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Has anyone else noticed that with either Windows Media Player or the HTC Audio Manager, it will always use the same shuffle order? Doesn't this defeat the purpose? Anyone know how to get it to "reshuffle" with every play. I am getting tired of hearing my play lists in the same order everytime.
jgermuga said:
Has anyone else noticed that with either Windows Media Player or the HTC Audio Manager, it will always use the same shuffle order? Doesn't this defeat the purpose? Anyone know how to get it to "reshuffle" with every play. I am getting tired of hearing my play lists in the same order everytime.
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Amen, thought I was the only one who noticed this!
Yes, surprising isn't it. Even a using a search on all forums didn't turn up this same question. I think this is true for Wondows Media Player on all devices, or at least the one's I have owned. Would be nice is HTC could provide a shuffle option that actually shuffles with the Audio Manager. Perhaps they should call it "Reorder" instead of "Shuffle".
Just searched and this is the only thread I could find on this problem.
My media player doesn't actually play the library in folder order, but seems to shuffling only a few songs on the list.
Is playing them from the library the only option? - you can play only one song at a time when accessing the music folder with windows explorer.
to "reshuffle" have you tried turning off shuffle, selecting another track, playing it, then turn shuffle back on.
Thanks for the suggestion - yes I've tried that, but it just seems so hit and miss with the Windows media player and the shuffle play seems to repeat a few tracks too often.
I've now installed MortPlayer and it's working great, so I'm not going to bother with the WM player now.
Thanks.
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to "reshuffle" have you tried turning off shuffle, selecting another track, playing it, then turn shuffle back on.
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Yes, this is my half baked solution. I just scroll down and start a few songs later in the list as it is sorted via the playlist. It still does not "shuffle" though, just puts me at a different point in the (properly termed...) reordered playlist. If it's a short playlist though, you will figure out pretty quickly that the songs go in the same order every time, you just started at a different point.
In computing, the random doesn't exist, we can only approach it by simulating.
You won't never get a "real" shuffle. When you select this mode in WMP or HTC audio manager, it follows an algorithm, that's why you always hear songs in the same order with the same playlist. The best way is to change your playlist.
I hope this explanation is helpful and clear, and if somebody can give us more details on the subject, don't hesitate (I like learning more and more )
sarce39 said:
In computing, the random doesn't exist, we can only approach it by simulating.
You won't never get a "real" shuffle. When you select this mode in WMP or HTC audio manager, it follows an algorithm, that's why you always hear songs in the same order with the same playlist. The best way is to change your playlist.
I hope this explanation is helpful and clear, and if somebody can give us more details on the subject, don't hesitate (I like learning more and more )
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I hear what you saying regarding computers not being good at random, but I can tell you that this MortPlayer is doing a damn fine job of it.
I think that these workarounds with the playlist are a poor reflection on WM media player - I have about 1.5G in my music folder and MortPlayer can shuffle the lot without the need to first create a playlist.
I didn't say that you need to create a playlist. On the contrary, more the numbers of songs is high, more the order in which you will hear its is changing, because the probability of finding the song "m" on a sample "M" diminishes when you increase "M" ( "M " can be a playlist or 1.5 GB of songs)
These are not showstopper issues but things I want to fix, if I can.
1) Whenever a song begins to play it "skips" a bit. Like it replays the first note/sound/whatever a few times then starts over for "real" and plays the song.
2) Sometimes the next song does not start up or show in the now playing area in the widget after the current song has finished playing. Click on the "skip" button makes the next song play.
3) Different from #2. Song does not start or change the currently playing song info in the widget. Cannot skip the song because an ad is playing. Now, I get that pandora is ad supported and I am fine with that. But, this is the kookiness, no audio is playing and there is no image at all in the full app window. But I cannot skip the non-ad, so I have dead air. That is not cool.
Now some debugging I have done. These things happen over 3G, Wi-Fi, and Edge. No difference among the connections. I have tried different stations as well.
Any ideas?
I know that in my experience with it so far, I was getting "skip" like symptoms as well. I went into the settings and changed it from "Normal" quality to "High" and this seemed to fix it for me.
I haven't seen the other bugs you've mentioned.
Another thing I see is sometimes I will pause Pandora and use the back button to back out of it. After doing so, the Android Music app will start and start playing music. It doesn't show up in the Notifications bar up top. I end up just using Advanced Task Manager to kill it.
I've noticed a LOT of the music apps seem to start when you don't want them too. I've noticed Last.fm will start itself when I play music from the Android Music app. I know this because a force close message will come up for it randomly. Mixzing used to start itself as well when I would start Music, so I uninstalled it. About to uninstall Last.fm too. Quite annoying...
Yea, I already tried the normal/high quality change. No effect.
It is odd stuff.
For the first time, ever, on my G1 I had the headphone icon show up when I plugged in my car stereo cable to the HTC 3n1 adapter.
I had just started up pandora but no music was playing yet, plugged in the cable, and then stared in amazement as the headphone icon came up in the notification area.
Then, to my further amazement, the default music app launched and I was presented with a musical selection of my ringtones. Wow.
Pandora is still far and away the best pick-a-kind-of-band-station out there.
if you are getting these issues, email the developer so they know the issues exist
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if you are getting these issues, email the developer so they know the issues exist
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Yep going to do that. Just wanted to make sure I was not the only one. So far it seems that I am. I may email them anyway. You never know...
confirm #2. i have the same. stopped using pandora. waiting for updates with fixes.
So far Pandora has worked great for me, no skipping issues, but I have had my music app start once and play at the same time as Pandora. I think it's an issue related to the newer CM Rom's....not Pandora.
My problem is, when I go to look at my stations, I have 5 or 6 duplicates of each station. I double checked on my PC and the duplicates aren't there, so it's specific to my phone.
This is an opinion post. Only opinion, and open to debate.
Last.fm is slow compared to iMeem and I am exclusively on Edge- I have to use At&t for now. I heard such good things about Pandora and was SO amped to hear it was released, and gave it every chance in the world to wow me.
Imeem is better. For one reason- Favorite artists playlists and favorite songs playlists. Now I tried looking all over pandora for this, so that I can #1 listen so just artists I like, no "new suggestions" for artists, just tracks I maybe never heard before. Sometimes I don't want to "explore". And #2 when I show off my android to friends, I have group-friendly tracks exclusively favorited, and I can switch on the Favorite Songs playlist and not worry. Ever.
Please tell me I am missing something in Pandora.
So my father and step mother recently got new Android phone, they both got Evo 4G's. My father has been working non stop to get his wife's music and audio books setup so that it's really easy to make playlist, sync them, play them back, etc. He has used WMP, had issues with that, so I suggested DoubleTwist. He messed with it and didn't like the interface, felt that it wasn't that intuitive. I decided that I would actually mess with dT myself so that I could see if it was worth suggesting to others. I found it pretty easy to make playlist and sync them and stuff, but there is one major problem with it, it ignores track numbers. I can't get it to show me track numbers at all, and can't get it to organize track in an album by track number, and if I drag a whole album into it's own playlist, it organized in alphabetical order, I can't get it to play by track number.
Next, I decided to mess with Motorola Media Link. I never even got to the point of seeing if it will work with my N1 cause I couldn't get it to sort by album, or artist or whatever when I clicked on the column header like would happen in Windows explorer. I can accept Motorola Media Link opening in artist mode first, but I should then be able to click a song, then go and hit the album column header and it will keep the fist song selected and resort the song by album showing the other songs in the same album above and below the original selected song, but that did not happen.
I'm not even going to mess with WMP anymore as I feel that is utter s**t when it comes UI. Doubletwist makes making playlist easy, but ignores track numbers, Motorola Media link doesn't sort things properly. Are there no other truly intuitive, easy to use, fully featured media player/manager for Android devices. I feel that this is going to make it difficult for Android devices to truly win over the hearts of iPhone users, who phone's just work. As much as I hate Apple's communist control over their platform and hardware, you have to give them credit for making a phone that even the technologically inept can use and work without problems
What's wrong with just drag and drop your files? I think that's the easiest way. Don't even need any software, just plug in the cable, it pops up as mass storage, drag over your files to a folder, done
I made the iPhone to N1 jump recently myself and had some similar growing pains in the media management side of things. Although I only really care about music (not podcasts or audiobooks) and have some real anal retentive requirements for playlist management, I've found bTunes as my media player and iSyncr for media management to be a great combination.
bTunes copies the navigation of the iOS iPod app perfectly, but adds in on-the-fly playlist creation and editing under the hood.
iSyncr lets me copy over playlists directly from my iTunes account, and updates playcounts and everything when I run the program.
I'm not sure if those things will apply to your parents' needs as elegantly as they have to my own. But hopefully it might help!
RogerPodacter said:
What's wrong with just drag and drop your files? I think that's the easiest way. Don't even need any software, just plug in the cable, it pops up as mass storage, drag over your files to a folder, done
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That's what my father and I do for ourselves, but that's not a good solution for my step mother who's not good with that kind of stuff and really doesn't have any desire to learn that. The ultimate goal of all this is to make it as easy as possible for her so that she can do it all without having to ask my father how or have him do.
sosquidtaste said:
I made the iPhone to N1 jump recently myself and had some similar growing pains in the media management side of things. Although I only really care about music (not podcasts or audiobooks) and have some real anal retentive requirements for playlist management, I've found bTunes as my media player and iSyncr for media management to be a great combination.
bTunes copies the navigation of the iOS iPod app perfectly, but adds in on-the-fly playlist creation and editing under the hood.
iSyncr lets me copy over playlists directly from my iTunes account, and updates playcounts and everything when I run the program.
I'm not sure if those things will apply to your parents' needs as elegantly as they have to my own. But hopefully it might help!
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Thanks, I'll send the info to my father and see if that works for him. He's still trying to find a solution for the audio books though. He's does some reading on the Audible Android app that's in beta and it appears to be having issues, so he's leery of installing it. But hopefully the music aspect will work for him.
Playlists and WMP
I am the father.
The biggest issue being able to easily have the playlists show upon the phone.
It can be accomplished with WMP by manually saving the play list as an M3u, then drag and drop that to root of the music folder on the phone, then you have to delete the auto generated WPl list from the pc in order to not have the play list show up twice in the play list list. This has to be repeated each time a change is made to the list.
Wish for WMP:
Allow you to set default play list file type.
For WMP to sync the list to the phone.
Thanks for any future help or advice.
jim.pulliam said:
I am the father.
The biggest issue being able to easily have the playlists show upon the phone.
It can be accomplished with WMP by manually saving the play list as an M3u, then drag and drop that to root of the music folder on the phone, then you have to delete the auto generated WPl list from the pc in order to not have the play list show up twice in the play list list. This has to be repeated each time a change is made to the list.
Wish for WMP:
Allow you to set default play list file type.
For WMP to sync the list to the phone.
Thanks for any future help or advice.
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i use fusion media player, excellent for making/viewing/playing playlists.
i dont know what format playlists are saved as, but the playlist i made in fusion works in other media players as well, like google play music, es media player, and stock gingerbread music player app.
i never even touched the playlist files, not move them, not edit or anything, idk where the file even is and my playlists work on all above mentioned players. enjoy!
Hi guys......I've been using Apex 5.3 and I've noticed something......You make a playlist in your favorite music player and then reboot the phone, after the reboot and the media scanner, you check the playlist and there are no songs in the playlist!!..............I've notted that it just happens in Android 2.2 Froyo, when i was whit a GB ROM It didn't happen...... I would like to know if there is any way to avoid this!.....It's annoying making the same playlist a lot of times!!! I would appreciate you to Help Me
And....sorry for my bad English ...........If you don't understand my words tell me please I'm just learning and i'm from Mexico!! Greetings
I have similar issue with mixzing. Playlists are lost after flashing roms. Any suggestion on how to preserve my playlists
mansared said:
I have similar issue with mixzing. Playlists are lost after flashing roms. Any suggestion on how to preserve my playlists
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Your playlist are usually saved on your sd card as a little file. You could back it up and re-open it after flashing a new ROM.
Might be different with different player tho, I haven't tested it. Just my though on it as I don't use playlist
Do you know where I can find this file???
caddi234 said:
Do you know where I can find this file???
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Usually would be in a folder created by your music player (with the name of your music player). Although, like I mentionned, I don't use playlist so I'm not sure where they would be placed
I'm going to go ahead and mention this now:
This is an issue relating to the media scanner. It is not specific to any one application, phone, or ROM. I've done a ton of searching on Google for an answer, and it is obviously not restricted and seems to come from the media scanner. Winamp, Songbird, PowerAMP, Instinctiv, Android Music, etc... all seem to have this problem.
As far as I know, there is no fix. Your best bet is to get an app that will let you sync playlists from your computer, and sync regularly. If you use an app that saves playlists as .m3u, you can create a new folder called .NoMedia, and media scanner will ignore it, and thus, not try to update it. If your app does not create playlist files, your playlists are stored in a database file and you're really out of luck.
Please, if anyone knows of a fix, please help!
rmikulus said:
I'm going to go ahead and mention this now:
This is an issue relating to the media scanner. It is not specific to any one application, phone, or ROM. I've done a ton of searching on Google for an answer, and it is obviously not restricted and seems to come from the media scanner. Winamp, Songbird, PowerAMP, Instinctiv, Android Music, etc... all seem to have this problem.
As far as I know, there is no fix. Your best bet is to get an app that will let you sync playlists from your computer, and sync regularly. If you use an app that saves playlists as .m3u, you can create a new folder called .NoMedia, and media scanner will ignore it, and thus, not try to update it. If your app does not create playlist files, your playlists are stored in a database file and you're really out of luck.
Please, if anyone knows of a fix, please help!
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The only solution I've found is FLASHING A GINGERBREAD ROM...I haven't had problems about this in Gingerbread........But I think they are still a little unstables!! :S
I'm having the same problem with FroYo and PowerAmp on my Captivate but the problem only occurs when I unmount and re-mount the SD cards and then the media scanner runs. If I reboot on the phone normally the scanner leaves the playlists in tact.
If you're using PowerAmp there's actually a 2 different settings that fix this, under Advanced Folder options: No System Scan For Folders, and Create /MusicFolders. For the first one you just select which folders you want to exclude from the scanner, for the latter it creates said folder (on both SD cards) and then you need to move your music to the MusicFolders folder(s). I suppose the former is easier if you have your music spread out over both SD cards or just don't feel like moving your music underneath another subfolder. The trade-off to this is that you lose use of the System Library and can only use Folder Playlists.
I used the Create /MusicFolders option, moved all my mp3s under it, created a couple of playlists with a few songs each. Unmounted/re-mounted the SD cards and also rebooted the phone and let the media scanner run both times and the Folder Playlists were untouched. Hopefully there's a fix eventually but for now, I can live with cumbersome functionality of using only folders since I only use playlists and very rarely shuffle all the songs on my phone. Not having to spend a half hour recreating playlists is more than worth the tradeoff.
Hi,
I've been having some issues with my Google home mini, routines and Spotify playlists. I will share them here hoping someone knows how to resolve them or to tell me where should I post these bugs for the Google developers team to solve them. I could not find a direct way to reach them and I'm a heavy user so I think I could collaborate.
Issue 1: more than two commands not working
You once could create a Routine that went something like "play my x playlist in shuffle mode on my x speaker" in one command line. It did work but now the shuffle mode won't be read so the playlist will play in order.
Work around: set all speakers in a group, set that group as the predetermined speaker on Google home app, create a routine that sets specific volumes to each speaker in the group (so if you want only speaker 1 to play you set all other speakers in 0% volume), and only state "play playlist x on shuffle mode".
Issue 2: Playlist and their names not updating
If I create now a new playlist on Spotify (I have a premium account and set Spotify as the predetermined music player on Google home app) and say directly or create a routine saying "ok Google play my "new" playlist" it won't work.
The same issue happens when you rename an existing playlist. It won't find it.
At first I thought it was a cache problem, so I deleted the cache in the home app and once it did work but not it does not.
No work around for this other than don't rename you playlists but its ridiculous.
Do you know where the home mini saves its cache? Other than goggle home app?
Thanks!
Not sure if you have found ways to resolve your issues, however I've found some things concerning the playlist not being seen.
When I create any new playlists in Spotify, I've found they are default set to "private" and not "public". They used to be set to public as the default.
Once I go in and change them, I've been able to play new lists with little issue (besides names being recognized).