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Snapdragon 800 a bit long in the tooth by now.

I was quite surprised to learn that the Tab S series of tablets ships with the aging Snapdragon 800. I find it's a bit out of place on a tablet where all other specs are top notch. The reviews I read specifically say the tabet can be sluggish at times when more CPU power is required.
I guess I hold out on my upgrade a bit longer then...

rodrigorajao said:
I was quite surprised to learn that the Tab S series of tablets ships with the aging Snapdragon 800. I find it's a bit out of place on a tablet where all other specs are top notch. The reviews I read specifically say the tabet can be sluggish at times when more CPU power is required.
I guess I hold out on my upgrade a bit longer then...
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Only the LTE versions come with the Snapdragon 800. Wi-fi gets the Exynos 5420.

how is the 5420 ?
I'm kind of disappointed the UK versions have the 5420 - I find my Snapdragon 800 in my Note 3 phone super quick
is the 5420 just as snappy ? Looks such a good screen on the 8.4 and 10.5 Tab S

Buckster76 said:
how is the 5420 ?
I'm kind of disappointed the UK versions have the 5420 - I find my Snapdragon 800 in my Note 3 phone super quick
is the 5420 just as snappy ? Looks such a good screen on the 8.4 and 10.5 Tab S
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Reviewers are saying the 5420 wi-fi versions are noticeably faster than the 800 in the LTE. I believe benchmarks show the same.

The 5420 is amazing. Uses all 8 cores at the same time if needed now. They fixed the memory dump issue found in the previous iteration as well.
The only thing I'm bummed about, is the 5433 ( coming out soon)destroys Snapdragon's 805 SoC .... In benchmarks. I wish that processor was in the new Samsung flagship device. Ugh.

According to all the reviews I have read the opposite is true and they are recommending the processor in
the LTE version as the faster of the two.
I have to run to work but quick google search..Engadget ( which I hate) has this to say..
"If it's any consolation, the as-yet-unreleased LTE models are supposed to use a Snapdragon 800 chip instead of the Exynos 5, so maybe performance will be snappier there."

Snapdragon seems to get the most development too.
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harsaphes said:
According to all the reviews I have read the opposite is true and they are recommending the processor in
the LTE version as the faster of the two.
I have to run to work but quick google search..Engadget ( which I hate) has this to say..
"If it's any consolation, the as-yet-unreleased LTE models are supposed to use a Snapdragon 800 chip instead of the Exynos 5, so maybe performance will be snappier there."
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Anandtech clearly said Samsung made a poor choice with Exynos. They should have gone 801 or 805.

oh well - and 16gb too for UK version - grrrr
still prob going to get one though
maybe it will handle streaming video better than the Snapdragon (well the implementation of it on the Note 3) - after lots of updates, I still can't get smooth streamed video on my Note 3 - youtube, netflix, Sky, Iplayer etc - yet download to phone first (latter 2) - or play local content and smooth as silk

There probably won't be a 32gb version. Samsung said there'd be a 32gb 8.4 pro and there never was.

I can confirm there are LTE versions with Exynos processor, at least mine is so, bought in Spain (10.5"). I could change it for a snapdragon version though, but I'm not sure if it is worth it.

arbiskar said:
I can confirm there are LTE versions with Exynos processor, at least mine is so, bought in Spain (10.5"). I could change it for a snapdragon version though, but I'm not sure if it is worth it.
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Thanks for your confirmation arbiskar.
It was rumoured the Tab S would be 5420 for WiFi, and 5420 + Intel LTE Modem for LTE models, that seems to coincide with the reports such as yours, that the LTE models is Exynos based only.
I doubt that Snapdragon based LTE models of the Tab S exist, if the LTE model you purchased is 5420, I'm going to assume they all will be...
Model numbers other than the T700, T705, T800 and T805 would need to exist for Snapdragon variants, so I don't believe we will see Qualcomm chips in any of the Tab S models.
Thanks.

Hi,
I ordered a LTE Tab S, in germany it will release on friday the 11 July. Before I ordered I thought all versions will have the Exynos 5 Octa and perhaps an optional LTE Modem. After my order I saw that the LTE version will be a QSD 800
Now you say thete will be LTE and Octa. Is it real? Do you know what version Samsung will sell in germay? I think I have to wait a few weeks before I get my tab S because I bought it with a LTE Contract and the Provider cant give me an info when they get the hardware from Samsung.
Now I don`t know if I should cancel the order and buy me a wifi version because the octa is better or will the QSD 800 ok too?

Svendrae said:
Hi,
I ordered a LTE Tab S, in germany it will release on friday the 11 July. Before I ordered I thought all versions will have the Exynos 5 Octa and perhaps an optional LTE Modem. After my order I saw that the LTE version will be a QSD 800
Now you say thete will be LTE and Octa. Is it real? Do you know what version Samsung will sell in germay? I think I have to wait a few weeks before I get my tab S because I bought it with a LTE Contract and the Provider cant give me an info when they get the hardware from Samsung.
Now I don`t know if I should cancel the order and buy me a wifi version because the octa is better or will the QSD 800 ok too?
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The sd800 is slightly better than the octacore, so I wouldn't worry.
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is it confirmed the LTE version in US is also Exynos processor instead of snapdragon 800? Thanks

rankman2004 said:
is it confirmed the LTE version in US is also Exynos processor instead of snapdragon 800? Thanks
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No. Lte is Snapdragon only. Samsung only announced today a new exynos processor with Lte for future products.
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simacca said:
No. Lte is Snapdragon only. Samsung only announced today a new exynos processor with Lte for future products.
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Apparently, some people here have the LTE version with Exynos, so I'm not so sure.
They announced a new Exynos processor with LTE integrated for future products, but that doesn't mean there isn't a LTE chip in addition to the Exynos SOC in the Tab S LTE versions.
It would be nice if someone could confirm.
I'm also waiting to see if there will be a 32GB.. and which version to get

Mithrandir007 said:
Apparently, some people here have the LTE version with Exynos, so I'm not so sure.
They announced a new Exynos processor with LTE integrated for future products, but that doesn't mean there isn't a LTE chip in addition to the Exynos SOC in the Tab S LTE versions.
It would be nice if someone could confirm.
I'm also waiting to see if there will be a 32GB.. and which version to get
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Would like to see some proof of that. Check out link below.
http://www.gsmarena.com/exynos_modap_is_first_samsung_chipset_with_integrated_lte-news-9006.php
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Apparently, some people here have the LTE version with Exynos, so I'm not so sure.
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Someone from Spain said s/he has an Exynos/LTE device. The Spain Samsung site also has the LTE version listed as Exynos.
The announcement yesterday was for a quad-core chip with integrated LTE, not the 5433 next-gen big.LITTLE chip everyone was expecting. Without knowing the GPU of the chip announced yesterday it's hard to say where in the fold it fits (high-end, low-end). There's nothing that's ever prevented Samsung from using Exynos with a stand-alone modem it's just that S-800 with its integrated modem is cheaper. Maybe that's what they're doing in Spain. That or it's a typo and the aforementioned owner "thinks" s/he has Exynos LTE. Everything I've read indicates the S' are using the same S-800/5420 architecture of all Samsung's previously released high-end tablets. So I'm going with typo until someone posts a CPU-Z (available in Play) read out which will say specifically what chip a device is using.
We know there are S-800 SM-T805's because reviewers have tested them. It would be extremely odd that Samsung would give the same model number (Spain's SM-T805 also) to two devices with totally different architectures. They never have before. At a minimum they'd append a letter to it (EG: the N10.1-14 LTE with 700MHz bands sold in Latin America is the "P-SM605M."
As for S-800 being long in tooth, it's not really. The CPU is more than adequate for the workload. Here's a slide from Qualcomm saying 85% of apps don't use two cores better yet four. And the majority of apps never leave the A7 core on 5420.
The challenge is the enormous amount of pixels being pushed on large QHD tablet displays. S-801 uses Adreno 330 just like S-800 so until some SoC with a more powerful GPU is released (released = shipped in a production product) Adreno/Mali is the best we've got and the differences between them performance wise aren't that significant (Mali's about 10% weaker than Adreno when maxed out).

New member here.
Received today my Tab S 8.4 LTE (SM-T705) sold here in Finland. And it is indeed an Exynos 5420.
I don't have a Micro-SIM card for it yet, but it certainly is the LTE version. Does someone know how to check the LTE chip version?
Took captures with CPU Z, but I can't apparently post outside links yet. See them here: pentsin.portaali.org/samsung/ along a photo of the box also claiming 1.9GHz Quad-Core + 1.3GHz Quad-Core.
BarryH_GEG said:
Someone from Spain said s/he has an Exynos/LTE device. The Spain Samsung site also has the LTE version listed as Exynos.
The announcement yesterday was for a quad-core chip with integrated LTE, not the 5433 next-gen big.LITTLE chip everyone was expecting. Without knowing the GPU of the chip announced yesterday it's hard to say where in the fold it fits (high-end, low-end). There's nothing that's ever prevented Samsung from using Exynos with a stand-alone modem it's just that S-800 with its integrated modem is cheaper. Maybe that's what they're doing in Spain. That or it's a typo and the aforementioned owner "thinks" s/he has Exynos LTE. Everything I've read indicates the S' are using the same S-800/5420 architecture of all Samsung's previously released high-end tablets. So I'm going with typo until someone posts a CPU-Z (available in Play) read out which will say specifically what chip a device is using.
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SM-N910C has Exynos chip as well as AT&T and T-Mobile LTE bands

After being disappointed with a locked bootloader on my AT&T Note 3, I decided to not make the same mistake again. With Android L coming out with 64bit CPU support and with 20nm die size it looks Exynos is the winner. Yes, Snapdragon was more popular before, but I'm pretty sure 64bit will be the hot topic with Note 4 development.
So what you came here to see. I found this wiki page detailing all the bands and processor information for different devices:
http://ko.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/삼성_갤럭시_노트_4
It shows bands 4 and 17 (among others). Now, that wasn't enough proof for me so I started searching some more and got the FCC data for N910C.
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=544347&fcc_id=A3LSMN910C
You can check out LTE Test Reports 1 and 2. It shows LTE bands 2, 4, 5, 17 on the first report. The second is just more technical data.
I didn't see anything about band 12. Sorry T-Mobile users.
If anybody finds any information about purchasing one, please share.

Many state the 910F is the most versatile worldwide (for LTE, etc.), but the 910C may also be on my radar if this is the case.
Just remember that the SD805 will be getting the most attention in terms of development since most owners out there will be having a Snapdragon device.

arjun90 said:
Many state the 910F is the most versatile worldwide (for LTE, etc.)
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According to the wiki page the F and C both support the same exact bands. The difference is the F is Qualcomm based technologies.

LTE on Exynos for AT&T in the US has been a sticking point for me, I will be following this thread with great interest, thanks.

Why don't just go for N910U ?

I haven't came across much info regarding the C model. However, if the C model is released in Europe that would be a plus for me. Besides Wiki and FCC, are there any official sources for the C-variant containing Exynos?
Also seems like the FCC weren't testing the official device at the time as the tests were conducting in early Summer. Um....
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According to the wiki page the F and C both support the same exact bands. The difference is the F is Qualcomm based technologies.
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Lodix said:
Why don't just go for N910U ?
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No support for band 17 (700mhz).
arjun90 said:
I haven't came across much info regarding the C model. However, if the C model is released in Europe that would be a plus for me. Besides Wiki and FCC, are there any official sources for the C-variant containing Exynos?
Also seems like the FCC weren't testing the official device at the time as the tests were conducting in early Summer. Um....
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It's prety well-known by benchmarking sites but
http://www.samsung.com/my/consumer/mobile-devices/smartphone/android-os/SM-N910CZIEXTE lists the CPU as Octo-core and has the Exynos clock speeds.
FCC test is fine. Samsung has an attestment saying it's the N910C. They can't just change the model. Hardware gets finalized earlier, and then the software is built around it.

You mention the Exynos for 64bit support later. But has it not already been confirmed the soc has 64bit disabled? It would not be able to run it? Source: anandtech.
Correct me if i'm wrong!

The FCC states tests were conducted on a pre-production unit with the 910C being the Base Model. I really do hope the 910C is an international LTE Unlocked Variant similar to the 910F; otherwise, the 910F would have to do.
The 910C contains the latest Wolfson DAC.
CLShortFuse said:
No support for band 4 (700mhz).
It's prety well-known by benchmarking sites but
http://www.samsung.com/my/consumer/mobile-devices/smartphone/android-os/SM-N910CZIEXTE lists the CPU as Octo-core and has the Exynos clock speeds.
FCC test is fine. Samsung has an attestment saying it's the N910C. They can't just change the model. Hardware gets finalized earlier, and then the software is built around it.
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You're right; Samsung intended the latest Exynos model to be half-baked with no support for the 64-bit architecture. The same applies to Dell's Venue 8 Pro Windows tablet, which contains a 64-bit CPU, but OS is strictly 32-bit. Petition anyone?
Hendrickson said:
You mention the Exynos for 64bit support later. But has it not already been confirmed the soc has 64bit disabled? It would not be able to run it? Source: anandtech.
Correct me if i'm wrong!
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CLShortFuse said:
No support for band 4 (700mhz).
It's prety well-known by benchmarking sites but
samsung.com/my/consumer/mobile-devices/smartphone/android-os/SM-N910CZIEXTE"]samsung.com/my/consumer/mobile-devices/smartphone/android-os/SM-N910CZIEXTE lists the CPU as Octo-core and has the Exynos clock speeds.
FCC test is fine. Samsung has an attestment saying it's the N910C. They can't just change the model. Hardware gets finalized earlier, and then the software is built around it.
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But I found this that says SM-N910U does support band 4. fccid.net/document.php?id=2381341#axzz3G8lJ0461 I'm so confused.

CLShortFuse said:
No support for band 4 (700mhz).
It's prety well-known by benchmarking sites but
http://www.samsung.com/my/consumer/mobile-devices/smartphone/android-os/SM-N910CZIEXTE lists the CPU as Octo-core and has the Exynos clock speeds.
FCC test is fine. Samsung has an attestment saying it's the N910C. They can't just change the model. Hardware gets finalized earlier, and then the software is built around it.
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It supports band 700.

Hendrickson said:
You mention the Exynos for 64bit support later. But has it not already been confirmed the soc has 64bit disabled? It would not be able to run it? Source: anandtech.
Correct me if i'm wrong!
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It's not disabled. The problem is native 64bit instructions (drivers) weren't written for it. It makes sense considering that Samsung would have to write a 64bit layer for Android. That's a whole lot of work. Google is already writing one for Android L, so if ever in the future, Samsung creates the 64 bit drivers for any device running the same chip, somebody can cook up a new kernel with it.
Right now, it's running in some downgraded 32bit layer. The "if" Anandtech is talking about is Samsung doesn't ever have to write those 64bit drivers. I'm willing to take that chance instead of the 0% possibility Snapdragon brings.

colster1000 said:
But I found this that says SM-N910U does support band 4. fccid.net/document.php?id=2381341#axzz3G8lJ0461 I'm so confused.
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Lodix said:
It supports band 700.
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Sorry. I mixed up the numbers. U/F/C/G support band 4 (1700mhz). Only the F/C support band 17 (700mhz). C runs Exynos while F runs Snapdragon.

CLShortFuse said:
It's not disabled. The problem is native 64bit instructions (drivers) weren't written for it. It makes sense considering that Samsung would have to write a 64bit layer for Android. That's a whole lot of work. Google is already writing one for Android L, so if ever in the future, Samsung creates the 64 bit drivers for any device running the same chip, somebody can cook up a new kernel with it.
Right now, it's running in some downgraded 32bit layer. The "if" Anandtech is talking about is Samsung doesn't ever have to write those 64bit drivers. I'm willing to take that chance instead of the 0% possibility Snapdragon brings.
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well you are right and plus you are still getting a 20%ish faster processor even if it stays as 32bit. even snapdragon 810 will be same chipset with probably better gpu and and higher clock speed and 64 bit enabled for sure.
only problem is does it realy support at&t lte? yes it connects for sure (some reviewers using it in youtube) but it is maybe struggling with battery cuz it doesnt fully support us lte standarts. other people reported good battery life on exynos but some reviewers in us said battery isnt good.
so you just need to be sure about it otherwise exynos seems realy better except custom rom support but as far as i can see touchwiz is running best of its time and realy good in general usage and as a note owner i assume no1 will want cm on it. root and xposed will be more than enough. atleast its my opinion.

Samsung Malaysia will release the SM-910C model this 17th Oct....initially I was going to wait for the 910F variant from europe or middle east..due to lte bands i needed most. Thanks to this thread I can now go home and do some shopping...thanks
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CLShortFuse said:
Sorry. I mixed up the numbers. U/F/C/G support band 4 (1700mhz). Only the F/C support band 17 (700mhz). C runs Exynos while F runs Snapdragon.
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It says it supports band 700 but in B28, I guess it is not the same.

tmac31 said:
well you are right and plus you are still getting a 20%ish faster processor even if it stays as 32bit. even snapdragon 810 will be same chipset with probably better gpu and and higher clock speed and 64 bit enabled for sure.
only problem is does it realy support at&t lte? yes it connects for sure (some reviewers using it in youtube) but it is maybe struggling with battery cuz it doesnt fully support us lte standarts. other people reported good battery life on exynos but some reviewers in us said battery isnt good.
so you just need to be sure about it otherwise exynos seems realy better except custom rom support but as far as i can see touchwiz is running best of its time and realy good in general usage and as a note owner i assume no1 will want cm on it. root and xposed will be more than enough. atleast its my opinion.
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All of the benchmarks say the Exynos has better battery, but I will admit a lot of tests are inconsistent. As for support, I've had this dumb, locked Note 3 for too long and I can accept less custom ROMs. I honestly think people would be excited to make custom 64bit ROM and I'm hoping on it.
As for the AT&T bands, I'm going to trust the FCC data and that ridiculously detailed Korean wiki site.
In fact, I just bought one on eBay for $899. It ships from Malaysia so I'll get it in a few weeks. I'll keep you guys updated when I do.

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All of the benchmarks say the Exynos has better battery, but I will admit a lot of tests are inconsistent. As for support, I've had this dumb, locked Note 3 for too long and I can accept less custom ROMs. I honestly think people would be excited to make custom 64bit ROM and I'm hoping on it.
As for the AT&T bands, I'm going to trust the FCC data and that ridiculously detailed Korean wiki site.
In fact, I just bought one on eBay for $899. It ships from Malaysia so I'll get it in a few weeks. I'll keep you guys updated when I do.
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And don't forget, general message to all: Andrei has a campaign (below) to get him a -C Exynos to develop Perseus. If Perseus has worked as well for you as it has for me in the past, please consider donating, and we'll get Perseus going for Note 4 Exynos as well.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/note-4-exynos-development-device/x/8868000

Don't all the Exynos ones have the Wolfson DAC?
Sure your right the 20nm CPU should be easier on the batter and the Wolfson DAC is slightly better I think. I'm looking at an SM-910U from Hong Kong.

arjun90 said:
Many state the 910F is the most versatile worldwide (for LTE, etc.), but the 910C may also be on my radar if this is the case.
Just remember that the SD805 will be getting the most attention in terms of development since most owners out there will be having a Snapdragon device.
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Custom ROMs are just repackaged stock ROMS nowadays with minor changes here and there, anything you really want to do to it from a modification standpoint can be done with Xposed. Kernel development is where it is at, and frankly, there isn't a single kernel in Snapdragon land that comes close to touching Perseus for Exynos.

Samsung galaxy s10 has dual gps, someone tested gps accuracy?

Possible from samsung galaxy s10 exynos
also has dual gps.
GPS with aGPS, GLONASS, BeiDou,QZSS,Galileo, Dual-frequency GNSS
https://www.yugatech.com/mobile/sams...ats-different/

Anybody see the Snapdragon GPS specs yet? Hopefully dual-frequency with BCM47755 (or something else in that family that supports dual freqs...not sure if it was ever positively determines if all the chips in the family support dual frequency or not)...
AND, if so, hopefully it's enabled in the code!!!!

The Exynos GPS chip for the S10 has been discovered.... the same Broadcom BCM47752 that was in the S9. There is still no definitive info (that I know of, anyway) that tells whether the 47752 received dual band L1/L5 signals like the 47755. The Broadcom spec is ambiguous- the 4775x family paper talks about the 47755 and the 47758 having L1/L2, but has no such blurbs about the 47752/47754. In fact, it has no blurbs on them at all. Attempts to enable lane-level L1/L5 accuracy in the S9 have also not been successful as far as I am aware.
Of course this is NOT the Snapdragon spec I'm seeking- hopefully that will come in the next few days as US customers started to received their pre-orders.

Snapdragon Galaxy S10
I have received my Snapdragon Galaxy S10 and have installed GPS Test on it and only see L1 frequencies being used

djg8544 said:
I have received my Snapdragon Galaxy S10 and have installed GPS Test on it and only see L1 frequencies being used
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Version with snapdragon 855 in hong kong
it shows l5 or has dual gps.
In turn, huawei mate 20 / mate 20 pro
also has dual gps.
Only in applications you can not see l5.
And what's strange in gps 20 tests
represents great as the best
smartphone gps.
It shows the signal where other smartphones are
have a problem.
As if. not fully. he had a dual gps.
But it detects. faster. satellite. than other phones.
By comparison to professional devices, this is a top scorer.
It follows from mate 20 in some way
uses dual gps despite the applications
they do not show l5.

US?
Are you in the US and what carrier? BTW do you see Galileo satellites?
djg8544 said:
I have received my Snapdragon Galaxy S10 and have installed GPS Test on it and only see L1 frequencies being used
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S10 GPS
BillBelvin said:
Are you in the US and what carrier? BTW do you see Galileo satellites?
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I use ATT and I do see Galileo satellites using E1 frequency through GPS Test
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I use ATT and I do see Galileo satellites using E1 frequency through GPS Test
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I am located in DFW area here is a screenshot of GPS Test
https://imgur.com/vPBb6A7

Anybody else could understand which version of s10 can receive dual frequency GPS?
Thx

In what appears to be a reversal of expectations, the SnapDragon S10 (at least the Hong Kong Version- I would expect the U.S. and other SnapDragon devices to be the same) IS receiving L1 and L5 signals!! Nobody has tested accuracy in any app yet (as far as I know) to see if we are at the promised 30cm granularity. The Exynos version hasn't show L5 yet, based on the sample size of 1.
The author of the GPSTEST app has a great write up on all of this and keeps it updated as users supply their testing results. I highly recommend you check it out (and run GPSTEST and send him the results if you have an S10!)
https://medium.com/@sjbarbeau/dual-frequency-gnss-on-android-devices-152b8826e1c

[email protected] said:
In what appears to be a reversal of expectations, the SnapDragon S10 (at least the Hong Kong Version- I would expect the U.S. and other SnapDragon devices to be the same) IS receiving L1 and L5 signals!! Nobody has tested accuracy in any app yet (as far as I know) to see if we are at the promised 30cm granularity. The Exynos version hasn't show L5 yet, based on the sample size of 1.
The author of the GPSTEST app has a great write up on all of this and keeps it updated as users supply their testing results. I highly recommend you check it out (and run GPSTEST and send him the results if you have an S10!)
https://medium.com/@sjbarbeau/dual-frequency-gnss-on-android-devices-152b8826e1c
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Thanks, I don't have s10, yet. I'm waiting and searching to choose which version to buy, and double frq gnss is one of the most important spec I'm looking for...

mains75 said:
Thanks, I don't have s10, yet. I'm waiting and searching to choose which version to buy, and double frq gnss is one of the most important spec I'm looking for...
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you want to pay 1000$ for model S10, just to see on the screen with GPSTest app the font charters of L1 or L5? Something else maybe ?

No, I want to pay for dual freq GPS implemented in the apps that give ~30cm accuracy.

[email protected] said:
No, I want to pay for dual freq GPS implemented in the apps that give ~30cm accuracy.
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now we can talk ...
into the smartphone market, there are for now, 3 chips to support dual band GNSS.
- Broadcom 47755
- Kirin 980
- Snapdragon 855
all we have proofs, using app like GPSTest for dual band support, but ... no measurements for cm accuracy from customers - users
USA Navstar (GPS) satellites with L5 freq. is under development until 2022. Only the L2 freq. is working a lot of years ago. So, if anyone want "cm accuracy" , can not rely on devices with L5 singals for now. Into the new future I believe everything will OK.
something else. Do you have hear about "Galileo 1 meter accuracy" ??? Is there any evidence about that also?
My opinion is "don't buy products before there are real measurements" from review sites or youtube channels. Unless, you have the spare money to do this job for the rest of us.

lneam said:
you want to pay 1000$ for model S10, just to see on the screen with GPSTest app the font charters of L1 or L5? Something else maybe ?
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Of course I want double freq to have Gps fix and good accuracy not just to say I have it... I'm not stupid...

P30 and P30 pro has dual gps,

S10e 9700 has dual gps.

NisseGurra said:
S10e 9700 has dual gps.
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Yes, currently the China versions of the S10 are the only ones proven to have dual GPS reception. I reckon it's just a firmware/software thing and hopefully Sammy will roll this out to the S10 units in the rest of the world.

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Yes, currently the China versions of the S10 are the only ones proven to have dual GPS reception. I reckon it's just a firmware/software thing and hopefully Sammy will roll this out to the S10 units in the rest of the world.
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I think the dual gps is an snapdragon 855 feature, so enyxos user will be out of luck tho.

I think that the snapdragon 855 has only dual gps.
In the softy, the Chinese market is now
I think you just need to root your s10
and copy the gps xml file from the Chinese market soft.
This option is only for s10 with snapdragon 855,
Exynos is not really dual gps,
just like it was from s9.

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I think the dual gps is an snapdragon 855 feature, so enyxos user will be out of luck tho.
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China/HK uses the SnapDragon 855. The Exynos models has an external GNSS chip- Broadcom 47752. It is still undetermined if that chip does dual frequency, although others in the 4775x family do.
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kriss3 said:
I think that the snapdragon 855 has only dual gps.
In the softy, the Chinese market is now
I think you just need to root your s10
and copy the gps xml file from the Chinese market soft.
This option is only for s10 with snapdragon 855,
Exynos is not really dual gps,
just like it was from s9.
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I won't be the first to try it , but if other root an S10 and can get dual freq GNSS to work (and find that apps actually achieve the 30cm resolution) then I'll give it a try!

VoNR on x55 modem

Hi everyone, any idea if x55 modems or Asus Rog 3 is capable of VoNR. I work for a telco operator and we are planning to move towards SA. I would like to try new feature and do my own testing for learning purposes.

gunnerbilal said:
Hi everyone, any idea if x55 modems or Asus Rog 3 is capable of VoNR. I work for a telco operator and we are planning to move towards SA. I would like to try new feature and do my own testing for learning purposes.
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I highly doubt it.

bs3pro said:
I highly doubt it.
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But even mediatek's dimensity 800 is capable of VoNR.

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But even mediatek's dimensity 800 is capable of VoNR.
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Asus barely cares about volte, don't get your hopes up.

Qualcomm will support VoNR with the next generation X60 modem arriving in 2021. Source

May or may not
You can read this article by prnewswire (Google "VoNR X55") and here you can see that Oneplus R&D has completed first VoNR call and ViNR call with x55 modem in Oneplus 8
And it's under evaluation by some sites

5G vs 4G snapdragon

Is there any difference between the snapdragon 4g only version of the phone compared to the 5g version? Other than the 5g connectivity obviously.
Want to buy the phone but don't have the 5g version available in my country, only 4g exynos and snapdragon. There will also be no 5g coverage any time soon here so that's not an important factor.
Thanks all for any replies.

The 5G chipset(s) can suck battery. The 4G chipset(s) may be better integrated and likely more efficient.
Even were 5G is available so far its performance isn't that much faster (+20%) in most cases.
I would go with the better device/hardware and not worry about 5G especially on the early crossover phones where it tends to be a disaster.
I'm looking at getting a 2nd Note 10+ 4G Snapdragon... that's how important I think 5G and how disappointing the Samsung flagships since the 10+ have been.

blackhawk said:
The 5G chipset(s) can suck battery. The 4G chipset(s) may be better integrated and likely more efficient.
Even were 5G is available so far its performance isn't that much faster (+20%) in most cases.
I would go with the better device/hardware and not worry about 5G especially on the early crossover phones where it tends to be a disaster.
I'm looking at getting a 2nd Note 10+ 4G Snapdragon... that's how important I think 5G and how disappointing the Samsung flagships since the 10+ have been.
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Having 5g is the least of my priorities on a phone. I was more interested in knowing if there are any other hardware changes between them, or if one version could potentially have better software support.

Petrit Ziu said:
Having 5g is the least of my priorities on a phone. I was more interested in knowing if there are any other hardware changes between them, or if one version could potentially have better software support.
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Pie is still my preferred weapon, no cpu cycle robbing scoped storage.
A used Samsung in excellent condition running on Pie be good. My Note 10+ current load is over a year old, still fast and stable. I can tell you the Note 10+ 512gb Snapdragon variant is a fast running rock solid stable platform. It's fun to use. Once optimized, zero issues.
The biggest change and question is how the 5G is implemented. Is it integrated into the main chipset or does it have its own chipset (which will likely eat more battery). Can you completely turn off 5G? Tear downs may yield clues.
It a long research project and a pain. Make sure the review is about the chipset you want and not it's evil twin. I think Samsung deliberately uses 2 chipsets per model and plays off the better chipsets reviews. They've been doing this for many years. Reviewers even carriers get the specs mixed up. Fun times

they should be identical with the exception of the 4G not having a modem added on in an inefficient way.
that said it sounds like the 4G version needs a few firmware updates from Samsung to hit it's stride.

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they should be identical with the exception of the 4G not having a modem added on in an inefficient way.
that said it sounds like the 4G version needs a few firmware updates from Samsung to hit it's stride.
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4G is the primary bandwidth, right?
5G is the tack on because it can't be relied on as a primary bandwidth.
I haven't been looking at the hardware architecture on the newer phones.
I'm not getting a 5G phone to avoid these conflicts. Android has too many battery hogs already.

the SD 865 was designed before 5G phones rolled out. it doesn't have an integrated 5G modem so it's not that good at handovers etc. some people mentioned their batteries taking a hit using 5G.

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the SD 865 was designed before 5G phones rolled out. it doesn't have an integrated 5G modem so it's not that good at handovers etc. some people mentioned their batteries taking a hit using 5G.
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I thinks that's probably true.
Having the phone flip flopping between 4 and 5G vs just 4G probably isn't good for battery life in the latest generation.
I'm still not sold on 5G. Wonder if that's a 5G enabled cell tower I'm looking at

when coverage is complete and phones are on a 2nd or 3rd generation with it, it'll probably be way better.

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when coverage is complete and phones are on a 2nd or 3rd generation with it, it'll probably be way better.
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5G may never replace 4G except in urban centers. 5G lacks range.
There are many placeswhere even a 4 G signal is climb on a hill and hope iffy.
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well they're killing off 2 and 3G so they'll need to pull their fingers out.

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well they're killing off 2 and 3G so they'll need to pull their fingers out.
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Heartache to those with ancient devices but those where just plain doggy bandwidths

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the SD 865 was designed before 5G phones rolled out. it doesn't have an integrated 5G modem so it's not that good at handovers etc. some people mentioned their batteries taking a hit using 5G.
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Are you sure 865 don't have 5G modem? Specs shows otherwise: https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon-865-5g-mobile-platform
AFAIK Sony has to disable 5G from chipset in Xperia 5II(XQ-AS62) in US for it to make it non 5G phone.

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Are you sure 865 don't have 5G modem? Specs shows otherwise: https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon-865-5g-mobile-platform
AFAIK Sony has to disable 5G from chipset in Xperia 5II(XQ-AS62) in US for it to make it non 5G phone.
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integrated... the phone has a 5G modem but it's an add-on chip, it's not part of the 865 SoC like with 4G etc

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integrated... the phone has a 5G modem but it's an add-on chip, it's not part of the 865 SoC like with 4G etc
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Specs clearly show it has Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ X55 5G Modem-RF system. Where it is mentioned that it's separate add on chip? Integrated means onboard, right?

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Specs clearly show it has Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ X55 5G Modem-RF system. Where it is mentioned that it's separate add on chip? Integrated means onboard, right?
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Why there's no integrated 5G modem in the Snapdragon 865
The Snapdragon 865 is missing an integrated 5G modem, a feature offered by Qualcomm's SoC rivals. Here's the explanation and what it means.
www.androidauthority.com
I was wrong in thinking it was a 5g modem exclusively but...

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Why there's no integrated 5G modem in the Snapdragon 865
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Hmm... The article itself starts with 865 not having integrated 5G modem and then mentions that instead of internal it has external 5G modem X55. Then it mentions that it's a dual mode modem with 4G and 5G supports.
Conflicting information on Android Authority if I look at Qualcomm's specs sheet.
I still think that it has onboard 5G X55 modem which is external(not add-on) instead of integrated(internal).
That's why Sony had to disable it's 5G mode before launching Xperia 5II in US(delayed launch only in US).
Edit: Read through some articles and looks like X55 is external to 865 but is part of bundle and although manufacturers can replace it with other modem if they need, I don't think anyone has done this. This explains why Sony delayed Xperia 5 II in US as they had to disable 5G in XQ-AS62.

Biggest issue with 5G implementation aside is it's range limits and need for better line of sight than 4G. Can't change physics.
A stable transmission range is more important than huge bandwidth.