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Harmony OS upgrade for P20 Pro in 2022 H1

promised here https://liliputing.com/2021/06/huaweis-3-new-matepad-tablets-run-harmonyos.html

I'm skeptical but that's interesting. I'll have to replace the device anyway this fall (as I need a recent version of Google enterprise services to run on my device) but I suppose it would be nice to have some updates on the P20 Pro if only as a backup device

I already moved on but keeping P20 Pro as backup device (battery replaced). It is very nice form factor, quite light, and camera is still very good even by modern standards. Anyway, will be reading reports of Harmony OS upgrades on P40 with great interest. Not a fan of Huawei UI, but it might be nice to get updates and patches for a 4 year old device

This is good and bad at the same time. On one hand, Huawei has finally adapted a good alternative for android, which means more competition(even if it is a fork). Also we might get Apple-like updates, only time will tell. These updates are opt-in so you are not obligated to use HarmonyOS. On the other hand, you can say goodbye to Google services and any root methods that were possible and not found yet. Huawei"s services are still trash and I fear we won't be able to remove the system apps even with adb. If they pull an ultimatum and allow us to unlock our bootloaders/root our phones.....New OS or not, I am moving to another companies. Maybe Asus/Sony/Xiaomi

Well HarmonyOS really? I don't see a Point Moving to it.. Im more than Happy to use LineageOS 16.0 on it Instead a few Months ago, Well HarmonyOS doesnt Include Google Apps and Kills Root Methods.. well i don't care i will Stick with other Operating Systems on my P20 Pro and will not Go Back to Huawei's Made Software until i will in the Future move to a Different Manufacture (Xiaomi or OnePlus)
In terms of software, I am totally disappointed with Huawei .. also how they Handle the Bootloader Unlock with a code .. Like there is something to hide about EMUI.. sorry but that's ridiculous.

You guys should stop spreading misinformation. P20 Pro came with GMS from the get go. If you upgrade to HarmonyOS on a device that had GMS (officially or LZPlay), GMS will still be totally usable. Even with the final build of HarmonyOS. People already tested this in the betas and final version. Don't believe me? Take a look at this video:

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You guys should stop spreading misinformation. P20 Pro came with GMS from the get go. If you upgrade to HarmonyOS on a device that had GMS (officially or LZPlay), GMS will still be totally usable. Even with the final build of HarmonyOS. People already tested this in the betas and final version. Don't believe me? Take a look at this video:
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It's the first time I see anyone address the fact Harmony might support GMS. I don't think anyone here was knowingly spreading misinformation, but were rather making reasonable assumptions (I also assumed HarmonyOS wouldn't support GMS, even on my P20). I hope what we see in the video carries over to the final version, it would add a couple of years to the life of the phone

I'm not eager to switch from this totally usable(even great!) phone because of the huge slabs the flagship phones have became in the recent years. I'm not really eager to switch to harmony os either, because of the potential gms problem and integration. The only problem I have is the battery doesn't hold as well as it used to, but that is normal, the phone is 3 years old...
Bottom line, I still love it! It's almost a flawless flagship even today(thinking about changing the battery in their service, but it still lasts me a day)

andrei80 said:
I'm not eager to switch from this totally usable(even great!) phone because of the huge slabs the flagship phones have became in the recent years. I'm not really eager to switch to harmony os either, because of the potential gms problem and integration. The only problem I have is the battery doesn't hold as well as it used to, but that is normal, the phone is 3 years old...
Born line, I still love it! It's almost a flawless flagship even today(thinking about changing the battery in their service, but it still lasts me a day)
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I agree it's still a serviceable phone, but there are a couple of reasons I will need to jump ship. Lack of a major Android update (we'll be 2 versions behind and my employer doesn't let us keep a phone beyond n-1), and lack of security updates. Locking the bootloader midway through the sales cycle for this phone was a big mistake, it would have been one for the ages.

Guys good news. We gonna get HarmonyOS. Except it will be EMUI 12.
https://www.facebook.com/HUAWEICommunityGlobal/posts/3031974087090494

There is no official coment weather it will be harmony or android yet. Hoping for android...

andrei80 said:
There is no official coment weather it will be harmony or android yet. Hoping for android...
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Seeing as we didn't get Android 11 on this phone, I'd be surprised if they provided Android 12. That would be a first, as far as I can tell.

EMUI 12 (beta for now) for older global devices has been confirmed to be Android 10 - based with some bits of HarmonyOS UI code. Nova 9 has been an exception, as it was released with Android 11 - based EMUI 12.x. I highly doubt we will ever get an updated Android 11 - based EMUI 12 on our older devices, when it gets out of Beta.
[EMUI 12] The Taste of HarmonyOS
UPDATE 11/11/2021: EMUI 12 beta program for Mate 40 Pro, P40, P40 Pro, P40 Pro Plus, Mate 30 Pro stared in East Asia and Russia, and now is expanding to some markets in Europe. Download beta app and check if you can participate: https://bit.ly/Bet
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Huawei/comments/qzmn3t

Well, thats mega annoying, had some hope we get a up2date OS once again. Shame on Huawei, after my P20 Pro im done with them for sure too. Not that they restrict Hardware Levels, APIs and so on, but this is too much on top.

Can you record phone calls with this OS?

this morning I received notification that there is update to emui 12.0.0.225, size 4.42GB. downoloading

In Romania too. Not yet on my phone though

not much changed, mostly control center in the shade

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not much changed, mostly control center in the shade
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Yup. I've been using it on my p30pro. Not a spectacular change

Question Any opinions or advice on Android 12, One UI 4.0?

As we're seeing numerous bugs have plagued Android 12. The latest update is Samsung's 4th Final Release. What's your experience been and is it confirmed the update locks the bootloader on previously unlocked devices? I'm holding off on updating until some positive feedback is the norm.

Update to A12 with G998B/DS (Exynos) did not result in locking BL. But as BL is upgraded from 3 to 4, downgrade will not be possible. This is not a new phenomenon, this was always the case with BL-upgrades.
In existing thread there is already a lot of feedback/experience on A12 on the FW for exynos S21U. I see no need to also open same discussions in this new thread, unless it is specified to SD-versions.

OnnoJ said:
Update to A12 with G998B/DS (Exynos) did not result in locking BL. But as BL is upgraded from 3 to 4, downgrade will not be possible. This is not a new phenomenon, this was always the case with BL-upgrades.
In existing thread there is already a lot of feedback/experience on A12 on the FW for exynos S21U. I see no need to also open same discussions in this new thread, unless it is specified to SD-versions.
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No posts in this link discusses the A12 Update, changing CSC is the topic, maybe you're confusing it with a different thread. I'm more interested in hearing from user's with a clean, stable update, Snapdragon or Exynos.

The answer is very simple...A12 is a new OS compared A11. This means it comes with its fair share of bugs. I'm sure you'd remember it took at least 6 or 7 iterations of A11 to get the perfect rom. You should expect the same with A12. I'm expecting by March 2022, we should have a fairly stable A12 rom for the S21Ultra.

That may be the case but I don't remember any Android 11 update with this many glitches and it's not restricted to Samsung, other brands are suffering as well even Pixel. I've always updated my device's whenever a new version is available with no issues but not this time around. Seems every other thread on XDA is reporting problems with A12.

varcor said:
That may be the case but I don't remember any Android 11 update with this many glitches and it's not restricted to Samsung, other brands are suffering as well even Pixel. I've always updated my device's whenever a new version is available with no issues but not this time around. Seems every other thread on XDA is reporting problems with A12.
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Actually, the android version we got in our S21U (A11) was considerable a stable version since the OS was released last September while S21 was out in Feb..so basically we had a more refined version of the OS...A12 is fairly new and hopefully by Feb/ March, the OS will become stable as well...this is the case with any OS..be it Android or iOS

varcor said:
That may be the case but I don't remember any Android 11 update with this many glitches and it's not restricted to Samsung, other brands are suffering as well even Pixel. I've always updated my device's whenever a new version is available with no issues but not this time around. Seems every other thread on XDA is reporting problems with A12.
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I personally think A12 is a potato release.
Every OS has misfires. iOS had iOS 7 and iOS 11.
Android had Lollipop (v5) - absolute lemon of an update.
A12 doesn't seem as bad, but it's a Meh update. From what I've seen, it's built around cosmetic changes mainly with some minimal privacy features peppered in to make it sound more creditworthy than it is. Every single manufacturer is struggling with it, including Google. Maybe OneUI 4.1 will bring a more stable version. But who knows?
All I know is that there aren't enough architectural or performance benefits baked into A12 that justify going one whole number up from A11.
That's just my opinion. Others may feel differently. But I tried it and couldn't suffer it on my phone more than 2 weeks. So I "downgraded" to a faster, peppier A11 build after a gruelling fortnight of hoping, praying, charging and resetting the phone till I couldn't stand it anymore!
The S21 Ultra is best experienced on A11, as of today. Updates may change it for the better, but that's a 'maybe' and 'later' in the same sentence and I'd like to see my device at its best behavior today!

"Every single manufacturer is struggling with it, including Google"
Google blew chunks with this puppy. The blame lies mainly with Google but Samsung is culpable as well, no way should they have released it without in depth testing to sort out compatibilities. You'd think they would have figured it out long ago.

varcor said:
"Every single manufacturer is struggling with it, including Google"
Google blew chunks with this puppy. The blame lies mainly with Google but Samsung is culpable as well, no way should they have released it without in depth testing to sort out compatibilities. You'd think they would have figured it out long ago.
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I think Samsung means well, all things considered. As you say, they could've spent more time fine tuning the A12 releases. But they probably succumbed to the temptation of being one of the first to the table with the new OS. They're getting hammered in almost all markets by the Chinese brands and Apple is eating into their market share too. Release decisions may have been influenced by marketing rather than development. Dunno. Just a guess.
I have to commend their commitment to timely updates. Nobody on the Android camp is as pro-active with with OS updates on as many devices as Sammy is currently. They've come a long way from their TouchWiz days and OneUI is currently my favorite android UX after OxygenOS was neutered by Oppo.
I genuinely think they're trying their best to work with the material they have. The material however (A12) may be the bottleneck here.

Question What's the future update schedule?

Bought this on Android 11 in Early 2021.
Currently on Android 12.
What version of Android will we be going up to?
Where does Samsung post the future/intended updates schedule?
Is it going to be Android 14 as the last version?
Android 12 - Late 2021
Android 13 - Late 2022
Android 14 - Late 2023 --> Last update?

Samsung promised 3 major Android updates and 4 years of security updates. Usually, as time passes and device becomes older, it slips down in priority for os updates. So while we got the A12 update (half cooked or not) at the top of Samsung's list, older phones eligible for the same are going to recieve it a little later, depending on how old they are. So A13 may come in early 2023 instead of Dec 2022 (when the S22U starts getting it) and A14 may come a little later in 2024. By that time the S23U will be in front of the line for A14.
I must admit that Samsung has really stepped up its game when it comes to pushing updates (I'm talking quantity here, quality is another matter) to its devices, both new and old. And they may actually improve the update situation for older devices if things go really well. Only time will tell.
But im fairly sure we'll get timely security updates till the end of 2024.

enigmaamit said:
Samsung promised 3 major Android updates and 4 years of security updates. Usually, as time passes and device becomes older, it slips down in priority for os updates. So while we got the A12 update (half cooked or not) at the top of Samsung's list, older phones eligible for the same are going to recieve it a little later, depending on how old they are. So A13 may come in early 2023 instead of Dec 2022 (when the S22U starts getting it) and A14 may come a little later in 2024. By that time the S23U will be in front of the line for A14.
I must admit that Samsung has really stepped up its game when it comes to pushing updates (I'm talking quantity here, quality is another matter) to its devices, both new and old. And they may actually improve the update situation for older devices if things go really well. Only time will tell.
But im fairly sure we'll get timely security updates till the end of 2024.
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Meanwhile, the iPhone 6S and 6S Plus arrived in September 2015 running iOS 9.
It is currently on iOS 15.3!
That's 7 years!
IMO, this phone deserves to go up to Android 15! But, alas, 'tis only scheduled for going up to 14!

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Meanwhile, the iPhone 6S and 6S Plus arrived in September 2015 running iOS 9.
It is currently on iOS 15.3!
That's 7 years!
IMO, this phone deserves to go up to Android 15! But, alas, 'tis only scheduled for going up to 14!
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I tend to agree that this would be very nice.
My feeling is that this is due to the pretty closed Apple ecosystem. They have everything in their own hand (hardware and software), thus its much easier for them to maintain compatability between both for longer time.
For Android the OS is evolving separately and is then spread out to all the hardware platforms out there - this is much more prone to create incompatabilities over time. Thus the shorter period of maintenance here.....

s3axel said:
I tend to agree that this would be very nice.
My feeling is that this is due to the pretty closed Apple ecosystem. They have everything in their own hand (hardware and software), thus its much easier for them to maintain compatability between both for longer time.
For Android the OS is evolving separately and is then spread out to all the hardware platforms out there - this is much more prone to create incompatabilities over time. Thus the shorter period of maintenance here.....
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They better lower their prices significantly then AND give 5 years of updates.
At this rate. the iPhone 10 will be supported beyond 2027, despite being released in 2017.

nixnixnixnix4 said:
They better lower their prices significantly then AND give 5 years of updates.
At this rate. the iPhone 10 will be supported beyond 2027, despite being released in 2017.
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True enough !
I think in the end this topic may be one of the key differentiators between Android and IOS and, depending on preferences, may trigger a buying decision. This may also in the end push Android phone makers to move towards longer maintenance cycles..... On top of that I personally think its heavily advisable from an ecological standpoint !

nixnixnixnix4 said:
They better lower their prices significantly then AND give 5 years of updates.
At this rate. the iPhone 10 will be supported beyond 2027, despite being released in 2017.
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With all the talk of increasing phone prices and plateauing phone performance, iPhones seem to have a lower cost of ownership per year if you look at the duration for which they are officially supported, despite the high initial cost. 'Technically' the only thing that degrades over time is the battery, which can be replaced fairly easily - even multiple times. But reality is sometimes different. I had an iPhone 6S until a year ago. New battery, 100% health. But it wasn't as good as it was on older iOS versions. Every update added a few features but somehow killed it a little bit. Just enough to keep it functional, but a little more limpy than before.
Getting new updates for years is amazing, but whether the OS updates add to the phone ownership experience or subtract from it is the thing to see here. If new OS updates slow down the phone or degrade battery life, isn't it better to stay on the OS version that is best optimised for that particular device during its peak years? And just get security patches, without messing around with OS version?
Updates nowadays seem to be a coin toss for most major version upgrades, both on iOS as well as Android. And usually the older phones suffer most. Sometimes a new major OS update almost cripples a phone. My OnePlus 6 worked so well on A10, till A11 borked it! Fortunately i was able to revert back. Apple doesn't even allow downgrading the OS after a short period (signing). Same with Android rollback prevention. Sometimes you're stuck with a bad 'upgrade' with no way to end the nightmare, except get a new device.
However, all said and done, apple neuters it's phones a lot less when compared to most Android manufacturers.
I've become very wary of updating software on anything nowadays unless there's an issue I need fixed or a new feature that I'm willing to risk anything for.

enigmaamit said:
Samsung promised 3 major Android updates and 4 years of security updates. Usually, as time passes and device becomes older, it slips down in priority for os updates. So while we got the A12 update (half cooked or not) at the top of Samsung's list, older phones eligible for the same are going to recieve it a little later, depending on how old they are. So A13 may come in early 2023 instead of Dec 2022 (when the S22U starts getting it) and A14 may come a little later in 2024. By that time the S23U will be in front of the line for A14.
I must admit that Samsung has really stepped up its game when it comes to pushing updates (I'm talking quantity here, quality is another matter) to its devices, both new and old. And they may actually improve the update situation for older devices if things go really well. Only time will tell.
But im fairly sure we'll get timely security updates till the end of 2024.
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You are in a dream. Woke up. Most of us we stop updating our phones after first update. I learn my lesson, after every samsung update something is broken or feature taken away. When you buy a new phone, you have to rooted and fix yourself what you need, otherwise you are stuck in a loop hole with updates, fixes, waiting till next month for fix . I never update my s20 ultra and working smoothly and better than s21 ultra with stupid android 12 and other updates

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I'm not sure that's entirely accurate. What you describe isn't what 'most' people follow. It's just a minority of tech enthusiasts who can figure out how to block updates. Everyone else just follows the system prompt.

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I'm not sure that's entirely accurate. What you describe isn't what 'most' people follow. It's just a minority of tech enthusiasts who can figure out how to block updates. Everyone else just follows the system prompt.
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I know that is a minority, and I think most of the people who access XDA know what they doing or looking to learn. With all the information available here, you cannot stay androind sheep and dance how tech companies wants. I just love how android world it's define by developers " we are willing to share "

OK. So, apparently, Samsung is promising 4 OS generation updates with 5 years of security updates.
So, the S21 series will be going to Android 15.
I'll replace this phone in early 2025 then.

Question ...Android 12?

Any news from A12 Update for the OriginOs Version?

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Any news from A12 Update for the OriginOs Version?
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Don't think chinese version will be updated. X50 Pro Plus is still on A10 after 2 years.
Android base updates are only for international model with FuntouchOS which is stock based.

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Don't think chinese version will be updated. X50 Pro Plus is still on A10 after 2 years.
Android base updates are only for international model with FuntouchOS which is stock based.
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It's too early to jump to conclusions. Vivo updates its phones accordingly. And it's unlikely for a Chinese company to upgrade international models and omitting the domestic ones.
More likely, Vivo had hands full of OriginOS and Ocean upgrade and therefore delayed Android upgrade. We'll see.
Besides, Android 12 is not a big deal, it's more or less graphical improvement. OriginOS Ocean has its own architecture and additional features, so it's nothing much to gain. Android 13 may have significant system upgrades.
And don't forget: Vivo X50 pro+ was scheduled for upgrade only for March 2022. It's still a few days delay.

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It's too early to jump to conclusions. Vivo updates its phones accordingly. And it's unlikely for a Chinese company to upgrade international models and omitting the domestic ones.
More likely, Vivo had hands full of OriginOS and Ocean upgrade and therefore delayed Android upgrade. We'll see.
Besides, Android 12 is not a big deal, it's more or less graphical improvement. OriginOS Ocean has its own architecture and additional features, so it's nothing much to gain. Android 13 may have significant system upgrades.
And don't forget: Vivo X50 pro+ was scheduled for upgrade only for March 2022. It's still a few days delay.
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Vivo X50 pro + is already updated on Ocean OS but base android is still 10.
It's a matter of fact: X50 Pro is still on A10, X51 (european version of X50 Pro) is on A12; that's is understandable as FuntouchOS is really stock, while OriginOs/OceanOs not.

beta a12 origin os ocean is allready out... so... the stable final will be available soon. be patient...

Beta is on Android 11. Don't think it will ever upgraded to A12

Question How many android OS updates will the x90 pro plus receive?

Does anyone know how many android OS updates Vivo has promised for the x90 pro plus.

None are promised. 1-2 based on history of the China OS phones. E.g x70 pro+ the direct successor only got a single one so far from Android 11 to 13. It never got 12 and security updates arrived late. No monthly updates on security updates but rather 2-3 monthly in it's first 18 months. The funtouch OS x70 pro+ on the other hand received Android 12 and 13 as well as more timely updates.
I think no China OS vivo ever received more than 2 major upgrades and that's when they didn't skip one.
Security Updates run for 2.5 years or so.
Basically Vivo considers your phone to be junk after that time and expects you to upgrade. Resale value after 2 years therefore next to nothing....

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None are promised. 1-2 based on history of the China OS phones. E.g x70 pro+ the direct successor only got a single one so far from Android 11 to 13. It never got 12 and security updates arrived late. No monthly updates on security updates but rather 2-3 monthly in it's first 18 months. The funtouch OS x70 pro+ on the other hand received Android 12 and 13 as well as more timely updates.
I think no China OS vivo ever received more than 2 major upgrades and that's when they didn't skip one.
Security Updates run for 2.5 years or so.
Basically Vivo considers your phone to be junk after that time and expects you to upgrade. Resale value after 2 years therefore next to nothing....
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Hmmm I saw on a website that x90 and x90 pro will get three major os upgrades so maybe the pro plus will get three as well? I think I can live with 2 major upgrades as my Xiaomi Mi 9 from android 9 had its final upgrade to android 11. Even though I can blu and root the device for custom ROMs I've never liked the look of AOSP based ROMs so haven't bothered.
It's either the x90 pro plus or the vivo X fold plus for me. The ppi of X fold plus is only 360 ppi on an 8inch seems quite low and I'm not sure how images and icons will look on it compared to ~517ppi of the x90 pro plus.

The promise is only for funtouch OS, and while the x70 pro plus with funtouch OS got android 12 and 13, origin OS only got 13 and never 12....
With the x70pro+ the real precessor of the x90pro+ I would not hold much hope. Especially seeing it will enter March on December security update which for a new flagship is simply intolerable. Xiaomi and BBK seem to outdo each other in who can provide slower updates, but BBK clearly wins on the we can provide less major upgrades than any other major producer...
And no no bootloader unlock/root for x90 series! So no way for AOSP.

Probably about 2 years worth of steady updates and maybe one last year of small patches.

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Probably about 2 years worth of steady updates and maybe one last year of small patches.
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Steady yes, but as shown so far that doesn't mean including security updates, nor major Android versions. It could well happen to x90pro+ origin OS 4 comes out on Android 13 instead of Android 14...
Like Huawei on some phones where they pushed updates updating next to nothing, even claiming to include security patches, and not including them (without root hard to asses, but in retroperspect you can notice it. E g huawei p30pro last 18 months only every second update actually included the claimed security patches - BBK and Xiaomi aren't good at fully integrating them either. Only google/Samsung are reliable there. However so far only Huawei outright didn't include anything of a claimed security patch).

my ex VIvo x70 pro plus received 3 Origin OS versions (1.0 - 2.0 - 3.0)
The X90 PP came out with OriginOS 3.0 (I think at least 2-3 major updates will be available)

But Origin OS 2.0 on the X70 Pro+ was based on Android 11 not 12!
Will it receive O OS 4.0? maybe, maybe not. Maybe based on Android 13...
I much rather keep the old rotten oranges OS but get a new Android version than the other way round.

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But Origin OS 2.0 on the X70 Pro+ was based on Android 11 not 12!
Will it receive O OS 4.0? maybe, maybe not. Maybe based on Android 13...
I much rather keep the old rotten oranges OS but get a new Android version than the other way round.
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I don't care much about the android version that mounts a specific interface
(Just look at huawei with its EMUI 13 which has only recently arrived with Android13)
Who wants the latest android that takes a Galaxy or Pixel, certainly not Vivo

The question in this thread here was however how many Android versions will it get.
And yeah - Huawei is a perfect example - I didn't see any improvements but just degradation for myself in EMUI updates - while missing all the goodies of new functionality offered by Android OS updates.
At least Vivo allows removing the stupid dual drop down status menu./quicksettings. Hated that on EMUI like the pest. I run Nova launcher - and the less I have to interfere with EMUI or rotten oranges the better!
Everyone here has different opinions on what is important.

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The question in this thread here was however how many Android versions will it get.
And yeah - Huawei is a perfect example - I didn't see any improvements but just degradation for myself in EMUI updates - while missing all the goodies of new functionality offered by Android OS updates.
At least Vivo allows removing the stupid dual drop down status menu./quicksettings. Hated that on EMUI like the pest. I run Nova launcher - and the less I have to interfere with EMUI or rotten oranges the better!
Everyone here has different opinions on what is important.
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To clarify that the latest "android version" doesn't mean it's better ... At least for me

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To clarify that the latest "android version" doesn't mean it's better ... At least for me
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There is one huge advantage of the latest android version - while most (especially Chinese and Indian) phone producers have been found to cheat on security updates and not include all of them - a major android version means you can be 100% assured that all old patches are included. Of course producers adapting the OS can create new holes apart from the AOSP source - but at least you know that those are fixed.

Man I've been researching for a month now the vivo X fold plus or the x90 pro plus as my next phone. Now I'm not so sure which one to buy. I would prefer the actual os upgrade with new features instead of origin os version upgrades without new features or missing security patches. It's all confusing.

Well when it comes to updates don't get a BBK phone. Even Xiaomi is slightly better and they really rally for who can be worse...
Asus and Motorola aren't great but a bit better.
Honor seems to be best on flagships for a Chinese company and their pricing isn't China halt price of the rest of the world but pretty similar...
Just to note, the x70 pro plus origin OS, which was just released last week manages to be on November security patch... Maybe they think half yearly is fine? I mean the phone is already 1.5 years old. Why would you want current updates on such an old phone? It's time to throw it away and get a new much better one....

Vivo promised 3 years of OS updates in china according to baidu.

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Vivo promised 3 years of OS updates in china according to baidu.
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baidu is a search engine mainly, please provide your source. And OS fo Vivo means rotten Oranges not Android...
My nearly 4 year old P30Pro today got Android February security patches (after previously being on December patch) - X90Pro+ nothing to be seen...
I guess it will go straight to March Update. So right now the X90Pro+ seems on a 3 months update cycle - and that right after release....
Guess next year it will move to 6 months?

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Just to note, the x70 pro plus origin OS, which was just released last week manages to be on November security patch... Maybe they think half yearly is fine? I mean the phone is already 1.5 years old. Why would you want current updates on such an old phone? It's time to throw it away and get a new much better one....
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The x70 pro plus last update bump security patch to February 2023
The X90 PP will follow shortly

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The x70 pro plus last update bump security patch to February 2023
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Ah I guess this shortly is vivo speak for nothing happening in 17 days .. (and then the staged rollout using trial updates will take at least 7 days more for stable updates once it's ever published...
X90PP still having received a single security update since it was released (December patch end of December) likely that one was considered important as by that time many reviews written.
Stating something as a fact that doesn't happen...
Seems we have to be lucky if that crappy software with a 9.8 rated actively exploited bug is updated every three months. Sales of x90pro+ must have been dismal vs the expectations after the huge marketing campaign so now just treat it like a budget phone update wise...
Btw the march security patches by google include a fix for a zero day exploit which is actively exploited (full phone can be taken over, bug in the Samsung modem) and it's enough to know the telephone number of the user... Several vivo phones affected, amongst them x30,x50,x60 series... No patch yet for them.. Samsung and google published the updates for affected phones already, vivo hasn't. But yeah who cares, it's just a 9.8 /10 critical bug, right?
There was a 9.7 level bug in the February update that applies to the x90pp. It's very likely it's actively exploited too otherwise it would not get such a high score... This no update policy is simply a security nightmare by vivo.
Can only hope that google announces to remove certification for phones with slow updates else vivo likely won't improve...

BTW - the X90 Pro global version has already the March patches. It would be super unlikely if the X90pro+ ever receives an earlier patch level...
And I call it bull**** that it's difficult to implement a security patch (as long as it doesn't "fix" some bugs that you deliberately opened e.g. for spyware. The X90 Pro+ has March security updates and it was compiled on 1. March. Meaning within hours of the patch files being available Vivo had alredy compiled the finished version.
That's why Custom Android versions also always had the newest patches very quickly.
X90Pro+ is 3 months behind on security updates vs X90Pro and most other phones. it's pretty incredible. BBKs most expensive flagship phone and simply no updates...

bmw320cd said:
The x70 pro plus last update bump security patch to February 2023
The X90 PP will follow shortly
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Any idea when? Waiting for those patches so Google Wallet works.