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Microsoft and HTC both agree on XDA-Developers "We can't live with 'em and we can't live without 'em
According to tweakers.net (dutch), a very popular and more important, trustworthy Dutch IT website.http://forum.xda-developers.com/
XDA-Developers breaches intellectual property laws regarding ROM Cooking.
However Microsoft and HTC both agree "We can't live with 'em and we can't live without 'em."
Microsoft will not send take down orders to sites such as XDA-Developers, who offer customized ROMs for windows-mobile telephone.
Some sites offering ROMs based on Windows Mobile 6.5 got take down orders last week. They, However, appeared to be hoax.
“Taking action against sites such as XDA-Developers isn’t a matter of concern for Microsoft” says Maarten Sonneveld of Microsoft Netherlands against tweakers.net. “What happens there, the modifying of ROMs, is illegal. The intellectual property however is not with us. The ROMs are intellectual property of the producers of the phone or the mobile phone providers if it concerns branded telephones. We simple only deliver the OS.”
The biggest producer of Windows Mobile-phones, HTC, also says they don’t have any plans to take action against ROM sites. “What happens there isn’t allowed” says HTC Benelux-CEO Mark Moons,
“But XDA-Developers is the biggest and most active community of Windows Mobile-developers. We can’t live with ‘em and we can’t live without ‘em.”
Last week it seemed there were to come an end to tolerating Windows Mobile-communities.
A certain ‘James Young’ sent emails on behalf of Microsoft to site managers in which he stated that they were sharing illegal content, and summoned them to stop their practices; some site managers, in fact, did this.
It mostly concerned ROMs with betas of Windows Mobile 6.5, the update of Microsoft’s Mobile OS that should appear this summer

Haha nice one

Nice, but doesn't come much as a surprise. This community is the only reason Windows Mobile is still competitive. And Microsoft knows it. Besides that, why should they bother? Other than on the desktop PC, the phone hardware is quite limited without proper drivers WM won't run on phones which weren't supposed to run it in the first place. So Microsoft sold their license, HTC (or any other manufacturer) bought it and end of story. They have absolutly no disadvantage when ppl start cooking ROMs - in the contrary. I can't even begin to image using my X1 or any other WM-phone without the customization options presented here. Without them, I wouldn't have bought another WM-phone and become a WM-fan ... ;-)

Read this on tweakers.net yesterday, don't know if we should be happy about this statement.
But it seems xda-developers is going to be watched carefully by MS and HTC, probably has been already.
Until the take serious actions against this community I'm going to flash my X1 with Touch-IT ROMs as many as possible

I would say Microsoft and HTC is the winners here. The ROM cooking means more people is attracted to the platform and for me the reason I bough the X1 was this community.

Rather than moaning, HTC and Microsoft should make donations to XDADevs because this community is one of the main reasons why both of them rose to unforeseen heights.

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Rather than moaning, HTC and Microsoft should make donations to XDADevs because this community is one of the main reasons why both of them rose to unforeseen heights.
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Totally agree with u lolz

E90 Commie said:
I would say Microsoft and HTC is the winners here. The ROM cooking means more people is attracted to the platform and for me the reason I bough the X1 was this community.
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i bought my htc wizard and SE x1 because of xda-developers.if they shut rom sites down i ll never buy windows mobile device that's for sure.my phone is my home so i ll decide how will i decorate my home not microsoft.cheers

Yeah i've read that also (im dutch and visit that site 3 times a day or so )
I think that htc says "MAKE NICE ROMS XDA, or else we will.....)

I'll add my 2 pennies worth...
I'm not a cook, though I sorely wish I were! However, thanks to XDA developers, I've had WM phones for the past 5 years, up until Blue Angel I *only* would have Nokia phones, but I was given the Blue Angel as a present and hated it. I then accidentally found XDA when I was going to sell the Blue Angel and was looking for a way to unlock the sim. Figuring I had nothing to lose as I hated the phone anyway, I put a new rom on and fell in love! Since then, I've had every HTC phone and just recently went to the Xperia *ONLY* because of this website. If XDA wasn't here, I would have gotten the N96 or a Blackberry.
So, for what it is worth MS and HTC if you're reading... Leave XDA alone, support it where you can, and be happy for the generosity of this community for making the product you produce better and more usable!

the only reason I got rid of my Omina and went back to a HTC made pda was because of the support and options that I can find here, good move from microsoft however I suspect microsoft as always turned a blind eye to a degree (remember the fpt problems?)

Cool. This is a pretty big community of developers.

James Joung lives here in my neighbourhood
Now I understand why he has spent the whole week laughing

Well,
if it wern't for XDA developers, when I got my Orange c500 (Back in the day) that would have been the last WM phone I bought.
Since then ive had:
Orange c550
Orance c600
MDA Vario
HTC TYTN
HTC Touch Diamond
Sony Xperia X1
goes to show the value of XDA... if anything, I think Microsoft, HTC etc should jump on the band wagon and help chefs get the best out of WM, or at least, some kind of formal agreement should be attained to help protect the community

can't live without them(xda),hehe.. htc and microsoft should donate to support xda !

gtrab said:
James Joung lives here in my neighbourhood
Now I understand why he has spent the whole week laughing
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Maybe he was laughing because his CEO, told him that if he will try to touch this site, he will have to fill up for unemployment... This site have 41,159 members (ONLY ) and allmost all of us, we own between 2-4 HTC pda phones. If HTC will loose us, I guess that they will show the middle finger to Microsoft and they will stick with Android from the time on...

To be honest in that perverse way MS has BENEFITTED from 'Piracy' etc. throughout their history. Take Office for example - way back in the day Lotus and Wordperfect were the dominant market forces. MS were trying to force their way into the market wth their Office products. In the end they blew away the competition - how? Because their media had no copy protection - thus Office Workers ended up getting copies from work to put on their home PCs to carry on extra work at home. The others had copy protection.
MS turned a blind eye to this because they knew that the more people had Office, the more they would want it in their workplace - so much so that in the end how many companies use those products anymore? Now that they are the dominant force, Piracy is an issue.
It is the same with sites like XDA-Devs. The mobile phone market is huge and will get bigger even in these times. WinMo is still a small part of that market - Nokia and Symbian undoubtably have an edge here. However people are becoming more savvy about mobiles and want more from them which is where MS, RIM, and Apple come in (with an improving Symbian).
However if all the consumers had to rely on was 'Stock' ROMs and buggy WinMo (esp. when consumers will compare it to the iPhone etc.) then WinMo would have nowehere near the amount of consumers, and would die a slow death. However thanks to XDA-Devs (and sites like these) we can buy these phones confident that some super talented Cook will provide us with a ROM that will get us the full experience of these devices. Hence we will then buy the next generation, then the next etc.
MS and HTC know this - hence why they can't 'live without 'em'. No point cutting off your nose to spite your face eh?....

@itje
after reading the good news.. please bring back your Touch-IT WM 6.5 project rom.. hehe =)

damskie said:
@itje
after reading the good news.. please bring back your Touch-IT WM 6.5 project rom.. hehe =)
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He just did, and posted the new ROM for download.
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[OFF-TOPIC] Xperia T(L)(X) Users Hangout Lounge

Hey,
I created this thread because I enjoyed a very similar thread back in the day I owned my Desire S (still visit it quite often, the thread has +1300 replies (!) ). It serves to reduce the ammount of off-topicness between the (development / other) threads, also to have a laugh and ask some questions regarding various subjects. Young or old, noob or developer; everyone's welcome.
Feel free to talk and troll about anything, aslong as it's within the Forum Rules
Let's go.

I'll start.
So who else among here haven't had any Apple products in your family. I do.
My Miss has a One x, daughter has Xperia P, and the youngest has Asus TF300 tab. We're an android fan family. No Mac for us as well, 2 desktop Windows PC in the house.
And yes I guess I'm old for xda, I'm already on my thirties and I think some of you here are as young as my kids.
Tapatalked from my bricked TX

No Apple products here too!

My family are apple and blackberry unfortunately, the only reason my mum has android is I donated her my old zte blade
Only 19 years of age here, I'm probably on the younger side of most people around here

Well I got a Mrs who can't tell me why she wanted a iPhone.
Me - so what features do you want?
Mrs - an iPhone so I can have apps and stuff like that, and a web browser.
Me - ummm what about a decent andriod phone.
Mrs - why do I want a robot I want a phone.
That's what I'm up against.
My sons both have my HTC's that I have owned.
Sent from my LT30p using xda premium

My ex gf wanted an iPhone when I first met her, then she saw that my Xperia X10 (when it was new haha) and realised that iOS sucks worse than 1.6 donut, she then got a Desire HD and was rocking ICS (PA, CM9 etc...) All her typical 'iPhone is the best' friends were amazed of how it looked and all the features, she now has SGSIII. It amazed me of how an OTT price tag gives people the impression that iPhone is by far the best.
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My wife wanted an iPhone :banghead: but I persuaded her to get an Android, now my daughter had an Android for her phone, plus two Android tablets, mine and my wife's and two windows laptops. Thank god there's no maggot ridden apples in my house lol
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djpbx said:
Hey,
I created this thread because I enjoyed a very similar thread back in the day I owned my Desire S (still visit it quite often, the thread has +1300 replies (!) ). It serves to reduce the ammount of off-topicness between the (development / other) threads, also to have a laugh and ask some questions regarding various subjects. Young or old, noob or developer; everyone's welcome.
Feel free to talk and troll about anything, aslong as it's within the Forum Rules
Let's go.
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Those were good days indeed. Good to see you in here! Waiting on a HTC One X though. Just couldn't resist!

wnp_79 said:
Those were good days indeed. Good to see you in here! Waiting on a HTC One X though. Just couldn't resist!
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Good to see you again as well
The one X is also a truely a brilliant device, some of my friends have it and I hear no-one complaining except for having to flash a boot.img every time they flash a rom. I just bought the XT so I'll probably be around here for 1,5 years or more .

djpbx said:
Good to see you again as well
The one X is also a truely a brilliant device, some of my friends have it and I hear no-one complaining except for having to flash a boot.img every time they flash a rom. I just bought the XT so I'll probably be around here for 1,5 years or more .
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Not sure why I said X. I meant HTC One! I had an X, but my son drowned it in my cat's water bowl! I got this Xperia T as a stop-gap. Actually very impressed with it. Had it since January and only bothered rooting it on Monday. Best stock ROM I've encountered.
Highly recommend using the Xperia Launcher mod if you are not already using it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2021332

I killed my poor old One X a while ago and have been looking for something to replace it lately. I have the opportunity to purchase a TL for what I feel is a very fair price but I am a little hesitant. I really really liked my One X and do not want to be disappointed if I purchase the TL and regret it in a week or two.
Would you add $100 out of pocket and pick up another One X or maybe even a Nexus 4 instead of the TL?
Thanks!

camit34 said:
I killed my poor old One X a while ago and have been looking for something to replace it lately. I have the opportunity to purchase a TL for what I feel is a very fair price but I am a little hesitant. I really really liked my One X and do not want to be disappointed if I purchase the TL and regret it in a week or two.
Would you add $100 out of pocket and pick up another One X or maybe even a Nexus 4 instead of the TL?
Thanks!
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get the nexus 4 you would be stuck on locked bootloader

Rycon33 said:
I'll start.
So who else among here haven't had any Apple products in your family. I do.
My Miss has a One x, daughter has Xperia P, and the youngest has Asus TF300 tab. We're an android fan family. No Mac for us as well, 2 desktop Windows PC in the house.
And yes I guess I'm old for xda, I'm already on my thirties and I think some of you here are as young as my kids.
Tapatalked from my bricked TX
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Actually you are the same age as my youngest son, so you aren't the oldest around here.
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cjna said:
Actually you are the same age as my youngest son, so you are the oldest around here.
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arent lool im only 14

Yep there arent few young members. Back when i was developing for xperia 2011 there were like three 14 aged developers. I am 15 , but... still i think there are kids who like wasting time here.
And to start a new thing here, try answering that question: What is your favourite activity. Pass aroud some stories about it. I think its better if we dont discuss tech in off-topic...
So I personally like biking. I bike to school and from it. The past Sunday i was on a championsip (countrycross) and i finished 12th :victory:. And yesterday i flat my back tire in the middle of the road to school and i pushed my bike to school and missed 3 lessons and i think i shall flat more often tires cause ,teachers cant tell me anything, i have the "proof":laugh:

I got to be honest now as well, im 16 (in 2 weeks 17) and I generally like snowboarding (we have an indoor hall near), drinking beer with the mates in the pub, and apparently android development. I also like to go for a run once in a while
@MrTapa i usually travel by bus to school (25km) and fell asleep on an early morning. Drove all the way to Middelburg which is 40 kms further than school also missed 3 classes.
Next school year ill go stuying though, and ill have a bachelors pad (correct?) near school. Bicycle hello!
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Snowboarding is the one thing I love in life lol litteraly more than anything its snowboarding <3
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I like skiing but my father had broken his foot twice from skiing and he is very worried so i usualy dont ski mainly not to panic him

Sony Xperia ZR is rumored to be in the works! Quad core, 4,6' 720p display, water and dust-proofness again!
But... 8GB internal again... if it was 16GB then maybe this phone would be something interesting... but such a small amount of memory would run out in a moment.
Back to the topic - I love karate! I'm a student at Bydgoszcz Kyokushinkai Tezuka Group for about 8 years now and I tell you - if you want to get fit and be prepared for every uncomfortable and dangerous occasion, or just want to try something cool, try martial arts!
Tapped from The Bond Phone!

mcsqwizzys98 said:
get the nexus 4 you would be stuck on locked bootloader
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Thanks for the advice. Turns out it was only an extra $30 I needed to add for the very good deal I got on a 16G Nexus 4.

Hello, I'm the "User Experience Admin" of XDA

Hey all!
My real name is Brandon Miniman, and you might have seen me on YouTube back in the day in Pocketnow videos. I live outside of Philadelphia, PA, and live with my wife and three kids (two girls and a boy), plus my puggle dog Ava.
I've used phones since the days of Windows Mobile phones (long live the HTC HD2 and Moto Q!). I currently use a Galaxy S21 Ultra and iPhone 12 mini.
Today, I'm part of the core leadership team at XDA where I spend my time overseeing operations (which includes working with mods, portal writers, and our technical team). Lately, since the upgrade from vBulletin to XenForo, I've been spending a lot of time working on a plan to grow the XDA community and make it the best place in the world to talk about phones. It's a tall order, and it's a bit complicated, so if you have any ideas or want to help, I'm all ears. My title is "user experience admin" because I'm the go-to guy for making the experience better on the site for users. That also means you can yell at me if you don't like something
You can follow me on Twitter if you care to: @brandonminiman. My DM box is always open if you have any questions or concerns about the site, or if you just want to say hi

Cheers Brandon!

hi everyone, im new here.

XDA was best warm home for AOSP.
XDA I like this portal for AOSP.

Hi every body, average user of modded rom, I'm here becauseof some mistake ... as usual...

Okay, you welcome!

It's been a long time....

Hello XDA, it's been a long time since I was truly active in these or any forums because life and reality provided an unintended distraction and then the pandemic. I find myself with a bit more time where I need a necessary diversion from reality and this forum has always provided this nerd with a world-wide community of nerds who really and truly know their ****. I have social networking friends that I follow, that I met through here and other technology forums that I have been friends with now for almost twenty years. I'm sure that how we met is irrelevant to many of them since we interact more about our day to day lives then the nerding out we did here in the forums. See, as a nerd, making real world friends was always difficult, but here, at XDA with my G1000 from Hitachi, one of the first-ever smart-phone, with a keyboard and a screen running Windows Mobile. I came here looking for a way to back-up my sms and call log to Microsoft Outlook and some genius had figured out a way to do it. I then had three different HTC Windows Mobile devices and XDA let me do amazing things with them.
Then, because I got suckered in to Sprint!, I upgraded to a Samsung Galaxy SII Touch or something ridiculous like that and it had so many issues out if the box but 2ss an amazing device. XDA was like High School and this is where you went from teen hacker wannabe to legit 1337 skills by rooting and then installing custom roms. The addiction to that thrill of knowing that a mistake, zigging when you're supposed to zag or skipping a step, rushing and missing something could spell disaster. I dropped a phone while installing a rom and the device boot-looped hard. Not to worry, XDA was here and someone else had done something similar, there was an entire forum thread devoted to all the people who had face-planted the rooting, rom or other process and lobotomized their Android device.
I still occasionally peruse the forums, lurking and liking and once in a while, replying. I just wanted to stop by and thank you for what seems like 17 or 18 years if amazing things. By you, I mean the people who run the forums behind the scenes at all levels and the moderators that keep the law and order necessary to thrive and function and you the users who's knowledge and other contributions are why we are here in these forums, from the creators to their guinea pigs to every other lurker like me. Thanks.

Blu3Fr0g said:
Hello XDA, it's been a long time since I was truly active in these or any forums because life and reality provided an unintended distraction and then the pandemic. I find myself with a bit more time where I need a necessary diversion from reality and this forum has always provided this nerd with a world-wide community of nerds who really and truly know their ****. I have social networking friends that I follow, that I met through here and other technology forums that I have been friends with now for almost twenty years. I'm sure that how we met is irrelevant to many of them since we interact more about our day to day lives then the nerding out we did here in the forums. See, as a nerd, making real world friends was always difficult, but here, at XDA with my G1000 from Hitachi, one of the first-ever smart-phone, with a keyboard and a screen running Windows Mobile. I came here looking for a way to back-up my sms and call log to Microsoft Outlook and some genius had figured out a way to do it. I then had three different HTC Windows Mobile devices and XDA let me do amazing things with them.
Then, because I got suckered in to Sprint!, I upgraded to a Samsung Galaxy SII Touch or something ridiculous like that and it had so many issues out if the box but 2ss an amazing device. XDA was like High School and this is where you went from teen hacker wannabe to legit 1337 skills by rooting and then installing custom roms. The addiction to that thrill of knowing that a mistake, zigging when you're supposed to zag or skipping a step, rushing and missing something could spell disaster. I dropped a phone while installing a rom and the device boot-looped hard. Not to worry, XDA was here and someone else had done something similar, there was an entire forum thread devoted to all the people who had face-planted the rooting, rom or other process and lobotomized their Android device.
I still occasionally peruse the forums, lurking and liking and once in a while, replying. I just wanted to stop by and thank you for what seems like 17 or 18 years if amazing things. By you, I mean the people who run the forums behind the scenes at all levels and the moderators that keep the law and order necessary to thrive and function and you the users who's knowledge and other contributions are why we are here in these forums, from the creators to their guinea pigs to every other lurker like me. Thanks.
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Glad to see an old timer around!
HTC was my fav brand for many many years....
Hope to see ya around.
Cheers!

Cheers

Well hi all, I'm 'new', but not really that new, since I've been searching through XDA topics on many occasions for quite a few years now. Not sure why it took me so long to actually make an account, but here I am.
So about me - half geek, half creative, F/LOSS enthusiast for over 20 years, full time Linux user since 2006, interested in way to many subjects to ever become a specialist in any of them within at least a dozen of life spans. Hence I don't think I'll ever be able to call myself a developer, but hey, we'll see ;-)

Welcome to the xda family.
Cheers.