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I have been in contact with several friends of mine in the legal field who have direct friends in the class action field. They will be able to draft a complaint for us against HTC for their deceptive business practices. What we need is a list of those of us who have so far paid the actual 35 dollar restocking fee to AT&T because of this bootloader issue. I.e., we paid for the phone with the understanding that the bootloader would be unlocked per the statements of HTC's CEO. We purchased a phone with expectation of certain abilities and we are actively denied them. We are thus forced to return our phones and are charged a fee from AT&T/HTC.
I am assured that we will be able to mount a good attack on them because of these lies. Anyone willing to put their name down as representatives of the class? Im returning mine tomorrow and will be the first to sign my name on the dotted line with the receipt to prove that their deceptive business practices/outright lies by the CEO of the company have cost me 35 dollars.
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Andrew Ogden Feel free to message me if you would like to be included (I have received 33 messages in the last 13 minutes since this post). We are also drafting an FTC complaint against HTC. 1 hour ago · Like
HTC Hi Andrew - We're working on this, but unfortunately I don't have anything yet. Check out this thread for more: https://www.facebook.com/HTC/posts/10150571266758084 16 minutes ago · Like
Andrew Ogden Oh I am aware of that conversation. So are the 86 people so far who have messaged me on Facebook about their returns of the vivid already. I have 11 images of receipts showing the restocking fees that this debacle has been costing us. Once we hit 50 then complaint will be filed. Since it took 1 hour to get 11 confirmed customers damaged by the lies of HTC, I imagine well file by close of business tomorrow.
How about those of us who are unable to return the device? I hate to say it, but I'm looking on CL for Skyrocket trades.
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How about those of us who are unable to return the device? I hate to say it, but I'm looking on CL for Skyrocket trades.
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How about those of us who are unable to return the device? I hate to say it, but I'm looking on CL for Skyrocket trades.
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We are still working on a way to include that in the statement. If you incur any costs going to another phone, as in paying EVEN more to get rid of your less than advertised phone, then we might be able to get it in.
First post updated. 11 confirmed receipts of those paying restocking fees over this issue so far. Once I get 50 the filing will go out. Keep the receipts coming.
36 receipts so far
Sent from my vivid which is going back to AT&T because of HTC's Lies about the bootloader
I'm returning my phone either today or tomorrow. Ill go back to my iphone till this is sorted.
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I won't return mine since I have 3 weeks left. If the phone is not s-off in 2 weeks, you'll have another receipt.
Sent from HTC Vivid!
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I won't return mine since I have 3 weeks left. If the phone is not s-off in 2 weeks, you'll have another receipt.
Sent from HTC Vivid!
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+1 even tho i would like to say SUE THEM BASTARDS lol
Yea I already past my 30 Return with Best Buy so I am kinda SOL.
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Yea I already past my 30 Return with Best Buy so I am kinda SOL.
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the phone didnt come out until the 6th....its not the 6th of December yet
Yeah, let's line the pockets of lawyers with more $$$. Poor, broke lawyers. No wonder the rest of the world does not take us seriously.
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Yeah, let's line the pockets of lawyers with more $$$. Poor, broke lawyers. No wonder the rest of the world does not take us seriously.
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This is clearly a case where legal action is warranted. To do it well you need a lawyer, I dont see an issue there. Lawyers provide a needed service.
I'm returning mine on Sunday and will be more than happy to provide a copy of my receipt for you. That is if att allows me to return it. When I bought it they said I had returned too many phones this year. It's not my fault they sell crap
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I'll be returning this phone and buying hence a more expensive model due to HTC lack of promise. I'll show you copy of my receipt when I return it and gladly sign on dotted line.
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I have heard a couple of mixed things about this...so maybe someone can clarify for me...
Is it they Are not going to and Refuse to unlock the bootloader
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Are they saying it just isn't available now at this moment and will get around to it?
...Cause I have heard both....but don't really understand enough to know what the truth or what is actually happening...
Thanks
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I have heard a couple of mixed things about this...so maybe someone can clarify for me...
Is it they Are not going to and Refuse to unlock the bootloader
OR
Are they saying it just isn't available now at this moment and will get around to it?
...Cause I have heard both....but don't really understand enough to know what the truth or what is actually happening...
Thanks
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a bit of both.
1. The CEO Stated on May 26th that HTC would "no longer be locking the bootloaders on our devices"
LIE Unlike Samsung, HTC Bootloaders are locked by default and users must jump through hoops, including signing away their right to warranty to unlock them... when an unlock is even available for their device
2. Many Devices, the HTC Vivid amongst them, have no unlock available
3. HTC's closest statement to an actual statement on the issue, is that they have no unlock available. They "continue to work with carriers to unlock devices"
4. AT&T sells Samsung phones unlocked by default, meaning this is not a carrier issue.
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a bit of both.
1. The CEO Stated on May 26th that HTC would "no longer be locking the bootloaders on our devices"
LIE Unlike Samsung, HTC Bootloaders are locked by default and users must jump through hoops, including signing away their right to warranty to unlock them... when an unlock is even available for their device
2. Many Devices, the HTC Vivid amongst them, have no unlock available
3. HTC's closest statement to an actual statement on the issue, is that they have no unlock available. They "continue to work with carriers to unlock devices"
4. AT&T sells Samsung phones unlocked by default, meaning this is not a carrier issue.
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Thanks for the reply, yeah that would have been my next question, cause I know with some other carriers like sprint, It's the carriers decision.
I wonder...
im keeping my receipt for my restocking fee cause of this
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im keeping my receipt for my restocking fee cause of this
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Bought AT&T Note 3 from craigslist. Seller reported it as stolen after selling it to me. AT&T now blacklisted the phone. What can I do?
So I fully verified the phone before buying it, checked IMEI at AT&T store and everything was clean. I paid $570 for the phone to the craigslist guy. Two hours later, he reported it as stolen to get another phone from his AT&T insurance. AT&T detected the IMEI of my Note 3 and blacklisted the phone.
I already filed a case with the police. I have all the proof that I bought the phone and I also remembered his license plate of the car. Did some google search and I have the Guy's full name, his car information and his house address. I have all the documents to prove that I bought the phone from him.
I went to AT&T store and also talked to 3 different people at AT&T customer care. Even though I have all the documents, AT&T refused to remove the phone from blacklist. As per AT&T, the only way to remove it from blacklist is to have the original owner call AT&T and request for it.
The police also didn't seem very positive. They kinda told me that they will do their best but they can't guarantee anything and they will have to talk to AT&T about the policy. Its been 45 days since I reported the case to the police and there has not been any progress yet. One of the police officer 'hinted' me that I should sell the phone to someone else on craigslist.
What can I do in this situation, reddit? Please help me. I think changing IMEI is illegal and very difficult to do. I know changing IMEI discussion is not allowed on this forum, but I own a pantex dumb phone from 10 years ago. Can I replace my IMEI with another phone I own? Is there any other way to get my phone working?
TL;DR: Purchased a phone from craigslist, seller reported it as stolen to benefit from insurance fraud. Police and AT&T refused to help even though I have all proof and document that I bought the phone from the guy. I have the guy's house address and phone number.
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Bought AT&T Note 3 from craigslist. Seller reported it as stolen after selling it to me. AT&T now blacklisted the phone. What can I do?
So I fully verified the phone before buying it, checked IMEI at AT&T store and everything was clean. I paid $570 for the phone to the craigslist guy. Two hours later, he reported it as stolen to get another phone from his AT&T insurance. AT&T detected the IMEI of my Note 3 and blacklisted the phone.
I already filed a case with the police. I have all the proof that I bought the phone and I also remembered his license plate of the car. Did some google search and I have the Guy's full name, his car information and his house address. I have all the documents to prove that I bought the phone from him.
I went to AT&T store and also talked to 3 different people at AT&T customer care. Even though I have all the documents, AT&T refused to remove the phone from blacklist. As per AT&T, the only way to remove it from blacklist is to have the original owner call AT&T and request for it.
The police also didn't seem very positive. They kinda told me that they will do their best but they can't guarantee anything and they will have to talk to AT&T about the policy. Its been 45 days since I reported the case to the police and there has not been any progress yet. One of the police officer 'hinted' me that I should sell the phone to someone else on craigslist.
What can I do in this situation, reddit? Please help me. I think changing IMEI is illegal and very difficult to do. I know changing IMEI discussion is not allowed on this forum, but I own a pantex dumb phone from 10 years ago. Can I replace my IMEI with another phone I own? Is there any other way to get my phone working?
TL;DR: Purchased a phone from craigslist, seller reported it as stolen to benefit from insurance fraud. Police and AT&T refused to help even though I have all proof and document that I bought the phone from the guy. I have the guy's house address and phone number.
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You can indeed file a police report. He stole your IMEI number. That's what you are filling the report on. Your proof of purchase is what you need to show the police showing that you own that IMEI number. Take him to small claims court if you have to, it normally cost $25 bucks or so depending on where your located and present your case. AT&T can also help you, but it depends on how you sugar coat it to who you're talking to.
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You can indeed file a police report. He stole your IMEI number. That's what you are filling the report on. Your proof of purchase is what you need to show the police showing that you own that IMEI number. Take him to small claims court if you have to, it normally cost $25 bucks or so depending on where your located and present your case. AT&T can also help you, but it depends on how you sugar coat it to who you're talking to.
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As I said, I already filed a police report 45 days ago.
From Police: "We are still investigating. We have filed subpoena to AT&T to release the seller's account information" I tried following up with police couple of times and I get the same response everytime. Police has a copy of all the documents and my email exchange including phone logs with the seller.
As per AT&T: "As far as we are concerned, the phone still belongs to the original owner, and ONLY HE can call AT&T to remove the phone from AT&T blacklist". I showed AT&T the proof of purchase and copy of the police report I filed but they didnt care looking at it.
At this point, I am down $570. I do not want to scam someone else on craigslist by selling this phone. I just want this phone to work. Is there anyway I can get this working?
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Agent said:
You can indeed file a police report. He stole your IMEI number. That's what you are filling the report on. Your proof of purchase is what you need to show the police showing that you own that IMEI number. Take him to small claims court if you have to, it normally cost $25 bucks or so depending on where your located and present your case. AT&T can also help you, but it depends on how you sugar coat it to who you're talking to.
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....root unlock go to net10 or t mobile or simple or metro or straight talk
..case closed
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....root unlock go to net10 or t mobile or simple or metro or straight talk
..case closed
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They all share the blacklist IMEI, phone is no good on any US GSM network
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....root unlock go to net10 or t mobile or simple or metro or straight talk
..case closed
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That won't work. Case reopened
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As I said, I already filed a police report 45 days ago.
From Police: "We are still investigating. We have filed subpoena to AT&T to release the seller's account information" I tried following up with police couple of times and I get the same response everytime. Police has a copy of all the documents and my email exchange including phone logs with the seller.
As per AT&T: "As far as we are concerned, the phone still belongs to the original owner, and ONLY HE can call AT&T to remove the phone from AT&T blacklist". I showed AT&T the proof of purchase and copy of the police report I filed but they didnt care looking at it.
At this point, I am down $570. I do not want to scam someone else on craigslist by selling this phone. I just want this phone to work. Is there anyway I can get this working?
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You need to find a way to talk to their back office. Your gonna have to do some digging and calling, but ultimately they have the ability to whitelist the phone again. Keep following up at the police department at least once a week to get a status. Ask them how long AT&T has to respond.
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That won't work. Case reopened
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You need to find a way to talk to their back office. Your gonna have to do some digging and calling, but ultimately they have the ability to whitelist the phone again. Keep following up at the police department at least once a week to get a status. Ask them how long AT&T has to respond.
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From the AT&T online link, http://smallbusiness.bellsouth.com/subpoena/
Customer Notification: It is AT&T's policy to attempt to notify our subscriber upon receipt of a civil subpoena demand for their account information. AT&T‘s notification is generally made via U.S. mail to the current account billing address on file. There is a 2 week wait period before disclosure of their information is made.
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So, AT&T will release the information within 2 weeks from the day it received the request. Police filed the subpoena on 25th Nov (Don't know if they faxed it or used the regular mail). By this timeline, I think police should have gotten all the information they need by now. I called the detective last week and she was still waiting for the AT&T's response. I am going to follow up with police again tomorrow. (I dont want to bug police a lot, I dont want to annoy them when they are trying to help me)
On a side note, since I have the guy's address, if I go to his house and knock the door to talk about this-- am I breaking any law here? Is it called trespassing when I have a legit reason to talk to the house owner?
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From the AT&T online link, http://smallbusiness.bellsouth.com/subpoena/
So, AT&T will release the information within 2 weeks from the day it received the request. Police filed the subpoena on 25th Nov (Don't know if they faxed it or used the regular mail). By this timeline, I think police should have gotten all the information they need by now. I called the detective last week and she was still waiting for the AT&T's response. I am going to follow up with police again tomorrow. (I dont want to bug police a lot, I dont want to annoy them when they are trying to help me)
On a side note, since I have the guy's address, if I go to his house and knock the door to talk about this-- am I breaking any law here? Is it called trespassing when I have a legit reason to talk to the house owner?
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Just be careful, you never know about craigslist people. He could shoot you I suppose. As for repairing IMEI's I don't think anyone on XDA will help since they don't like dealing with stolen phones.
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From the AT&T online link, http://smallbusiness.bellsouth.com/subpoena/
So, AT&T will release the information within 2 weeks from the day it received the request. Police filed the subpoena on 25th Nov (Don't know if they faxed it or used the regular mail). By this timeline, I think police should have gotten all the information they need by now. I called the detective last week and she was still waiting for the AT&T's response. I am going to follow up with police again tomorrow. (I dont want to bug police a lot, I dont want to annoy them when they are trying to help me)
On a side note, since I have the guy's address, if I go to his house and knock the door to talk about this-- am I breaking any law here? Is it called trespassing when I have a legit reason to talk to the house owner?
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I would type up a letter and slide it under his front door. Explain to him that you have filed a police report that is being actively investigated, and that you are prepared to take it to court. Tell him that you simply need him to call AT&T to remove the phone from blacklist.
If I were in your situation, I might even go so far as to suggest (in the letter) that the police are somehow waiting on your permission to pay him a visit (lol idk) OR that AT&T has requested the police report and will block the new IMEI in suspicion of fraud. Also, include all of the info you have on him (i.e. full name, license plate, etc).
I forgot to mention, I know a guy who had this same exact problem. Bought a phone from att had it on his account for awhile then the previous owner reported it stolen.
Att let him buy a brand new Note 3 for new contract price.
It sounds like you have done everything a reasonable person can do in this situation and your efforts will make things a lot easier for the police as it sounds like you have done a lot of the leg work for them.
I know you are out $570.00 and that sucks, but you need to give the police time to gather records, interview the seller and to conduct their investigation. I would recommend given them a call once a week and checking in though so the case does not become stale. A respectful and appreciative attitude will go a long way when speaking to the investigating officer.
I don't know about Minneapolis, but here in small town Alaska, you could anticipate this taking anywhere from a few months to a couple of years to be resolved. I'm sure the police in Minneapolis are just as busy as the police here and this crime isn't a priority to any department unless the crime and or criminal is part of a larger problem that is being investigated.
It's a huge benefit that you have tracked the seller down already and given the police a lot of evidence to go on initially. This alone may move this into a 'give me' arrest and prosecution and police are like anyone else in that they have no problem picking low hanging fruit.
As for going to the sellers house...bad idea. If he has an IQ of 100, he can kill you if so inclined and not face prosecution. By going to his house to 'talk' to him, you will be seen as the aggressor and you do not want to be in that position. Best case scenario is you end up dead, injured or in jail yourself.
Police departments put out PSA's for a reason telling people not to buy phones from Craigslist. It is also common knowledge that if you buy a phone from Craigslist or another unknown private party, you have the seller call the provider and have them release the phone to you before giving them one red cent.
Let the police handle it.
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I forgot to mention, I know a guy who had this same exact problem. Bought a phone from att had it on his account for awhile then the previous owner reported it stolen.
Att let him buy a brand new Note 3 for new contract price.
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For all we know, that dude might on here reading this while checking out the latest SS and ROMs
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For all we know, that dude might on here reading this while checking out the latest SS and ROMs
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SS and ROMs not going to help you with stolen IMEI's
From my time working as a rep and assistant manager for ccare, this will be a hard process to reverse; I saw this happening a lot, divorced couples, estranged friends.This is due to all of the scammers and thieves out there trying to make a quick buck on stolen phones. Its a good thing unfortunately it looks like it works both ways. The idiot doesn't need to report the phone stolen to get an insurance replacement. Att and asurion are two different companies, where they share info when relevant, so after the claim was processed, they wont care if he whitelists the device. But of course he would have to do that, or someone posing as him. The best course is police action; it may take a while, but its probably going to be the only way....
if you unlock it with region lock away by chainfire it will work on any other network regardless of blacklist.
here is a link of the successful story
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2537359
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SS and ROMs not going to help you with stolen IMEI's
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I mean the guy who ripped off the op. He might be trying to customize his illegally acquired new Note 3.
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pham818 said:
if you unlock it with region lock away by chainfire it will work on any other network regardless of blacklist.
here is a link of the successful story
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2537359
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Having a bad IMEI phone regardless of being unlocked will still be denied by carriers such as MetroPCS and TMobile. That thread you linked he didn't really weigh in on whether or not he used his phone in the USA after being unlocked.
UPDATE: 12/19/13 Received call from Police
So I just received a call from the detective who was investigating the case. She got the information from AT&T. She went to the suspect's house and she interviewed him. Suspect said that this was an "error" and he didn't know about it. The detective made him call AT&T while she was at his house and he removed it from blacklist. Detective told me that she spoke to AT&T too who confirmed that its been removed from blacklist. Detective was told by AT&T that if you power off and power on the device, its good to go now.
But, I called AT&T myself to confirm that this IMEI is removed from blacklist and they denied it. Its still showing as blacklist on AT&T side. The rep told me that if the request was made to remove from blacklist, it will take 24-48 hrs before the device is removed from blacklist. So fingers crossed.
I will give it benefit of doubt and wait for 48 hours before calling AT&T again to verify that its been removed from blacklist. If not, I will contact the police again.
One thing I did not like about this case is the suspect said it was an "error" and officer did not do anything against him. He was indeed committing a fraud. Shouldn't he be charged for his actions? I would be satisfied if he was punished in some way for wasting my time and making me go without a phone for a month.
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So I just received a call from the detective who was investigating the case. She got the information from AT&T. She went to the suspect's house and she interviewed him. Suspect said that this was an "error" and he didn't know about it. The detective made him call AT&T while she was at his house and he removed it from blacklist. Detective told me that she spoke to AT&T too who confirmed that its been removed from blacklist. Detective was told by AT&T that if you power off and power on the device, its good to go now.
But, I called AT&T myself to confirm that this IMEI is removed from blacklist and they denied it. Its still showing as blacklist on AT&T side. The rep told me that if the request was made to remove from blacklist, it will take 24-48 hrs before the device is removed from blacklist. So fingers crossed.
I will give it benefit of doubt and wait for 48 hours before calling AT&T again to verify that its been removed from blacklist. If not, I will contact the police again.
One thing I did not like about this case is the suspect said it was an "error" and officer did not do anything against him. He was indeed committing a fraud. Shouldn't he be charged for his actions? I would be satisfied if he was punished in some way for wasting my time and making me go without a phone for a month.
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In order for that to happen you need to go to small claims court by filling a civil suit. Good luck
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In order for that to happen you need to go to small claims court by filling a civil suit. Good luck
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If I go to small claims court, what can I claim for? For the hassle I had to go through? For my time? Can I charge him for $ amount for this?
So, theres a guy on craigslist who was selling his Note 3 in box for $400, and I offered $325. Now, what I had planned to do was to meet in public, most likely at the AT&T store, pop in my sim, and check to make sure its working. Also, I was going to check the imei number, and make up a bill of sale with the imei included. Anything else I can do?
And if the phone is linked to their contract, and they end up not paying, that will blacklist the phone correct? Will a bill of sale protect me?
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So, theres a guy on craigslist who was selling his Note 3 in box for $400, and I offered $325. Now, what I had planned to do was to meet in public, most likely at the AT&T store, pop in my sim, and check to make sure its working. Also, I was going to check the imei number, and make up a bill of sale with the imei included. Anything else I can do?
And if the phone is linked to their contract, and they end up not paying, that will blacklist the phone correct? Will a bill of sale protect me?
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Well, I think I scared him off anyway. I requested pictures, the imei number, receipt of purchase, and that he was going to have to sign a bill of sale. He said ok, and hasn't replied in two hours. Oh well, I need to save money for a trip anyway, I'm just tired of looking at my LG Optimus G Pro. I want to upgrade, as stupid as it sounds.
Nothing will protect you against blacklisting of IMEI numbers. It's only going to get worse on Craigslist with programs like AT&T Next. Even if it's not blacklisted today it might be in 2 months when the not paid phone hits collections.
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DarthScabrous said:
Well, I think I scared him off anyway. I requested pictures, the imei number, receipt of purchase, and that he was going to have to sign a bill of sale. He said ok, and hasn't replied in two hours. Oh well, I need to save money for a trip anyway, I'm just tired of looking at my LG Optimus G Pro. I want to upgrade, as stupid as it sounds.
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You did the right thing..who cares if you think you scared a thief away...You protected yourself from scumbags that rip good people off..spending that kind of money and getting blacklisted isn't worth all the hassle.....If you find a honest seller he/she won't hesitate at all for a bill of sale...
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Nothing will protect you against blacklisting of IMEI numbers. It's only going to get worse on Craigslist with programs like AT&T Next. Even if it's not blacklisted today it might be in 2 months when the not paid phone hits collections.
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True..but as long as he had a proper "bill of sale" least he has some evidence of a crooked seller,and have more options then nothing at all.....But your exactly right though, and it will get worse with more carriers offering upgrades sooner.
I've sold many phones on ebay and craigslist and also purchased quite a few. I never had any problems doing so. Just use common sense, see what the person is like, never go alone when meeting someone. And obviously make sure it's not blacklisted. A person who was a serious seller would do whatever needed to make the sale, however it is best to explain why you want the information you're asking for. Otherwise they'll think you're just being annoying lol
This thread is about a guy that bought an N3 off Craigslist, and the seller blacklisted it a few hours after the sale (insurance fraud). You may want to make sure the seller transfers ownership to you with AT&T.
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So, theres a guy on craigslist who was selling his Note 3 in box for $400, and I offered $325. Now, what I had planned to do was to meet in public, most likely at the AT&T store, pop in my sim, and check to make sure its working. Also, I was going to check the imei number, and make up a bill of sale with the imei included. Anything else I can do?
And if the phone is linked to their contract, and they end up not paying, that will blacklist the phone correct? Will a bill of sale protect me?
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I never had any problems doing so. Just use common sense, see what the person is like, never go alone when meeting someone. And obviously make sure it's not blacklisted. A person who was a serious seller would do whatever needed to make the sale, however it is best to explain why you want the information you're asking for. Otherwise they'll think you're just being annoying lol
Has anyone ever sold their device while it was still financed?
No but I know att has a spot when you view your stuff online to view what you owe to own it
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If you financed through Google, you can sell it as the IMEI doesn't show up as financed and the phone is unlocked. Carrier phone IMEI should show up as financed like my T-Mobile phones. I sold my 3A without any issues.
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Has anyone ever sold their device while it was still financed?
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Is that even allowed without informing the poor bastard that bought it that he's locked out? That is a weird question. Why do you ask it?
No. You still owe money on it. Pay it off before you sell it to someone else. This applies to anything that you finance in life.
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Has anyone ever sold their device while it was still financed?
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I'm almost certain that is fraud. You don't own it to sell it!
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No. You still owe money on it. Pay it off before you sell it to someone else. This applies to anything that you finance in life.
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m+a+r+k said:
Isn't that illegal? You don't own it to sell it!
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People sell their houses and cars all the time that they don't completely own, while still being financed. Why should phones be different. As long as you pay off the phone loan you agreed to, I don't see it as a big deal. Just a simple perspective from from my point of view
Badger50 said:
People sell they're houses and cars all the time that they don't completely own, while still being financed. Why should phones be different. As long as you pay off the phone loan you agreed to, I don't see it as a big deal. Just a simple perspective from from my point of view
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That's not entirely true. When you sell your home it must be paid off before the sale can go through. Whether it's the mortgage company or the title company that home needs to be free and clear of all liens.
And you can't sell a car that you don't own. You can transfer the payments but that's all up front and guaranteed by the bank.
bobby janow said:
That's not entirely true. When you sell your home it must be paid off before the sale can go through. Whether it's the mortgage company or the title company that home needs to be free and clear of all liens.
And you can't sell a car that you don't own. You can transfer the payments but that's all up front and guaranteed by the bank.
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Exactly, just what I was going to say in reply.
It's fraud if you sell something you don't own.
If you pay all the agreed payments then clearly you own it, but until then you don't!
m+a+r+k said:
Exactly, just what I was going to say in reply.
It's fraud if you sell something you don't own.
If you pay all the agreed payments then clearly you own it, but until then you don't!
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not true you can sell it just like you can with a car and have someone take over payments. as long as you pay your monthly dues you'll be good.
stevew84 said:
Has anyone ever sold their device while it was still financed?
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I sold my Pixel 2 XL after having it for a year while financing through Verizon. The guy That bought it had Verizon, and everything worked fine. I just payed it off a couple months ago.
jmartin72 said:
I sold my Pixel 2 XL after having it for a year while financing through Verizon. The guy That bought it had Verizon, and everything worked fine. I just payed it off a couple months ago.
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That is a trusting individual you sold it to. Doesn't Verizon require that you keep the device on your account for 24 months or at least have an account so you get the discount on a monthly basis?
But say something happened to you either physically or financially and you couldn't pay? Then what? If the person knew there was this chance then I guess it's ok as long as there is some kind of documentation for protection. Still sounds sketchy to me though.
If I sold a car and still had to pay my bank for another year or so what's to say that car couldn't be repossessed (IMEI blacklisted) at any given time? Why wouldn't you take the money from the sale and just pay it off on the spot like you do with a home mortgage? I sell a house and I owe $100k for instance. The mortgage company deducts the amount you owe, pays off the loan, and gives you the balance. The buyer now is responsible for either paying it all at once or financing on his / her own.
Unless this is a close relative (and even then..) I would never do anything like that on the sending or receiving end. It doesn't make sense.
bobby janow said:
That is a trusting individual you sold it to. Doesn't Verizon require that you keep the device on your account for 24 months or at least have an account so you get the discount on a monthly basis?
But say something happened to you either physically or financially and you couldn't pay? Then what? If the person knew there was this chance then I guess it's ok as long as there is some kind of documentation for protection. Still sounds sketchy to me though.
If I sold a car and still had to pay my bank for another year or so what's to say that car couldn't be repossessed (IMEI blacklisted) at any given time? Why wouldn't you take the money from the sale and just pay it off on the spot like you do with a home mortgage? I sell a house and I owe $100k for instance. The mortgage company deducts the amount you owe, pays off the loan, and gives you the balance. The buyer now is responsible for either paying it all at once or financing on his / her own.
Unless this is a close relative (and even then..) I would never do anything like that on the sending or receiving end. It doesn't make sense.
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Verizon only requires you to keep an active line/account. One of the things I liked about Verizon is that I could put my SIM in any phone, and as long as it had the correct radios, it would work. You can change phones every day if you want, and don't have to contact Verizon to activate. Could I have payed off the phone before I sold it...Yes, but it's not like they charge you interest, and at the time, I had no intention of switching carriers, so it just made sense to leave things as is. I did know the person I sold it to, and I would have never left him holding the bag so to speak. I'm not that kind of person. My only purpose for posting, was to answer the question in the OP that with Verizon anyway it's possible.
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Verizon only requires you to keep an active line/account. One of the things I liked about Verizon is that I could put my SIM in any phone, and as long as it had the correct radios, it would work. You can change phones every day if you want, and don't have to contact Verizon to activate. Could I have payed off the phone before I sold it...Yes, but it's not like they charge you interest, and at the time, I had no intention of switching carriers, so it just made sense to leave things as is. I did know the person I sold it to, and I would have never left him holding the bag so to speak. I'm not that kind of person. My only purpose for posting, was to answer the question in the OP that with Verizon anyway it's possible.
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I wasn't sure about the Verizon line/account restrictions. Of course you are not one to stiff a friend or stranger for that matter. But that's not the point really, or at least I don't think the OP was referring to a private sale like what you did. Private sales are just that, private. But selling a financed phone, car, home or bicycle where the purchaser can have it repossessed unbeknownst to him or her then that is illegal. I'm not an attorney but that would be a case to bring if you can find the person who stiffed you. Thus Swappa will not allow a financed device on their selling site and eBay I'm not sure of. I doubt they check but Paypal might have an issue if reported. Bottom line, don't sell a financed device without full disclosure and a signature to prove it.
Hi folks , I bought this Samsung S21 Ultra from EBay US ( I wanted the snapdragon version). I’m confused as to the message that I am receiving . I have checked Swappa, checkmend and it is a perfectly clean phone with no issues or anything outstanding . So why would it present me this message ? I’ve been on chat with Xfinity live agent , who have said they can’t just unlock it from the IMEI but they need the account number that it was purchased , the sim/number used associated with the account in order to submit an unlock request . (Person who sell it to me is just a general reseller) . The phone is not stolen or has outstanding finance , so why would it present this issue .
I can’t provide the agent with the details as o don’t have them and I can’t get them . Do I have any options here at all ?
You need to contact the seller through ebay and file dispute immediately. The phone is carrier locked. Meaning they have a balance due on the phone or they were to lazy to call xfinity and ask for it to be unlocked or couldn't show proof of purchase. Either way, the phone is useless until xfinity unlocks it.
Return it.
You can't do anything with it
Simply raise dispute with eBay and get refund.
You can unlock it with third larty but phone will miss some features if unlocked this way it will coat 120$
That's just one of the risks associated with purchasing a used device. Disputing it with Ebay or PayPal is the best option at this point.
varcor said:
That's just one of the risks associated with purchasing a used device. Disputing it with Ebay or PayPal is the best option at this point.
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Indeed. I don't like ebay.
A lot of scamming going on in general now.
Best to talk to the vendor on the phone before buying. Ask the right questions and feel them out. Avoid vendors that won't talk by phone.
I paid $800 for a new N10+ Snapdragon 3 weeks ago. Sounds high, but it was a factory sealed box and the 10+ that was in perfect condition. It was worth the extra $200-400. The vendor was easy to contact and seemed trustworthy. The phone arrived 3 days after ordered, free shipping, shipped day of order. Good to their word.
Dstu10 said:
You need to contact the seller through ebay and file dispute immediately. The phone is carrier locked. Meaning they have a balance due on the phone or they were to lazy to call xfinity and ask for it to be unlocked or couldn't show proof of purchase. Either way, the phone is useless until xfinity unlocks it.
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I chekced on SWAPPA and CHeckmend but there wasnt anything that showed as any finance owed or any blacklisting or sorts. Im not sure if i have grounds to raise a dispute as the seller said it would only work on xfinity .,Is there anything whatsoever i can do , via rooting etc ?
blackhawk said:
Indeed. I don't like ebay.
A lot of scamming going on in general now.
Best to talk to the vendor on the phone before buying. Ask the right questions and feel them out. Avoid vendors that won't talk by phone.
I paid $800 for a new N10+ Snapdragon 3 weeks ago. Sounds high, but it was a factory sealed box and the 10+ that was in perfect condition. It was worth the extra $200-400. The vendor was easy to contact and seemed trustworthy. The phone arrived 3 days after ordered, free shipping, shipped day of order. Good to their word.
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I chekced on SWAPPA and CHeckmend but there wasnt anything that showed as any finance owed or any blacklisting or sorts. Im not sure if i have grounds to raise a dispute as the seller said it would only work on xfinity .,Is there anything whatsoever i can do , via rooting etc ?
123hugga said:
I chekced on SWAPPA and CHeckmend but there wasnt anything that showed as any finance owed or any blacklisting or sorts. Im not sure if i have grounds to raise a dispute as the seller said it would only work on xfinity .,Is there anything whatsoever i can do , via rooting etc ?
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If bought with a card, call the bank and file a charge back request. The phone must be returned before they can do anything.
If things really go south file a complaint with your state attorney general's office.
That sounds like theft by wire fraud to me, a felony.