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Android Q Update Confirmed!

Huawei confirmed is working on Android Q for Mate 20 Lite and other Huawei Phones!

Probably arrive sometime in 2021 unless you're in Asia of course where it'll be out in a few months after Google release it.

This will probably take some time. Also, add more time because of network companies.... ?

My wife's Mate 20 Lite (global ver.) hasn't received an 9.0 update yet but Huawei announce Q :laugh:

Huawei are great at talking.

slugger09 said:
Probably arrive sometime in 2021 unless you're in Asia of course where it'll be out in a few months after Google release it.
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Probably not, unless they're allowed to work with Google again. They have to work hard to get it released before that 90 day limit. But they did confirm the update, so I hope we'll get it eventually.

It's still bery early to say if the Mate 20 Lite will get the Android Q... despite what Huawei "says" today...
Android Q is still in development, so... there is a big gap between "say" that will support and really deliver the update... But again, is a unfinished version of Android, so...

Will we get the emui 10 update?

I looked at the features, and they were very promising. It even includes a dark mode!

Xinja said:
I looked at the features, and they were very promising. It even includes a dark mode!
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Well, the phone's been out only a year so it should get it. Always worrying when you see the manufacturer promising updates for other devices but not yours. Why do they do that? I sold my Moto 5gs because of the lack of updates, so won't be buying them again. Ditto Samsung. Maybe i'll just get Pixel phones in future. I expect more than 12 months support (plus I read that Huawei/Honor were switching to quarterly security updates - we'll see). The Honor Play was very good value for money, and it would be hard to justify devices without SD card slots but I'm really not in the "get a new phone every year or two" game. My chromebook has an EOL date in about 5 years time; why shouldn't my phone, too?
Looking forward to the dark mode, although puzzled that it requires OS support.
With Project Treble and Mainline you'd think that Google are almost at the point where they can roll out OS updates behind the manufacturers backs.
Interestingly, looking at the Android dashboard, which historically has shown Android OS usage, you can see it's been down since May:
https://developer.android.com/about/dashboards
I wonder if this is going to come back in October when they announce the Pixel 4, and they're going to blow everyone away by saying Android 9 adoption has beaten all the other versions?

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Well, the phone's been out only a year so it should get it. Always worrying when you see the manufacturer promising updates for other devices but not yours. Why do they do that? I sold my Moto 5gs because of the lack of updates, so won't be buying them again. Ditto Samsung. Maybe i'll just get Pixel phones in future. I expect more than 12 months support (plus I read that Huawei/Honor were switching to quarterly security updates - we'll see). The Honor Play was very good value for money, and it would be hard to justify devices without SD card slots but I'm really not in the "get a new phone every year or two" game. My chromebook has an EOL date in about 5 years time; why shouldn't my phone, too?
Looking forward to the dark mode, although puzzled that it requires OS support.
With Project Treble and Mainline you'd think that Google are almost at the point where they can roll out OS updates behind the manufacturers backs.
Interestingly, looking at the Android dashboard, which historically has shown Android OS usage, you can see it's been down since May:
https://developer.android.com/about/dashboards
I wonder if this is going to come back in October when they announce the Pixel 4, and they're going to blow everyone away by saying Android 9 adoption has beaten all the other versions?
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Probably, the biggest downside of honor and huawei phones is the lack of bootloader unlock codes, which leads to not much developer support. So I'm just always kinda looking out for updates

There is no official confirmation for Honor Play, unlike the Honor 8x or Honor 10 etc. Even if we do get the update, it isn't going to come anytime soon. Check this out: https://www.xda-developers.com/emui-10-android-10-update-timeline-huawei-honor/
The phone is still a massive value for its current price in terms of raw performance. I'm pretty content with it. Despite the quirks of EMUI, I've grown quite attached to it and will prefer it over almost all other android skins except probably full stock android...

Possibly, we might get Android 10 on Honor Play second quarter of next year.

I don't know how much we can trust this picture
But it's highly possible that we can forget about emui 10 for next 4-6 month for sure because emui 9.1 has been rolled out just yet

It is becoming obvious it will take time before Honor Play will receive EMUI 10 (if at all it will receive the update). It is not even on the list of Honor smartphones that will get Android 10 in the future. I am surprised to see Honor 8X included but not Honor Play.

pja1985430 said:
It is becoming obvious it will take time before Honor Play will receive EMUI 10 (if at all it will receive the update). It is not even on the list of Honor smartphones that will get Android 10 in the future. I am surprised to see Honor 8X included but not Honor Play.
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Honor 8x got sales numbers. Honor play didn't

Honestly this is bull****. Why the **** people buy a ugly ass honor 8x with kirin 710 when they can buy a honor play at the same price

It is not getting. Honor service in twitter confirmed that Honor play is going to get next major android 10 updates due to "hardware limitations".
This is particularly strange because Honor play has Kirin 970, the flagship processor of Huawei of 2017-18. It is the same processor of the p20, which is scheduled for the update.
As Honor won't be sending it. Thus I am planing for unlocking bootloader in any way as soon as they push emui 10 update lol

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It is not getting. Honor service in twitter confirmed that Honor play is going to get next major android 10 updates due to "hardware limitations".
This is particularly strange because Honor play has Kirin 970, the flagship processor of Huawei of 2017-18. It is the same processor of the p20, which is scheduled for the update.
As Honor won't be sending it. Thus I am planing for unlocking bootloader in any way as soon as they push emui 10 update lol
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oems have been doing it forever. it happened with my glaxy s3, galaxy s6 and now honor play. shame that these oems promise updates and then they dont accomplish it. only if honor allowed bootloader unlocking, it wouldnt be bothering this much.

Urgent matter
Sign this petition:
https://www.change.org/p/we-want-em...-either-want-huawei-to-unlock-its-boot-loader

we are not going to get EMUI 10 i think

apollo3x said:
oems have been doing it forever. it happened with my glaxy s3, galaxy s6 and now honor play. shame that these oems promise updates and then they dont accomplish it. only if honor allowed bootloader unlocking, it wouldnt be bothering this much.
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But samsung have changed and now apparently promise 4 years of upgrades. The android one site is out of date and doesn't include the new £99, £129 etc phones nokia have announced which will get 2 years support. Seems funny typing it - like we should feel grateful to get support. It should be 5 years. But yes, huawei/honor aren't getting any more of my money. If you knew the honor play was going to get 1 os upgrade around 14 months after launch and that's it, would you have bought the phone. I wouldn't. Fool me once...

Huawei P40 series *POTENTIALLY* able to install HarmonyOS in the future?

Yesterday Huawei officially unveiled HarmonyOS 2.0 and confirmed that it will power smartphones in 2021. Interestingly, you may not need to buy a new phone to make the switch – some EMUI 11 devices will be able to install and run the new OS.
It’s not clear which ones – all, perhaps, or just select models – and we don’t know if users will be able to roll back to the Android-based EMUI after trying out Huawei’s in-house operating system.
“Yes, devices running the new distributed-technology based EMUI 11 will be eligible for upgrade to Harmony OS in the future,” wrote a Huawei representative to Android Authority.
As of September 10, HarmonyOS is available for low-power devices – wearables, smart TVs, car infotainment systems. Next year, it will be opened up to mid-tier devices with up to 4 GB of RAM in April 2021 while flagship products with more than 4 GB will have to wait until October 2021. Huawei will help developers get a running start by giving them access to a beta version of HarmonyOS for smartphones this December.
Still, it could be a year before the flagship Huawei P40 phones are able to install the new OS. However, Huawei and Honor have a roster of Google-free mid-rangers that don’t stand to lose much – HMS Core already boasts 96,000 apps, which will presumably be supported by the new platform.
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Harmony OS upgrade for P20 Pro in 2022 H1

promised here https://liliputing.com/2021/06/huaweis-3-new-matepad-tablets-run-harmonyos.html

I'm skeptical but that's interesting. I'll have to replace the device anyway this fall (as I need a recent version of Google enterprise services to run on my device) but I suppose it would be nice to have some updates on the P20 Pro if only as a backup device

I already moved on but keeping P20 Pro as backup device (battery replaced). It is very nice form factor, quite light, and camera is still very good even by modern standards. Anyway, will be reading reports of Harmony OS upgrades on P40 with great interest. Not a fan of Huawei UI, but it might be nice to get updates and patches for a 4 year old device

This is good and bad at the same time. On one hand, Huawei has finally adapted a good alternative for android, which means more competition(even if it is a fork). Also we might get Apple-like updates, only time will tell. These updates are opt-in so you are not obligated to use HarmonyOS. On the other hand, you can say goodbye to Google services and any root methods that were possible and not found yet. Huawei"s services are still trash and I fear we won't be able to remove the system apps even with adb. If they pull an ultimatum and allow us to unlock our bootloaders/root our phones.....New OS or not, I am moving to another companies. Maybe Asus/Sony/Xiaomi

Well HarmonyOS really? I don't see a Point Moving to it.. Im more than Happy to use LineageOS 16.0 on it Instead a few Months ago, Well HarmonyOS doesnt Include Google Apps and Kills Root Methods.. well i don't care i will Stick with other Operating Systems on my P20 Pro and will not Go Back to Huawei's Made Software until i will in the Future move to a Different Manufacture (Xiaomi or OnePlus)
In terms of software, I am totally disappointed with Huawei .. also how they Handle the Bootloader Unlock with a code .. Like there is something to hide about EMUI.. sorry but that's ridiculous.

You guys should stop spreading misinformation. P20 Pro came with GMS from the get go. If you upgrade to HarmonyOS on a device that had GMS (officially or LZPlay), GMS will still be totally usable. Even with the final build of HarmonyOS. People already tested this in the betas and final version. Don't believe me? Take a look at this video:

bluetooth-bug said:
You guys should stop spreading misinformation. P20 Pro came with GMS from the get go. If you upgrade to HarmonyOS on a device that had GMS (officially or LZPlay), GMS will still be totally usable. Even with the final build of HarmonyOS. People already tested this in the betas and final version. Don't believe me? Take a look at this video:
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It's the first time I see anyone address the fact Harmony might support GMS. I don't think anyone here was knowingly spreading misinformation, but were rather making reasonable assumptions (I also assumed HarmonyOS wouldn't support GMS, even on my P20). I hope what we see in the video carries over to the final version, it would add a couple of years to the life of the phone

I'm not eager to switch from this totally usable(even great!) phone because of the huge slabs the flagship phones have became in the recent years. I'm not really eager to switch to harmony os either, because of the potential gms problem and integration. The only problem I have is the battery doesn't hold as well as it used to, but that is normal, the phone is 3 years old...
Bottom line, I still love it! It's almost a flawless flagship even today(thinking about changing the battery in their service, but it still lasts me a day)

andrei80 said:
I'm not eager to switch from this totally usable(even great!) phone because of the huge slabs the flagship phones have became in the recent years. I'm not really eager to switch to harmony os either, because of the potential gms problem and integration. The only problem I have is the battery doesn't hold as well as it used to, but that is normal, the phone is 3 years old...
Born line, I still love it! It's almost a flawless flagship even today(thinking about changing the battery in their service, but it still lasts me a day)
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I agree it's still a serviceable phone, but there are a couple of reasons I will need to jump ship. Lack of a major Android update (we'll be 2 versions behind and my employer doesn't let us keep a phone beyond n-1), and lack of security updates. Locking the bootloader midway through the sales cycle for this phone was a big mistake, it would have been one for the ages.

Guys good news. We gonna get HarmonyOS. Except it will be EMUI 12.
https://www.facebook.com/HUAWEICommunityGlobal/posts/3031974087090494

There is no official coment weather it will be harmony or android yet. Hoping for android...

andrei80 said:
There is no official coment weather it will be harmony or android yet. Hoping for android...
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Seeing as we didn't get Android 11 on this phone, I'd be surprised if they provided Android 12. That would be a first, as far as I can tell.

EMUI 12 (beta for now) for older global devices has been confirmed to be Android 10 - based with some bits of HarmonyOS UI code. Nova 9 has been an exception, as it was released with Android 11 - based EMUI 12.x. I highly doubt we will ever get an updated Android 11 - based EMUI 12 on our older devices, when it gets out of Beta.
[EMUI 12] The Taste of HarmonyOS
UPDATE 11/11/2021: EMUI 12 beta program for Mate 40 Pro, P40, P40 Pro, P40 Pro Plus, Mate 30 Pro stared in East Asia and Russia, and now is expanding to some markets in Europe. Download beta app and check if you can participate: https://bit.ly/Bet
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Huawei/comments/qzmn3t

Well, thats mega annoying, had some hope we get a up2date OS once again. Shame on Huawei, after my P20 Pro im done with them for sure too. Not that they restrict Hardware Levels, APIs and so on, but this is too much on top.

Can you record phone calls with this OS?

this morning I received notification that there is update to emui 12.0.0.225, size 4.42GB. downoloading

In Romania too. Not yet on my phone though

not much changed, mostly control center in the shade

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not much changed, mostly control center in the shade
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Yup. I've been using it on my p30pro. Not a spectacular change

Question How many android OS updates will the x90 pro plus receive?

Does anyone know how many android OS updates Vivo has promised for the x90 pro plus.

None are promised. 1-2 based on history of the China OS phones. E.g x70 pro+ the direct successor only got a single one so far from Android 11 to 13. It never got 12 and security updates arrived late. No monthly updates on security updates but rather 2-3 monthly in it's first 18 months. The funtouch OS x70 pro+ on the other hand received Android 12 and 13 as well as more timely updates.
I think no China OS vivo ever received more than 2 major upgrades and that's when they didn't skip one.
Security Updates run for 2.5 years or so.
Basically Vivo considers your phone to be junk after that time and expects you to upgrade. Resale value after 2 years therefore next to nothing....

extremecarver said:
None are promised. 1-2 based on history of the China OS phones. E.g x70 pro+ the direct successor only got a single one so far from Android 11 to 13. It never got 12 and security updates arrived late. No monthly updates on security updates but rather 2-3 monthly in it's first 18 months. The funtouch OS x70 pro+ on the other hand received Android 12 and 13 as well as more timely updates.
I think no China OS vivo ever received more than 2 major upgrades and that's when they didn't skip one.
Security Updates run for 2.5 years or so.
Basically Vivo considers your phone to be junk after that time and expects you to upgrade. Resale value after 2 years therefore next to nothing....
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Hmmm I saw on a website that x90 and x90 pro will get three major os upgrades so maybe the pro plus will get three as well? I think I can live with 2 major upgrades as my Xiaomi Mi 9 from android 9 had its final upgrade to android 11. Even though I can blu and root the device for custom ROMs I've never liked the look of AOSP based ROMs so haven't bothered.
It's either the x90 pro plus or the vivo X fold plus for me. The ppi of X fold plus is only 360 ppi on an 8inch seems quite low and I'm not sure how images and icons will look on it compared to ~517ppi of the x90 pro plus.

The promise is only for funtouch OS, and while the x70 pro plus with funtouch OS got android 12 and 13, origin OS only got 13 and never 12....
With the x70pro+ the real precessor of the x90pro+ I would not hold much hope. Especially seeing it will enter March on December security update which for a new flagship is simply intolerable. Xiaomi and BBK seem to outdo each other in who can provide slower updates, but BBK clearly wins on the we can provide less major upgrades than any other major producer...
And no no bootloader unlock/root for x90 series! So no way for AOSP.

Probably about 2 years worth of steady updates and maybe one last year of small patches.

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Probably about 2 years worth of steady updates and maybe one last year of small patches.
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Steady yes, but as shown so far that doesn't mean including security updates, nor major Android versions. It could well happen to x90pro+ origin OS 4 comes out on Android 13 instead of Android 14...
Like Huawei on some phones where they pushed updates updating next to nothing, even claiming to include security patches, and not including them (without root hard to asses, but in retroperspect you can notice it. E g huawei p30pro last 18 months only every second update actually included the claimed security patches - BBK and Xiaomi aren't good at fully integrating them either. Only google/Samsung are reliable there. However so far only Huawei outright didn't include anything of a claimed security patch).

my ex VIvo x70 pro plus received 3 Origin OS versions (1.0 - 2.0 - 3.0)
The X90 PP came out with OriginOS 3.0 (I think at least 2-3 major updates will be available)

But Origin OS 2.0 on the X70 Pro+ was based on Android 11 not 12!
Will it receive O OS 4.0? maybe, maybe not. Maybe based on Android 13...
I much rather keep the old rotten oranges OS but get a new Android version than the other way round.

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But Origin OS 2.0 on the X70 Pro+ was based on Android 11 not 12!
Will it receive O OS 4.0? maybe, maybe not. Maybe based on Android 13...
I much rather keep the old rotten oranges OS but get a new Android version than the other way round.
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I don't care much about the android version that mounts a specific interface
(Just look at huawei with its EMUI 13 which has only recently arrived with Android13)
Who wants the latest android that takes a Galaxy or Pixel, certainly not Vivo

The question in this thread here was however how many Android versions will it get.
And yeah - Huawei is a perfect example - I didn't see any improvements but just degradation for myself in EMUI updates - while missing all the goodies of new functionality offered by Android OS updates.
At least Vivo allows removing the stupid dual drop down status menu./quicksettings. Hated that on EMUI like the pest. I run Nova launcher - and the less I have to interfere with EMUI or rotten oranges the better!
Everyone here has different opinions on what is important.

extremecarver said:
The question in this thread here was however how many Android versions will it get.
And yeah - Huawei is a perfect example - I didn't see any improvements but just degradation for myself in EMUI updates - while missing all the goodies of new functionality offered by Android OS updates.
At least Vivo allows removing the stupid dual drop down status menu./quicksettings. Hated that on EMUI like the pest. I run Nova launcher - and the less I have to interfere with EMUI or rotten oranges the better!
Everyone here has different opinions on what is important.
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To clarify that the latest "android version" doesn't mean it's better ... At least for me

bmw320cd said:
To clarify that the latest "android version" doesn't mean it's better ... At least for me
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There is one huge advantage of the latest android version - while most (especially Chinese and Indian) phone producers have been found to cheat on security updates and not include all of them - a major android version means you can be 100% assured that all old patches are included. Of course producers adapting the OS can create new holes apart from the AOSP source - but at least you know that those are fixed.

Man I've been researching for a month now the vivo X fold plus or the x90 pro plus as my next phone. Now I'm not so sure which one to buy. I would prefer the actual os upgrade with new features instead of origin os version upgrades without new features or missing security patches. It's all confusing.

Well when it comes to updates don't get a BBK phone. Even Xiaomi is slightly better and they really rally for who can be worse...
Asus and Motorola aren't great but a bit better.
Honor seems to be best on flagships for a Chinese company and their pricing isn't China halt price of the rest of the world but pretty similar...
Just to note, the x70 pro plus origin OS, which was just released last week manages to be on November security patch... Maybe they think half yearly is fine? I mean the phone is already 1.5 years old. Why would you want current updates on such an old phone? It's time to throw it away and get a new much better one....

Vivo promised 3 years of OS updates in china according to baidu.

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Vivo promised 3 years of OS updates in china according to baidu.
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baidu is a search engine mainly, please provide your source. And OS fo Vivo means rotten Oranges not Android...
My nearly 4 year old P30Pro today got Android February security patches (after previously being on December patch) - X90Pro+ nothing to be seen...
I guess it will go straight to March Update. So right now the X90Pro+ seems on a 3 months update cycle - and that right after release....
Guess next year it will move to 6 months?

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Just to note, the x70 pro plus origin OS, which was just released last week manages to be on November security patch... Maybe they think half yearly is fine? I mean the phone is already 1.5 years old. Why would you want current updates on such an old phone? It's time to throw it away and get a new much better one....
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The x70 pro plus last update bump security patch to February 2023
The X90 PP will follow shortly

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The x70 pro plus last update bump security patch to February 2023
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Ah I guess this shortly is vivo speak for nothing happening in 17 days .. (and then the staged rollout using trial updates will take at least 7 days more for stable updates once it's ever published...
X90PP still having received a single security update since it was released (December patch end of December) likely that one was considered important as by that time many reviews written.
Stating something as a fact that doesn't happen...
Seems we have to be lucky if that crappy software with a 9.8 rated actively exploited bug is updated every three months. Sales of x90pro+ must have been dismal vs the expectations after the huge marketing campaign so now just treat it like a budget phone update wise...
Btw the march security patches by google include a fix for a zero day exploit which is actively exploited (full phone can be taken over, bug in the Samsung modem) and it's enough to know the telephone number of the user... Several vivo phones affected, amongst them x30,x50,x60 series... No patch yet for them.. Samsung and google published the updates for affected phones already, vivo hasn't. But yeah who cares, it's just a 9.8 /10 critical bug, right?
There was a 9.7 level bug in the February update that applies to the x90pp. It's very likely it's actively exploited too otherwise it would not get such a high score... This no update policy is simply a security nightmare by vivo.
Can only hope that google announces to remove certification for phones with slow updates else vivo likely won't improve...

BTW - the X90 Pro global version has already the March patches. It would be super unlikely if the X90pro+ ever receives an earlier patch level...
And I call it bull**** that it's difficult to implement a security patch (as long as it doesn't "fix" some bugs that you deliberately opened e.g. for spyware. The X90 Pro+ has March security updates and it was compiled on 1. March. Meaning within hours of the patch files being available Vivo had alredy compiled the finished version.
That's why Custom Android versions also always had the newest patches very quickly.
X90Pro+ is 3 months behind on security updates vs X90Pro and most other phones. it's pretty incredible. BBKs most expensive flagship phone and simply no updates...

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The x70 pro plus last update bump security patch to February 2023
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Any idea when? Waiting for those patches so Google Wallet works.