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Can the HTC One Battery Last me 5 Years?

Liking this phone and also the One Mini
I might end up buying the One Mini
However 1 concern, replacing battery in these phones are impossible.
Ok then no problem will it last me 5 years so I can sell it on 4th year?
I am not a rich person and i work for $3 USD an hour for American Airlines where I live. A HTC One Mini should cost me about $600 USD so its a lot of money and I intend to keep it a very long time and when I am ready to sell it, it needs to still have a good battery so I can get back some money.
What kind of battery does it use and whats the recharge cycle?
Can I get 5 years out of it?

john5220 said:
Liking this phone and also the One Mini
I might end up buying the One Mini
However 1 concern, replacing battery in these phones are impossible.
Ok then no problem will it last me 5 years so I can sell it on 4th year?
I am not a rich person and i work for $3 USD an hour for American Airlines where I live. A HTC One Mini should cost me about $600 USD so its a lot of money and I intend to keep it a very long time and when I am ready to sell it, it needs to still have a good battery so I can get back some money.
What kind of battery does it use and whats the recharge cycle?
Can I get 5 years out of it?
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2 years is around about when battery capacity starts dropping noticeably. If you root and under clock, 5 years from now you'll get usable battery life.
I know its not my business, but do you want to spend 600 plus monthly plus any repairs or RMA shipping? Just think it over.
This phone uses a 2300 mah standard carbon anode lithium ion battery, which prefers to be topped off frequently, but not over 80%. When storing for REALLY long amounts of time, be sure to turn fast boot off and drain the battery to 40%.
About selling it: electronics lose their values extremely quickly so I would not expect more than 1/5 of the original price to be recovered after 4 years. That $120 I believe.

Hi
thanks for letting me know. You are right in 5 years I would probably get $100 USD if I am lucky. And even then its gonna be a used phone you might get new for that price.
This is a lot, I have a S3 Mini right now but wanted to get something faster the nova thor chipset is really bad in the S3 mini. However I flashed it with custom ROM and works much much faster and smoother now.
The S4 mini or S3 sounds like a great buy where I live its $500 USD for S4 mini and $480 USD for S3 these prices include vat and import duty for some reason its cheaper to buy locally from a store than from Amazon and ship it here. Costs a lot of money to clear customs.
I know the Xperia SP would cost less than a S3 and is a incredible phone at the same time.
I suppose I will look into the Xperia SP from Amazon as its within the sub $480 Price range when it lands and clears.
And while the SP battery is non removable its very easy to do so with a screw driver so I won't have any problems in 3 years time running at full clock speed.
Shipping back a expensive HTC phone for repairs is out of the question.Customs sometimes charge another massive tax when it enters the country even if its been sent for repairs. And its useless fighting your case as it takes too long so anything I buy I fix myself.
I usually look at youtube videos and do it myself.

john5220 said:
Hi
thanks for letting me know. You are right in 5 years I would probably get $100 USD if I am lucky. And even then its gonna be a used phone you might get new for that price.
This is a lot, I have a S3 Mini right now but wanted to get something faster the nova thor chipset is really bad in the S3 mini. However I flashed it with custom ROM and works much much faster and smoother now.
The S4 mini or S3 sounds like a great buy where I live its $500 USD for S4 mini and $480 USD for S3 these prices include vat and import duty for some reason its cheaper to buy locally from a store than from Amazon and ship it here. Costs a lot of money to clear customs.
I know the Xperia SP would cost less than a S3 and is a incredible phone at the same time.
I suppose I will look into the Xperia SP from Amazon as its within the sub $480 Price range when it lands and clears.
And while the SP battery is non removable its very easy to do so with a screw driver so I won't have any problems in 3 years time running at full clock speed.
Shipping back a expensive HTC phone for repairs is out of the question.Customs sometimes charge another massive tax when it enters the country even if its been sent for repairs. And its useless fighting your case as it takes too long so anything I buy I fix myself.
I usually look at youtube videos and do it myself.
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Forget the One then. It is impossible to open cleanly. It is riddled with defects like gaps and recessed power buttons and deep gashes and camera tint and all sorts of stuff. It breaks incredibly easily, too. If you drop it at the right angle, it only takes a couple inches. The S4 mini should be different.

Yeah I am also checking out the Xperia ZR
Its battery is removable and has same specs as the Xperia Z and is cheaper. And is water proof etc
720p res don't bother me because its screen size is 4.6 inch and its over 300ppi which is beyond the limit of the human eye anyways. So I might consider that if the price is right.
If not the SP is well within my budget and battery is easy to access but needs a little technical skill to remove but thats ok. Better than HTC One where screen and mainboard has to come out with a frecking heat gun just to access the battery.
Phones now are evolved to the point where it does everything we need it to do at incredible speed. Heck my crappy ancient Athlon X2 still servers me well to this day browsing web and playing games etc.
Hence my reason for wanting removable battery. Soon we won't be changing phones very soon at all.

sauprankul said:
Forget the One then. It is impossible to open cleanly. It is riddled with defects like gaps and recessed power buttons and deep gashes and camera tint and all sorts of stuff. It breaks incredibly easily, too. If you drop it at the right angle, it only takes a couple inches. The S4 mini should be different.
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I agree that the OP should look for another phone, but I think you're exaggerating the issues. I did tech support at VZW for four years. Trust me, ALL phone manufacturers have issues. Every one. Have a model that sells 5 million units with a failure rate of 3%, that's 150,000 unhappy owners.
If you drop any phone at the right angle it's going to break. On the other hand, CNET did a torture test where they tossed a One out of the window of a moving RV twice onto the pavement and the screen was still intact.

Hesster said:
I agree that the OP should look for another phone, but I think you're exaggerating the issues. I did tech support at VZW for four years. Trust me, ALL phone manufacturers have issues. Every one. Have a model that sells 5 million units with a failure rate of 3%, that's 150,000 unhappy owners.
If you drop any phone at the right angle it's going to break. On the other hand, CNET did a torture test where they tossed a One out of the window of a moving RV twice onto the pavement and the screen was still intact.
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If you poke around these threads, you'll see that the defect rate is well over 3%. I'd say it's around 50% for gaps and camera tint.
The Cnet test phone was EXTREMELY lucky. The whole damn phone broke, taking the fall for the screen. I have no idea how that happened. For Samsung devices, though, the plastic bezel would get crushed and would take the fall from most angles, unlike the metal One, which will transfer nearly all the force to the body of the phone.
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I have had my H1 for over 10 weeks and i have only charged it to 100% three times, i normally only charge to 80%and do not discharge it below 30%, hopefully my battery will last 5 years following this process.
I use an app called BatteryBot to sound an alarm at 80% and 30%
John.

sauprankul said:
If you poke around these threads, you'll see that the defect rate is well over 3%. I'd say it's around 50% for gaps and camera tint.
The Cnet test phone was EXTREMELY lucky. The whole damn phone broke, taking the fall for the screen. I have no idea how that happened. For Samsung devices, though, the plastic bezel would get crushed and would take the fall from most angles, unlike the metal One, which will transfer nearly all the force to the body of the phone.
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Never base "general" statistics on forum threads. Most of the people on forums will have problems because most people who have problems go on forums to complain/find solutions. People who have no problems don't go on forums to say "my phone rocks" and those that do are flayed for it. So the people with problems are "infinitely better represented". A case of "the vocal minority".
In conclusion: even if 50% of people on forum have problems, it doesn't mean that the total number of problems so anywhere near that. It could just as well be around 3%.(not saying that it definitely is; might be a lot higher)
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sauprankul said:
If you poke around these threads, you'll see that the defect rate is well over 3%. I'd say it's around 50% for gaps and camera tint.
The Cnet test phone was EXTREMELY lucky. The whole damn phone broke, taking the fall for the screen. I have no idea how that happened. For Samsung devices, though, the plastic bezel would get crushed and would take the fall from most angles, unlike the metal One, which will transfer nearly all the force to the body of the phone.
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XDA forum threads do not make a good population sample. People who have problems are more vocal than people who do not. If you really think 50% of all of the Ones delivered to stores are defective...
The CNET phone was thrown from a moving vehicle at least 8 feet off the pavement, twice. It also bounced several times. I would hardly expect any unprotected phone to do better under the circumstances. You can also find other torture and drop tests where the One performed as well as could be expected or better.
The digitizer on the S4 extends right to the edge of the phone on all sides, so I doubt the bezel provides much protection unless the phone lands on its back. You'll also find a lot of complaints about fragility and spontaneous screen cracks in the S4 as well.
I'm not saying the One is a perfect phone. I'm just saying you don't get an accurate view of the failure rate from forums.
EDIT: I just wanted to make it clear the 3% number was simply an example. I don't know the One's real sales numbers or failure rate. I very much doubt the failure rate is anywhere close to 50% though.

Hesster said:
I'm not saying the One is a perfect phone. I'm just saying you don't get an accurate view of the failure rate from forums.
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I have to agree - most people don't bother to post on forums like these when they don't have a fault! When they do, the Google, find a thread, register, and then post to it, making some issues look more widespread than they actually are. You can go to *any* forum here for popular devices and find a very similar pattern, and the better a device sells, the more prevalent it will seem.
Regards,
Dave

It's a Li-Po battery so I think at least 2 years should be definitely possible I personally think we can get more than 3 years out of it because my HTC Desire (Li-Ion) lasted for 3 years, then I had to buy a new battery. I charged it whenever I want and how long I want
I don't pay attention on the charging cycles and several tipps, such as not charging beyond 80%. It's a phone and I simply hope that they construct it for lasting longer
Sent from my HTC One

.vermilion said:
It's a Li-Po battery so I think at least 2 years should be definitely possible I personally think we can get more than 3 years out of it because my HTC Desire (Li-Ion) lasted for 3 years, then I had to buy a new battery. I charged it whenever I want and how long I want
I don't pay attention on the charging cycles and several tipps, such as not charging beyond 80%. It's a phone and I simply hope that they construct it for lasting longer
Sent from my HTC One
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Good to know it will only last 3 years so I won't be buying it.
I will look into the Xperia ZR which has removable battery or the S4 Mini etc. Even the Xperia SP looks really nice also.
Where I live these things are very expensive and I am not about to throw away a perfectly working phone in the space of 3 years time. An Xperia ZR can last me for the next 10 years because I will mostly be using it for web browsing and netflix mostly. And yeah casual gaming.
Phones now aren't like 10 years ago or even 4 years ago. Look at my ancient Athlon X2 CPU its really ancient and still I can play new games being released for PC on High Settings combined with my ancient Radeon HD 4870 card. So even modern computers can now last a very long time its not evolving the rate it used to. Same with phones they have now reached an acceptable level of power where you can keep them for a very long time to come
And if anything websites are getting more efficient with HTML 5 etc to use less processing power and to work faster. And I love to run my casual games to kill time also when I am in work doing nothing and waiting for a flight. $480 USD on Amazon for the ZR sounds good. Will cost me in total of $600 USD when it reaches my hand.
Should only take me 2 months at max to save this money.
I mean I don't go to clubs and waste money on alcohol nor do I smoke etc. I might aswell buy what makes me happy lol
I like to know that I can destroy my battery as much as I want and when it gives up all I have to do is swap in another one in 5 seconds and my phone is good as new once more.

john5220 said:
Good to know it will only last 3 years so I won't be buying it.
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No, I didn't say it'll only last 3 years I guess we can get more than 3 years out of it. It's only a guess, we have to wait until that date to know more about it
Yes, in Germany this phone is very expensive, too. I paid 561€, that's 751$... But I know that I won't have it for over 4 or 5 years even if the battery will last that long. There is so much progress in smartphone development, I don't want to know where the One will be in 4 years xD

yeah good point.
But even if I want to sell or give my phone to a family member say my little nephew later on when I upgrade, it would be nice to give him a phone that actually works and has a working battery.
So from what I have seen especially pricing. I am going with the Xperia ZR it fits my budget, and has everything I need including removable battery so I can have a spare to carry around with me also when one goes dead.

one question why do they make phones with non removable battery?
why not make it metal and make the battery removable?

john5220 said:
one question why do they make phones with non removable battery?
why not make it metal and make the battery removable?
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Argh, how to explain this with my bad English xD I'll try:
With a removable battery you always need a separate "room" where it'll be placed and as well a separate case. This will leads to consume more space so the design couldn't be that thin. But the most important point: If you'll use the space- where a removable battery fits - you can increase the volume of the battery itself which involve larger batteries with more capacity
And... Maybe an economical reason: The manufacturer will "bond" the consumer to their replacement/repair center if the battery is broken and has to be replaced.
Sent from my HTC One

john5220 said:
yeah good point.
But even if I want to sell or give my phone to a family member say my little nephew later on when I upgrade, it would be nice to give him a phone that actually works and has a working battery.
So from what I have seen especially pricing. I am going with the Xperia ZR it fits my budget, and has everything I need including removable battery so I can have a spare to carry around with me also when one goes dead.
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I would recommend checking out the Xperia in person before you make your final decision. For me it came down to the ZR and the One. I really liked the rugged body on the Sony. I fish a lot and use a hydrographic map app that shows the depth of different bodies of water, so the water resistant and dustproof housing was a big bonus. I went with the One because the ZR uses a TFT screen similar to a laptop computer. The viewing angles and daylight visibility are horrible.

Google slashed $100 off the Nexus 4
So I am gonna buy the N4 for $200 USD unlocked. Thats a incredible price for such a phone so not gonna bother with $700 HTC anymore
The N4 is so cheap at $200 USD that I don't even care what happens to the battery I can buy back another phone heck by the time this battery goes bad it will have the updated ones that I won't care.
Heck I don't even care about selling back a N4 in 3 years. If I get 3 years I will toss it in the trash and buy a 2016 Nexus phone for he same $200

john5220 said:
Google slashed $100 off the Nexus 4
So I am gonna buy the N4 for $200 USD unlocked. Thats a incredible price for such a phone so not gonna bother with $700 HTC anymore
The N4 is so cheap at $200 USD that I don't even care what happens to the battery I can buy back another phone heck by the time this battery goes bad it will have the updated ones that I won't care.
Heck I don't even care about selling back a N4 in 3 years. If I get 3 years I will toss it in the trash and buy a 2016 Nexus phone for *the same $200*
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Rising industry costs and inflation.
Just saying.
Good thing about Nexii is that Google doesn't care about making that much of a profit on hardware. N4 is a great deal for 250. Don't buy the 8 gig. 3 gigs are prolly used up by system. Hell, the One has 7 gigs filled up when fresh out of the factory!
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Good source for US 3T (A3000) without markup?

Hi folks,
I had just about finalized a decision to buy the US 3T (A3000) but then realized it wasn't available for sale from OP anymore. Looks like the usual outlets such as Amazon are selling them at a marked up price ($493 at the moment) or a bit cheaper but with no warranty (forget that).
IS there a place to get it without markup?
Or is it generally better to wait for support for the 5? Rooting / being able to mod is important to me.
Marc

Frankenscript said:
Hi folks,
I had just about finalized a decision to buy the US 3T (A3000) but then realized it wasn't available for sale from OP anymore. Looks like the usual outlets such as Amazon are selling them at a marked up price ($493 at the moment) or a bit cheaper but with no warranty (forget that).
IS there a place to get it without markup?
Or is it generally better to wait for support for the 5? Rooting / being able to mod is important to me.
Marc
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I Suggest u to get Oneplus 5 with the warranty . TWRP for OP5 was released, u can use magisk to root the OP5 . OP5 has also got some custom ROM also. Initial u can use OOS its very awesome ROM, if want u can flash the custom ROM later. :good:
press the thanks button if i helped u.

Thanks for this. Looks like the 5 has slightly smaller battery than 3T which worried me. But I will look for some comparison reviews.
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To add my two cents, I was in the same boat as you were. I went with the OP3T (128 GB) as I got a used (but in mint condition) one for around $390 on eBay.
Sure, I could have spent around $150 more, but my budget was a hard $400 and I just came under it and I'm happy with it. Both phones are great (at least, I assume that on the OP5 based on most reviews), and the OP3T is still quite relevant.
I like to tinker for sure, but I also need a daily driver with a little power and this is it. It's got the same CPU as my wife's Pixel XL, and her phone is fantastic. If I can get similar performance for around $250 less (hers was also used hence the smaller gap), I'm game. Maybe when OnePlus adds water and dust resistant certification, then perhaps I'll go brand new (OP7 someday?). Until then, I've realized my wallet and mind are happier with saving some money and getting damn good performance.
So check eBay for sure...you'll find a bunch of auctions for the phone. eBay Buy-It-Now listings might still be over $450 for the 128 GB though. Swappa has some as well, but the 128 GB goes over $400 there. Unless I missed it, you looking for 128 GB or 64 GB?

64 GB would be plenty. I don't carry much music around. Might go with 128GB for resale value. The 5 looks nice but I am quite concerned by the reports by some of jello effect scrolling. Seems to be controversial. Never held one in my hand so can't comment whether it would be an issue for me.
Will research while on vacation the next week or so... That delay may push me to the 5 by default as 3T gets scarcer.
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Frankenscript said:
64 GB would be plenty. I don't carry much music around. Might go with 128GB for resale value. The 5 looks nice but I am quite concerned by the reports by some of jello effect scrolling. Seems to be controversial. Never held one in my hand so can't comment whether it would be an issue for me.
Will research while on vacation the next week or so... That delay may push me to the 5 by default as 3T gets scarcer.
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I would say dont take reviews to consideration too much as they review the phone from top to bottom with standard user dont do. Jelly effect hardly visible but lets say you will not like your OP5 because of that you can always return it within return policy. Technically you are losing nothing. If I didn't buy OP3T few month ago I would get OP5 with no questions asked. Your choice of course. Also if you dont want to spend a lot of money and 64gig is enough look into Honor 8 or LG G6 it is 500$ on US T-Mobile

Used is just as good these days...
Frankenscript said:
Hi folks,
I had just about finalized a decision to buy the US 3T (A3000) but then realized it wasn't available for sale from OP anymore. Looks like the usual outlets such as Amazon are selling them at a marked up price ($493 at the moment) or a bit cheaper but with no warranty (forget that).
IS there a place to get it without markup?
Or is it generally better to wait for support for the 5? Rooting / being able to mod is important to me.
Marc
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Try swappa.com, new and used phones for good pricing... In my opinion, better way to buy a new/used phone than ebay.
****, I bought my Midnight Blk 3t on there for just around $400... and of course youll still get warranty since theyre not even 1 yr old.

Thanks guys!
@emarq286, thanks for the swappa recommendation. I've bought and sold a number of phones there. A mint 3T from a rated seller goes in the low $400s, with uncertainty about warranty since I wouldn't have the original receipt. I've had mixed experiences in the past claiming warranty repairs in situations like this. I would have paid the $439 to OP, but not sure I want to pay that much for even one described as mint. I'd rather just get a 5, for a little bit more (except some jelly-related hesitation.... I probably wouldn't notice/care about the visual artifact but have some concern that the resale value of the phone down the road if this is an unfixable thing that bugs a fair number of people.
One other thing: my current phone is a G3, with a QHD display... do you think I'll dislike the somewhat lower res full HD display?

Frankenscript said:
Thanks guys!
@emarq286, thanks for the swappa recommendation. I've bought and sold a number of phones there. A mint 3T from a rated seller goes in the low $400s, with uncertainty about warranty since I wouldn't have the original receipt. I've had mixed experiences in the past claiming warranty repairs in situations like this. I would have paid the $439 to OP, but not sure I want to pay that much for even one described as mint. I'd rather just get a 5, for a little bit more (except some jelly-related hesitation.... I probably wouldn't notice/care about the visual artifact but have some concern that the resale value of the phone down the road if this is an unfixable thing that bugs a fair number of people.
One other thing: my current phone is a G3, with a QHD display... do you think I'll dislike the somewhat lower res full HD display?
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I've had several QHD phones (GS7, HTC10, still own G6), and the 1080p AMOLED of 3t/5 is still AWESOME!
In my honest opinion, only reason you should "need" QHD is for VR... AMOLED makes up for the competitive advantage that most LCD-QHD displays hold over it.
Just my take.

Having had the Moto X Pure and it's display spoiled me a tad, but the silicon (Snapdragon 808 I think) wasn't the greatest (too much lag and both my wife and I had the issue...myself much more than her), so I went back to the OPO. I noticed a difference the first few days, but after that not so much. OP3T is better obviously, and with the OP5 as well, you might see a difference compared to QHD, but it's not that big of a deal.
As for that jelly scroll...personally I've seen it and I don't like it at all. That and the cost is what sealed the deal for in getting the OP3T. Of course, you could have a different experience.
I honestly have not worried about warranty coverage on any phone as I've never ever needed it...though YMMV obviously.

tab s2 vs tab s3

Bought the S2 earlier this year and subsequently lost it an an airport so need a new one. Was going to replace it with the same after getting the insurance money but I have now discovered that the seller I got the S2 from is selling the S3 for about 50 quid more. Is it worth the upgrade? Don't think I will have a use of the pen.

Did you see this thread?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/tab-s2/general/upgrade-to-tab-s3-t3627842

No. Thanks.

Eggstones said:
No. Thanks.
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Also, a lot of buyer reviews over at Amazon (81% are 4 or 5 stars):
https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Galaxy-9-7-Inch-Tablet-SM-T820NZSAXAR/dp/B01MRDL916/

Eggstones said:
Bought the S2 earlier this year and subsequently lost it an an airport so need a new one. Was going to replace it with the same after getting the insurance money but I have now discovered that the seller I got the S2 from is selling the S3 for about 50 quid more. Is it worth the upgrade? Don't think I will have a use of the pen.
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Even though the S3 has many teething troubles, for only £50 more, I'd take the punt. When Samsung sort the problems out, you will be paying a lot more than £50 a few years down the line if you want to upgrade.
Maybe find out what the issues are and ask yourself if any are deal breakers? :angel:

Masteryates said:
Even though the S3 has many teething troubles, for only £50 more, I'd take the punt. When Samsung sort the problems out, you will be paying a lot more than £50 a few years down the line if you want to upgrade.
Maybe find out what the issues are and ask yourself if any are deal breakers? :angel:
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That is just the problem, I don't really know what the niggles/problems are.

Eggstones said:
That is just the problem, I don't really know what the niggles/problems are.
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Time to get yourself to the S3 thread then Eggstones. :highfive:
If you do take the plunge, why not come back here and let us know how you are getting on

Will do. There seems to be a weird magnet issue going on that I don't fully understand.

Go for the S3 as you still have a future software upgrade path. The S2 will likely have come to its final upgrade

ashyx said:
Go for the S3 as you still have a future software upgrade path. The S2 will likely have come to its final upgrade
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Agreed ashyx. :highfive:
One slight chink of light is the fact that the 2016 S2 8" version is still the most recent 8" flagship Samsung device. Maybe it will get its third OS update?

Don't you think 50 quid more is too good to be true?
S3 is a whopping 599.00 and if you shop around maybe you can get it for 540.00 at a pinch. S2 easily get it for 300.00 so if I was offered the S3 for 350.00 I'd be asking some questions .... u less of course you are talking second hand ... but even then.

For me, the S3 is overpriced for what it is. I someone like Huawei got hold of a Samsung OLED panel, it could really upset the market and drive down the price of the S3.

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For me, the S3 is overpriced for what it is. I someone like Huawei got hold of a Samsung OLED panel, it could really upset the market and drive down the price of the S3.
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Samsung are really taking the 'p' these days, there is no limit to what they think they can charge. The Note 8 had me absolutely gobsmacked at nearly £900. What's next a £1500 phone?
Yeah £600 for a tablet is pretty high and given the features I think it's OTT frankly but if people pay Samsung will continue to dip into your wallet. Embedded batteries makes the £600 or £860 Note 8 still a 2 year deal as batteries don't last and I hate the fact that they did that for the phones in particular - I value my note 4 with spare batteries which I can swap in when needed and there are so many times when not having one would have been a major inconvenience.
I'll look for other brands - it's always best to go with the guys who have to try harder to get your business. When they get to Samsung status it's "take it or leave it" attitude but thats' to be seen everywhere sadly.

louiscar said:
Samsung are really taking the 'p' these days, there is no limit to what they think they can charge. The Note 8 had me absolutely gobsmacked at nearly £900. What's next a £1500 phone?
Yeah £600 for a tablet is pretty high and given the features I think it's OTT frankly but if people pay Samsung will continue to dip into your wallet. Embedded batteries makes the £600 or £860 Note 8 still a 2 year deal as batteries don't last and I hate the fact that they did that for the phones in particular - I value my note 4 with spare batteries which I can swap in when needed and there are so many times when not having one would have been a major inconvenience.
I'll look for other brands - it's always best to go with the guys who have to try harder to get your business. When they get to Samsung status it's "take it or leave it" attitude but thats' to be seen everywhere sadly.
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Agree with everything you say Louis. :highfive:
I bought the Mrs a Huawei mediapad M3 open box for only £142 in the USA a few weeks ago so I will get to see it in person in a few weeks time. With a high end Kirin SoC, 4GB ram things like a brilliant FP scanner and even a notification LED, it could give my S2 a run for its money. The icing on the cake would be an OLED screen but it seems Samsung are not selling these to others at tablet size.

Let's hope it turns out to be good. I think I need to go look at these offerings and see if the screens are a deal breaker or not. I got my tab second hand and because the screen was a good contender for the ipad retina. And I do appreciate it since the tab is my bedtime movie theatre
I'm sure the other guys will catch up .. Hopefully sooner or later, but if I have to stick with Kim Sami I guess I will go the ebay route and hope to find batteries as I did with the tab s.

General [INDIA] Galaxy S21 Ultra news, pre-order, offers etc. discussion thread.

Too early to believe, but Samsung Opera House(Bengaluru) has started taking blind prebooking for the Galaxy S21 series already as per THIS article.
Unsurprisingly India would get the Exynos 2100 SoC in this series and I just hope it performs on par with Snapdragon 888.

Why would they make the screen smaller for the s21 ultra than the existing one ? No one seems to have mentioned this.

yeah its only .100" smaller, too me that`s not a big thing for me, but the thing is it will have the LTPO display which I guess is supposed to give better contrast to black colors, also I`m not sure but i have heard talk of the fingerprint reader being 2x faster...... so well see, I`ll be ordering one in the unlocked in black the 512gb version

In the USA you can register for your S21 in the Samsung Shop app. Looks like you get an extra $70 store credit for registering. Can't wait to get the S21 ultra!

droidrev71 said:
In the USA you can register for your S21 in the Samsung Shop app. Looks like you get an extra $70 store credit for registering. Can't wait to get the S21 ultra!
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The thing I like about Samsung out here in India is that with perks of cashbacks & coupons(if prebooked) the pricing becomes eqivalent to the USA pricing(has been so far) ..
I'm finding the news [email protected] S21 series interesting too. Will get "Exynos" but highly it feels like it would be on par this time around, if not better, excluding the GPU.

I seriously hope the LTPO on the S21 series is far more superior to the one on Note 20U.
I had serious banding/green tint issues and a horrible battery drain problem due to it. The 60fps video recording also had hunting issues even with laser auto focus.
I'm back to S20U, the display feels a lot more stable and a long lasting battery.

2003vstrom said:
yeah its only .100" smaller, too me that`s not a big thing for me, but the thing is it will have the LTPO display which I guess is supposed to give better contrast to black colors, also I`m not sure but i have heard talk of the fingerprint reader being 2x faster...... so well see, I`ll be ordering one in the unlocked in black the 512gb version
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We're coming from S10+ getting the Ultra cause of the specs and my husband likes the camera features. It'll probably be to big for me but I am getting it. We won't upgrade for a while so I want the best of the bunch.

Do you think there will be any discounts with pricing if you don't trade in? I have a S9+ right now and am waffling back and forth between getting the S21 Ultra or getting a Note 20 Ultra ($800 thru work).

Have pre-reserved for S21 series because I thought we'd get the Buds Pro and Smart tag as preorder offers alongwith the free case. That is what the leakers had said a few days back but not it seems Buds Pro won't be part of the offer. Also coupled with missing charger and possible missing SD card and extra charges for SPen, will it be worth spending so much extra to sell my Note 20 U for the S21U?
P.S. The only reason I was willing to upgrade was because my Note 20 U is getting heated up a lot + because of the Exynos 2100 finally catching up to SD.

zaydenQ said:
Have pre-reserved for S21 series because I thought we'd get the Buds Pro and Smart tag as preorder offers alongwith the free case. That is what the leakers had said a few days back but not it seems Buds Pro won't be part of the offer. Also coupled with missing charger and possible missing SD card and extra charges for SPen, will it be worth spending so much extra to sell my Note 20 U for the S21U?
P.S. The only reason I was willing to upgrade was because my Note 20 U is getting heated up a lot + because of the Exynos 2100 finally catching up to SD.
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You got the VIP pass for the next Galaxy after you pre reserved it?
In India prebooking is of no use, last time for the Note 20U the cashback and freebies were offered even to customers who did not prebook and bought the phone well after the prebook purchase window. (craze for flagships in India are at an all time low, thanks to OnePlus and Samsung themselves).
Also the Note 20U was up in the corporate program with 5% discount in a matter of few days including the 9k cashback and freebies.
I will get the S21U only during the first week of Feb.

I'm expecting the price to be around 90k for S21U 256gig, anything more than that, I might as well wait for Z flip 2/3 later in April.

Kiran-Kumar said:
You got the VIP pass for the next Galaxy after you pre reserved it?
In India prebooking is of no use, last time for the Note 20U the cashback and freebies were offered even to customers who did not prebook and bought the phone well after the prebook purchase window. (craze for flagships in India are at an all time low, thanks to OnePlus and Samsung themselves).
Also the Note 20U was up in the corporate program with 5% discount in a matter of few days including the 9k cashback and freebies.
I will get the S21U only during the first week of Feb.
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No I didn't get any VIP pass. Was I supposed to? If I don't like what I see tomorrow, I am going to just refund my ₹2000 and wait for Feb/March to buy it. The only thing keeping me from the flip/fold is that the camera is always a generation behind in these devices.

I for one, do no find these "pre-registering"(or any other name) hulabaloos fascinating at all given that it's a Samsung flagship.
Irrespective of card/cash or other payment methods, I've been getting Samsung flagships on the very 1st day of market release buying from small retailers for a much lower price than the price quoted by bigger retailers or the biggest retailers with a fixed price or buying directly from Samsung online or offline for quite sometime now. The cost everytime turns out to be the lowest this way in comparison to the cost combined with any other CC/DC cashbacks/corporate offers/exchange offers/finance schemes etc... you name it.
Samsung tends(or "pretends" to be precise) to be strict with such retailers but being consumers all we need is a genuinely sourced product and a proper invoice. It makes sense because once we want to sell it later, the resale value will not at all differ based on which store we bought it from.
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In my case, prebooking offers are always applicable in the first place as one or the other re-seller does pre-booking taking the required credentials after me getting bombarded with calls soon after official announcement of the flagship.

Virgo_Guy said:
I for one, do no find these "pre-registering"(or any other name) hulabaloos fascinating at all given that it's a Samsung flagship.
Irrespective of card/cash or other payment methods, I've been getting Samsung flagships on the very 1st day of market release buying from small retailers for a much lower price than the price quoted by bigger retailers or the biggest retailers with a fixed price or buying directly from Samsung online or offline for quite sometime now. The cost everytime turns out to be the lowest this way in comparison to the cost combined with any other CC/DC cashbacks/corporate offers/exchange offers/finance schemes etc... you name it.
Samsung tends(or "pretends" to be precise) to be strict with such retailers but being consumers all we need is a genuinely sourced product and a proper invoice. It makes sense because once we want to sell it later, the resale value will not at all differ based on which store we bought it from.
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In my case, prebooking offers are always applicable in the first place as one or the other re-seller does pre-booking taking the required credentials after me getting bombarded with calls soon after official announcement of the flagship.
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Smaller retailer like non Samsung but authorized dealers like Sangeetha Mobiles, Chroma, Reliance Digital?
By how much you get a discount on the selling price, I have never tried this as I always get it from the Samsung Cafe.
I kinda feel awkward asking for a discount in Samsung Cafes

Kiran-Kumar said:
Smaller retailer like non Samsung but authorized dealers like Sangeetha Mobiles, Croma, Reliance Digital?
By how much you get a discount on the selling price, I have never tried this as I always get it from the Samsung Cafe.
I kinda feel awkward asking for a discount in Samsung Cafes
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No not those big formats, they don't as they don't need to and they can't either. Smart cafés can but they will not.
Instead, approach a few small multibrand players if you have time for it. They need flagship buyers to stay alive in the eyes of big brands for their own promotion/survival and to do so, they let go of it for extremely thin margins.
I happened to purchase two N20U units costing 90k each from two diff. sellers(when it was 1st released) - that's one example.

Virgo_Guy said:
No not those big formats, they don't as they don't need to and they can't either. Smart cafés can but they will not.
Instead, approach a few small multibrand players if you have time for it. They need flagship buyers to stay alive in the eyes of big brands for their own promotion/survival and to do so, they let go of it for extremely thin margins.
I happened to purchase two N20U units costing 90k each from two diff. sellers(when it was 1st released) - that's one example.
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Thank you...Will go out and look for such small time dealers tomorrow and establish a comfort zone before end of this month.

zaydenQ said:
No I didn't get any VIP pass. Was I supposed to? If I don't like what I see tomorrow, I am going to just refund my ₹2000 and wait for Feb/March to buy it. The only thing keeping me from the flip/fold is that the camera is always a generation behind in these devices.
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Thatz true, the cameras on the flip and fold were bad.
Since we do not have a Note 21 this year, hope flip and fold are equipped with better camera system.

Kiran-Kumar said:
....... I always get it from the Samsung Cafe.
kinda feel awkward asking for a discount in Samsung Cafes
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AFAIK, Samsung smart cafe franchises actually get the highest profit margins for each product they sell compared to other resellers. And it's the marketing skills and subsequent illusions created by the staff that make one feel awkward to ask for a discount.... Nope? The one running the franchise CAN give big discounts, but doesn't want to. They actually ended up giving me discounts a few times in the past but then I stopped visiting them lately as altogether I don't find it worth it.

Virgo_Guy said:
AFAIK, Samsung smart cafe franchises actually get the highest profit margins for each product they sell compared to other resellers. And it's the marketing skills and subsequent illusions created by the staff that make one feel awkward to ask for a discount.... Nope? The one running the franchise CAN give big discounts, but doesn't want to. They actually ended up giving me discounts a few times in the past but then I stopped visiting them lately as altogether I don't find it worth it.
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I have shortlisted a few small time detailers, will visit them tomorrow...btw Amazon has already started selling S21plus/ultra cases. They also have a video which shows the phone in its entirety
ESR Metal Kickstand Case Compatible with Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra 6.8-Inch 2021, Slim Silicone with Matte Finish Portrait and Landscape Stand Back Cover -Translucent Black : Amazon.in: Electronics
ESR Metal Kickstand Case Compatible with Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra 6.8-Inch 2021, Slim Silicone with Matte Finish Portrait and Landscape Stand Back Cover -Translucent Black : Amazon.in: Electronics
www.amazon.in

No microsd card slot....pretty much I'm out of it. thank you Samsung

Keep it or sell it?

I have a flawless P5 (other than a degraded battery) with nary a scratch or flaw other than normal use. I just bought a Pixel 6a and received a trade-in value of $138 from Google. Swappa is currently selling them in good condition for close to $200 but after fees and shipping it's probably not much different. So should I keep the P5 for a backup in case something happens to the P6a or bite the bullet and send it back? It's sitting here wiped clean but looking pretty good on the table next to the trade-in box. Just some random thoughts would be appreciated.

When the phones I currently own depreciate that much in value - I usually gift them to family members who need them since I always keep them in pristine condition.
If a phone sells for a net profit of $100-$200 and I spent anywhere from $600-$1400 (some unlocked intl. versions of high end SAmsungs have gone even more than $1400), I might as well just gift it to one of my family members. That would make me feel a lot better than selling it for a small profit.

bobby janow said:
I have a flawless P5 (other than a degraded battery) with nary a scratch or flaw other than normal use. I just bought a Pixel 6a and received a trade-in value of $138 from Google. Swappa is currently selling them in good condition for close to $200 but after fees and shipping it's probably not much different. So should I keep the P5 for a backup in case something happens to the P6a or bite the bullet and send it back? It's sitting here wiped clean but looking pretty good on the table next to the trade-in box. Just some random thoughts would be appreciated.
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Dang P5 was $400 when I last checked, and $280 with crack screen IIRC. I actually think $280 was lowest.

andybones said:
Dang P5 was $400 when I last checked, and $280 with crack screen IIRC. I actually think $280 was lowest.
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I know, that's what I thought. I was surprised at the Google offer of only $138 too. Just checked again and mint P5 is only a little over 200 now with 'good' selling at around $180 and a lot of them from major sellers. At this point I'll keep it for a backup device since both my wife and I have the P6a now and just in case... damn slippery phone. lol. Only problem with the P5 is that it's a VZW phone and you know what that means... no rom playing. Both the 6a are bl unlockable for the future.

andybones said:
Dang P5 was $400 when I last checked, and $280 with crack screen IIRC. I actually think $280 was lowest.
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And just like that Google is offering $400 for the P5 for the P7 trade in. That makes the phone $99 plus tax. This is nuts. How can you turn down a P7 for that price?

bobby janow said:
And just like that Google is offering $400 for the P5 for the P7 trade in. That makes the phone $99 plus tax. This is nuts. How can you turn down a P7 for that price?
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I love my P5.. idk what to do.
I had to replace my back camera myself. its fine close shots but not far..
so idk what they will do.
i wish they'd let me do the black friday $499 + the $100 promo code I got one from a friend.
I'd do that all day.
but it wouldn't allow me to do it.
I'll have to play with the P7, I haven't seen it in person, if I like the size, I'll do it.
My 2016 htc one m8 will have to be my backup LOL

andybones said:
I love my P5.. idk what to do.
I had to replace my back camera myself. its fine close shots but not far..
so idk what they will do.
i wish they'd let me do the black friday $499 + the $100 promo code I got one from a friend.
I'd do that all day.
but it wouldn't allow me to do it.
I'll have to play with the P7, I haven't seen it in person, if I like the size, I'll do it.
My 2016 htc one m8 will have to be my backup LOL
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I LOVED my M8. That's the phone that made me an active member here and where I started learning WAY more about Android and rooting. Became a member here a couple of years before that with the Galaxy s3

andybones said:
I love my P5.. idk what to do.
I had to replace my back camera myself. its fine close shots but not far..
so idk what they will do.
i wish they'd let me do the black friday $499 + the $100 promo code I got one from a friend.
I'd do that all day.
but it wouldn't allow me to do it.
I'll have to play with the P7, I haven't seen it in person, if I like the size, I'll do it.
My 2016 htc one m8 will have to be my backup LOL
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The P7 is large for sure. Without any case it's doable but bound to drop and crack. It's just the way things are. But I did pull the trigger and order it, just too good of a deal to pass up. I'll keep my P6a but I'm not really sure what will become my carrier device yet. Worst case scenario I'll trade in my 6a for the 7a and.. heck I have no idea what I'm doing. Why does Google do that do that to me? But nonetheless I will have 2 great phones to play with. And pretty inexpensive to boot. This might also be a great time for me to play around with unlock and root which I haven't done in years. Bottom line I have a P6a and a P7 total cost $400.

bobby janow said:
And just like that Google is offering $400 for the P5 for the P7 trade in. That makes the phone $99 plus tax. This is nuts. How can you turn down a P7 for that price?
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oh man... why did you have to tell us about this amazing deal lol lol? Really tempting to trade my P5 for the P7. But the size and weight of P5 is on another level. One of the best designed phones I've ever used

andybones said:
I love my P5.. idk what to do.
I had to replace my back camera myself. its fine close shots but not far..
so idk what they will do.
i wish they'd let me do the black friday $499 + the $100 promo code I got one from a friend.
I'd do that all day.
but it wouldn't allow me to do it.
I'll have to play with the P7, I haven't seen it in person, if I like the size, I'll do it.
My 2016 htc one m8 will have to be my backup LOL
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My bro.... I am on the check out step of my P7 purchase and it's giving me the option to get that $100 Google store credit for myself and you will get it too if you complete the purchase using my code... Want to do that? I hope Google is not lying lol... because that's what I'm reading at the checkout page.

how does Google send the code? Via e-mail or did I miss something? First pixel I buy through the Google website

antonio_d25 said:
how does Google send the code? Via e-mail or did I miss something? First pixel I buy through the Google website
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When you purchase, I recommend using a burner account specifically for buying from Google Store. If you hang around in https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/ there are hundreds of horror stories of people receiving an empty box (delivery drivers stealing it) and Google refusing to refund or replace, making it exceptionally stressful for you. If you do a chargeback, Google will deactivate your account in retaliation. Against a huge company like Google, you don't really have any recourse.
I always recommend buying from a retailer so you are better protected with consumer laws (you can do a lawful chargeback without the retailer retaliating) and you can pick up the device in person so you know for sure the box has a phone inside it. But sometimes, a promotion is only valid through their official website in which case I recommend using a secondary account that you don't mind being nuked for whatever reason.
Back to the original topic, I'd probably use my P5 until it dies. Pay someone to replace the battery in a few years. It's the perfect size with pretty good battery life based on my usage. I don't game on my phone and mostly only use it for listening to music via bluetooth and some social media. There are no other modern phones that fit in one hand. All the other phones are too big and require both hands to operate. The only downside to this phone is that cell service is really bad. It drops down to 3G in malls meanwhile a Galaxy S9 (2018) has full bars of 4G+. If they release a phone that's the same size as P5 but with the newer P7 hardware, I'm all in.

antonio_d25 said:
oh man... why did you have to tell us about this amazing deal lol lol? Really tempting to trade my P5 for the P7. But the size and weight of P5 is on another level. One of the best designed phones I've ever used
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Sorry, the devil made me do it. but you are correct. There is nothing like the P5 for size and weight. I still have it right here looking at me longingly but it's time to give up the ghost. I have been using the 6a now since it came out. I traded in my P6 (cracked case) and got $300 for it. I hated the P6 and was glad BB offered me the trade-in. The real story here is that the P5 is my wife's phone and I had to pry it from her cold dead hands in order to get her to try the 6a. It was $299 plus a trade-in of $138. The battery on the 5 was shot to heck and she uses it all the time for news/email/social. I let her use my 6a for a day and she finally said ok, it wasn't bad and we bought it. She does like it even though it's a bit larger. It fits in her pockets and running gear (has to use Strava) which I do too. I traded in my P5 for the P6 and regretted it from day one.
But then they came up with the $400 vs $138 and well how can you turn that down with a hundred off on the 7? That phone is just too large to carry but it will be a great phone for the house on either wifi or with my eSim which I rarely use any longer. I mean it's $99 bucks and I'd use it without a case. So there's the two phones, 6a and 7 for 400 dollars. When the 7a comes out I will probably get it if it comes in at the same size as the 6a (or smaller) and they accept a 6a trade-in. But that's a long way off for now.
@swangjang I've seen the stories about the returns. I've probably sent back for trade-in and replacements about 6 or so times over the years. And not to jinx it but never had one problem. I'm going to take the leap of faith again simply because BB is only offering $315 for the P5. That's an $85 difference and nothing to sneeze about. I count in beers and that's about 20 drafts on happy hour. I tried appealing to BB corporate but they didn't budge so Google it is. Anyway, to make a long story short.

bobby janow said:
Sorry, the devil made me do it. but you are correct. There is nothing like the P5 for size and weight. I still have it right here looking at me longingly but it's time to give up the ghost. I have been using the 6a now since it came out. I traded in my P6 (cracked case) and got $300 for it. I hated the P6 and was glad BB offered me the trade-in. The real story here is that the P5 is my wife's phone and I had to pry it from her cold dead hands in order to get her to try the 6a. It was $299 plus a trade-in of $138. The battery on the 5 was shot to heck and she uses it all the time for news/email/social. I let her use my 6a for a day and she finally said ok, it wasn't bad and we bought it. She does like it even though it's a bit larger. It fits in her pockets and running gear (has to use Strava) which I do too. I traded in my P5 for the P6 and regretted it from day one.
But then they came up with the $400 vs $138 and well how can you turn that down with a hundred off on the 7? That phone is just too large to carry but it will be a great phone for the house on either wifi or with my eSim which I rarely use any longer. I mean it's $99 bucks and I'd use it without a case. So there's the two phones, 6a and 7 for 400 dollars. When the 7a comes out I will probably get it if it comes in at the same size as the 6a (or smaller) and they accept a 6a trade-in. But that's a long way off for now.
@swangjang I've seen the stories about the returns. I've probably sent back for trade-in and replacements about 6 or so times over the years. And not to jinx it but never had one problem. I'm going to take the leap of faith again simply because BB is only offering $315 for the P5. That's an $85 difference and nothing to sneeze about. I count in beers and that's about 20 drafts on happy hour. I tried appealing to BB corporate but they didn't budge so Google it is. Anyway, to make a long story short.
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I got the P5 in Aug 2021 for $420 - brand new condition and I never game or use it for any demanding apps or anything like that. I installed a custom ROM and custom kernel in it and chose the most conservative battery parameters and this bad boy can easily go 2 days without a charge in my case. Battery is still running great.
Like I mentioned before - I've always used power units before - I have pretty much owned and used all the Note and Ultras from samsung and I gave my S21 Ultra to my mom. I am a strong believer that big screen phones are tailored to women lol... they never carry their phones in their pockets. But that thing was such a pain to carry around - so heavy and it would tire my hands holding it.
Then I switched to the P5 and the size and weight are amazing. I like the bezels and the shape a lot too. Even though the P5 is a great device overall you could tell that it is still a midranger performer. Switching apps, recording, camera (imo) or doing something that requires power you can tell that it doesn't perform as the power units. And I tried using kernels that were tweaked for performance -it still fell short.
I made the switch to the P7 also - it was a really good deal to pass up and the reviews are very positive thus far. Never held the device or looked at it live but the size shouldn't be too bad. I only hope that it feels nice in the pocket or when walking. I know that it is heavier but hopefully it won't feel like the Samsung bricks lol

antonio_d25 said:
My bro.... I am on the check out step of my P7 purchase and it's giving me the option to get that $100 Google store credit for myself and you will get it too if you complete the purchase using my code... Want to do that? I hope Google is not lying lol... because that's what I'm reading at the checkout page.
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Yes!
I keep trying and it's saying coupon code invalid.
I also did a chat w them the other day.
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Maybe things have changed.
Let's try it!

andybones said:
Yes!
I keep trying and it's saying coupon code invalid.
I also did a chat w them the other day.
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Maybe things have changed.
Let's try it!
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I'm not trolling or anything but they said they were going to send me the $100 Google store coupon but they never did. And I checked spam/promotions folder in my gmail and still nothing. I might reach out to them also and see what's going on with that. But I read your correspondence with them - maybe they realized they were giving too many discounts with the purchase of the P7 so they took that away (by saying it's an ongoing issue and all those excuses).
Let us know if they ever "fix" your request but I'm assuming they will never give the $100 Google store credit anymore...

Meanwhile here in Canada I just got a 7 Pro for $428CAD through my carrier ($319 in USD). Black Friday deals ftw!

I wonder if you guys ever considered the Zenfone 9... that one seems like a perfect phone also considering its size and performance

xunholyx said:
Meanwhile here in Canada I just got a 7 Pro for $428CAD through my carrier ($319 in USD). Black Friday deals ftw!
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Wow, great deal. Trade-in or straight away? Carriers will sometimes give those deals and give credit over 2 years. I got a free P5 that way but had to wait the two years to fully realize it.

I'm perfectly happy with my P5 still. I bought my P2 about a month after it was released and didn't replace it for 4 years until I got my P5, 6 months after the release date. I most likely won't replace my P5 until Google comes to their senses and goes back to the plain slate styling instead of that horrible camera bump.