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Hello there!
Been a long time since I have taken a look on the forums, been a while away from samsung phones, but I still get attracted to the note 9
Read and heard some good and bad things about the note and coming from Oneplus (i have the 5) I was wondering if people would still buy the note with the knowledge you have now after using it for a couple of months..
Now with pie and the the new Samsung one ui i get even more tempted to make a switch back to Samsung..
Now with pie, yes in this context it is worth to buy. I have two, geez!!!
Note 9 is the best overall by far. So much functionality and features inside a premium device. I used 2 pixel 3, one normal and other XL, and despite the camera, I couldn't see nothing better than Note.
I'm a heavy camera user. Stock camera is great and now with Gcam working on it nothing beats this device.
In my opinion, Samsung software is the most complete at the moment.
Absolutely the Note 9 is worth it. Everything runs perfectly and pair it together with the Night Sight Gcam, there's almost no reason to look at other phones on the current market.
Cristiano Matos said:
Note 9 is the best overall by far. So much functionality and features inside a premium device. I used 2 pixel 3, one normal and other XL, and despite the camera, I couldn't see nothing better than Note.
I'm a heavy camera user. Stock camera is great and now with Gcam working on it nothing beats this device.
In my opinion, Samsung software is the most complete at the moment.
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Where can I find GCam for the Note 9?
Thanks in advance
diego9016 said:
Where can I find GCam for the Note 9?
Thanks in advance
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In these forums under the apps, themes section.
And do you use exynos or the snapdragon version?
Best phone I've ever owned! LOVE the S Pen functionality and I have had no issues at all. Not rooted and easily get 7 hrs odd SoT, all round brilliant device. I have the exynos version.
Sent from my SM-N960F using Tapatalk
Hands down a great Phone! EXynos!!
I'd buy it in a heartbeat today (Exynos). But that's coming form a traditional Note user. Been on this series since my Note 1 on AT&T.
Awesome Smartphone, Samsung truly has given us tons of features with this smartphone! i still got tons more to learn! Some people are saying the Huawei Mate 20 Pro is in some ways better!
i dont know if i could agree, there Amoled display are good. But not as Good as the Samsung AMOLED.. Also battery easily 7 hours on screen time and that's without root.. Huawei Mate 20 Pro they use really aggressive battery management tweaks witch leads to bugs!
The note 9 camera rocks. We had G-Cam working but the PIE ONE UI killed that. i'm sure some dev will find a way around to get it working again..
if you are after an really powerfull smartphone then NOTE9 is the way to go! if you wont gimmicks and stuff get the Huawei Mate 20 Pro!
At this point I'd save up for the Note 10. Pie should be better optimized with the hardware since its being built ground up with pie.
Rumor(hasnt been confirmed but based on "leaks"):
Bigger screen
Bigger Battery
Three cameras
Near bezel-less design.
faster charging solution
worldsoutro said:
At this point I'd save up for the Note 10. Pie should be better optimized with the hardware since its being built ground up with pie.
Rumor(hasnt been confirmed but based on "leaks"):
Bigger screen
Bigger Battery
Three cameras
Near bezel-less design.
faster charging solution
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...and probably $1800.00 based on the S10 Reports... ugh!
jimd1050 said:
...and probably $1800.00 based on the S10 Reports... ugh!
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I saw that and I just don't believe it. Samsung know the markets had changed and sales haven't been as good. I expect around 1k with some decent trade ins to boot.
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Not saying 1k+ is not too much because it is! Flagship prices are out of control.
Funny that where the O6T is priced is what flagships used to cost.
Now? I would wait for S10 to be shown to know direction of Note10 changes. Every year when S series is presented, you have glimpse about Note series design and functions, yes? So this year will be no different, and i would count on price drop of Note9, but yes - i would buy it again i think. Someone mentioned about prices - it`s getting pretty high, year after year so note9 was very expensive at start, and Note10? I can`t imagine price tag of this one. $1999 for best option (probably 10-12 gigs of ram and 1TB of space?) - nevertheless, note9 is enough for few years, maybe note 12 will be one i will look for, or note 13?
Would I buy it again? Probably yes, if the price is right. But the exynos version is imho still way behind the snapdragon version, sadly. This was thoroughly tested by anandtech for the S9+ and later confirmed for the Note 9. It's a pain in the ass to see that Samsung includes two different SOCs in their products which, this time around, provide a different user experience. The story apparently continues with the S10 and most likely the Note 10 respectively with the exynos version being the inferior version of the two, in terms of efficiency and LTE performance.
All that aside, the Note 9 is easily the best phone I've ever owned with a great and most complete set of features. If you can live with the SOC issue, the high cost and the huge dimensions of the device, you will be fine. It's a great device. Eventhough I personally don't like the PIE update apart from the gesture navigation.
here is johnny said:
Hello there!
Been a long time since I have taken a look on the forums, been a while away from samsung phones, but I still get attracted to the note 9
Read and heard some good and bad things about the note and coming from Oneplus (i have the 5) I was wondering if people would still buy the note with the knowledge you have now after using it for a couple of months..
Now with pie and the the new Samsung one ui i get even more tempted to make a switch back to Samsung..
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Only if you can get the snapdragon version. Not only it's superior for gaming, battery life, smoothness, multitasking, emulation and app loading/transitioning - but the one UI on the exynos note 9 is less smooth than even oreo, really disappointed on that one. Phone priced at 1000 euro with UI smoothness of midrange phone + they f up the multitasking on android 9 and made it like google's implementation... slow to use, not convenient to use, less features...
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OberstGrausam said:
Would I buy it again? Probably yes, if the price is right. But the exynos version is imho still way behind the snapdragon version, sadly. This was thoroughly tested by anandtech for the S9+ and later confirmed for the Note 9. It's a pain in the ass to see that Samsung includes two different SOCs in their products which, this time around, provide a different user experience. The story apparently continues with the S10 and most likely the Note 10 respectively with the exynos version being the inferior version of the two, in terms of efficiency and LTE performance.
All that aside, the Note 9 is easily the best phone I've ever owned with a great and most complete set of features. If you can live with the SOC issue, the high cost and the huge dimensions of the device, you will be fine. It's a great device. Eventhough I personally don't like the PIE update apart from the gesture navigation.
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This with both hands, snapdragon 955 will make a joke of the exynos 9820 the same way sd845 makes a joke of the exynos 9810. Also I clearly see lags in the animations in android 9, more so vs the oreo (that is actually proven to be A LOT smoother with the snapdragon SOC!!!). I am so disappointed from that SOC and the funny part is that we in Europe PAID MORE, 1000 euro is 1140 us dollars currently. SOC is like buying the most expensive computer both me and you, but I receive the best possible cpu, gpu, ssd, etc while you receive midrange cpu, gpu, ssd, motherboard and so on. There is no excuse and really important for the longevity of the phone and the experience with it... wish we had the apple's A12 in the note 9 tbh, but that's another topic (sadly I dislike a lot about apple to buy an iphone just because of the great SOC). We already see a problem with longevity (and don't me even get started on the gaming part as there is absurd difference + yes, I game on my phone), I am sure the snapdragon will be a lot smoother on the new android and UI.
@high_voltage , I agree. It's a bit of a let down that everyone despite the american users only get the second best version of the Note 9. It wouldn't be a big issue for me if Samsung in europe also provides warranty for the snapdragon variant. Sadly thats not the case and thus you are either stuck with the exynos version or you risk to get snapdragon version which might, as every phone might, develop some issues over time. In addition, Samsung makes it harder to use different phones in different regions due to their region lock.
As of now, the new snapdragon seems to be superior again but I guess we have to wait and see how it'll turn out. It wasn't always the case though, the S8 exynos version was superior to the snapdragon one based on what've read. Sadly, the One UI really fells inferior to the "old" Samsung UX, but it might get more polished over time. I still think that Samsung is able to pull it off since it has done so with the S9s when they were introduced.
So yeah, I'd buy the Note 9 again because I love the features and the SPen, eventhough I hate to be forced to spend more money on only the second best option available.
OberstGrausam said:
@high_voltage , I agree. It's a bit of a let down that everyone despite the american users only get the second best version of the Note 9. It wouldn't be a big issue for me if Samsung in europe also provides warranty for the snapdragon variant. Sadly thats not the case and thus you are either stuck with the exynos version or you risk to get snapdragon version which might, as every phone might, develop some issues over time. In addition, Samsung makes it harder to use different phones in different regions due to their region lock.
As of now, the new snapdragon seems to be superior again but I guess we have to wait and see how it'll turn out. It wasn't always the case though, the S8 exynos version was superior to the snapdragon one based on what've read. Sadly, the One UI really fells inferior to the "old" Samsung UX, but it might get more polished over time. I still think that Samsung is able to pull it off since it has done so with the S9s when they were introduced.
So yeah, I'd buy the Note 9 again because I love the features and the SPen, eventhough I hate to be forced to spend more money on only the second best option available.
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Some of the things in the one UI are great and polished, but not everything and that sad, as it's literally "samsung rushed the update" type of comment shaping while they had so much time for development and beta testing...
For the exynos vs snapdragon it was like that:
s6 exynos was vastly superior to the flawed snapdragon 810 nicknamed "the oven"
s7 exynos was superior in the CPU part to the snapdragon 820 - better battery life, better CPU, less heat, better DAC (i.e. better audio via headphones), but had weaker GPU (but by not that much!). Overall better SOC!
s8 exynos was same as speed in CPU as the snapdragon 835, but less heat and longer battery life. The DAC was also better. The GPU was noticeable slower tho even in that generation. It was no clear winner, for gaming - sd variant, otherwise the exynos.
s9 exynos is where all fall apart - CPU is a lot slower in real world (and all benches except geekbench too, mind you), the GPU is roflmao slower, the DAC in the new snapdragon 845 is vastly improved and similar to the wolfson/lucky in the exynos, battery life on the snapdragon is better WHILE being faster. The only part where the exynos is still better is that in heavy loads the phone is colder and... that's all. This year the difference was absurdly big to the point that every single review before launch was snapdragon variant as samsung send ONLY those to the popular reviewers.
Sadly, and I am talking as a "tech heavy" person that is really into electronics as a hobby and professionally - the new exynos 9820 will still lag behind even by samsungs own projections. Read a lot, it will be worse in every department vs the snapdragon 855 and both will be vastly behind the apple's A12, more competing with the iphone X A11. Sad story, really... this samsung practice should be more exposed so they can stop it. Every person on that forum that had both variants infront of him said the same thing: "I came prepared for a difference into this, but didn't expect it to be that big!" then returned the exynos while keeping the snapdragon 845 one.
Without hesitation I absolutely love my Note 9(Snapdragon). It's battery is nearly on the level of my V20 with an extended battery. With the Pie beta so far the device is on a level of its own. If you have the opportunity just buy it.
Hi. I just observed that exynoss version n9 has currently better custom.rom support than the snapdragon one. Not sure if I am looking at the right forum as I always thought custom rom support is easy on snapdragon. Pls clarify
Should be because most snapdragon model out there can't unlock the bootloader, for Samsung
kirankowshik said:
Hi. I just observed that exynoss version n9 has currently better custom.rom support than the snapdragon one. Not sure if I am looking at the right forum as I always thought custom rom support is easy on snapdragon. Pls clarify
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Take a look for yourself:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-9/development
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...on-roms-kernels-recoveries--other-development
Short answer:
Model SM-N960F & SM-N960F-D/S: (Exynos) Root & ROMs
Model SM-N9600: (Snapdragon International) Root & ROM (Yes,only one ROM ATM)
Model SM-N960U / SM-N960U1 / SM-N960W: (Snapdragon North America) Nothing,don't expect this to change anytime soon,if ever.
Model SM-N960N (Korean version,other Korean versions that are carrier specific may exist,or,as with the American & Canadian versions,share the same model number) You'll have to look for yourself,little to nothing exists here @ XDA.
If you want detailed what & why's,Google & XDA Search is your friend,the topic of ROM support has been discussed at great length on many sites/forums......................
Can i flash gsis on the n9600 version? I really don't want a exynos considering the low performance as many comparisions say
kirankowshik said:
Can i flash gsis on the n9600 version? I really don't want a exynos considering the low performance as many comparisions say
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FWIW,some are stating Android 9.0 brought some performance improvements to the Exynos version.
However,if you're set on the SM-N9600 Snapdragon version (& the limited development support),this thread goes off-topic discussing GSI ROMs,give it a look & ask around:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...ries--other-development/rom-weta-0-1-t3847155
Give the 1st post in the link a good look for links to further discussions of the int'l SnapDragon model..............
Thank you for the info. If I have a n960 u1 version does it have bootloader unlocked? I saw somewhwre that u1 is the unlocked version. In that case will I be able to flash any gsi treble roms?
kirankowshik said:
Thank you for the info. If I have a n960 u1 version does it have bootloader unlocked? I saw somewhwre that u1 is the unlocked version. In that case will I be able to flash any gsi treble roms?
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No, the SM-N960U/U1/W versions do not have an unlockable bootloader.
The unlock you're referring to is in regards to the carrier free version (SIM Unlocked).
https://youtu.be/lVIHuC6v39E
Oh okay got it. So only the n9600 and n960f f/ds have bootloader unlocks. Please confirm
kirankowshik said:
Oh okay got it. So only the n9600 and n960f f/ds have bootloader unlocks. Please confirm
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Yes, exactly, but, don't take my word for it.....
If you look around, the exact question you're posing has been asked & answered numerous times.
kirankowshik said:
Can i flash gsis on the n9600 version? I really don't want a exynos considering the low performance as many comparisions say
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Even tho android 9 improved a little the exynos 9810 scheduler - it's still a far inferior chip to the snapdragon 945. If you can choose, don't - pick the snapdragon. The few more custom ROMs won't change the difference. For more vivid example - imagine a midrange phone with custom ROMs vs high end phone without custom ROMs support. Dunno about you, but for primary device, I would pick the high end phone (especially when they are priced the same). This is my personal opinion and yes, I have the exynos note 9 and yes - read a lot + know people and the snapdragon is not just a little bit better, it's vastly better to the point that it's super obvious almost instantly when you have both of the variants in-front of you.
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Even tho android 9 improved a little the exynos 9810 scheduler - it's still a far inferior chip to the snapdragon 945. If you can choose, don't - pick the snapdragon. The few more custom ROMs won't change the difference. For more vivid example - imagine a midrange phone with custom ROMs vs high end phone without custom ROMs support. Dunno about you, but for primary device, I would pick the high end phone (especially when they are priced the same). This is my personal opinion and yes, I have the exynos note 9 and yes - read a lot + know people and the snapdragon is not just a little bit better, it's vastly better to the point that it's super obvious almost instantly when you have both of the variants in-front of you.
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But the gap is very little now between exynos and snapdragon
I see multiple benchmark that stated these
I don't have either ones
But i order the exynos because it's the only version available in my country
But after seeing the difference I desid i will flip it
But now after the pie update and the improvement
I don't know what to do
Btw ( the price was good 650$)
Can you share a benchmark in pie since you have exynos
ahmedwhy said:
But the gap is very little now between exynos and snapdragon
I see multiple benchmark that stated these
I don't have either ones
But i order the exynos because it's the only version available in my country
But after seeing the difference I desid i will flip it
But now after the pie update and the improvement
I don't know what to do
Btw ( the price was good 650$)
Can you share a benchmark in pie since you have exynos
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25-35% slower GPU (depending on the workload/game), frame drops are a lot more with the exynos, battery life is lower, apps opens slower, heavy multitasking is worse/choppier. Yes, the scores improved, but I am yet to see note 9 sd android 9 scores, so maybe they improved too. Search for the Andrei's article in anandtech mobile section (second page currently), he compared the two note 9 variants. Yes, they are both on oreo, but you can see what is the overall situation. Not to mention that no matter how much samsung tweak the SOC control, they cannot change the hardware part of it. You decide for yourself, I also have the exynos and the phone is good, just wish that I had the better one...
For 650$ it's a good phone. Don't return it, I am sure you will love it.
high_voltage said:
Even tho android 9 improved a little the exynos 9810 scheduler - it's still a far inferior chip to the snapdragon 945. If you can choose, don't - pick the snapdragon. The few more custom ROMs won't change the difference. For more vivid example - imagine a midrange phone with custom ROMs vs high end phone without custom ROMs support. Dunno about you, but for primary device, I would pick the high end phone (especially when they are priced the same). This is my personal opinion and yes, I have the exynos note 9 and yes - read a lot + know people and the snapdragon is not just a little bit better, it's vastly better to the point that it's super obvious almost instantly when you have both of the variants in-front of you.
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Can I assume you have held both variants in your hands? Which models? (N960F & N9600?)
Just out of interest, can you say more specifically what was vastly superior on the Snapdragon variant?
I have only checked the Exynos variant (N960F running Oreo with October patch) at a local store and simply browsing around the interface, it was very fast and fluid.
Is the performance so different that side-by-side, the Snapdragon variant is visually faster and smoother/more fluid?
Keep in mind, there are other differences as well. For example, the HK variant of the N9600 does not have VoLTE.
For what its worth, I ordered the Snapdragon variant as well because I want the top internal specs and was willing to pay a slight premium to get it. Hopefully I can modify the the software to address the shortcomings over the Exynos 950FD.
I also hope that we see more ROMs for the N9600.
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25-35% slower GPU (depending on the workload/game), frame drops are a lot more with the exynos, battery life is lower, apps opens slower, heavy multitasking is worse/choppier. Yes, the scores improved, but I am yet to see note 9 sd android 9 scores, so maybe they improved too. Search for the Andrei's article in anandtech mobile section (second page currently), he compared the two note 9 variants. Yes, they are both on oreo, but you can see what is the overall situation. Not to mention that no matter how much samsung tweak the SOC control, they cannot change the hardware part of it. You decide for yourself, I also have the Exynos and the phone is good, just wish that I had the better one...
For 650$ it's a good phone. Don't return it, I am sure you will love it.
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thank you very much for replying
yes i sow the post for anandtech
and that scare the s*it of me
but i in the other side there are benchmarks
withe exynos have 255000 in antutu and sd have 280000
so these number is good
and btw the highest sd 854 sd score was 280000 on the pocophone and oneplus 6t
so i think they can improve it more
and tweaking the kernel make wonder
especially if they weren't tweaked right from the start
Byte_76 said:
Can I assume you have held both variants in your hands? Which models? (N960F & N9600?)
Just out of interest, can you say more specifically what was vastly superior on the Snapdragon variant?
I have only checked the Exynos variant (N960F running Oreo with October patch) at a local store and simply browsing around the interface, it was very fast and fluid.
Is the performance so different that side-by-side, the Snapdragon variant is visually faster and smoother/more fluid?
Keep in mind, there are other differences as well. For example, the HK variant of the N9600 does not have VoLTE.
For what its worth, I ordered the Snapdragon variant as well because I want the top internal specs and was willing to pay a slight premium to get it. Hopefully I can modify the the software to address the shortcomings over the Exynos 950FD.
I also hope that we see more ROMs for the N9600.
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What shortcomings? Few respected members @ XDA got both variants, Andrei from anandtech got them (he is also known as developer, if you didn't know), friend of mine who lives outside my country currently also got them. All of them returned the exynos and kept the snapdragon, all of them said they came prepare into that comparison but didn't expect the difference to be that big. There are also real tests that solidify this with facts + geekbench is THE ONLY bench that put the exynos CPU part ahead of the snapdragon, every other bench is the opposite. The exynos is not that bad, it's just not on the snapdragon level - there are more frame drops here and there, battery life is worse, the GPU is A LOT weaker leading to vastly worse gaming, app loading is slower (and this hurts a lot, simple example - app opening most will say w/e if it's 0.5s more, but when you open notification from messenger and in the one case it's like iphone smooth/instant opening the app and in the other slight delay and choppy animations when opening - then the user experience suffers), heavy multitasking is slower and choppier in the animations when transitions are happening, emulators are a lot worse on the exynos too. Just search for "how to improve exynos 9810" part 1 and 2 @ anandtech, then read the direct note 9 variants comparison and you will get the idea with facts. Subjectively everyone who tried the both variants said the same, this doesn't make the note 9 exynos super bad, but I payed more money (1140$ as euro > $) than someone in USA to get high tier midrange SOC. Don't forget that nowdays even a midrange SOC can run everything smooth, even games... but after a year, or two? What if you wan't to play demanding game and instead of fps drops to 20, to have 60 stable? What if you wan't smooth experience instead of frame drop here, frame drop there, choppy app opening, etc). Why should I pay more for less? Hell, even the DAC on the sd845 is really stepped up and the wolfson/lucky in the exynos are no more vastly better...
The exynos 9820 from what is officially revealed from samsung and leaked - will be no different, vastly behind the sd855, but let's see. (also both are roflstomped from the apple's A12 and even A11 pulls ahead, sadly they got other problems like price, locked OS, etc).
So to sum it up: is the exynos version that bad? No, it's not at all. The snapdragon version is just better at... everything this year and the difference is bigger than ever. When we combine that with the fact that in Europe we pay 1000 euro for the phone or 1140$ while in USA someone will pay 1000$ and receive a better GPU/CPU in the phone... well, yes, it's not fair and not like we have a choice either. Especially with this year week android manufacturers performance with copycat of apple iphone's worse aspects without taking the good ones.
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ahmedwhy said:
thank you very much for replying
yes i sow the post for anandtech
and that scare the s*it of me
but i in the other side there are benchmarks
withe exynos have 255000 in antutu and sd have 280000
so these number is good
and btw the highest sd 854 sd score was 280000 on the pocophone and oneplus 6t
so i think they can improve it more
and tweaking the kernel make wonder
especially if they weren't tweaked right from the start
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No need to be scared, the exynos variant is just fine. I am just a tech heavy person that has the knowledge to understand the deep architectural dives and into hardware, thus I can tell you that as a hardware the exynos 9810 even tweaked to it's best possible way will never match the sd845 both in CPU and GPU (or come close to it for an fact). The mali GPU just don't have the raw power to even be in the same class with the adreno, even the sd835 is faster in GPU. The CPU big cores has a lot going on, BUT they are really power hungry. Unleashing them to close the gap to the sd845 CPU, will lead to a bad battery life and a lot of heat - so it's not viable. Also there is something that should not be forgotten, galaxy s10 is just around the corner and tweaking the note 9/s9 will absolutely not be priority. The efforts from the competent engineers will go towards 9820 in the s10. What we have in android 9 will be most likely the last tweaking for performance for this device (atleast to a more measurable degree).
This should not scare you, as I said - the note 9 exynos is just fine and you will see that when you receive the device. I am talking about more of an power user perspective, but then again - you pay the same money as the person that got a better version of the phone = this is totally a scam from samsung, albeit a legal one.
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What shortcomings? Few respected members @ XDA got both variants, Andrei from anandtech got them (he is also known as developer, if you didn't know), friend of mine who lives outside my country currently also got them. All of them returned the exynos and kept the snapdragon, all of them said they came prepare into that comparison but didn't expect the difference to be that big. There are also real tests that solidify this with facts + geekbench is THE ONLY bench that put the exynos CPU part ahead of the snapdragon, every other bench is the opposite. The exynos is not that bad, it's just not on the snapdragon level - there are more frame drops here and there, battery life is worse, the GPU is A LOT weaker leading to vastly worse gaming, app loading is slower (and this hurts a lot, simple example - app opening most will say w/e if it's 0.5s more, but when you open notification from messenger and in the one case it's like iphone smooth/instant opening the app and in the other slight delay and choppy animations when opening - then the user experience suffers), heavy multitasking is slower and choppier in the animations when transitions are happening, emulators are a lot worse on the exynos too. Just search for "how to improve exynos 9810" part 1 and 2 @ anandtech, then read the direct note 9 variants comparison and you will get the idea with facts. Subjectively everyone who tried the both variants said the same, this doesn't make the note 9 exynos super bad, but I payed more money (1140$ as euro > $) than someone in USA to get high tier midrange SOC. Don't forget that nowdays even a midrange SOC can run everything smooth, even games... but after a year, or two? What if you wan't to play demanding game and instead of fps drops to 20, to have 60 stable? What if you wan't smooth experience instead of frame drop here, frame drop there, choppy app opening, etc). Why should I pay more for less? Hell, even the DAC on the sd845 is really stepped up and the wolfson/lucky in the exynos are no more vastly better...
The exynos 9820 from what is officially revealed from samsung and leaked - will be no different, vastly behind the sd855, but let's see. (also both are roflstomped from the apple's A12 and even A11 pulls ahead, sadly they got other problems like price, locked OS, etc).
So to sum it up: is the exynos version that bad? No, it's not at all. The snapdragon version is just better at... everything this year and the difference is bigger than ever. When we combine that with the fact that in Europe we pay 1000 euro for the phone or 1140$ while in USA someone will pay 1000$ and receive a better GPU/CPU in the phone... well, yes, it's not fair and not like we have a choice either. Especially with this year week android manufacturers performance with copycat of apple iphone's worse aspects without taking the good ones.
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No need to be scared, the exynos variant is just fine. I am just a tech heavy person that has the knowledge to understand the deep architectural dives and into hardware, thus I can tell you that as a hardware the exynos 9810 even tweaked to it's best possible way will never match the sd845 both in CPU and GPU (or come close to it for an fact). The mali GPU just don't have the raw power to even be in the same class with the adreno, even the sd835 is faster in GPU. The CPU big cores has a lot going on, BUT they are really power hungry. Unleashing them to close the gap to the sd845 CPU, will lead to a bad battery life and a lot of heat - so it's not viable. Also there is something that should not be forgotten, galaxy s10 is just around the corner and tweaking the note 9/s9 will absolutely not be priority. The efforts from the competent engineers will go towards 9820 in the s10. What we have in android 9 will be most likely the last tweaking for performance for this device (atleast to a more measurable degree).
This should not scare you, as I said - the note 9 exynos is just fine and you will see that when you receive the device. I am talking about more of an power user perspective, but then again - you pay the same money as the person that got a better version of the phone = this is totally a scam from samsung, albeit a legal one.
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i agree with in every word you sayed
me too i consider my self a tech heavy person
and i know deep in mind i will never be in rest after this knowledge
but it's the only option i have or the oneplus 6t or the pocophone
and i didn't pay the full price just 650
so i think it's not a bad of deal
oneplus 6t have the same price with better soc by 10% and better support and oxygen os
or note with a better camera, display, fingerprint, design, mic, and vibration motor
and i trust in the build quality with Samsung more than i trust oneplus (maybe i am wrong )
but coming from note 4 for 5 years ...amazing phone
in the end, i chose Samsung and i hate my choice
agreed with you it's a scam and the worst ia a legal scam
i don't know these is possible every advertise and review unit to the reviewer is snapdragon
and if you bought the phone without knowing
in any country expect us
you will ge a different lowest phone .......whaaaat
how no one changing these
in my country (Egypt) there is no low to control that..... but in Europe
come on
if Samsung advertise there phone with Exynos SOC no one will pay it (at least every one know what is SOC)
I am also a tech savvy person with a long background in technology. I have a strong understanding of the architecture of the two SoC's in question.
Despite thinking that I had made up my mind to go with the Exynos variant in the copper color that I wanted, I too felt that I would not be happy knowing that I had paid top dollar for the Exynos variant. In the end, I chose the Snapdragon variant (at the last minute) despite having to go with a non-preferred color. I'll put a case on the phone and forget about the color but I'll have that mental satisfaction of knowing that I have the best SoC that was available in the Note 9.
That said, I was prepared to pay for the SD version and had the option to choose either way.
If my budget was fixed at $650 with the option to choose between OnePlus 6T, Poco Phone and a few other options, I would have chosen the Exynos Note 9 without a second thought. To me, the Note 9 is a lot better than the Poco Phone and compared to the 6T, you get a much better display, wirelss charging, a 4000mah battery and the stylus, to name just a few. (At near equal pricing, there really are a lot of advantages for the note 9 over the 6T that outweigh the benefits of the SD845 vs the Exynos 9810.)
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I am also a tech savvy person with a long background in technology. I have a strong understanding of the architecture of the two SoC's in question.
Despite thinking that I had made up my mind to go with the Exynos variant in the copper color that I wanted, I too felt that I would not be happy knowing that I had paid top dollar for the Exynos variant. In the end, I chose the Snapdragon variant (at the last minute) despite having to go with a non-preferred color. I'll put a case on the phone and forget about the color but I'll have that mental satisfaction of knowing that I have the best SoC that was available in the Note 9.
That said, I was prepared to pay for the SD version.and had the option to choose either way.
If my budget was fixed at $650 with the option to choose between OnePlus 6T, Poco Phone and a few other options, I would have chosen the Exynos Note 9 without a second thought. To me, the Note 9 is a lot better than the Poco Phone and compared to the 6T, you get a much better display, wirelss charging, a 4000mah battery and the stylus, to name just a few. (At near equal pricing, there really are a lot of advantages for the note 9 over the 6T that outweigh the benefits of the SD845 vs the Exynos 9810.)
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Thank you very much
I will go with the exynos and hope for the best
Hope you well have great time with your note
And hope we can compare our score in benchmarks when we receive it
ahmedwhy said:
i agree with in every word you sayed
me too i consider my self a tech heavy person
and i know deep in mind i will never be in rest after this knowledge
but it's the only option i have or the oneplus 6t or the pocophone
and i didn't pay the full price just 650
so i think it's not a bad of deal
oneplus 6t have the same price with better soc by 10% and better support and oxygen os
or note with a better camera, display, fingerprint, design, mic, and vibration motor
and i trust in the build quality with Samsung more than i trust oneplus (maybe i am wrong )
but coming from note 4 for 5 years ...amazing phone
in the end, i chose Samsung and i hate my choice
agreed with you it's a scam and the worst ia a legal scam
i don't know these is possible every advertise and review unit to the reviewer is snapdragon
and if you bought the phone without knowing
in any country expect us
you will ge a different lowest phone .......whaaaat
how no one changing these
in my country (Egypt) there is no low to control that..... but in Europe
come on
if Samsung advertise there phone with Exynos SOC no one will pay it (at least every one know what is SOC)
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Actually I would pick the exynos note 9 over the oneplus 6t, especially when they are both priced the same. Overall the note 9 is a better phone in a lot of ways.
I am probably going for n9600 version with snapdragon 845. Was struggling to decide between op6t and this but I am a bit crazy abt the features of note 9 rather than the op6t which seem barebones. I come from a nokia 7 plus hence its almost same on op6t. Another question, can you show me a way to unlocm bootloader on n9600? Any site for that. I tried looking around but cdnt get any
check the below performance comparison ,
i really want this phone after so much time i was away from samsung , but as now i have iphone X i don't want a laggy or stuttery phone ,
when you see this video , the exynos is not only slower but even stuttry when switching between tests than the SD855 , it makes me want to got to the MI9 from xiaomi only for the cpu
https://youtu.be/MgRnbm9wrzg
i wish the exynos was at least on par with the 855 in performance
c'mon don't believe everything, wait for more elaborated cpu reviews... this Gary not seems to be a real expert
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14031/samsung-galaxy-s10-first-exynos-9820-vs-snapdragon-855-scores
Yes, snapdragon is way better, pity
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check the below performance comparison ,
i really want this phone after so much time i was away from samsung , but as now i have iphone X i don't want a laggy or stuttery phone ,
when you see this video , the exynos is not only slower but even stuttry when switching between tests than the SD855 , it makes me want to got to the MI9 from xiaomi only for the cpu
https://youtu.be/MgRnbm9wrzg
i wish the exynos was at least on par with the 855 in performance
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Besides having more Custom ROM options I don't know of any other advantages the Exynos Chipset has over the Spapdragon variant. As far as lagging, since the S9 it's not an issue and with UI/Android 9 Update it's as smooth and faster than than anything iPhone offers. The CPU in the S10 is the same as the Xiaomi so you'll get a lesser smartphone at a lower price.
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Besides having more Custom ROM options I don't know of any other advantages the Exynos Chipset has over the Spapdragon variant. As far as lagging, since the S9 it's not an issue and with UI/Android 9 Update it's as smooth and faster than than anything iPhone offers. The CPU in the S10 is the same as the Xiaomi so you'll get a lesser smartphone at a lower price.
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i mentioned xiaomi as it have the SD855 vs the Exynos in the s10 , as in my country we only have the exynos with samsung we don't get the SD ,
also i need to ask you about your statment about the s9 and the one UI update , are you talking about the exynos version or the SD 845 version?am interested to know if the 9810 also after the update is good in speed and not laggy or something as old samsungs specially after a while of use.
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i mentioned xiaomi as it have the SD855 vs the Exynos in the s10 , as in my country we only have the exynos with samsung we don't get the SD ,
also i need to ask you about your statment about the s9 and the one UI update , are you talking about the exynos version or the SD 845 version?am interested to know if the 9810 also after the update is good in speed and not laggy or something as old samsungs specially after a while of use.
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No, it's an SM-G9650, Snapdragon 845, Hong Kong, I won't consider a Exynos variant when I can get a Snapdragon variant, bootloader unlocked especially with the new SD 855 which is faster, no overheating, battery drain or carrier compatibility concerns. Not to mention the Snapdragon variant is much better optimized for AI and 5G.
Mmmmm, disappointing to say the least.
I have just cancelled my pre-order of the S10 from Sammy UK. I'm not happy spending £799.
Decided to order the U.S Version from Amazon. Not fussed with rooting this device, as I have other phones to play with.
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Mmmmm, disappointing to say the least.
I have just cancelled my pre-order of the S10 from Sammy UK. I'm not happy spending £799 on a phone with a chip set that is last year.
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LOL, too funny, last year was 8 weeks ago! Almost all flagship android devices are using the SD 855. With the exceptions of iPhone A12, Exynos 9820 and Huawei's Kirin 980, all of which are older than the SD 855!
Slight overreaction but as someone who has the 10+ pre-ordered in the UK I do feel short-changed. If I could get the SD55 model in the UK I would.
If there is a significant difference between the two though this is not good for Samsung. Especially as we pay more in the UK for the privilege.
From what I have seen the Exynos single core is double that of the Snapdragon, and only falls a little short in mulyicore performance. But there are pros and cons to both chipsets.
However I do like the Snapdragon 855, and would be more uniform if Samsung just shipped all units with that chipset.
It's funny, you guys that aren't in North America want the SD 855 and a lot of us here in the USA want the Exynos 9820!
Personally, I ordered an Exynos variant and am receiving it March 4th. It seems as if there are a lot of issues with the Exynos version in terms of LTE bands as well, as the version I ordered is likely the SEA region that lacks specific bands that I want. But then again.. that prism green looks gorgeous and is a pretty big reason why I ordered it. I'm inclined to return it though, and trade in my old S8+ through Samsung since they're offering a decent amount for it. We'll see!
You guys are too picky. There is nothing wrong with Exynos 9820 version. It's amazingly fast with amazing battery life. Synthetic benchmarks mean almost nothing!
Real life speed test: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uru9AnkgzHc
Real life battery test: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgqinnFGqmQ
I ordered the Snapdragon version because its what Tmo US sells. I'm not a huge phone gamer, but I haven't found speed to be a factor on a modern flagship phone in years. I'm much more worried about battery life and overall features. Speed at this point is pretty much the least of my concerns. The only thing actually tying my to Samsung anymore is secure folder, another company REALLY needs to create a competitor. ( did order S10+)
I am interested in whichever one is better at battery life. If Samsung would put a midrange chipset with that camera in that shell, I would buy it I am inclined to believe that the 7nm Snapdragon will be better than the 8nm Exynos, but there were occasions (Galaxy S7/Edge) when the Exynos version was vastly superior in battery life. I would really want to see a battery life comparison between SD855 and Exynos 9820 in order to decide if importing from the US to Europe at a higher price is actually worth it.
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I am interested in whichever one is better at battery life. If Samsung would put a midrange chipset with that camera in that shell, I would buy it I am inclined to believe that the 7nm Snapdragon will be better than the 8nm Exynos, but there were occasions (Galaxy S7/Edge) when the Exynos version was vastly superior in battery life. I would really want to see a battery life comparison between SD855 and Exynos 9820 in order to decide if importing from the US to Europe at a higher price is actually worth it.
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Exactly what I would say. Waiting on a battery comparison as well.
Benchmarks are not that important. I tend to set all my phones on a battery friendly setting since years.
Preordered the exynos s10, but in the end its the only option really in Europe. If battery is better then I can miss out on the speed. But i agree on some of the opinions that charging the same money on so vastly different phones when there is such a big difference in the chipsets is wrong.
But I would say we have to wait for the release, as the demo and preproduction units are not with final software.
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the snapdragon version when it comes out? on ebay I only saw the exynos version.
After 7 years of iPhone I'm planning to switch to android.
The problem is that the snapdragon version has the bootloader locked... and I don't know exactly in which way
I'm living in Mexico so we get the SD855 but we also have the exynos on Amazon.
SD855 is way better (battery, heating, speed) but can I at least root the device? Will be there few custom roms? I'm switching from iPhone cos I got tired and bored. But i dont want a device that locks me again...
On the other hand, the exynos comes with no warranty, heating issues, battery, etc. But it comes in dual SIM and green and flawless rooting/ custom roms
In the first year I don't plan to root/ change the ROM, but after a year I might want to do it and the most frustrating thing would be the impossibility due to locked bootloader.
Gosh just saw my signature )) I haven't been here for a loooong time haha
LEX404 said:
After 7 years of iPhone I'm planning to switch to android.
The problem is that the snapdragon version has the bootloader locked... and I don't know exactly in which way
I'm living in Mexico so we get the SD855 but we also have the exynos on Amazon.
SD855 is way better (battery, heating, speed) but can I at least root the device? Will be there few custom roms? I'm switching from iPhone cos I got tired and bored. But i dont want a device that locks me again...
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The SD models will come locked, and will stay that way unless a vulnerability is found, the same applies to root. No ETA on either of the two. But honestly don't expect the bootloader to become unlocked in the SD variant.
So the only chance is exynos from Amazon or if I can get SD from Hong Kong (probably not)
That's so unfair
LEX404 said:
So the only chance is exynos from Amazon or if I can get SD from Hong Kong (probably not)
That's so unfair
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Well, what's your preference?
Do you want bootloader unlocked, root or both?
If all you really want is root AND you were going to wait about a year anyway, then the SD model may be just fine.
If you want your bootloader unlocked then Exynos for sure.
Recently, I'm thinking to replace my S21 ultra with either Mi 11 or Mi 11 ultra. Since the price difference is pretty big between the two devices, My question is , specially for those who owned both devices, is the ultra worth spending that much bucks over the regular Mi 11? and what are the main things I will get if I buy the ultra over the regular one?
Thanks in advance
I think the main difference is the camera and the second screen on the rear. I can't see any reason to get any of the two coming from an S21 ultra
If you value photography, go with the Mi 11 Ultra. It can rival with the S21 Ultra. The Mi 11 is decent in terms of photos, but significantly worse than the S21 Ultra and Mi 11 Ultra.
That's basically all there is to it. If you don't care about photos then get the vanilla Mi 11, although it would be a step down from your Samsung.
Well
jericho246 said:
If you value photography, go with the Mi 11 Ultra. It can rival with the S21 Ultra. The Mi 11 is decent in terms of photos, but significantly worse than the S21 Ultra and Mi 11 Ultra.
That's basically all there is to it. If you don't care about photos then get the vanilla Mi 11, although it would be a step down from your Samsung.
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Well I do not care a lot about photography. I do care much about battery life, charging speed and performance. So is mi 11 ultra any much better in these terms over the mi 11 or the s21 ultra? also is there any other sacrifices I will be making if I change to any of those?
lordvoldmort said:
Well
Well I do not care a lot about photography. I do care much about battery life, charging speed and performance. So is mi 11 ultra any much better in these terms over the mi 11 or the s21 ultra? also is there any other sacrifices I will be making if I change to any of those?
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If you dont care about photography but you want a top phone buy the Mi 11 Pro not the Mi 11, it's almost the same than the Ultra but cheaper, Ultra is a bit more elitist and unique but the Pro is almost the same phone for around $200+ cheaper.
lordvoldmort said:
Recently, I'm thinking to replace my S21 ultra with either Mi 11 or Mi 11 ultra.....
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I presently own both the S21U (Exynos) and the Mi11U.
For me it's a close call between both devices with each one having strengths and weaknesses.
Camera : more capabilities in the Tele department on the S21U, also more consistent results and IMO the better "point&shoot". The Mi11U has significantly lower noise and the 5x is pretty good, but the main sensor has a much shallower depth-of-field making getting the correct focus difficult at times. On the other hand Samsung processing tends to oversharpen and kill fine details at times, but this has become much less pronounced with latest updates. All in all both are capable of getting really excellent images where it's difficult for me to name a winner.
Haptics: both are very solid devices (and heavy ones, too). The Mi11U is slightly more unbalanced due to the heavy top module, making it a bit more awkward when held for long time. FP reader is better on S21U (never thought I'd say that about a Samsung), the Mi11U is good but I've seen better and more reliable ones on other phones (e.g. OP 8Pro).
Displays: excellent on both, no big difference to my eye.
Performance: the Exynos is (for my taste) pretty close to the SD888, only slightly behind specifically with Graphics intense games. Overall excellent fluidity of the UI on both, a first time for a Samsung phone for my taste.
UI: clearly more customizability on MIUI, also better privacy options - for my taste. But this whole department is really very subjective....
Battery: for my light to medium usage pretty comparable on both, Standby is excellent on both. The faster charging on the Mi11U is very convenient and the only point where for me the S21U is really lacking (I use wireless charging exclusively BTW). When used heavily the Mi11U tends to drain a bit faster and get significantly warmer.
Just my 2 cents and sorry the lengthy text ,
Axel
s3axel said:
I presently own both the S21U (Exynos) and the Mi11U.
For me it's a close call between both devices with each one having strengths and weaknesses.
Camera : more capabilities in the Tele department on the S21U, also more consistent results and IMO the better "point&shoot". The Mi11U has significantly lower noise and the 5x is pretty good, but the main sensor has a much shallower depth-of-field making getting the correct focus difficult at times. On the other hand Samsung processing tends to oversharpen and kill fine details at times, but this has become much less pronounced with latest updates. All in all both are capable of getting really excellent images where it's difficult for me to name a winner.
Haptics: both are very solid devices (and heavy ones, too). The Mi11U is slightly more unbalanced due to the heavy top module, making it a bit more awkward when held for long time. FP reader is better on S21U (never thought I'd say that about a Samsung), the Mi11U is good but I've seen better and more reliable ones on other phones (e.g. OP 8Pro).
Displays: excellent on both, no big difference to my eye.
Performance: the Exynos is (for my taste) pretty close to the SD888, only slightly behind specifically with Graphics intense games. Overall excellent fluidity of the UI on both, a first time for a Samsung phone for my taste.
UI: clearly more customizability on MIUI, also better privacy options - for my taste. But this whole department is really very subjective....
Battery: for my light to medium usage pretty comparable on both, Standby is excellent on both. The faster charging on the Mi11U is very convenient and the only point where for me the S21U is really lacking (I use wireless charging exclusively BTW). When used heavily the Mi11U tends to drain a bit faster and get significantly warmer.
Just my 2 cents and sorry the lengthy text ,
Axel
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I'm trying to decide between these two. Samsung slightly ahead for local warranty + parts/servicing etc. Is the mi11u good enough to risk a grey import for, or would you pick the s21u? My priorities are camera and battery life.
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Recently, I'm thinking to replace my S21 ultra with either Mi 11 or Mi 11 ultra. Since the price difference is pretty big between the two devices, My question is , specially for those who owned both devices, is the ultra worth spending that much bucks over the regular Mi 11? and what are the main things I will get if I buy the ultra over the regular one?
Thanks in advance
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I would probably keep the s21 ultra since the investment is already made
There is not much measurable improvements in the mi 11 ultra you will notice and the regular mi 11 would be a step down in almost every aspect except maybe charging speed which is partially negated by having a smaller battery size and worse cooling
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I'm trying to decide between these two. Samsung slightly ahead for local warranty + parts/servicing etc. Is the mi11u good enough to risk a grey import for, or would you pick the s21u? My priorities are camera and battery life.
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Sorry, I can't decide that for you All I can say is that I'm pretty torn between both and have a difficult time to decide which one has to go. And BTW I got the CN version of the Mi11U with 512GB
For me it boils down to better balance/feel in hand on the S21U plus versatility in the Zoom-cameras and the more consistent image results vs faster charging, less noise and the (for me) nicer UI on the Mi11U.
Another point is that the MI11U fully supports GCam and I think has in general a bit more room for improvement as its newer, the S21U only supports GCam for the UW/Wide lenses presently and it has already made big leaps ahead in the recent updates - no idea how much room is left for further improvements but I'd think the majority of what could be achieved has been done.
And some additional points I didn't mention so far:
Internal speakers on the Mi11U are better, have more "oopmh", on the other hand the earpiece during calls is a bit better on the S21U (louder and better clarity)....
USB-Speed is much faster on the S21U (USB3 vs USB2) - like 300 MBps vs 40Mbps
In general WIFI speed seems to be faster on the Mi11U as is radio reception - but don't expect huge differences
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Sorry, I can't decide that for you All I can say is that I'm pretty torn between both and have a difficult time to decide which one has to go. And BTW I got the CN version of the Mi11U with 512GB
For me it boils down to better balance/feel in hand on the S21U plus versatility in the Zoom-cameras and the more consistent image results vs faster charging, less noise and the (for me) nicer UI on the Mi11U.
Another point is that the MI11U fully supports GCam and I think has in general a bit more room for improvement as its newer, the S21U only supports GCam for the UW/Wide lenses presently and it has already made big leaps ahead in the recent updates - no idea how much room is left for further improvements but I'd think the majority of what could be achieved has been done.
And some additional points I didn't mention so far:
Internal speakers on the Mi11U are better, have more "oopmh", on the other hand the earpiece during calls is a bit better on the S21U (louder and better clarity)....
USB-Speed is much faster on the S21U (USB3 vs USB2) - like 300 MBps vs 40Mbps
In general WIFI speed seems to be faster on the Mi11U as is radio reception - but don't expect huge differences
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They really dropped the ball using usb2 on this phone , especially the 512gb version
Whatever they saved was likely pennies
i haven't held a sammy since the s8, i do not like the UI and while miui took some getting used to after my mate 20 pro i have come around and it's pretty slick. i'm not sure if it's android 11 or miui, but the app permissions thing is kinda killing me. the pics and video on the m11 ultra are pretty awesome, i've gotten compliments from iphone 12maxpro users...wow how do you take so much better pictures...lol
s3axel said:
I presently own both the S21U (Exynos) and the Mi11U.
For me it's a close call between both devices with each one having strengths and weaknesses.
Camera : more capabilities in the Tele department on the S21U, also more consistent results and IMO the better "point&shoot". The Mi11U has significantly lower noise and the 5x is pretty good, but the main sensor has a much shallower depth-of-field making getting the correct focus difficult at times. On the other hand Samsung processing tends to oversharpen and kill fine details at times, but this has become much less pronounced with latest updates. All in all both are capable of getting really excellent images where it's difficult for me to name a winner.
Haptics: both are very solid devices (and heavy ones, too). The Mi11U is slightly more unbalanced due to the heavy top module, making it a bit more awkward when held for long time. FP reader is better on S21U (never thought I'd say that about a Samsung), the Mi11U is good but I've seen better and more reliable ones on other phones (e.g. OP 8Pro).
Displays: excellent on both, no big difference to my eye.
Performance: the Exynos is (for my taste) pretty close to the SD888, only slightly behind specifically with Graphics intense games. Overall excellent fluidity of the UI on both, a first time for a Samsung phone for my taste.
UI: clearly more customizability on MIUI, also better privacy options - for my taste. But this whole department is really very subjective....
Battery: for my light to medium usage pretty comparable on both, Standby is excellent on both. The faster charging on the Mi11U is very convenient and the only point where for me the S21U is really lacking (I use wireless charging exclusively BTW). When used heavily the Mi11U tends to drain a bit faster and get significantly warmer.
Just my 2 cents and sorry the lengthy text ,
Axel
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But s21 have a lot of Updates about camera. Its 1y phone almost.
Mi11u with time will be better after few Updates.
i would not touch anything samsung with a stick after what they did to smartthings, they cant even make vaccum properly.
unfortunately after reading this thread i compared prices s21u.
why s21u is so much cheaper while having more ram?
is it exynos really that bad?
over $200 bad?
kaczyrezym said:
i would not touch anything samsung with a stick after what they did to smartthings, they cant even make vaccum properly.
unfortunately after reading this thread i compared prices s21u.
why s21u is so much cheaper while having more ram?
is it exynos really that bad?
over $200 bad?
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The Chinese Price is the only one I would pay for a xiaomi and that's the 12/512
lordvoldmort said:
Recently, I'm thinking to replace my S21 ultra with either Mi 11 or Mi 11 ultra. Since the price difference is pretty big between the two devices, My question is , specially for those who owned both devices, is the ultra worth spending that much bucks over the regular Mi 11? and what are the main things I will get if I buy the ultra over the regular one?
Thanks in advance
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I haven't used the Mi 11, but I have used the S21 Ultra and the Mi 11 Ultra is easily on par with the S21 Ultra.
kaczyrezym said:
i would not touch anything samsung with a stick after what they did to smartthings, they cant even make vaccum properly.
unfortunately after reading this thread i compared prices s21u.
why s21u is so much cheaper while having more ram?
is it exynos really that bad?
over $200 bad?
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That's regional.....
kaczyrezym said:
i would not touch anything samsung with a stick after what they did to smartthings, they cant even make vaccum properly.
unfortunately after reading this thread i compared prices s21u.
why s21u is so much cheaper while having more ram?
is it exynos really that bad?
over $200 bad?
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Giztop lists the current price for the Mi 11 Ultra 8/256 at $899 and the 12/256 at $999. The 12/512 version of the Mi 11 Ultra goes for $1099. Samsung lists the S21 Ultra at $1249.99 for 12/128. The S21 Ultra doesn't sound cheaper to me.
jim262 said:
Giztop lists the current price for the Mi 11 Ultra 8/256 at $899 and the 12/256 at $999. The 12/512 version of the Mi 11 Ultra goes for $1099. Samsung lists the S21 Ultra at $1249.99 for 12/128. The S21 Ultra doesn't sound cheaper to me.
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Check the China mi11u with 12/512 vs the 512gb s21u
Huge price difference when you want half a terrabyte of storage
And we get a 67w charger free, they have the option to buy a 25w charger separately!
Also most countries can only get the exynos which doesn't give the same value or working gcam
speedtripler said:
Check the China mi11u with 12/512 vs the 512gb s21u
Huge price difference when you want half a terrabyte of storage
And we get a 67w charger free, they have the option to buy a 25w charger separately!
Also most countries can only get the exynos which doesn't give the same value or working gcam
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I personally don't care about sub par, glitcy gcam, but I do care about SAVINGS!
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I personally don't care about sub par, glitcy gcam, but I do care about SAVINGS!
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SD over Exynos
Regardless of price!
Hi... Currently I have the S21 Ultra and really enjoy the phone. I always wanted a note, but due to pricing in my country, I couldn't afford a note on contract. I have seen the specs for S22 ultra and is quite excited with the prospect of getting a s pen with the S22 ultra built in. I wasn't convinced to get s pen separately in a case for the S21 ultra. Will you upgrade/ who is exc2for the release of the S22 ultra??
If you REALLY miss the Note range with integral S-Pen slot then yes, maybe, and depending on price you can get selling your S21 Ultra
For all other reasons, NO the S22U is an S21U with an S-Pen slot and very few enhancements or upgrades over the 2021 models.
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Hi... Currently I have the S21 Ultra and really enjoy the phone. I always wanted a note, but due to pricing in my country, I couldn't afford a note on contract. I have seen the specs for S22 ultra and is quite excited with the prospect of getting a s pen with the S22 ultra built in. I wasn't convinced to get s pen separately in a case for the S21 ultra. Will you upgrade/ who is exc2for the release of the S22 ultra??
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S22 ultra doesn't seem like a huge upgrade over the S21U. If an integrated S-Pen is an absolute must-have for you, then by all means get the new phone. But other than that, I don't see a compelling reason to buy one. The S21 Ultra is still an amazing phone even after a year. And honestly speaking, the design is so iconic, I would choose this over the S22U design anyday (based on all the leaks). But that is a highly subjective matter, so it's upto the buyer. If you can afford it and justify it, go for it. Life is short, do the things you enjoy
Not sure if it's worth but trying to beat the boredom of "life in the time of Covid" I went ahead with the reservation, aiming for the 'ultra'.
Hey, it's not a marriage - I can still send it back if I don't fall in love with it on the first sight.
I know the specs aren't that much better then the S21 ultra, but the s range has always been way cheaper in south africa then the note, so I would like to have the s pen, but it all depends on the price on contract
No, I won't be upgrading. First off there are very few improvements, nothing is innovative. Secondly there have been numerous problems in producing the Exynos/AMD SoC. Thirdly it will ship with Android 12 which to date is still plagued with numerous bugs. The S21 works much better on Android 11.
it happens to almost all phones.
i still own s10 plus, works perfectly
I also get the s21 ultra
tempteing to get s-pen th0
dezborders said:
If you REALLY miss the Note range with integral S-Pen slot then yes, maybe, and depending on price you can get selling your S21 Ultra
For all other reasons, NO the S22U is an S21U with an S-Pen slot and very few enhancements or upgrades over the 2021 models.
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Samsung is generous with trade-in, plus if you resever now, you save 50!
In south africa there is no trade in deals... Just the normal carrier deals... So, hopefully it won't be too expensive
Tbh I don't think it worth upgrading to the S22 Ultra, it's got to the point now where any improvements are only minor even the camera on the S22 Ultra will only be slightly better than the S21 Ultra, plus i wouldn't be surprised once One UI 4.1 hits the S21 Ultra these improvements are brought down from the S22 Ultra.
I've had my S21 Ultra since last July this has been hands down best phone I've ever owned from Samsung, & i've had practically most of the S range & Note's over the years, the only downside to keeping the S21 Ultra really will be waiting slightly longer for updates once the S22 series has launched.
So I'm going to keep enjoying my S21 Ultra until the S23 Ultra next year.
Will see how it goes and what offers and trade ins are available. I have always been an S series user but loved the Spen support on the Ultra. It is a beast and having got the 512gb 16gb ram I could run it another year or so without any hiccups given that I haven't used it to its full pontential due to Covid.
Only thing I am worried with the S22 Ultra is the 45 Fast Charging and the Crammed 5000mah battery which although welcome I am afraid it might have those 'burst into flames' issues samsung had and how the new amd graphics might come with its own issues with Android 12.
No doubt it will have even a more Awesome battery life compared to the S21 Ultra and better Spen support with bluetooth and stuff. I am sure with the New Expert Raw and the Spen Bluetooth functionality they will promote it as a mobile Photographers Dream phone not to mention the ease of editing with the Spen.
Have my options open and will see how it pans out.
Wouldnt want to be a guinea pig for SD 8 Gen1. New and unproven soc.
For S21 Ultra users, the trade in deal needs to be great, otherwise it is not worth the upgrade, simple as that imo
Thanks for everybody given their input....
New camera sensor for even more light/detail
New CPU with ray tracing and best GPU available (plus fastest multicore)
S-Pen with higher latency and accuracy than previous
Best screen on market with even more brightness
And hopefully flat display instead of waterfall wasteful curved screen (fingers crossed on this)
Pls upgrade is free to me, so it's a 'hell yeah' from me.
lywyn said:
New CPU with ray tracing and best GPU available (plus fastest multicore)
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torontocomfortzone said:
Samsung is generous with trade-in, plus if you resever now, you save 50!
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In the USA yes Samsung is ultra generous with trade-in. In UK not so much ...
Outside of US, ebay and FB Marketplace selling prices are much higher than trade in.
lywyn said:
New camera sensor for even more light/detail
New CPU with ray tracing and best GPU available (plus fastest multicore)
S-Pen with higher latency and accuracy than previous
Best screen on market with even more brightness
And hopefully flat display instead of waterfall wasteful curved screen (fingers crossed on this)
Pls upgrade is free to me, so it's a 'hell yeah' from me.
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"New CPU with ray tracing and best GPU available"
Samsung has experienced numerous production issues with the Exynos 2200 SoC. Out of an entire wafer only a few chipsets are functional. Raytracing is misleading since there are currently no apps capable of raytracing integration on smartphones. In Geekbench 5 tests the Exynos/AMD 2200 was out performed not only by the Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 but the Snapdragon 888 also. There may be a few good reasons to buy an S22 but hoping for a better SoC isn't one of them.
Exynos 2200 is even weaker than the Snapdragon 888
Exynos 2200 is even weaker than the Snapdragon 888. The new flagship chipset Samsung lost to all competitors.
www.google.com.mx
TheInfiniteAndroid said:
For S21 Ultra users, the trade in deal needs to be great, otherwise it is not worth the upgrade, simple as that imo
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It will probably be enough for the lower end ripoff 8GB version IF they do a trade-in
termdj said:
Hi... Currently I have the S21 Ultra and really enjoy the phone. I always wanted a note, but due to pricing in my country, I couldn't afford a note on contract. I have seen the specs for S22 ultra and is quite excited with the prospect of getting a s pen with the S22 ultra built in. I wasn't convinced to get s pen separately in a case for the S21 ultra. Will you upgrade/ who is exc2for the release of the S22 ultra
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Here's how it's going to sound...you would have read all the views here and it's mostly a no to the upgrade. But, this thread was a validation for your already made up mind to go ahead with the S22U. Comrade...don't sweat it...if your heart says goes for it..and you have the means for it...go ahead enjoy! As @enigmaamit said here... life's short..enjoy it to the fullest...Go ahead...take the leap of faith...
I am definitely looking forward to the S-Pen being built in. I do a lot of photo editing using my fat fingers so having the pressure-sensitive pen will save me a lot of "undo/redo" time.
The latest "leaked images" show the screen flatter without the curved edges and I like that clean look. I can upgrade for free with my network so I am ready to leap!