Just tried a slow motion video and it looks like it has a ton of dropped frame issues or micro pauses. Has anyone else seen this or is it a known issue?
rendez2k said:
Just tried a slow motion video and it looks like it has a ton of dropped frame issues or micro pauses. Has anyone else seen this or is it a known issue?
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Yes, any recording below 4K is crap on this phone. You will notice frame drops even with super steady mode also.
krkdesigns said:
Yes, any recording below 4K is crap on this phone. You will notice frame drops even with super steady mode also.
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Wonderful! What's the reason? Do we know it it will be fixed?
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Wonderful! What's the reason? Do we know it it will be fixed?
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This mostly happens with Exynos series of phones. Although some improvements have been made since the first update, camera still fails considerably. Noise and frame drops are something which is unacceptable. We just have to create more noise for Samsung to notice and work on an update. I don't think this phone is what they said it is.
We just have to wait for next update. No wonder samsung s20 ultra scored better than S21 Ultra in camera ratings.
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This mostly happens with Exynos series of phones. Although some improvements have been made since the first update, camera still fails considerably. Noise and frame drops are something which is unacceptable. We just have to create more noise for Samsung to notice and work on an update. I don't think this phone is what they said it is.
We just have to wait for next update. No wonder samsung s20 ultra scored better than S21 Ultra in camera ratings.
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Yep, definitely related to the Exynos phones. I haven't had any issues with my camera app using any of the different settings or modes available. But I do have the SD888 version of the phone...
NippleSauce said:
Yep, definitely related to the Exynos phones. I haven't had any issues with my camera app using any of the different settings or modes available. But I do have the SD888 version of the phone...
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Drives me mad that there's two different versions of the phone that cause performance issues. Why not just put SD in them all or make their own chip work?!
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Drives me mad that there's two different versions of the phone that cause performance issues. Why not just put SD in them all or make their own chip work?!
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Agreed. Luckily enough, just after they had released this phone, they had admitted to their current chip having a few issues due to their manufacturing process and that their next generation Exynos chip won't have such issues anymore... So if we're lucky, that'll be in the S23 Ultra.
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Yes, any recording below 4K is crap on this phone. You will notice frame drops even with super steady mode also.
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That anything below 4k is crap thing depends on what lens/camera you are using, 1080p 30fps is the only remotely usable one on the exynos version in low light if you are using wide angle lens. Check this out:
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That anything below 4k is crap thing depends on what lens/camera you are using, 1080p 30fps is the only remotely usable one on the exynos version in low light if you are using wide angle lens. Check this out:
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I have tested this phone camera rigorously. I don't think 1080p works good in either lens or mode. Slow motion and super slow motion should be removed because its useless. 4k 60 Fps is the only stable video we can take on this phone.
rendez2k said:
Just tried a slow motion video and it looks like it has a ton of dropped frame issues or micro pauses. Has anyone else seen this or is it a known issue?
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Hm just tried a slow motion video on my exynos version, no stutters at all. Recorded the fan of my PC rotating and moved the camera a bit, no hickups or stutter to be seen. German AUBB.
This was mine yesterday:
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Firmware is up to date i guess? And it does this consistently with all slomo videos you record?
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Firmware is up to date i guess? And it does this consistently with all slomo videos you record?
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Tried a few and all the same.
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I have Exyons version. The slow motion is so smooth and there is no frame drop.
However the quality is crap in slow motion and tbh the whole video recording is not that good and has noise.
Portait video is good.
Khalid Madkour said:
I have Exyons version. The slow motion is so smooth and there is no frame drop.
However the quality is crap in slow motion and tbh the whole video recording is not that good and has noise.
Portait video is good.
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Yes, the recording quality is of no use. Especially if there's lowlight it's almost useless. Hyperlapse also has significant noise. I don't understand if people who are saying the quality is good actually get better videos or they are coming from a previous gen phone which was even worst.
No offense to anyone. But I am just so unhappy with this phone after having paid so much and Samsung portraying the phone as a beast. Its still a kitty cat.
If you have frame drops and etc, consider updating to the latest firmware. If your phone still does it after the latest firmware, then it must be deffective and you have to return it ASAP.
Additionally, I have noticed that if you turn off the Image Stabilization in the camera settings under video options, the whole noise thing becomes much better for normal recording. While it still seems to be somehow stabilizing :O
P.S. I do not mean only the supersteady option. Both have to be OFF. Please test it and share your feedback here so if it works, others can benefit from this as well.
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Hi everyone
Not got my N4 yet, ordered yesterday though.
Found this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XraA3-8t2M4&feature=relmfu
Looks a bit better than it used to be. Can anyone who actually already has one of these confirm the smoothness of 1080p video capture?
Yup the latest OTA had a fix for the camera.
That does seem a lot less janky than before - I'll be recording at 720p anyway as I have an 8GB Nexus on the way. If that's the speed of 1080p, I'm very optimistic about 720p with the OTA.
It was NEVER an issue.
The app used the wrong camera mode that locked to 22fps.
The sensor itself is capable.
Picture doesn't look bad, but the sound quality is appalling...
Shodney said:
Picture doesn't look bad, but the sound quality is appalling...
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Yet on other videos the audio sounds amazing, unless they are shooting the video with the N4 and recording their voice with a professional mic outside which seems hightly unlikely
im glad it doesnt have that iphone disease where it looks WAVY
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im glad it doesnt have that iphone disease where it looks WAVY
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Im sure you can turn that feature off? Im using iPhone 4 atm waiting for my N4 and its fine
Also, YouTube has a feature where it does video stabilization which makes still images wavy..
Question guys - to enable you to slow certain scenes in a video you need to select the slow motion video scene...fair enough.
Should this in turn reduce the quality of the video?
I could be wrong, but before I went to a custom ROM, I am fairly sure the video quality remained the same as normal. Now as soon as I record in slow motion, it reduces the quality.
bleary said:
Question guys - to enable you to slow certain scenes in a video you need to select the slow motion video scene...fair enough.
Should this in turn reduce the quality of the video?
I could be wrong, but before I went to a custom ROM, I am fairly sure the video quality remained the same as normal. Now as soon as I record in slow motion, it reduces the quality.
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hello there
yes it will reduce the quality ...
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I noticed that too with mine. Horrible isn't it? You also get reduced quality with 60fps. You get verticals lines. I gave up and stuck to 30fps.
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I noticed that too with mine. Horrible isn't it? You also get reduced quality with 60fps. You get verticals lines. I gave up and stuck to 30fps.
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I also have this problem vertical line appear in indoor environment. However, customer service told me this will be fix in next update.
Slow Motion = Low Resolution
I saw that HTC video doing a slow motion video of a man doing fire/flame stunt. Actually I was amazed and got excited that I wanted to try that Slow motion on my own with something else like a sprinkler maybe.
So I found one at a park and as soon as I started shooting the video (slow motion video under video settings) WTH!!!! The resolution dropped to something like 768x432 and its a bite pixellated, not true HD (1080p) which I thought I'd expect just like from the HTC video... Yes you can trim/edit the video that's cool but I was hoping for 1080p HD quality
I hoped HTC would come with an update that can maximize its camera features up to 1080p resolution. oh well..
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I saw that HTC video doing a slow motion video of a man doing fire/flame stunt. Actually I was amazed and got excited that I wanted to try that Slow motion on my own with something else like a sprinkler maybe.
So I found one at a park and as soon as I started shooting the video (slow motion video under video settings) WTH!!!! The resolution dropped to something like 768x432 and its a bite pixellated, not true HD (1080p) which I thought I'd expect just like from the HTC video... Yes you can trim/edit the video that's cool but I was hoping for 1080p HD quality
I hoped HTC would come with an update that can maximize its camera features up to 1080p resolution. oh well..
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Well I guess is impossible because the Snapdragon 600 doesn't support the record of 1080p videos at 120fps :\
I'm on stock 4.2.2 and I've recorded this slow motion clip a week ago (don't forget to turn on HD when viewing it). The quality seems fine to me.
Yeah. The quality is awfull. The slow motion video from the the device with the man in the night eith fire from his mouth is years ahead bettrr than the ones we can record... But why HTC ?!
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some info on this please?
hello guys. i'm sorry for this little derailing question but it was the only thread i found:
i'm currently digging into slo-mo available in latest phones.
i just saw some HTC ONE samples and i was very disappointed from the low resolution.
i was particularly impressed with the new Iphone 5S 120 FPS real 720P feature. it really looks 720 and not upscaled like the fake 720p NOTE 3 slo-mo. however i cannot use iphone anymore due to the small screen.
so from this thread i gather the faster frame limitation is by the processor itself? (snapdragon 600-800? what's the 720P limit?)
i am willing to wait until an Android phone will have a usable 720 slo-mo..
so what hardware could provide this? as i can see nowdays, the latest android phones cannot do it (not the NOTE 3 or the G2 which doesn't even have slo-mo to begin with).
my choice now are either wait for a phone that will (maybe the next HTC?), or wait till apple make a bigger phone (cannot stand the small screen).
your thoughts on this?
thanks.
I'm getting some seriously nasty bars during slow motion recording (I attached a screen shot which isn't as bad but when it's a video the bars move all around and are very distracting) Anyone seeing the same thing or am I looking at a defective phone? I already swapped out phones yesterday due to a stuck pixel, but best buy has been very easy about it thus far. Just wanting to see if this is hardware or software, thanks!
Yep, exactly the same here. Gets worse the more the sensor gain ramps up.
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Yep, exactly the same here. Gets worse the more the sensor gain ramps up.
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Checked the sprint store demo and a best buy demo, All the same. Must be a low light issue. Oh well, Guess most of the time the feature will be used in the daylight (although this may be a bad thing when trying to slow mo some epic beer pong matches)
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Checked the sprint store demo and a best buy demo, All the same. Must be a low light issue. Oh well, Guess most of the time the feature will be used in the daylight (although this may be a bad thing when trying to slow mo some epic beer pong matches)
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Figures, seems like it would be a hardware issue, but maybe there will be some magic firmware update that will help.
Most serious hd cameras require a lot of light, so this should be no surprise when recording show motion videos. Just be sure to have adequate lighting in the future
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I haven't looked closely at the example yet otherwise I would have put my 2 cents in earlier.
I work a lot with cameras and know them very well. One thing to keep in mind is cmos sensors don't expose every pixel at the same time. This causes what is known as the jello effect when you move quickly left and right. This can also cause what is known as rolling shutter. I believe this is caused by the shutter speed in combination with the way cmos sensors work. When I get back from this weekend trip, I'll see what is going on.
At work I have a professional Sony video camera with a backlit cmos sensor. If I drop the shutter speed down too low to help when it's too dark, especially around fluorescent lights, I get brown bars rolling across the image. It's just a physical limitation of the sensor no matter the camera. Some hide it better than others. I hope this helps clear this up.
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This is nothing like traditional noise caused by high sensor gain in low light. We're talking dense horizontal lines only in slow motion recording, which I'm guessing is 120fps? 60 fps mode works fine. I've seen examples of slow motion video recorded by the euro version in low light that didn't have this problem.
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This is nothing like traditional noise caused by high sensor gain in low light. We're talking dense horizontal lines only in slow motion recording, which I'm guessing is 120fps? 60 fps mode works fine. I've seen examples of slow motion video recorded by the euro version in low light that didn't have this problem.
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That doesn't eliminate it as a cause. The example you saw could have been in better lighting conditions than you thought, or the euro edition might have had older firmware that didn't let the ISO go as high (thus, the whole image would appear much darker, but less noise).
120fps slow motion means the camera has to use at least 120th of a second for a shutter speed. This is relatively fast for a smartphone camera, so it has to bump up the ISO to compensate. If the light is especially low, it will have to move all the way to the upper bounds of its ISO capability to get a usable image. Meanwhile, a 60fps video will have MUCH more time (2x is a lot of time) to grab light, and so it doesn't need to force the ISO so high.
It's extremely unlikely that a firmware update will solve this issue. All they could do is just force the camera not to use that high ISO setting, resulting in slow motion videos that are too dark instead of too noisy.
(Also, BTW, this has nothing to do with the jello effect)
How do you do slow motion video recording? When I have the video camera on, there aren't any menu options available.
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(Also, BTW, this has nothing to do with the jello effect)
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Thanks for adding. I hadn't had a chance to even look at the example posted but felt like it should be addressed by someone. I'm out in the middle of nowhere right now, video streaming isn't always going to work well here.
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Vincent Law said:
That doesn't eliminate it as a cause. The example you saw could have been in better lighting conditions than you thought, or the euro edition might have had older firmware that didn't let the ISO go as high (thus, the whole image would appear much darker, but less noise).
120fps slow motion means the camera has to use at least 120th of a second for a shutter speed. This is relatively fast for a smartphone camera, so it has to bump up the ISO to compensate. If the light is especially low, it will have to move all the way to the upper bounds of its ISO capability to get a usable image. Meanwhile, a 60fps video will have MUCH more time (2x is a lot of time) to grab light, and so it doesn't need to force the ISO so high.
It's extremely unlikely that a firmware update will solve this issue. All they could do is just force the camera not to use that high ISO setting, resulting in slow motion videos that are too dark instead of too noisy.
(Also, BTW, this has nothing to do with the jello effect)
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The euro demo was in CONSIDERABLY worse lighting, without question. I don't have time to look for it now, but it's on Youtube.
The Euro version just got an official update regarding several problems. It also included a low light slomotion video upgrade
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I'm getting a stuck blue pixel when taking photos in low light... is anyone else experiencing this? The blue pixel is showing up in the actual photo taken, so I'm assuming it's a problem with the sensor.
Daylight photos aren't exhibiting this behavior.
Your friends are never going to believe what you did. The only way to prove it to them is with that video you took. Rate this thread to express how videos shot on the HTC 10 come out. A higher rating indicates that videos are smooth (and not choppy) and that auto-focus works very well, and that the camera adjusts quickly to different lighting conditions while recording.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
We don't have 60fps recording. I hope HTC will include it in future updates...
I've tested two HTC 10 - in both cases, videos are choppy, especially during horizontal movement, and high-contrast scenes. I was even sure, that my HTC 10 is broken somehow, but then I get another one, and it works exactly the same. Here you can check it out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FZSbiOqJEA I'm very disappointed.
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I've tested two HTC 10 - in both cases, videos are choppy, especially during horizontal movement, and high-contrast scenes. I was even sure, that my HTC 10 is broken somehow, but then I get another one, and it works exactly the same. Here you can check it out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FZSbiOqJEA I'm very disappointed.
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yup, same exact issue I am dealing with..very disapppointed
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I have exactly the same choppy video issue and I thought it was because of the 200gb micro SD CARD I formatted as adoptable storage. I removed the sd card and shot some videos.Same issue. I checked another phone and it had the same issue again. I don't know if there is a work around solution, but I seriously hope its just software and can be fixed in an update.
I Love the Soundquality of the Videos! You can go to concerts or Partys first Row and still hear everything on the video.
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My cam is not choppy. So must been a software update if you all had this problem..
But at least it's good now
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I've tested two HTC 10 - in both cases, videos are choppy, especially during horizontal movement, and high-contrast scenes. I was even sure, that my HTC 10 is broken somehow, but then I get another one, and it works exactly the same. Here you can check it out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FZSbiOqJEA I'm very disappointed.
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this also happens to me but only in full hd mode.4k works fine.
Video on HTC 10 is a disgrace. It has video stabilisation like iPhone 4. It is so bad that I take iPhone 6 whenever I want to make video. Completely unusable option on this phone. My friends S7 Edge videos makes my phone look like junk.
2160p recording has low contrast and a noticeable amount of noise around the edges. I'm happy with it but I've seen better.
HTC 10 is very very good in extremely low light, with modded camera library and Freedcam.
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Default setting for video stabilisation is enabled. Anyone disable it? If so, what are your reasons for doing so?
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Default setting for video stabilisation is enabled. Anyone disable it? If so, what are your reasons for doing so?
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It crops in when enabled, basically you get less view in the frame as it stabilizes the video.
I keep mine off to fit more in the frame as I don't walk around much while doing so and hold the phone steady in hand.
For a much wider view, remain in photo mode and hold the shutter button to record video. You get the full ultra wide view to record though you can't switch lenses and it's at a lower resolution.
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It crops in when enabled, basically you get less view in the frame as it stabilizes the video.
I keep mine off to fit more in the frame as I don't walk around much while doing so and hold the phone steady in hand.
For a much wider view, remain in photo mode and hold the shutter button to record video. You get the full ultra wide view to record though you can't switch lenses and it's at a lower resolution.
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I don't get any cropping with it enabled. However, I can definitely tell the difference in "stability" between enabled and disabled when I take a video while eg. purposefully jumping around.
Just to confirm, you are using S21 Ultra with April update?
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I don't get any cropping with it enabled. However, I can definitely tell the difference in "stability" between enabled and disabled when I take a video while eg. purposefully jumping around.
Just to confirm, you are using S21 Ultra with April update?
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There is a small amount of cropping. You might not be seeing it due to the aspect ratio you are using.
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There is a small amount of cropping. You might not be seeing it due to the aspect ratio you are using.
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There was cropping on the S7 and S9+ that I previously used, and also I'm pretty sure I noticed it prior to April update on S21 Ultra. But with April update, I don't notice any cropping at all.
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Default setting for video stabilisation is enabled. Anyone disable it? If so, what are your reasons for doing so?
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I never use it at all. as it reduce the quality significantly which is unacceptable for me and makes it a useless function.
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There was cropping on the S7 and S9+ that I previously used, and also I'm pretty sure I noticed it prior to April update on S21 Ultra. But with April update, I don't notice any cropping at all.
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Well im also on the April update and there's definitely about 20% cropping...
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There was cropping on the S7 and S9+ that I previously used, and also I'm pretty sure I noticed it prior to April update on S21 Ultra. But with April update, I don't notice any cropping at all.
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Do you have a theory of how the phone can stabilize video without cropping?
Another thought - you can never recover the portion of the video that is cropped off, you will always miss those details that would have been captured if not for the cropping. However, you can always use a video editor to apply video stabilization after the fact, and judge whether it's worth cropping in.
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Do you have a theory of how the phone can stabilize video without cropping?
Another thought - you can never recover the portion of the video that is cropped off, you will always miss those details that would have been captured if not for the cropping. However, you can always use a video editor to apply video stabilization after the fact, and judge whether it's worth cropping in.
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Sadly, usually stabilization in editing can often ruin the video. Especially WARP in Premiere. But indeed pre-cropping loses detail. Nothing is perfect.
I also was baffled when I realized that having the initial stabilization option ON, crops the image. I thought that the OIS was managing to do the job without cropping. I guess limited understanding is at fault.
Regardless, the ultimate solution to have stable video and maximum detail is having a Gimbal. As of this point China has a plethora to offer for like 50euros on average.
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Well im also on the April update and there's definitely about 20% cropping...
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Are you using SD or Exynos? I'm on Exynos, and as I said, I did notice this cropping before. Now I can't reproduce it anymore! However, I can easily tell the difference between stabilisation On/Off by eg. running/jumping up and down while recording video. When off, it's really quite jerky. While with it enabled, it's surprisingly stable.
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Are you using SD or Exynos? I'm on Exynos, and as I said, I did notice this cropping before. Now I can't reproduce it anymore! However, I can easily tell the difference between stabilisation On/Off by eg. running/jumping up and down while recording video. When off, it's really quite jerky. While with it enabled, it's surprisingly stable.
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Exynos here too buddy.. When you tested the cropping vs stabilization, did you use exactly the same settings as me?
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Exynos here too buddy.. When you tested the cropping vs stabilization, did you use exactly the same settings as me?
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Sorry my mistake. I was looking for crop the wrong way. Yes cropping still exists with stabilisation on.
It's a pity there's no shortcut button to enable and disable while in viewfinder? If recording while eg. walking, stabilisation really makes a big difference. Otherwise I agree, I prefer it disabled overall.
For the S7 (and I think S9+), I actually disabled video stabilisation as I didn't think it actually had any noticeable benefits, and it tended to cause more "micro-jitters". For S21 Ultra, it seems to do a pretty good job at stabilising though.
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Well im also on the April update and there's definitely about 20% cropping...
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Oh, I didnt ever notice that, lol. I never take stabilization off, but I'll try later with and without.
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Oh, I didnt ever notice that, lol. I never take stabilization off, but I'll try later with and without.
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Yes, and just to clarify, you can test it by switching from "Photo" mode to "Video" mode, while using the same aspect ratio for both.
Your photos with examples helped me thank you
Can someone give me S21 Ultra stock camera apk