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S20FE or Mi 10T Pro?

As the title says, i'm looking to get a new Phone and can't really decide.
I'm getting the non-5G version in Germany, so for the S20, Exynos it is. I have the S10e now and never had major issues with that Exynos, so it's not really a downside for me.
I've had Xiaomi phones in the past and neither MIUI nor OneUI bother me.
It basically comes down to: I've had better luck with unlocking xiaomi phones (and this still seems to be true now), but the Samsung offers AMOLED. Both are high refreshrate. I don't care for cameras too much.
The xiaomi will be marginally cheaper (not by much). I just need a large phone to replace my S10e now and it really seems to be a toss up in this case. What would you choose? Maybe had experience with either of the phones?

domsch1988 said:
As the title says, i'm looking to get a new Phone and can't really decide.
I'm getting the non-5G version in Germany, so for the S20, Exynos it is. I have the S10e now and never had major issues with that Exynos, so it's not really a downside for me.
I've had Xiaomi phones in the past and neither MIUI nor OneUI bother me.
It basically comes down to: I've had better luck with unlocking xiaomi phones (and this still seems to be true now), but the Samsung offers AMOLED. Both are high refreshrate. I don't care for cameras too much.
The xiaomi will be marginally cheaper (not by much). I just need a large phone to replace my S10e now and it really seems to be a toss up in this case. What would you choose? Maybe had experience with either of the phones?
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You basically answered your question. If you don't mind too much about exynos and the difference in price is minimal, pick the S20 FE. You'll have the AMOLED and some extras like, IP68, Samsung PAY, DEX, and others.

Rick_BR said:
You basically answered your question. If you don't mind too much about exynos and the difference in price is minimal, pick the S20 FE. You'll have the AMOLED and some extras like, IP68, Samsung PAY, DEX, and others.
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Yeah wasn't sure how big the Exynos "penalty" was this generation. Seems Standby drain is higher from what i gathered. You're probably right as the screen is the most important thing on a phone. Since we're charging every day anyways...
I liked that the Mi10T is a bit bigger but i guess that's only noticable in direct comparison.

People really overestimate online on how much the exynos is behind of snapdragon. By notebookcheck's benches, it's barely -10% slower, but people also forget the 5G SD version is up to 150€ more expensive in some places, so you end up paying over 20% more for 10% performance.

Question Verizon S21 Ultra 512GB Sold Out everywhere

Trying to buy the Verizon S21 Ultra 512GB and it seems to be sold out everywhere,
Will these become available again soon on the Verizon site?

That's a Verizon Q.
Useless you need to replace now, waiting until the next model release might give you better options or a better price/deal on the 512 gb variant.
I'm not buying any of Samsung's latest offerings.
Between the hardware and Android 11 I'm not impressed. Still happy with my Note 10+ running fast, stable and functional on Pie.

Come on guys - enough of that -

It seems to be in stock stateside...
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No SD card support and another massive cam hump. Lame rounded display corners. No intergrated Spen with a huge price tag.
Maybe the best cam yet and intergrated 5G -may- mean it's not a battery hog like the 1st generation 5G.
5G performance is spotty at best and typical bandwidth increases are reportedly only 20%.
Fastest processor yet and fast memory but the OS is using scope storage which does eat up CPU/ram cycles for nothing.
It be a downgrade from my 10+ because of no SD card, Android's scope storage, its ugly form factor with no native spen which makes it a case nightmare. It's faster processor/ram/memory are nulled somewhat by the scope storage especially with office apps.
Not near good enough in my opinion especially at this price tag and lack of key features.
If I was the OP I would wait to see what unfolds.
The best models tend to be released near the end of the year.
At this point if I needed to replace my 10+ non 5G variant, I would go with the same model running on Pie.
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In other words I'm not impressed...
Sammy dropped the ball, again.

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Question Mi 11 Ultra. Worth bought over Mi 11?

Recently, I'm thinking to replace my S21 ultra with either Mi 11 or Mi 11 ultra. Since the price difference is pretty big between the two devices, My question is , specially for those who owned both devices, is the ultra worth spending that much bucks over the regular Mi 11? and what are the main things I will get if I buy the ultra over the regular one?
Thanks in advance

I think the main difference is the camera and the second screen on the rear. I can't see any reason to get any of the two coming from an S21 ultra

If you value photography, go with the Mi 11 Ultra. It can rival with the S21 Ultra. The Mi 11 is decent in terms of photos, but significantly worse than the S21 Ultra and Mi 11 Ultra.
That's basically all there is to it. If you don't care about photos then get the vanilla Mi 11, although it would be a step down from your Samsung.

Well
jericho246 said:
If you value photography, go with the Mi 11 Ultra. It can rival with the S21 Ultra. The Mi 11 is decent in terms of photos, but significantly worse than the S21 Ultra and Mi 11 Ultra.
That's basically all there is to it. If you don't care about photos then get the vanilla Mi 11, although it would be a step down from your Samsung.
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Well I do not care a lot about photography. I do care much about battery life, charging speed and performance. So is mi 11 ultra any much better in these terms over the mi 11 or the s21 ultra? also is there any other sacrifices I will be making if I change to any of those?

lordvoldmort said:
Well
Well I do not care a lot about photography. I do care much about battery life, charging speed and performance. So is mi 11 ultra any much better in these terms over the mi 11 or the s21 ultra? also is there any other sacrifices I will be making if I change to any of those?
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If you dont care about photography but you want a top phone buy the Mi 11 Pro not the Mi 11, it's almost the same than the Ultra but cheaper, Ultra is a bit more elitist and unique but the Pro is almost the same phone for around $200+ cheaper.

lordvoldmort said:
Recently, I'm thinking to replace my S21 ultra with either Mi 11 or Mi 11 ultra.....
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I presently own both the S21U (Exynos) and the Mi11U.
For me it's a close call between both devices with each one having strengths and weaknesses.
Camera : more capabilities in the Tele department on the S21U, also more consistent results and IMO the better "point&shoot". The Mi11U has significantly lower noise and the 5x is pretty good, but the main sensor has a much shallower depth-of-field making getting the correct focus difficult at times. On the other hand Samsung processing tends to oversharpen and kill fine details at times, but this has become much less pronounced with latest updates. All in all both are capable of getting really excellent images where it's difficult for me to name a winner.
Haptics: both are very solid devices (and heavy ones, too). The Mi11U is slightly more unbalanced due to the heavy top module, making it a bit more awkward when held for long time. FP reader is better on S21U (never thought I'd say that about a Samsung), the Mi11U is good but I've seen better and more reliable ones on other phones (e.g. OP 8Pro).
Displays: excellent on both, no big difference to my eye.
Performance: the Exynos is (for my taste) pretty close to the SD888, only slightly behind specifically with Graphics intense games. Overall excellent fluidity of the UI on both, a first time for a Samsung phone for my taste.
UI: clearly more customizability on MIUI, also better privacy options - for my taste. But this whole department is really very subjective....
Battery: for my light to medium usage pretty comparable on both, Standby is excellent on both. The faster charging on the Mi11U is very convenient and the only point where for me the S21U is really lacking (I use wireless charging exclusively BTW). When used heavily the Mi11U tends to drain a bit faster and get significantly warmer.
Just my 2 cents and sorry the lengthy text ,
Axel

s3axel said:
I presently own both the S21U (Exynos) and the Mi11U.
For me it's a close call between both devices with each one having strengths and weaknesses.
Camera : more capabilities in the Tele department on the S21U, also more consistent results and IMO the better "point&shoot". The Mi11U has significantly lower noise and the 5x is pretty good, but the main sensor has a much shallower depth-of-field making getting the correct focus difficult at times. On the other hand Samsung processing tends to oversharpen and kill fine details at times, but this has become much less pronounced with latest updates. All in all both are capable of getting really excellent images where it's difficult for me to name a winner.
Haptics: both are very solid devices (and heavy ones, too). The Mi11U is slightly more unbalanced due to the heavy top module, making it a bit more awkward when held for long time. FP reader is better on S21U (never thought I'd say that about a Samsung), the Mi11U is good but I've seen better and more reliable ones on other phones (e.g. OP 8Pro).
Displays: excellent on both, no big difference to my eye.
Performance: the Exynos is (for my taste) pretty close to the SD888, only slightly behind specifically with Graphics intense games. Overall excellent fluidity of the UI on both, a first time for a Samsung phone for my taste.
UI: clearly more customizability on MIUI, also better privacy options - for my taste. But this whole department is really very subjective....
Battery: for my light to medium usage pretty comparable on both, Standby is excellent on both. The faster charging on the Mi11U is very convenient and the only point where for me the S21U is really lacking (I use wireless charging exclusively BTW). When used heavily the Mi11U tends to drain a bit faster and get significantly warmer.
Just my 2 cents and sorry the lengthy text ,
Axel
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I'm trying to decide between these two. Samsung slightly ahead for local warranty + parts/servicing etc. Is the mi11u good enough to risk a grey import for, or would you pick the s21u? My priorities are camera and battery life.

lordvoldmort said:
Recently, I'm thinking to replace my S21 ultra with either Mi 11 or Mi 11 ultra. Since the price difference is pretty big between the two devices, My question is , specially for those who owned both devices, is the ultra worth spending that much bucks over the regular Mi 11? and what are the main things I will get if I buy the ultra over the regular one?
Thanks in advance
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I would probably keep the s21 ultra since the investment is already made
There is not much measurable improvements in the mi 11 ultra you will notice and the regular mi 11 would be a step down in almost every aspect except maybe charging speed which is partially negated by having a smaller battery size and worse cooling

flashkobalt said:
I'm trying to decide between these two. Samsung slightly ahead for local warranty + parts/servicing etc. Is the mi11u good enough to risk a grey import for, or would you pick the s21u? My priorities are camera and battery life.
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Sorry, I can't decide that for you All I can say is that I'm pretty torn between both and have a difficult time to decide which one has to go. And BTW I got the CN version of the Mi11U with 512GB
For me it boils down to better balance/feel in hand on the S21U plus versatility in the Zoom-cameras and the more consistent image results vs faster charging, less noise and the (for me) nicer UI on the Mi11U.
Another point is that the MI11U fully supports GCam and I think has in general a bit more room for improvement as its newer, the S21U only supports GCam for the UW/Wide lenses presently and it has already made big leaps ahead in the recent updates - no idea how much room is left for further improvements but I'd think the majority of what could be achieved has been done.
And some additional points I didn't mention so far:
Internal speakers on the Mi11U are better, have more "oopmh", on the other hand the earpiece during calls is a bit better on the S21U (louder and better clarity)....
USB-Speed is much faster on the S21U (USB3 vs USB2) - like 300 MBps vs 40Mbps
In general WIFI speed seems to be faster on the Mi11U as is radio reception - but don't expect huge differences

s3axel said:
Sorry, I can't decide that for you All I can say is that I'm pretty torn between both and have a difficult time to decide which one has to go. And BTW I got the CN version of the Mi11U with 512GB
For me it boils down to better balance/feel in hand on the S21U plus versatility in the Zoom-cameras and the more consistent image results vs faster charging, less noise and the (for me) nicer UI on the Mi11U.
Another point is that the MI11U fully supports GCam and I think has in general a bit more room for improvement as its newer, the S21U only supports GCam for the UW/Wide lenses presently and it has already made big leaps ahead in the recent updates - no idea how much room is left for further improvements but I'd think the majority of what could be achieved has been done.
And some additional points I didn't mention so far:
Internal speakers on the Mi11U are better, have more "oopmh", on the other hand the earpiece during calls is a bit better on the S21U (louder and better clarity)....
USB-Speed is much faster on the S21U (USB3 vs USB2) - like 300 MBps vs 40Mbps
In general WIFI speed seems to be faster on the Mi11U as is radio reception - but don't expect huge differences
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They really dropped the ball using usb2 on this phone , especially the 512gb version
Whatever they saved was likely pennies

i haven't held a sammy since the s8, i do not like the UI and while miui took some getting used to after my mate 20 pro i have come around and it's pretty slick. i'm not sure if it's android 11 or miui, but the app permissions thing is kinda killing me. the pics and video on the m11 ultra are pretty awesome, i've gotten compliments from iphone 12maxpro users...wow how do you take so much better pictures...lol

s3axel said:
I presently own both the S21U (Exynos) and the Mi11U.
For me it's a close call between both devices with each one having strengths and weaknesses.
Camera : more capabilities in the Tele department on the S21U, also more consistent results and IMO the better "point&shoot". The Mi11U has significantly lower noise and the 5x is pretty good, but the main sensor has a much shallower depth-of-field making getting the correct focus difficult at times. On the other hand Samsung processing tends to oversharpen and kill fine details at times, but this has become much less pronounced with latest updates. All in all both are capable of getting really excellent images where it's difficult for me to name a winner.
Haptics: both are very solid devices (and heavy ones, too). The Mi11U is slightly more unbalanced due to the heavy top module, making it a bit more awkward when held for long time. FP reader is better on S21U (never thought I'd say that about a Samsung), the Mi11U is good but I've seen better and more reliable ones on other phones (e.g. OP 8Pro).
Displays: excellent on both, no big difference to my eye.
Performance: the Exynos is (for my taste) pretty close to the SD888, only slightly behind specifically with Graphics intense games. Overall excellent fluidity of the UI on both, a first time for a Samsung phone for my taste.
UI: clearly more customizability on MIUI, also better privacy options - for my taste. But this whole department is really very subjective....
Battery: for my light to medium usage pretty comparable on both, Standby is excellent on both. The faster charging on the Mi11U is very convenient and the only point where for me the S21U is really lacking (I use wireless charging exclusively BTW). When used heavily the Mi11U tends to drain a bit faster and get significantly warmer.
Just my 2 cents and sorry the lengthy text ,
Axel
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But s21 have a lot of Updates about camera. Its 1y phone almost.
Mi11u with time will be better after few Updates.

i would not touch anything samsung with a stick after what they did to smartthings, they cant even make vaccum properly.
unfortunately after reading this thread i compared prices s21u.
why s21u is so much cheaper while having more ram?
is it exynos really that bad?
over $200 bad?

kaczyrezym said:
i would not touch anything samsung with a stick after what they did to smartthings, they cant even make vaccum properly.
unfortunately after reading this thread i compared prices s21u.
why s21u is so much cheaper while having more ram?
is it exynos really that bad?
over $200 bad?
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The Chinese Price is the only one I would pay for a xiaomi and that's the 12/512

lordvoldmort said:
Recently, I'm thinking to replace my S21 ultra with either Mi 11 or Mi 11 ultra. Since the price difference is pretty big between the two devices, My question is , specially for those who owned both devices, is the ultra worth spending that much bucks over the regular Mi 11? and what are the main things I will get if I buy the ultra over the regular one?
Thanks in advance
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I haven't used the Mi 11, but I have used the S21 Ultra and the Mi 11 Ultra is easily on par with the S21 Ultra.

kaczyrezym said:
i would not touch anything samsung with a stick after what they did to smartthings, they cant even make vaccum properly.
unfortunately after reading this thread i compared prices s21u.
why s21u is so much cheaper while having more ram?
is it exynos really that bad?
over $200 bad?
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That's regional.....

kaczyrezym said:
i would not touch anything samsung with a stick after what they did to smartthings, they cant even make vaccum properly.
unfortunately after reading this thread i compared prices s21u.
why s21u is so much cheaper while having more ram?
is it exynos really that bad?
over $200 bad?
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Giztop lists the current price for the Mi 11 Ultra 8/256 at $899 and the 12/256 at $999. The 12/512 version of the Mi 11 Ultra goes for $1099. Samsung lists the S21 Ultra at $1249.99 for 12/128. The S21 Ultra doesn't sound cheaper to me.

jim262 said:
Giztop lists the current price for the Mi 11 Ultra 8/256 at $899 and the 12/256 at $999. The 12/512 version of the Mi 11 Ultra goes for $1099. Samsung lists the S21 Ultra at $1249.99 for 12/128. The S21 Ultra doesn't sound cheaper to me.
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Check the China mi11u with 12/512 vs the 512gb s21u
Huge price difference when you want half a terrabyte of storage
And we get a 67w charger free, they have the option to buy a 25w charger separately!
Also most countries can only get the exynos which doesn't give the same value or working gcam

speedtripler said:
Check the China mi11u with 12/512 vs the 512gb s21u
Huge price difference when you want half a terrabyte of storage
And we get a 67w charger free, they have the option to buy a 25w charger separately!
Also most countries can only get the exynos which doesn't give the same value or working gcam
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I personally don't care about sub par, glitcy gcam, but I do care about SAVINGS!

jim262 said:
I personally don't care about sub par, glitcy gcam, but I do care about SAVINGS!
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SD over Exynos
Regardless of price!

Question Considering the S21 Ultra...any recent feedback welcome (USA)

Hello,
So as ATT plans to kill my Huawei Mate 20 x I am forced to change phones and well, there is really nothing big in the market aside from the fold 2 which I did not love.
So, I am considering the S21 Ultra at least to get a nice set of cameras with this forced upgrade.
How are you guys liking the phone...any recent feedback based on new firmware upgrades is welcome
Thanks

No SD card slot. That means no data drive or easy factory resets.
Rounded display corners ugly it up bad... a weak offering from Sammy.
Go with a used Note 10+512gb Snapdragon or a new Note 20U.
Drop dead gorgeous displays. A used 10+ in excellent condition can be had for $650 at B&H Photo, a trusted vendor.

The S21 Ultra, Hong Kong variant (SM-G9980, CSC - TGY) is a great option for a number of reasons. Snapdragon SoC, recieves updates directly from Samsung sooner than US branded devices, no carrier bloatware, dual sim's, unlocked bootloader, none of which are available on the AT&T device. If call features and a warranty are a priority buy AT&Ts device but without a MicroSD and only 256GB (200GB usable) consider if that works for you. AT&T doesn't offer the 512GB any longer but the Hong Kong device still does at select retailers.

We may be jumping to Tmobile since they have the Samsung buy one get one free deal. But looks like my phone WILL work on Tmobile so we may not even need to swap phones.

(Not a flex)
I've had the S10+, S10 5G, S20 Ultra and now S21 Ultra. I can confidently say I love the S21 Ultra and will be keeping this one. A bit annoyed there is no SD card but it's not a huge issue, just use Google drove to back up crucial files and no MST. Was nice to have but even where I live they are adding NFC everywhere.
100% recommend this phone. Fixed all the issues I had with the S20 Ultra. Updates have been good (except this month). Firmware updates have also ironed out the bugs

I traded in a rooted Note 20 Ultra for a stock S21 Ultra about three months ago and have zero regrets. I'm not a fan of the case selection for the Note series and don't care for the sharp corners or pen.

Misterxtc said:
I traded in a rooted Note 20 Ultra for a stock S21 Ultra about three months ago and have zero regrets. I'm not a fan of the case selection for the Note series and don't care for the sharp corners or pen.
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Zizo Bolt case for the Notes. Excellent protection and it enhances usability.
I rarely use the spen but there's no substitute when I need it.
Smart Select is great.
It's write on jpeg feature is fast and easy.
It's remote shutter release is very useful.
No SD card means you're boned when doing a factory reset especially if you have a large data base. It makes reloads needlessly awkward and time consuming at best.
It would take hours to reload my data base alone.
These phones now support 1tb cards, a Lexar .5 tb V30 cards are $65 now. An SD card slot is a no brainer if you use it as intended, as a data drive with a fast, high capacity SD card.
By storing copies of your apps and updates on the card you no longer need Playstore to load them after a reset. That saves time and ensures you get exactly the apps and version you want.

Misterxtc said:
I traded in a rooted Note 20 Ultra for a stock S21 Ultra about three months ago and have zero regrets. I'm not a fan of the case selection for the Note series and don't care for the sharp corners or pen.
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What was your experience with your rooted Note 20 Ultra? I just purchased a used Note 20 Ultra on eBay today and hope the bootloader is unlockable to possibly root. I use a rooted Note 8 running Oreo right now and, with the way I configured it, is an awesome phone. However, the processor sucks DragonBalls. Are there good rooted features on the Note 20 as there were for the Note 8?

Well, just to clarify, I have decided to go with the S21 Ultra if I need to upgrade my phone as I prefer it over what I saw from the Note 20 Ultra and others.

keep in mind that the S21 Ultras are plagued with a camera service wakelock that drains the battery whenever motion is detected so expect a drain if you will be moving a lot with the phone in your pocket. Still no fix from samsung but some custom ROMs have sort of addressed the issue to some extent.

shaolin95 said:
Well, just to clarify, I have decided to go with the S21 Ultra if I need to upgrade my phone as I prefer it over what I saw from the Note 20 Ultra and others.
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No buy one get one free on the Ultra, only the S21 base model with T-mobile's promotion.

varcor said:
No buy one get one free on the Ultra, only the S21 base model with T-mobile's promotion.
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I am Buying the Ultra and getting the regular one free for my wife.

shaolin95 said:
I am Buying the Ultra and getting the regular one free for my wife.
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Get a good case before you start carry it around. These phones wuv to corner hit and face plant... do not use without a case.

blackhawk said:
Get a good case before you start carry it around. These phones wuv to corner hit and face plant... do not use without a case.
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Yep always order cases and tempered glass for front and cameras for my phones
Thanks

Go for it amigo. You'll be happy.

I have had my s21 ultra 5g four 6 months now and I am extremely happy with it. I have the big boy 16 gigs mem and 512 gigs storage. I've had no prob with it.

i like it. i'm on att but I am running into possibly a bug or a problem with one or 2 of my apps where notifications from the app will wake the screen whether or not you have accidental touch protection on. super frustrating on that front but otherwise it's a solid phone in general.

shaolin95 said:
Hello,
So as ATT plans to kill my Huawei Mate 20 x I am forced to change phones and well, there is really nothing big in the market aside from the fold 2 which I did not love.
So, I am considering the S21 Ultra at least to get a nice set of cameras with this forced upgrade.
How are you guys liking the phone...any recent feedback based on new firmware upgrades is welcome
Thanks
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Love it, came from an Asus ROG Phone 2.

paul_cherma said:
keep in mind that the S21 Ultras are plagued with a camera service wakelock that drains the battery whenever motion is detected so expect a drain if you will be moving a lot with the phone in your pocket. Still no fix from samsung but some custom ROMs have sort of addressed the issue to some extent.
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Wait what ??? Got any links with more details about this ?

techbrutha said:
What was your experience with your rooted Note 20 Ultra? I just purchased a used Note 20 Ultra on eBay today and hope the bootloader is unlockable to possibly root. I use a rooted Note 8 running Oreo right now and, with the way I configured it, is an awesome phone. However, the processor sucks DragonBalls. Are there good rooted features on the Note 20 as there were for the Note 8?
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Sorry for the late response. The only thing I miss with a rooted Samsung phone is ad blocking options. Other than that having a borked phone that can't be updated properly is not appealing to me. I'll go to the Pixel line if I want root in the future but for now I'm content with my Ultra.

Question How many are trading in for the Fold 3?

I'd really love to if the camera wasn't a step down.
As of now I can't do it.

Even I have an S21 (so the camera is not much of a step down) the Fold 3 comes with other disadvantages that make it unappealing: more bulky, less resistant screen, less overall mechanical durability (mostly because of the hinge), price, most apps are not taking advantage of the big screen.

A Note will likely be released in 2022... they have a much better track record.

Flip 3 is much nicer than that brick.

I was so eagerly awaiting the fold 3 that I sold my S21 Ultra before the zfold3 release. I was stuck using my iPhone 12 PM for over a month. Now when I found out the price was $2608 CAD after taxes so I ended up re-buying an open box s21 ultra for $950, a 256GB Zflip3 for $1528 and a Galaxy watch 4 classic for $344 with the $200 rebate. I'll recoup the $208 difference when I sell my almost new Galaxy watch 3.
At that price I simply can't justify the zfold3 with its 2019 camera system. At least with the flip I can play with it for a while and gift it to my wife later.
The S21 ultra is simply the best phone out there for the moment. I'll probably buy the Pixel 6 pro too and the iPhone 13
But the Zfold3 gets a pass this year. Maybe next year...

Trading in an s21u for a fold 3 is a pretty foolish decision. See Mr. WHosetheboss's review on it on youtube.
The phone is cool but not that cool.

The Fold 3 doesn't seem to be a good value at $1800.00 (256GB), $1,900.00 (512GB) USD plus tax for the features on or not on the device. 4400 mAh Battery for a very large and brighter display, 25W Charging, So-So Cameras, Snapdragon 888 SoC is the same as the S21. Then consider you'll always have a crease down the center of the display. Samsung is offering generous trade-in promotions but those didn't work on the
S21 in worldwide sales. Difficult to imagine Samsung's stated goal to increase sales 3 times more than the Fold 2 is realistic. Bottom line, not enough phone for the $$$.