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The Mate 10 will be my last Huawei phone...

No more unlocked bootloader for you...
https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-bootloader-unlocking-869169/

Will be my last too, but more likely due to their update priorities. We pay flagship prices but all promises made at the keynote forgotten, sad.

0alfred0 said:
......, but more likely due to their update priorities. We pay flagship prices but all promises made at the keynote forgotten, sad.
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Beside Pixel and other Phones running stock Android who is doing better???? .....ok, Apple :laugh::laugh::laugh:
Samsung :highfive:
LG
HTC
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and from my persepective it would be hard to find any phone that performance and quality wise would come even close to the Mate's.....
...maybe Treble will provide some improvments but even this is quite doubtfull.

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Beside Pixel and other Phones running stock Android who is doing better???? .....ok, Apple :laugh::laugh::laugh:
Samsung :highfive:
LG
HTC
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and from my persepective it would be hard to find any phone that performance and quality wise would come even close to the Mate's.....
...maybe Treble will provide some improvments but even this is quite doubtfull.
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Just because nobody is doing it better does not make it ok.

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Just because nobody is doing it better does not make it ok.
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sure...but what would be the alternative...in case nobody is doing it better, you can stay with Huawei and enjoy the great phones....

i had mate 10 pro.They ****ed up something with the bootoader,there is at least 20 people who broke their device since a month ago while rebranding the phone to another region,all of a sudden from that week they closed bootloader unlocking page ? and now they say they never going to open,really i was happy with my phone but paying 1000$ to get a complete brick after no reason is real bull****.and its not solvable by the way.
I think they somehow made bootloader partition read only or something.and our devices cant be revived with any tool at the moment.im really mad for this nonsense.i even mailled them,write on reddit but no ones care untill their device is broken too

I have the non-pro Mate 10. It may very well be my last Huawei phone...but I will say this....it is, by far, the best phone available that ticks all the boxes for me right now.

reza6d said:
i had mate 10 pro.They ****ed up something with the bootoader,there is at least 20 people who broke their device since a month ago while rebranding the phone to another region,all of a sudden from that week they closed bootloader unlocking page ? and now they say they never going to open,really i was happy with my phone but paying 1000$ to get a complete brick after no reason is real bull****.and its not solvable by the way.
I think they somehow made bootloader partition read only or something.and our devices cant be revived with any tool at the moment.im really mad for this nonsense.i even mailled them,write on reddit but no ones care untill their device is broken too
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Well, you are not supposed to flash unapproved firmwares, so Huawei isn't responsible for that.
And complaining to them about that, would most likely do more damage than good.
When we unlock the bootloader and install stuff like that, we have to assume the risk and responsibility.
I know that in some cases, they replaced the device under warranty, but i doubt that those users told Huawei the whole story! ?

I will sell my Mate in few days.

mate 10 pro will be my only and last Huawei phone. ordered the u12+ and then going to sell the mate

jaseman said:
I have the non-pro Mate 10. It may very well be my last Huawei phone...but I will say this....it is, by far, the best phone available that ticks all the boxes for me right now.
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This. Exactly.

Well... Wrong... I owned the following devices : LG G2, LG G3, LG G4, HTC 10, Galaxy S7, Oneplus 3T, Galaxy S8 and now Mate 10 Pro. I can say that exept the camera this is by far the best phone yet. LG and Samsung are far behind with updates, HTC just simply sucks, OnePlus sucks on support and accesories (in East Europe at least). Battery life on this phone is just amazing, screen quality ok, call quality ok, build quality ok, updates better than Samsung or LG. In my opinion all phones are crap and all have bugs or problems.

mioss said:
Well... Wrong... I owned the following devices : LG G2, LG G3, LG G4, HTC 10, Galaxy S7, Oneplus 3T, Galaxy S8 and now Mate 10 Pro. I can say that exept the camera this is by far the best phone yet. LG and Samsung are far behind with updates, HTC just simply sucks, OnePlus sucks on support and accesories (in East Europe at least). Battery life on this phone is just amazing, screen quality ok, call quality ok, build quality ok, updates better than Samsung or LG. In my opinion all phones are crap and all have bugs or problems.
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I agree 100%, everyone has ups and downs, however Mate 10 definitely made an impact as my daily driver, I used Sony, Samsung, and iPhone in the past and got frustrated with limitation in daily use --- battery and usability.

This is likely my first and last Huawei phone unless they change the way updates are delivered. Maybe Googles Android P Mandate will make Huawei change the way they deliver updates requiring monthly security updates.
As a daily driver it is a great phone. The support is the only thing keeping it down. Face Unlock took way too long to come out for a flagship phone. Lesser phones getting Higher Android versions are also concerning.
Nokia is showing their care very much about support on their phones. And they are on the top of my list for my next phone.

flyingjack said:
sure...but what would be the alternative...in case nobody is doing it better, you can stay with Huawei and enjoy the great phones....
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RabidWolve said:
This is likely my first and last Huawei phone unless they change the way updates are delivered. Maybe Googles Android P Mandate will make Huawei change the way they deliver updates requiring monthly security updates.
As a daily driver it is a great phone. The support is the only thing keeping it down. Face Unlock took way too long to come out for a flagship phone. Lesser phones getting Higher Android versions are also concerning.
Nokia is showing their care very much about support on their phones. And they are on the top of my list for my next phone.
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Hmm my Mate 9 got updated to Oreo long (months) before the S7 , S8 and LG G6
I kept my mate 9 when I got my mate 10... And both are on the April security updates. Both supposedly support treble
I also have a xiaomi mi mix 2 on the April update
So on the second day in June..... What non Google pixel phone are you going to switch to so that you can get more timely updates?
Let me know so that I can switch as well
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I agree 100%, everyone has ups and downs, however Mate 10 definitely made an impact as my daily driver, I used Sony, Samsung, and iPhone in the past and got frustrated with limitation in daily use --- battery and usability.
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You two are against the grain of this board
I've even seen a poster saying that his S5 took far better pictures than the mate 10
I've been on xda since I first flashed my Samsung omnia in 2008... And this mate 10 board is truly something different to me
I'm happy with my Mate 10 (non pro)... The ai stabilization night shot is already on FF for the Chinese mate 10... So hopefully we get it in a month or two
Btw
I have a C605 mate 10
And a C636 mate 9
Never had any issues getting updates
And now it seems that you get access the update through the stock updater as soon as it's approved
My only real complaints are that:
Even at beauty = 0.. there's still something going on... However it's not a deal breaker
I wish all brands used the OnePlus method of delivering updates... So that a free VPN would be all you need to trigger the update
If Huawei won't realise the official blobs.. then I can do without the bootloader unlock for now
Devs are mostly on snapdragon devices
I actually bought the mi mix 2 so that I could install custom ROMs (cheapest snapdragon 835 I could find).... But the phone is sooooo smooth... That I just installed Nova launcher and I have been using it like that
Smoothest Android device that I've ever used
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Added screenshot of 5.31.18 Chinese mate 10 changeling from FF

Is this a joke? This subforum is just laughable, I usually lurk here for anything new and interesting, instead however I see most of the time is someone complaining about the phone not getting timely updates, "ugh, this is my last Huawei phone" "I hate how slow these updates are rolling out compare to others" "Where is my update, and why does this _____ region have this update but I dont?"
THIS is all I see here being posted whether its a new post or someone making comments on an already existing post. What has this turned into? "Lets complain about Huawei and crappy their support is subforum"?
Like the dude above me, I have been here since 2008 and this is by far probably on par with the Mate 9 subforum here on XDA the worst. No offense but damn!
You want updates in a timely manner? Get a Pixel
You want extensive ROM/Kernel developement with big support? Get a Snapdragon phone.
Simple as that, yeah sucks Huawei is going to shut down its bootloader unlocking service but thats reality and it might be for the better anyways. Yes this is XDA risk are taken but...(Think from Huawei's stand point)
Honestly I could CARE LESS about it. These phones were excellent from the start, I have no complaints whatsoever. Huawei out did themselves in terms of delivering a phone for performance and battery out of the box both 10s and the 9.
I see this more as a daily driver phone, not a phone a flash junkie can have fun with. People making threats saying "Oh im switching out for this _____ phone because of the amount of support and updates it gets" or "I regret getting this phone, support and updates are horrible" Um ok? Cool man as if that'll make a change anywhere, my thing is this, why cant people enjoy the phone as it stands out of the box?
Face unlock update? Dont care about it as much, if I receive it cool.
Not trying to offend everyone here, only those that seem to be impatient and think that we should be getting the latest updates in such quick time frame. Yeah yeah sure you paid premium prices and you expect the world? Not every company is the same, should have done your research if youre really after custom ROM development

Even SD device ain't a guarantee that you'll have community room support, just look at Sony. It is what it is. I bought this device cuz of battery and big amoled screen(un notched) and Huawei delivered. Yeah it got it's flaws but every phone has. As long they don't override pros it's a good purchase....and I'll sure be looking into Mate 20 if they keep the same philosophy as with predecessors.

Limited ROMS on this device and they wanted to lock the bootloader for good. Lol, I'm about to do a clean swap for Oneplus5t, think it will be worth it?

XERO_Racer said:
Is this a joke? This subforum is just laughable, I usually lurk here for anything new and interesting, instead however I see most of the time is someone complaining about the phone not getting timely updates, "ugh, this is my last Huawei phone" "I hate how slow these updates are rolling out compare to others" "Where is my update, and why does this _____ region have this update but I dont?"
THIS is all I see here being posted whether its a new post or someone making comments on an already existing post. What has this turned into? "Lets complain about Huawei and crappy their support is subforum"?
Like the dude above me, I have been here since 2008 and this is by far probably on par with the Mate 9 subforum here on XDA the worst. No offense but damn!
You want updates in a timely manner? Get a Pixel
You want extensive ROM/Kernel developement with big support? Get a Snapdragon phone.
Simple as that, yeah sucks Huawei is going to shut down its bootloader unlocking service but thats reality and it might be for the better anyways. Yes this is XDA risk are taken but...(Think from Huawei's stand point)
Honestly I could CARE LESS about it. These phones were excellent from the start, I have no complaints whatsoever. Huawei out did themselves in terms of delivering a phone for performance and battery out of the box both 10s and the 9.
I see this more as a daily driver phone, not a phone a flash junkie can have fun with. People making threats saying "Oh im switching out for this _____ phone because of the amount of support and updates it gets" or "I regret getting this phone, support and updates are horrible" Um ok? Cool man as if that'll make a change anywhere, my thing is this, why cant people enjoy the phone as it stands out of the box?
Face unlock update? Dont care about it as much, if I receive it cool.
Not trying to offend everyone here, only those that seem to be impatient and think that we should be getting the latest updates in such quick time frame. Yeah yeah sure you paid premium prices and you expect the world? Not every company is the same, should have done your research if youre really after custom ROM development
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So why this device on here ? on XDA forum. There are lots of devices who doesnt have forum thread, so lets put out Mate 10 PRO, if nobody need updates or custom roms or ......

XERO_Racer said:
why cant people enjoy the phone as it stands out of the box?
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It's trash! I bought a Note 4, years ago and I don't use it, because CyanogenMod was not ready. Samsung is today much better but still trash.
If somebody ask me now "yo, get Lineage OS but lose warranty?" I will instant flash Lineage OS, because EMUI is just a copy of the old MIUI, with bug's and ugly interface.
So, in future no more Huawei, just Xiaomi, Android One (Nokia) and OnePlus. Pixel never, because no dual SIM.

Will the Mate 10 Series ever get the EMUI 8.1 (Android 8.1) update?

The 8.1 update will be sick, it'll unlock our NPUs for other apps, give us more scene detections for our cameras, the option to turn off the AI, reportedly the "long exposure shots without a tripod" feature, and many more. Huawei said android 8.1 is "officially compatible with the Mate 10" (4 months ago), which makes me wonder, are we ever getting the update? The phone has been released for quite a while now, and we never got any updates AFAIK. Do you think we will? If you do, why do you say so?

I don't have the answer but yes it could be nice to have an update for it but when ??

IMO wouldn't it be better if we jumped to Android 9? Dev preview is on Chinese mate10 AFAIK. I had a P8, that went from 5.0 to 6. There was a very brief 5.1 with a few fixes. The time they spent on that would have been far better used polishing the 6.0 release.

wbrambley said:
IMO wouldn't it be better if we jumped to Android 9? Dev preview is on Chinese mate10 AFAIK. I had a P8, that went from 5.0 to 6. There was a very brief 5.1 with a few fixes. The time they spent on that would have been far better used polishing the 6.0 release.
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If I had to choose I'd pick android P, it's really sick, I'm asking for 8.1 because that's the very least you could ask for, don't set the bar too high because Huawei failed to deliver many times before.

The update is rolling out in China right now, but we will have it a month or two later, maybe...

Huawei promised on stage that the mate 10 (and pro) would be getting Android 8.1 early this year with support for the Android NNAPI that would give developers access to the NPU.
Fast forward, it's almost summer and nothing yet.
When I read the news that the night camera mode would be arriving soon for the Mate 10, I had a little hope that this update would be bundled with the 8.1 update, but it seems that for other regions on FF the night camera update is already showing and no sign of the 8.1.... it's just a June patch with the night camera add-on.
I'm also not holding my breath for a fast Android P release, maybe end this year, beginning of the next year? Anyways after the next Mate launch for sure.

It looks like huawei will have to move to other os, or stop selling their devices in the US, sooner than they expected. Let's hope that this doesn't happen.

Hoping for 8.1 soon and for sure also for Android P in my dream lol

What you mean "dreaming Android P". The device is not a year old and they will for sure drop Android P for Mate 10 and Mate 10 Pro. The problem is EMUI.
I will mever buy again a Huawei device, bootloader lock 4 ever and lame updates.

Luinwethion said:
Huawei promised on stage that the mate 10 (and pro) would be getting Android 8.1 early this year with support for the Android NNAPI that would give developers access to the NPU.
Fast forward, it's almost summer and nothing yet.
When I read the news that the night camera mode would be arriving soon for the Mate 10, I had a little hope that this update would be bundled with the 8.1 update, but it seems that for other regions on FF the night camera update is already showing and no sign of the 8.1.... it's just a June patch with the night camera add-on.
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BLA-L29C636B139 just popped up on FF. Only a June Security patch with no Night Camera add on.

Night camera mode? Isn't this there from the start?

MikeTheGamer said:
Night camera mode? Isn't this there from the start?
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He means night mode for p20 pro with no need of tripod.
Mate the 10 pro be with you

wbrambley said:
IMO wouldn't it be better if we jumped to Android 9? Dev preview is on Chinese mate10 AFAIK. I had a P8, that went from 5.0 to 6. There was a very brief 5.1 with a few fixes. The time they spent on that would have been far better used polishing the 6.0 release.
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johnnyman25 said:
He means night mode for p20 pro with no need of tripod.
Mate the 10 pro be with you
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Haha, sorry.

There is a new firmware in FF 145 it has nightshot but the firmware is not approved yet so we gotta wait till it gets approved to install I guess. I am a BLA-L09 C432 user from UK. Just in case any one wanted to know or if it even mattered.

amigoloco said:
It looks like huawei will have to move to other os, or stop selling their devices in the US, sooner than they expected. Let's hope that this doesn't happen.
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Even in the rare chance that this could happen
Too bad there is absolutely no market for Huawei devices outside the US

novastar1 said:
Even in the rare chance that this could happen
Too bad there is absolutely no market for Huawei devices outside the US
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I think if they made stock google look or used android one on their device. These phones will sell like hotcakes, also they include all their features that be great. But that's just a dream for now. -_-

145 just arrived on ff with night mode. Unavailable for me yet

136 update with nightmode available on FF but not approved for my firmware, will wait till it is. Sadly, it's still android 8.0. Should I lose more hope because of that?

Pays to read. The 8.1 update does not start until the end of the month, another 2 weeks.

Already using 145. June patch. Night shot better, but not that thing. Anyway, satisfied with this update.

Will we get the emui 10 update?

I looked at the features, and they were very promising. It even includes a dark mode!

Xinja said:
I looked at the features, and they were very promising. It even includes a dark mode!
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Well, the phone's been out only a year so it should get it. Always worrying when you see the manufacturer promising updates for other devices but not yours. Why do they do that? I sold my Moto 5gs because of the lack of updates, so won't be buying them again. Ditto Samsung. Maybe i'll just get Pixel phones in future. I expect more than 12 months support (plus I read that Huawei/Honor were switching to quarterly security updates - we'll see). The Honor Play was very good value for money, and it would be hard to justify devices without SD card slots but I'm really not in the "get a new phone every year or two" game. My chromebook has an EOL date in about 5 years time; why shouldn't my phone, too?
Looking forward to the dark mode, although puzzled that it requires OS support.
With Project Treble and Mainline you'd think that Google are almost at the point where they can roll out OS updates behind the manufacturers backs.
Interestingly, looking at the Android dashboard, which historically has shown Android OS usage, you can see it's been down since May:
https://developer.android.com/about/dashboards
I wonder if this is going to come back in October when they announce the Pixel 4, and they're going to blow everyone away by saying Android 9 adoption has beaten all the other versions?

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Well, the phone's been out only a year so it should get it. Always worrying when you see the manufacturer promising updates for other devices but not yours. Why do they do that? I sold my Moto 5gs because of the lack of updates, so won't be buying them again. Ditto Samsung. Maybe i'll just get Pixel phones in future. I expect more than 12 months support (plus I read that Huawei/Honor were switching to quarterly security updates - we'll see). The Honor Play was very good value for money, and it would be hard to justify devices without SD card slots but I'm really not in the "get a new phone every year or two" game. My chromebook has an EOL date in about 5 years time; why shouldn't my phone, too?
Looking forward to the dark mode, although puzzled that it requires OS support.
With Project Treble and Mainline you'd think that Google are almost at the point where they can roll out OS updates behind the manufacturers backs.
Interestingly, looking at the Android dashboard, which historically has shown Android OS usage, you can see it's been down since May:
https://developer.android.com/about/dashboards
I wonder if this is going to come back in October when they announce the Pixel 4, and they're going to blow everyone away by saying Android 9 adoption has beaten all the other versions?
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Probably, the biggest downside of honor and huawei phones is the lack of bootloader unlock codes, which leads to not much developer support. So I'm just always kinda looking out for updates

There is no official confirmation for Honor Play, unlike the Honor 8x or Honor 10 etc. Even if we do get the update, it isn't going to come anytime soon. Check this out: https://www.xda-developers.com/emui-10-android-10-update-timeline-huawei-honor/
The phone is still a massive value for its current price in terms of raw performance. I'm pretty content with it. Despite the quirks of EMUI, I've grown quite attached to it and will prefer it over almost all other android skins except probably full stock android...

Possibly, we might get Android 10 on Honor Play second quarter of next year.

I don't know how much we can trust this picture
But it's highly possible that we can forget about emui 10 for next 4-6 month for sure because emui 9.1 has been rolled out just yet

It is becoming obvious it will take time before Honor Play will receive EMUI 10 (if at all it will receive the update). It is not even on the list of Honor smartphones that will get Android 10 in the future. I am surprised to see Honor 8X included but not Honor Play.

pja1985430 said:
It is becoming obvious it will take time before Honor Play will receive EMUI 10 (if at all it will receive the update). It is not even on the list of Honor smartphones that will get Android 10 in the future. I am surprised to see Honor 8X included but not Honor Play.
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Honor 8x got sales numbers. Honor play didn't

Honestly this is bull****. Why the **** people buy a ugly ass honor 8x with kirin 710 when they can buy a honor play at the same price

It is not getting. Honor service in twitter confirmed that Honor play is going to get next major android 10 updates due to "hardware limitations".
This is particularly strange because Honor play has Kirin 970, the flagship processor of Huawei of 2017-18. It is the same processor of the p20, which is scheduled for the update.
As Honor won't be sending it. Thus I am planing for unlocking bootloader in any way as soon as they push emui 10 update lol

Debs_1997 said:
It is not getting. Honor service in twitter confirmed that Honor play is going to get next major android 10 updates due to "hardware limitations".
This is particularly strange because Honor play has Kirin 970, the flagship processor of Huawei of 2017-18. It is the same processor of the p20, which is scheduled for the update.
As Honor won't be sending it. Thus I am planing for unlocking bootloader in any way as soon as they push emui 10 update lol
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oems have been doing it forever. it happened with my glaxy s3, galaxy s6 and now honor play. shame that these oems promise updates and then they dont accomplish it. only if honor allowed bootloader unlocking, it wouldnt be bothering this much.

Urgent matter
Sign this petition:
https://www.change.org/p/we-want-em...-either-want-huawei-to-unlock-its-boot-loader

we are not going to get EMUI 10 i think

apollo3x said:
oems have been doing it forever. it happened with my glaxy s3, galaxy s6 and now honor play. shame that these oems promise updates and then they dont accomplish it. only if honor allowed bootloader unlocking, it wouldnt be bothering this much.
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But samsung have changed and now apparently promise 4 years of upgrades. The android one site is out of date and doesn't include the new £99, £129 etc phones nokia have announced which will get 2 years support. Seems funny typing it - like we should feel grateful to get support. It should be 5 years. But yes, huawei/honor aren't getting any more of my money. If you knew the honor play was going to get 1 os upgrade around 14 months after launch and that's it, would you have bought the phone. I wouldn't. Fool me once...

where is the emui 10 !!!?

hey...
how i can install emui 10 without beta app !!
i can see any new update for emui 10 now...its bad company..

P20 is scheduled to receive EMUI 10 in March 2020.
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its bad company...
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You are welcome to sell your phone and switch to another brand that rolls our updates faster. Also, let us all know when you find one.

Iphones are good for long software updates. Huawei has a lot of issues with maintaining their new HMS since Trump went full child mode because apparently Huawei spies, even tho a lot of american tech (excluding Apple, i guess) spy on us since the dawn of time.
Emui 10 got rolled out in China for p20 pro, not sure if it is beta or not.
I will be switching (possibly) to an Iphone xs max, because i grew tired of software update issues and all. I really hope i don't get any hate because i want to switch to an apple product. Android is great too, but Google likes to ruin in each update

arty_a said:
P20 is scheduled to receive EMUI 10 in March 2020.
You are welcome to sell your phone and switch to another brand that rolls our updates faster. Also, let us all know when you find one.
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in march 2020 ? lol i will update to beta with unlock bootloder ^_^
You are welocme for your opinion and i will switch to oneplus 7 pro next week :highfive:

maahmd said:
in march 2020 ? lol i will update to beta with unlock bootloder ^_^
You are welocme for your opinion and i will switch to oneplus 7 pro next week :highfive:
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Beta completely locks the bootloader, some people on the forums claimed that, as well as being a permanent lock

The Restless Soul said:
Beta completely locks the bootloader, some people on the forums claimed that, as well as being a permanent lock
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Well what can we do ??

maahmd said:
Well what can we do ??
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Switch to OP7Pro as u mentioned?

maahmd said:
Well what can we do ??
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Simple. If you care about bootloader, go to oneplus or any other brand that allows custom roms. If not, stick to Huawei or go to Apple since it's the only brand who respects old devices(reason the price costs a kidney and a half) . Xiaomi counts too but they update their MIUI, not the android version, as well as oneplus too but uhh, not so sure about them yet.
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Huawei isn't really such a bad company. It's only that they are too lazy to provide after sales support for any sort of device. I get it, Trump issues, Google issues, HMS issues. They should roll out Harmony OS as a beta software from devices that have Kirin 970 and up and let everybody develop apps and all, as well as test the software and allow people to report any sort of bugs. This way, the production of it will be a faster way to finish and polish Harmony OS. Their ego with "We are ready to replace you, Google" just make things worst, to the point where Trump can add a law to restrict all Chinese brands (yes, including Xiaomi and maybe Oneplus) from using Android all together, then everybody would be stuck on Android Q (or lower).
Either way, until Huawei fixes their issues and learns how to coop with the xda community and customers (now they need developers with HMS to develop apps, are we Huawei?), i will stick to Apple's Iphones, because even a 5 years old iphone still gets the latest software ( reason being the services, ofc). This is a lesson to be learned, Huawei. I am not the type of person who cares about bootloader and custom roms, but still, either coop with the community or watch your brand slowly die.

spiderx_mm said:
Switch to OP7Pro as u mentioned?
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no i will take the oneplus 7 pro and stay with p20 pro like a Secondary device if necessary ^_^

Question Android 12 for OriginOS Ocean

Hey Guys,
is there any information on how or when we will receive Andoird 12 instead of small updates for Ocean like every week or two.
Really looking forward to it but couldnt find anything on the internet.
PD2145C_A_5.13.31 is my actual Version
Thanks and cya

F4ISR said:
Hey Guys,
is there any information on how or when we will receive Andoird 12 instead of small updates for Ocean like every week or two.
Really looking forward to it but couldnt find anything on the internet.
PD2145C_A_5.13.31 is my actual Version
Thanks and cya
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Small updates every week or two? PD2145C_A_5.13.31 is more than 6 weeks old, and no Android 12 update on the horizon. The phone is great, but update policy concerning Google major updates is bad, but surprisingly mainly for OriginOS, not for FuntouchOS, which had a Android 12 update months ago.

renderjoe said:
Small updates every week or two? PD2145C_A_5.13.31 is more than 6 weeks old, and no Android 12 update on the horizon. The phone is great, but update policy concerning Google major updates is bad, but surprisingly mainly for OriginOS, not for FuntouchOS, which had a Android 12 update months ago.
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not really surprising, since originos is something new they started not so long ago, and are still developing it. They first want it to be stable with the android 11 they started it with, before adding bugs from trying to make it compatible with a new android version
Also OP wrote this post like 4 weeks ago, just saying

Now the latest version is PD2145C_A_5.13.41))

Bye, bye Android 12 and further major updates, another feedback from Vivo Global Support
“OriginOS Ocean is a smartphone operating system that is deeply optimized, customized, and developed based on the Android system. It has independent supporting functions and performance optimization mechanisms, such as: system interface, built-in functions and applications, and interaction methods are all in-depth optimization functions. The functions and interfaces of the native systems are quite different. Due to the different hardware capabilities and configurations of each model, some models will continue to use the original Android version based on comprehensive consideration of operating stability, fluency, and compatibility after each model is upgraded to OriginOS Ocean. No matter what Android version your phone is based on, you can experience the new changes brought by OriginOS Ocean, so please continue to use it with confidence.“
Who the heck needs Android 12 if you have OriginOS Ocean?
Don‘t get me wrong, I am happy with my Vivo X70 Pro+ but why Vivo is promising (three) Android Major Updates for the X70 series but don‘t deliver? Android 13 is coming soon, this is so disappointing for a flagship device.

Origin OS Ocean is simply a skin put on the Android firmware by Vivo. The Vivo X Note that I am using, for example, has the Origin OS Ocean firmware (since it was only released in China and there is no FunTouch global firmware for the Vivo X Note). My phone, however is Android 12, not Android 11.

frcraig said:
Origin OS Ocean is simply a skin put on the Android firmware by Vivo. The Vivo X Note that I am using, for example, has the Origin OS Ocean firmware (since it was only released in China and there is no FunTouch global firmware for the Vivo X Note). My phone, however is Android 12, not Android 11.
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I know the difference between skin and operating system……I am SW-Developer.
It‘s just dissapointing to me that Vivo has such a bad SW update service to there flagship phones. I paid a lot of money and most people around me with much cheaper phones had a Android 12 update month ago. Flagship phones got a update around 6 month ago.
I bought a Vivo X80 Pro for my wife, this is on Android 12. But now I am afraid that this phone will also get no Android major update.
Anyway, it is at it is. But my next phone won‘t be a Vivo anymore, despite the great hardware.

renderjoe said:
I know the difference between skin and operating system……I am SW-Developer.
It‘s just dissapointing to me that Vivo has such a bad SW update service to there flagship phones. I paid a lot of money and most people around me with much cheaper phones had a Android 12 update month ago. Flagship phones got a update around 6 month ago.
I bought a Vivo X80 Pro for my wife, this is on Android 12. But now I am afraid that this phone will also get no Android major update.
Anyway, it is at it is. But my next phone won‘t be a Vivo anymore, despite the great hardware.
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But you do notice a huge difference between your wife's an yours phone? Because I have android 12 on my xiaomi tablet. And as far as I can see it's only about design and no substantial functionality change is made.
And Ocean is all about design itself. Aside great functionality.

piskr said:
But you do notice a huge difference between your wife's an yours phone? Because I have android 12 on my xiaomi tablet. And as far as I can see it's only about design and no substantial functionality change is made.
And Ocean is all about design itself. Aside great functionality.
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No, the differences are subtle concerning the UX. There are some more detailed settings, nothing really important. But the phone is more energy efficient with Android 12, better battery life and less standby consumption overnight.
But that‘s not the point. If you pay around € 900 for a phone and everybody around you got Android 12 updates for there much cheaper devices you are not satisfied. Especially if the vendor promises contemporary Android Major updates (three for the X70 series).
Let‘s finish this discussion: Vivo X70 Pro+ is a great device (with Android 11). But the update Service for this device doesn‘t satisfy MY expectations.