I'm considering buying this phone if the developers build roms and other custom stuff for it.
Will there likely be a good amount of development done for this phone? There isn't much now... Is that just because it's so new? Or will the pixel 5 have much more attention?
I've been reading the Pixel 4a threads and some things on reddit to see if developers are planning on making their Roms available for the 5G version and apparently they are. I'm specifically waiting for Resurrection Remix as they say it is excellent on the Pixel 4a, from what I read they will be working on it. One of the issues they're ironing out is going from Android 10 to Android 11. I wish I had the knowledge to do it myself, I'd be working on that and creating a custom recovery right now, I just don't have the skills to do it.
I suspect that there would be a good bit more involvement in the near future considering the recent sales of the 4A 5G.
I figure there will be the normal amount if not more with it being a fairly affordable 5G phone. The ROMs will come, they always do, but patience is needed as it does take some time.
I think Bramble is wonderful device with great potential for custom roms, we need to wait. Fingers crossed for GrapheneOS support.
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The 1+3 dev forum lists nearly 50 ROMs.
Is there a general sense how many of them are planning on adding support for the 3T?
Do you think we can expect a similar breadth of ROMs for the 3T, since (I'm reading that) the devices are not compatible?
Thanks.
(I noticed that the Axon 7, which has been out for about as long as the 1+3, has many fewer ROMs.)
No one really knows. Seems unlikely to have nearly as many roms as the OP3 because it's a different processor and the device trees are a mess according to several developers. They would have to start from scratch or close to it and put in a lot of work to maintain their work on both devices. Many developers already have OP3's and do not want to buy another device. OnePlus has said they have some sort of surprise for developers in the pipeline but no one really knows yet what that will be. Time will tell.
I've been using custom roms since 2009 on windows mobile and for the first time ever, I'm actually quite happy staying stock. I haven't even unlocked the bootloader or rooted yet. Really depends on what you want out of the phone. Hope this helps.
I wouldn't expect the same amount of support, but I also wouldn't really expect it to be dry either. The 3T seems like it is going to be a fairly popular phone (at least within enthusiasts), and with that comes a developer community 99% of the time.
I think it will also depend a lot on when the OnePlus 4 (or whatever the next device is called) is released. If the 3T is only their flagship for a few months, similar to the 3, I would expect a pretty big drop-off in ROM support.
By the amount of sales and interest in this phone and the timing near the holidays I say we will see more developers and development from a wide range of newcomers to developers getting an upgrade.
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So it looks things are slowly moving , and we are able to unlock bootloader and root our devices.
User @auras76 was kind enough to bring as the first ROM available, but I guess I am not the only one looking forward to get rid of EMUI and its poor customisation layer
I hope once firm .173 hits general release we start getting more dev interest, but the goal of this thread is to find out if any dev could be potentially interested (or already planning) to work on a non-EMUI ROM
I can imagine a bounty could be organised for users to support financially this action.
What are everyone's thoughts on this?
Doubt you will see much development of any major Rom's if there is not a free way to unlock your bootloader as there just won't be that many unlocked devices
I am fully aware of that, however let´s hope that changes if/when .171 FW is generally available and allows bootloader unlock.
I just wanted to check if there would be a way to attract some devs here, even by supporting their work (purchasing a device? 10$ per person???)
If you like custom ROMs so much buy a One Plus phone. Lots of custom ROMs and every custom ROM has bugs. There is no build of any custom ROM that doesn't have bugs and sometimes the bugs on "stable" versions of custom ROMs are so serious they impact the basic functionality of the phone.
If you think I'm exaggerating pick a custom ROM for the OP5, 5T, OP6 or 6T and look at the last several pages of user posts.
They will be users reporting bugs-often very serious ones.
If you pick an OP5 or 5T ROM many will no longer be in development. The last several pages before the ROM was abandoned will be users still reporting bugs that will never get fixed.
And that is on phones that are supposedly very development friendly.
The days of custom ROMs that improve a phone's functionality, speed and stability over the stock ROM died with Nexus phones but if you want to run a custom ROM anyway buying this phone makes pretty much no sense because Huawei is not developer friendly. They don't want owners of Huawei phones to unlock their bootloaders or run custom ROMs on Huawei devices. The same is true for Xiaomi and Samsung phones.
For that matter Google, the company behind Nexus phones which were the most developed friendly phones anyone could buy no longer wants people to use custom ROMs which is why they came up with the ROM certification program and safety net.
Apps that help phone owners bypass safety net are automatically banned from the Play Store. Whatever method Magisk uses to bypass Safety Net gets plugged by Google forcing the developer to come up with a new method that will stop working when it also gets plugged by Google.
The developer behind SuperSu said the writing was on the wall for original Android development several years ago and he knew what he was talking about.
Well, I thought XDA was exactly the place where people "like custom ROMS" and tinker with their phones.
I am coming exactly from OP phone so I know how scene works there.
OP phones are dev-friendly but not many people try different ROMs as Oxygen is probably the smoothest implementation layer of all manufacturers, so there is no need other to change other than fun.
But we are not talking about OP but Huawei here, which is the opposite case. Lousy software implementation, from battery management (see the Powergenie issues threads), to Huawei bloatware, notification handling, little customisation allowed.... So Huawei is not like OP but more like Xiaomi, heavily (not for good) customised Android version. And there might be not many OP ROMS, but check in Xiaomi land... many super stable versions that improve almost any Xiaomi device with AOSP or LOS versions.
As I said, maybe all it takes is to support a dev with a device for ROM release... I know I wouldn't be the only one looking forward to this.
Alright let's clear up what XDA is about.
It's a hub for developers. It's not a hub for people coming in with no knowledge demanding/posting hundreds of threads asking for ROMs for a device which is bootloader locked in most cases. Attitude like this steers developers away from devices because of noob communities. Look at the Samsung community on XDA.
Huwaei is still an infant when it comes to Android so they are learning the ins and outs of what works and what doesn't. Give em a break. They produce amazing devices with amazing technology. Just because it's locked doesn't mean you have to get your nickers in a twist because no one wants to develop for a new company on the Android scene. Give it some time. Maybe someone will come along and get the ball rolling for everyone and find a nice little backdoor in the bootloader and make it possible for everyone. Till then don't hold your breath and stamp your feet. Do your research before you flog out a grand on a device that might not have unofficial development for.
I really hope we can open this device up for more development, what could we do with unbridled access to the NPU, 3 rear cameras and the front 3d point cloud camera array
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If you like custom ROMs so much buy a One Plus phone. Lots of custom ROMs and every custom ROM has bugs. There is no build of any custom ROM that doesn't have bugs and sometimes the bugs on "stable" versions of custom ROMs are so serious they impact the basic functionality of the phone. .
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Had to pop in here to tell you you're completely wrong on that one.
Off the top of my head. No limits xXx for the OnePlus 5, not a single bug.
From Oreo 8.1 anyway.
A lot for devices have ROMs which surpass stock in more ways than one and have zero bugs
Further to my point and @ the OP.
The p20 pro has only seen ROMs because of the last few users / developers who have committed to Huawei/Honor devices and the fact that Honor view 10 ROMs work on the pro, in light of the changes made by Huawei IE: bootloader lock down, you will not see a lot of ROMs at all for your device in fact anyone who wants to root / flash / unlock their phones should not touch Huawei or Honor ever again, maybe (and that's a big maybe) the greedy pair of OEMs will see sense. But I doubt it.
Advice in short, dont buy their phones, I certainly won't ever again. They don't deserve it after what they've done.
I have an old mi note 5 pro which I gave to my girlfriend and that phone already has many stable android 10 ROMs, along with havoc and pixel experience, and it didn't even get an official android 10 update.
This phone has official android 10 from xiaomi but there aren't any aosp based ROMs on it. All the major ones have been abandoned and there aren't too many in general anyway. Why is that happening? Is it specifically hard to make ROMs for this phone?
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I have an old mi note 5 pro which I gave to my girlfriend and that phone already has many stable android 10 ROMs, along with havoc and pixel experience, and it didn't even get an official android 10 update.
This phone has official android 10 from xiaomi but there aren't any aosp based ROMs on it. All the major ones have been abandoned and there aren't too many in general anyway. Why is that happening? Is it specifically hard to make ROMs for this phone?
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what do you mean by dev support so bad?iff you can question dev like this "quote" (Is it specifically hard to make ROMs for this phone)..why dont you try to make one?dont throw stupid question on this forum..to make a custom rom first you need free time..second need a team to develop 1 rom..third you not getting paid for what you did (yes you can put your donation link in the post but not all user will donate to you..dumn kiddo
Basically stick with MIUI if you want a functional phone with updates for like 2 years. Then you can rely on 3rd party developers. But then again software for your device is not guaranteed. Or better should had bought OnePlus 7/t/pro instead. Xiaomi has a very bad record of updating their device. It's called planned obsolescence. It's better if you learn how to make ROMs if you want to keep your device updated. You can't trust and rely on anyone these days.
Cheaper devices which have lost support tend to get better dev support.
I'd imagine more android 10 roms when the official kernel sources for it are released. If it were never to get Android 10, then devs may see it worthwhile to backport kernels.
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I have an old mi note 5 pro which I gave to my girlfriend and that phone already has many stable android 10 ROMs, along with havoc and pixel experience, and it didn't even get an official android 10 update.
This phone has official android 10 from xiaomi but there aren't any aosp based ROMs on it. All the major ones have been abandoned and there aren't too many in general anyway. Why is that happening? Is it specifically hard to make ROMs for this phone?
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Because you haven't out baked any ROMs.
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Let's not act like the folks at the MI forums and discuss it rationally instead of lashing out at OP.
My guess is that K20 series is rather new series and has lower salse than extremely successful devices like Note 5 pro. So it has smaller dev base and availability of raw materials yet.
Instead of giving cliche answers like "developers have life too", "why don't you make rom yourself".
Why can't we discuss lack of Android 10 roms for our device? OP asked the right question.
As far as I know, we don't have stable device tree for Q. Xiaomi doesn't release device trees. Abhishek(dev of LineageOS 10) has a working device tree but he wants to make it stable and then release the sources. Once he releases that i think then we will get more Q based custom roms.
Yeah It is not worthy changing to custom rom. Better stay on stock atm
Because it's still a rather new phone, atleast the global one. Custom ROMs in general seem to be dying, probably because official ROMs are getting better and better compared to the times when i had my HTC HD2.
I don't know why everyone is so butthurt about this post, I'm legitimately curious why this is happening. I'm not bashing the devs at all, maybe 10 year old children that can't even comprehend a text should stick to their telegram groups.
Thanks to everyone who posted something actually useful, it seems the official device tree hasn't been released it, hopefully xiaomi will take care of this soon.
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I don't know why everyone is so butthurt about this post, I'm legitimately curious why this is happening. I'm not bashing the devs at all, maybe 10 year old children that can't even comprehend a text should stick to their telegram groups.
Thanks to everyone who posted something actually useful, it seems the official device tree hasn't been released it, hopefully xiaomi will take care of this soon.
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At the moment there is a bit of inactivity whilst many devs are waiting for android 10 sources to be released by Xiaomi. I'm guessing most devs don't want to waste time working on fixing Pie ROMs when they know everyone will abandon them once stable 10 ROMs arrive.
Give it a month or so and you'll see done movement again.
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At the moment there is a bit of inactivity whilst many devs are waiting for android 10 sources to be released by Xiaomi. I'm guessing most devs don't want to waste time working on fixing Pie ROMs when they know everyone will abandon them once stable 10 ROMs arrive.
Give it a month or so and you'll see done movement again.
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Good point, I haven't considered that. This phone is very popular and I was really curious why there are so few custom ROMs, maybe we will get more goodies on android 10.
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I don't know why everyone is so butthurt about this post, I'm legitimately curious why this is happening. I'm not bashing the devs at all, maybe 10 year old children that can't even comprehend a text should stick to their telegram groups.
Thanks to everyone who posted something actually useful, it seems the official device tree hasn't been released it, hopefully xiaomi will take care of this soon.
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because you too stupid too make comparerison with your stupid redmi note 5 over 2019 k20 pro/Mi 9T pro device dumb ass..they way you said (dev support so bad) make you look so stupid..thats all..and 1 more thing..you can say dev support so slow..not dev support so bad since they not work for you kiddo..
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because you too stupid too make comparerison with your stupid redmi note 5 over 2019 k20 pro/Mi 9T pro device dumb ass..they way you said (dev support so bad) make you look so stupid..thats all..and 1 more thing..you can say dev support so slow..not dev support so bad since they not work for you kiddo..
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Really don't need this kind of rage, take it easy. I believe op was just asking. Just a curiosity... Despite your concerns about the words he used to start the talk. I believe it is pretty easy to understand he was not demanding anything from the good guys, the devs, or even trying to complaining about it.
Seems that there's no way to have a civilized conversation about it without getting someone any hassle, saying "why don't you develop? Douchebag".... Not first time I saw this. Weird thing indeed...
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This conversation is going nowhere productive.... They rarely do.
Remember, everyone posts their work for free, if you do not like their work, I suggest you make your own ROM and show us your skills .......... Which likely, are non-existent with the exception of running your mouth.
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I don't have any problems with the device, just that I am used to modding my devices and Samsung has made it very unappealing to root/unlock their phones. So if I trade this device, which is still under warranty, will it be a good deal?
that's gotta be entirely your decision as you've got to live with it. Oneplus 9 might've fixed some of it's heat issues or the community might've solved it, but look into that first. don't know much about the Xiaomi other than you need custom firmware because the stock one isn't good and the cameras aren't bad.
I'm currently running Lineage 19 GSI with a modified quick settings pull down, I'm rooted and have TWRP. the only thing I'm missing that I want is v4a and I could submit logs to get that fixed if I wanted. Samsung phones have had Knox for nearly a decade now, accepting Knox's demise going in is standard for Samsung modders. this phone is a rare chance to a Samsung with a snapdragon that can be rooted/modded for many people. custom roms are being worked on but both devs are new to Samsung and really struggling with a final major bug. if they overcome the problem custom roms will start to come thru with greater ease.
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that's gotta be entirely your decision as you've got to live with it. Oneplus 9 might've fixed some of it's heat issues or the community might've solved it, but look into that first. don't know much about the Xiaomi other than you need custom firmware because the stock one isn't good and the cameras aren't bad.
I'm currently running Lineage 19 GSI with a modified quick settings pull down, I'm rooted and have TWRP. the only thing I'm missing that I want is v4a and I could submit logs to get that fixed if I wanted. Samsung phones have had Knox for nearly a decade now, accepting Knox's demise going in is standard for Samsung modders. this phone is a rare chance to a Samsung with a snapdragon that can be rooted/modded for many people. custom roms are being worked on but both devs are new to Samsung and really struggling with a final major bug. if they overcome the problem custom roms will start to come thru with greater ease.
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Well that last line gives me hope.
well the truth is the two guys working on roms have been struggling with getting the SIM cards to be recognised for months, to the point of needing to walk away for their sanity. the projects may resume or might not. there are one or two other devs with this phone who've said they'll be waiting until all the official updates are finished releasing. again there, no guarantee they'll even still have the phone by that time.
most guys are using GSI roms for now, they're OK but a full custom rom would be better.
If you like custom roms and development related fun with your device, you should go with xiaomi, xiaomi devices has better developement range and easy way to play with it, but oneplus hasn't as i also own 9rt and i am not a big fan of google dialer and because of only dialer i want to change rom to chinese( as 9rt has only chinese rom and chinese rom might have oneplus dialer ) and i am unable to find a proper thread or guide to get familier with oneplus phone - unlocking bootloader, flashing rom and vice versa. but in same case with xiaomi its easier and lots of videos on youtube too to get it done.
but mi 11 x pro has not a lot of custom roms, instead of this mi 11x has a wide range and you should try this
But one thing keep in mind among all devices you said and includes mi 11x samsnug s20 fe is best as i used all of this devcices and currently i am on 9rt samsung is good with stock rom you do not need to flash any custom rom.
mi 11x has best performance according to price but worst camera, mi 11x pro good phone but so so camera, 9rt is good in 3 of this but no wide range of custom developement.
Hey guys! Swapped from a oneplus 8 pro. I forgot how much I hate oxygen OS...Love the devices but oxygen OS is just ehhhhh. I had been running custom AOSP ROM for the longest time. How long until these devices generally get custom ROM? Pixel experience or lineage would be sweeeeeeet.
Also whats up with the lack of MEMC?? That was the best part of stock oneplus 8. Pretty sure the 9 had it as well. Am I just missing it or is it gone?
It depends upon many factors like which ROM you are flashing, It's Size, Recovery, Device Configuration etc. I flashed MIUI 6 in my old HTC Desire 616 and it took approx 10 to 15 minutes to flash and boot, First boot after flashing a room usually takes time so keep patience.
I guess upon previous phones that it might take around 3 months to get first initial custom ROM builds.
Morrob95 said:
Hey guys! Swapped from a oneplus 8 pro. I forgot how much I hate oxygen OS...Love the devices but oxygen OS is just ehhhhh. I had been running custom AOSP ROM for the longest time. How long until these devices generally get custom ROM? Pixel experience or lineage would be sweeeeeeet.
Also whats up with the lack of MEMC?? That was the best part of stock oneplus 8. Pretty sure the 9 had it as well. Am I just missing it or is it gone?
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Depends on the phone mate, some have them made before the phone releases.
Evo X has a placeholder for a ROM on the 10 which I'm praying is remotely close to what we had on the 8 pro.
I'm sure lineage will make its way and probably some Magisk ROMs.
Point is it has to happen..it's one of the best phones in the world at the moment but it has a crap OS, so yea I'd say well get some ROMs, hopefully the right ones like Evo.
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Depends on the phone mate, some have them made before the phone releases.
Evo X has a placeholder for a ROM on the 10 which I'm praying is remotely close to what we had on the 8 pro.
I'm sure lineage will make its way and probably some Magisk ROMs.
Point is it has to happen..it's one of the best phones in the world at the moment but it has a crap OS, so yea I'd say well get some ROMs, hopefully the right ones like Evo.
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Man I hope so! I personally ran EVO for quite some time and it was pretty good. The only reason I swapped was because of some android auto issues I had running it with Headunit Reloaded on my android unit in my car. I no longer do that so I wouldnt mind an EVO port to the 10 pro! Lineage makes its way to every phone at some point. I guess I'll suck it up and stick with OOS for a little while.
Oneplus should just hire the guys behind pixel experience or one of the other large ones and use them for their next phone. That would probably be a hit.
Yea I agree mate, I also think I remember you asking about auto.
Funny you mention hiring that guys, that's kind of how OnePlus started, they hired someone who made Cyanogen mod, the now lineage.
They've moved far from them humble roots.. but so long as the community keeps going and it remains strong then in my eyes it'll remain a great device.
The more source code that's released, the better the ROM prospects...