Has anyone ever sold their device while it was still financed?
No but I know att has a spot when you view your stuff online to view what you owe to own it
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If you financed through Google, you can sell it as the IMEI doesn't show up as financed and the phone is unlocked. Carrier phone IMEI should show up as financed like my T-Mobile phones. I sold my 3A without any issues.
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stevew84 said:
Has anyone ever sold their device while it was still financed?
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Is that even allowed without informing the poor bastard that bought it that he's locked out? That is a weird question. Why do you ask it?
No. You still owe money on it. Pay it off before you sell it to someone else. This applies to anything that you finance in life.
stevew84 said:
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I'm almost certain that is fraud. You don't own it to sell it!
Alcolawl said:
No. You still owe money on it. Pay it off before you sell it to someone else. This applies to anything that you finance in life.
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m+a+r+k said:
Isn't that illegal? You don't own it to sell it!
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People sell their houses and cars all the time that they don't completely own, while still being financed. Why should phones be different. As long as you pay off the phone loan you agreed to, I don't see it as a big deal. Just a simple perspective from from my point of view
Badger50 said:
People sell they're houses and cars all the time that they don't completely own, while still being financed. Why should phones be different. As long as you pay off the phone loan you agreed to, I don't see it as a big deal. Just a simple perspective from from my point of view
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That's not entirely true. When you sell your home it must be paid off before the sale can go through. Whether it's the mortgage company or the title company that home needs to be free and clear of all liens.
And you can't sell a car that you don't own. You can transfer the payments but that's all up front and guaranteed by the bank.
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That's not entirely true. When you sell your home it must be paid off before the sale can go through. Whether it's the mortgage company or the title company that home needs to be free and clear of all liens.
And you can't sell a car that you don't own. You can transfer the payments but that's all up front and guaranteed by the bank.
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Exactly, just what I was going to say in reply.
It's fraud if you sell something you don't own.
If you pay all the agreed payments then clearly you own it, but until then you don't!
m+a+r+k said:
Exactly, just what I was going to say in reply.
It's fraud if you sell something you don't own.
If you pay all the agreed payments then clearly you own it, but until then you don't!
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not true you can sell it just like you can with a car and have someone take over payments. as long as you pay your monthly dues you'll be good.
stevew84 said:
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I sold my Pixel 2 XL after having it for a year while financing through Verizon. The guy That bought it had Verizon, and everything worked fine. I just payed it off a couple months ago.
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I sold my Pixel 2 XL after having it for a year while financing through Verizon. The guy That bought it had Verizon, and everything worked fine. I just payed it off a couple months ago.
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That is a trusting individual you sold it to. Doesn't Verizon require that you keep the device on your account for 24 months or at least have an account so you get the discount on a monthly basis?
But say something happened to you either physically or financially and you couldn't pay? Then what? If the person knew there was this chance then I guess it's ok as long as there is some kind of documentation for protection. Still sounds sketchy to me though.
If I sold a car and still had to pay my bank for another year or so what's to say that car couldn't be repossessed (IMEI blacklisted) at any given time? Why wouldn't you take the money from the sale and just pay it off on the spot like you do with a home mortgage? I sell a house and I owe $100k for instance. The mortgage company deducts the amount you owe, pays off the loan, and gives you the balance. The buyer now is responsible for either paying it all at once or financing on his / her own.
Unless this is a close relative (and even then..) I would never do anything like that on the sending or receiving end. It doesn't make sense.
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That is a trusting individual you sold it to. Doesn't Verizon require that you keep the device on your account for 24 months or at least have an account so you get the discount on a monthly basis?
But say something happened to you either physically or financially and you couldn't pay? Then what? If the person knew there was this chance then I guess it's ok as long as there is some kind of documentation for protection. Still sounds sketchy to me though.
If I sold a car and still had to pay my bank for another year or so what's to say that car couldn't be repossessed (IMEI blacklisted) at any given time? Why wouldn't you take the money from the sale and just pay it off on the spot like you do with a home mortgage? I sell a house and I owe $100k for instance. The mortgage company deducts the amount you owe, pays off the loan, and gives you the balance. The buyer now is responsible for either paying it all at once or financing on his / her own.
Unless this is a close relative (and even then..) I would never do anything like that on the sending or receiving end. It doesn't make sense.
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Verizon only requires you to keep an active line/account. One of the things I liked about Verizon is that I could put my SIM in any phone, and as long as it had the correct radios, it would work. You can change phones every day if you want, and don't have to contact Verizon to activate. Could I have payed off the phone before I sold it...Yes, but it's not like they charge you interest, and at the time, I had no intention of switching carriers, so it just made sense to leave things as is. I did know the person I sold it to, and I would have never left him holding the bag so to speak. I'm not that kind of person. My only purpose for posting, was to answer the question in the OP that with Verizon anyway it's possible.
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Verizon only requires you to keep an active line/account. One of the things I liked about Verizon is that I could put my SIM in any phone, and as long as it had the correct radios, it would work. You can change phones every day if you want, and don't have to contact Verizon to activate. Could I have payed off the phone before I sold it...Yes, but it's not like they charge you interest, and at the time, I had no intention of switching carriers, so it just made sense to leave things as is. I did know the person I sold it to, and I would have never left him holding the bag so to speak. I'm not that kind of person. My only purpose for posting, was to answer the question in the OP that with Verizon anyway it's possible.
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I wasn't sure about the Verizon line/account restrictions. Of course you are not one to stiff a friend or stranger for that matter. But that's not the point really, or at least I don't think the OP was referring to a private sale like what you did. Private sales are just that, private. But selling a financed phone, car, home or bicycle where the purchaser can have it repossessed unbeknownst to him or her then that is illegal. I'm not an attorney but that would be a case to bring if you can find the person who stiffed you. Thus Swappa will not allow a financed device on their selling site and eBay I'm not sure of. I doubt they check but Paypal might have an issue if reported. Bottom line, don't sell a financed device without full disclosure and a signature to prove it.
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Okay first off, this is a thread also to show all the people who bombarded me with smart comments about how i WILL definitely recieve a $200 ETF from T-Mobile for cancelling my plan for my nexus...I did not.
This isn't a mean thread either, I just wanted to let everyone know that this did work, So here i am even after being told that I would NEVER come back to say if it worked or not, because i was scared of the "flaming."
So here I am waiting for Google to charge me the $150 ETF, but it still hasn't happened and it has been over 2 months since i cancelled my T Mobile account.
So here I am (Lucky or maybe just waiting) with my nexus which now only has cost $212 without a contract
Order with T mobile contract for $179
Taxes and all that stuff brought it to $212
T MOBILE ETF $0
Google ETF 150??
Final price $212 (for now)
So has anyone cancelled and recieved the ETF yet? I cancelled and the T Mobile rep said to just hand the nexus back over to the fedex guy so maybe T mobile screwed up something but in the end im sure google knows that that phone is in use right now? But also this was close to the time when the nexus store was Closing or they ran out of phones so maybe that confused something? Or most likely, I am just waiting and will recieve it someday.
sassyness77 is pretty smart
someone loves sassyness77!
and it's his girlfriend <3
Nobody else likes you, because you're taking stuff at someone else's expense. When you cancelled T-Mobile, they charged back the commission that Google used to subsidize your phone. Google is out a few hundred bucks right now. You seem to think it's all okay because YOU didn't have to pay what you owe. That makes you a parasite, an unrepentant one at that since you seem happy to brag about getting away with it (for now at least).
This isn't howardforums, if you want to brag about exploiting companies, go there for a receptive audience.
Okay, whoa. I'm sorry you feel angry about this but to call me a parasite? Calm down. As if this truely hurts Google, all I did was find a smarter way to save money in all honesty.
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Nobody else likes you, because you're taking stuff at someone else's expense. When you cancelled T-Mobile, they charged back the commission that Google used to subsidize your phone. Google is out a few hundred bucks right now. You seem to think it's all okay because YOU didn't have to pay what you owe. That makes you a parasite, an unrepentant one at that since you seem happy to brag about getting away with it (for now at least).
This isn't howardforums, if you want to brag about exploiting companies, go there for a receptive audience.
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wtf you talking about. what do you think googles ERF is for? if google feels the loss they will charge them for it ... @OP
id wait 4 months before celebrating...thats when they will realize tmos not paying the subsidy
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Okay, whoa. I'm sorry you feel angry about this but to call me a parasite? Calm down. As if this truely hurts Google, all I did was find a smarter way to save money in all honesty.
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Not sure how, but you're confusing dishonesty for intelligence. Parasite was the appropriate term, as what you did amounts to stealing and fraud.
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Okay, whoa. I'm sorry you feel angry about this but to call me a parasite? Calm down. As if this truely hurts Google, all I did was find a smarter way to save money in all honesty.
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If you do not like the term, don't be a parasite. You KNOW a Nexus One doesn't cost what you paid for it. You KNOW someone had to take that loss. It doesn't matter if they never charge you back, that's just your feeble attempt at justifying yourself. Off the top of my head, I can think of a few ways to dodge the charge (most of which are more clever than what you're taking pride in). I didn't do any of them because...wait for it...I'm not a parasite.
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wtf you talking about. what do you think googles ERF is for? if google feels the loss they will charge them for it ... @OP
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I am fully aware of what the ERF is for, apparently you don't, so I'll break it down for you.
1) HTC makes, sells and delivers a N1 to Google, HTC charges Google somewhere around, but probably somewhat less than, $530.
2) T-Mobile pays Google a commission for every 2 year contract signed over a N1. New activations pay more than upgrades, which is why the N1 costs more when upgrading your plan.
3) Google takes this commission, and gives it to you by subsidizing the phone down to as low as $180. That $350 difference comes from T-Mobile paying Google.
4) You buy the phone, and pay for the service. Google either gets paid immediately (and receives a chargeback if you cancel or downgrade) or doesn't get a check until you've had the service for 120 days (not sure which, since I'm not privy to the specifics of their agreement, but it's one or the other, probably the former as that's the general way the US cellphone market works).
5) T-Mobile, like most US carriers, uses a billing system which will automatically apply sales commissions on activations, and chargebacks on cancellations. As such, the moment you cancel, T-Mobile's systems take back their money.
6) This leaves Google out the amount of your subsidy ($250-$350), which is essentially the cost of the phone, minus what you paid for it($180-$280). Whether or not they (rightfully) charge you for that loss is irrelevant to the fact they took a material loss.
Welcome to how the real world works. For more info, go to college, or get a job.
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I am fully aware of what the ERF is for, apparently you don't, so I'll break it down for you.
1) HTC makes, sells and delivers a N1 to Google, HTC charges Google somewhere around, but probably somewhat less than, $530.
2) T-Mobile pays Google a commission for every 2 year contract signed over a N1. New activations pay more than upgrades, which is why the N1 costs more when upgrading your plan.
3) Google takes this commission, and gives it to you by subsidizing the phone down to as low as $180. That $350 difference comes from T-Mobile paying Google.
4) You buy the phone, and pay for the service. Google either gets paid immediately (and receives a chargeback if you cancel or downgrade) or doesn't get a check until you've had the service for 120 days (not sure which, since I'm not privy to the specifics of their agreement, but it's one or the other, probably the former as that's the general way the US cellphone market works).
5) T-Mobile, like most US carriers, uses a billing system which will automatically apply sales commissions on activations, and chargebacks on cancellations. As such, the moment you cancel, T-Mobile's systems take back their money.
6) This leaves Google out the amount of your subsidy ($250-$350), which is essentially the cost of the phone, minus what you paid for it($180-$280). Whether or not they (rightfully) charge you for that loss is irrelevant to the fact they took a material loss.
Welcome to how the real world works. For more info, go to college, or get a job.
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Google changed their ERF because they felt they could take the loss vs customer backlash who would be forced to pay $750 for the nexus if they werent satisfied with Tmobile. It used to be $350, now its $150. Thats called business.
You do not know the deal that tmobile and google made with each other for the specific subsidy amounts. Tmobile pays google once the 120 days of service are up
FYI i have a B.S.S.E and a minor in business. Its not being a parasite for using valid methods to get a phone for cheap. I dont think you have any understand how business works but you just like to throw around things everyone already knows and thinks it helps your argument...but it doesnt
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You do not know the deal that tmobile and google made with each other for the specific subsidy amounts. Tmobile pays google once the 120 days of service are up
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The "subsidy" is obvious, $250 to $350, because the subsidy is what YOU get. I never said what the "commission" is, and acknowledged I cannot know when the payment is sent, or the exact amount. Try to use the correct word when arguing with people.
...but since you've basically agreed that T-Mobile is financing everything, I rest my case.
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...but since you've basically agreed that T-Mobile is financing everything, I rest my case.
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Perfectly stated.....
This thread is going to turn into nothing but flaming... @Op, you knew that starting the thread.... Why? Why do it? Just to brag and wait for how many different ways people can call you out on "ripping off a nexus one?".....
I'm not hear to discuss the issue of getting an n1 for cheap, just to call you out on posting a thread KNOWING you'll get nothing but negative responses..... A lot of that going on on XDA lately and it's kinda sad.....
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The "subsidy" is obvious, $250 to $350, because the subsidy is what YOU get. I never said what the "commission" is, and acknowledged I cannot know when the payment is sent, or the exact amount. Try to use the correct word when arguing with people.
...but since you've basically agreed that T-Mobile is financing everything, I rest my case.
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The last part of that statement WAS to tell you when google got their payment.
Tmobile does NOT give google the payment if you cancel your contract. Thats when google steps in and gets their "commission" from you instead of tmo
When you buy the phone from google, you pay google 179. When you have been with tmobile for 120 days, tmobile pays google the rest of the money at their agreed upon rate (between 150-350, we dont know) if you cancel, google takes 150 to take their material losses.
Tmobile isnt footing anything, google is. and google makes sure they dont take a loss from this kind of situation. Note the phone's hardware costs $175, so the immediate material loss is already paid for when you buy the phone.
Congrats, you ripped someone off.
Your mistake was thinking anyone here would care. If you wanted "ZOMG DEWD GRATS BRAH!!!!!11one!!1" you're in the wrong forum.
Yadda yadda, someone is a db.. Let's just wave our hands until the Mods see and close this thread..
Due to the nature of the thread, I will close it down.
Ok, So here's my plan:
1. Go to AT&T website. Login. Add a line
2. Choose the phone I want with that new line for the discounted price or free with two year contract.
3. Receive the phone in the mail with brand new sim and everthing
4. Only take the phone out the box never touch the sim, unlock the phone, put different sim from another phone service in it and start using the phone with that service (or simply swap the sim for the line I'm already using)
5. Never activate the new line
Will i still have to pay for the second line if I never activate it? Or do I walk away sky free with my new phone?
someone said they have done this and it worked, I want feedback before I try and end up getting stuck paying another bill for a second line I don't need or want.
Wonder if this works? Would love to know!
Sent From My GR-11Captivate!
Eventually they will wonder what happened to the phone they sent to you and either ask for it back or activate it on their end I am sure. What do you do when you don't send a phone back to them?
aka how to try to cheat the system and fail
this won't work because when you agree to purchase at the discounted price, it comes with the expressed agreement that you are creating a new line that you will use and pay for 1 year or 2 years. if you do not activate the line, you will be charged for a line cancelation/ETF. without any months used, that means you'll pay for discounted price of phone and an ETF of at least $350
basically, AT&T isn't stupid. if you've thought of this idea, it's likely they have as well.
Kaik541 said:
aka how to try to cheat the system and fail
this won't work because when you agree to purchase at the discounted price, it comes with the expressed agreement that you are creating a new line that you will use and pay for 1 year or 2 years. if you do not activate the line, you will be charged for a line cancelation/ETF. without any months used, that means you'll pay for discounted price of phone and an ETF of at least $350
basically, AT&T isn't stupid. if you've thought of this idea, it's likely they have as well.
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I don't know....That's why I asked second opinions, but how can they cancel what was never activated? And I haven't signed any agreements? So why would I pay a early termination fee for something I never activated, or terminated?
nightwanderer said:
Eventually they will wonder what happened to the phone they sent to you and either ask for it back or activate it on their end I am sure. What do you do when you don't send a phone back to them?
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Why would you have to send something back that you paid for? That's like buying something from Wal-mart, and not using it the way it was supposed to be used so they ask you to bring it back... Not Likely. Lol
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And I haven't signed any agreements? So why would I pay a early termination fee for something I never activated, or terminated?
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clicking agree is the same thing as signing your name on paper.
when you go to the web site and ask for a second line (with a phone) you must click "agree" to a contract. read the contract. you agree to pay for the phone if you do not activate the second line with a 2 year(or whatever) contract. that is why they send you a phone, because you agree to be a customer for a couple years.
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Why would you have to send something back that you paid for? That's like buying something from Wal-mart, and not using it the way it was supposed to be used so they ask you to bring it back... Not Likely. Lol
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when you buy something from walmart you BUY it, you PAY MONEY for it. so OF COURSE they wouldnt ask you to bring it back. but if you RENT a car, and dont bring it back, they charge your credit card, as you agreed too.
yeah dont do that! someone may have fallen through the cracks here and there, but believe me they dont give you the phone on just good faith. they can charge you for the phone full price on the credit card, they can activate your line anyway and charge you for the two years of service, they can put it on your credit report, and they can charge you with theft. maybe they have a bad system and people get away with it, maybe in a court you can get a really good lawyer and get out of it for only lawyer and court fees(more expensive anyway) but all in all it is not a good idea.
Kyle...
for more information on " clicking agree " please go to
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and watch the season 15 premier of South Park
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"why wont it read?"
Well glad I didn't try it, but I do know someone that got away with it. Maybe they got lucky.
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when you buy something from walmart you BUY it, you PAY MONEY for it. so OF COURSE they wouldnt ask you to bring it back. but if you RENT a car, and dont bring it back, they charge your credit card, as you agreed too.
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Unless it's offered for free, you do actually pay for the phone though. You just get a discounted price.
Eample, if the phone retails at $599, they give it to you for $199 if you agree to two years of service.
So after you pay the offered price, the phone is yours. They cannot ask for it back, regardless if you terminate service early or whatever. And they charge your credit card right up front before they even ship it out. So that is what I met by the Wal Mart analogy, Once you pay for something its yours
its called early termination fee... they get the rest of the cost of the phone out of you.
so ya pay 0$ or $199 on a more expensive phone, you can keep it and not do the contract
but you have to pay for cancelling the contract.. so you basically pay the remainder of the phone.
and EVERYONE else that has even bothered answering this thread agrees.
face it you are wrong.
and lcd damage
water damage
brick...
your sig doesnt inspire trust in you....
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its called early termination fee... they get the rest of the cost of the phone out of you.
so ya pay 0$ or $199 on a more expensive phone, you can keep it and not do the contract
but you have to pay for cancelling the contract.. so you basically pay the remainder of the phone.
and EVERYONE else that has even bothered answering this thread agrees.
face it you are wrong.
and lcd damage
water damage
brick...
your sig doesnt inspire trust in you....
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Wtf? I never said I was right! All I did was ask for some feedback you prick. I just wanted to see what others thought before I tried, and now I know. Now why are you getting so sensitive about the issue? Do you work for AT&T or something? Dam.
And my sig has nothing to do with you, and most those phones weren't mine they were my wifes, except for the G1, either way not your concern, go inspire a life
TRusselo said:
its called early termination fee... they get the rest of the cost of the phone out of you.
so ya pay 0$ or $199 on a more expensive phone, you can keep it and not do the contract
but you have to pay for cancelling the contract.. so you basically pay the remainder of the phone.
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Since you like correcting people, and I'm sure 1400 of your 1700+ posts on xda are probably you being a ****....Allow me to correct you.
Just because you inquire a fee for something it does not reflect the price value of the merchandise. Example, you pay $199 for a phone that is originally $599, you cancel contract early and pay the ETF of $250 ( I don't know where the **** you got $350 from ) You look at it as if you paid full price of the phone right? Wrong. You may have spent in total almost 500 bucks anyway, but not on the phone. Because if you paid full price for the phone which is $599 plus the ETF of $250...your total spent would be about 850 dollars. Big difference right? Right.
Moral to the story, before you try to be a smart ass, you first have to be smart, otherwise, that just makes you an ass!
i never started name calling or being sensitive, and obviously i dont work for att im canadian.
why did you bother asking us if you know you are right?
im done.
grow up.
Thread closed, since this won't lead to nothing. Also, discussion in how to avoid payment or leaning to cheating it doesn't sound good.
If you want to do it, do it. No need to discuss it in a public forum.
So, theres a guy on craigslist who was selling his Note 3 in box for $400, and I offered $325. Now, what I had planned to do was to meet in public, most likely at the AT&T store, pop in my sim, and check to make sure its working. Also, I was going to check the imei number, and make up a bill of sale with the imei included. Anything else I can do?
And if the phone is linked to their contract, and they end up not paying, that will blacklist the phone correct? Will a bill of sale protect me?
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So, theres a guy on craigslist who was selling his Note 3 in box for $400, and I offered $325. Now, what I had planned to do was to meet in public, most likely at the AT&T store, pop in my sim, and check to make sure its working. Also, I was going to check the imei number, and make up a bill of sale with the imei included. Anything else I can do?
And if the phone is linked to their contract, and they end up not paying, that will blacklist the phone correct? Will a bill of sale protect me?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=49280606#post49280606
Well, I think I scared him off anyway. I requested pictures, the imei number, receipt of purchase, and that he was going to have to sign a bill of sale. He said ok, and hasn't replied in two hours. Oh well, I need to save money for a trip anyway, I'm just tired of looking at my LG Optimus G Pro. I want to upgrade, as stupid as it sounds.
Nothing will protect you against blacklisting of IMEI numbers. It's only going to get worse on Craigslist with programs like AT&T Next. Even if it's not blacklisted today it might be in 2 months when the not paid phone hits collections.
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Well, I think I scared him off anyway. I requested pictures, the imei number, receipt of purchase, and that he was going to have to sign a bill of sale. He said ok, and hasn't replied in two hours. Oh well, I need to save money for a trip anyway, I'm just tired of looking at my LG Optimus G Pro. I want to upgrade, as stupid as it sounds.
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You did the right thing..who cares if you think you scared a thief away...You protected yourself from scumbags that rip good people off..spending that kind of money and getting blacklisted isn't worth all the hassle.....If you find a honest seller he/she won't hesitate at all for a bill of sale...
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Nothing will protect you against blacklisting of IMEI numbers. It's only going to get worse on Craigslist with programs like AT&T Next. Even if it's not blacklisted today it might be in 2 months when the not paid phone hits collections.
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True..but as long as he had a proper "bill of sale" least he has some evidence of a crooked seller,and have more options then nothing at all.....But your exactly right though, and it will get worse with more carriers offering upgrades sooner.
I've sold many phones on ebay and craigslist and also purchased quite a few. I never had any problems doing so. Just use common sense, see what the person is like, never go alone when meeting someone. And obviously make sure it's not blacklisted. A person who was a serious seller would do whatever needed to make the sale, however it is best to explain why you want the information you're asking for. Otherwise they'll think you're just being annoying lol
This thread is about a guy that bought an N3 off Craigslist, and the seller blacklisted it a few hours after the sale (insurance fraud). You may want to make sure the seller transfers ownership to you with AT&T.
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So, theres a guy on craigslist who was selling his Note 3 in box for $400, and I offered $325. Now, what I had planned to do was to meet in public, most likely at the AT&T store, pop in my sim, and check to make sure its working. Also, I was going to check the imei number, and make up a bill of sale with the imei included. Anything else I can do?
And if the phone is linked to their contract, and they end up not paying, that will blacklist the phone correct? Will a bill of sale protect me?
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I never had any problems doing so. Just use common sense, see what the person is like, never go alone when meeting someone. And obviously make sure it's not blacklisted. A person who was a serious seller would do whatever needed to make the sale, however it is best to explain why you want the information you're asking for. Otherwise they'll think you're just being annoying lol
So I purchased a brand new in box Verizon note 7 from Craigslist. Phone is fully paid off, fully legit. Here is my problem. Called Samsung for the exchange, they said I HAVE to bring it to the retailer its from for an exchange. I explained to them I am tmo customer and not vz customer, and vz will not do the exchange. I was told by 4 different reps that its my problem, and there is nothing they can do. I seriously hope this f'n thing explodes and causes some harm. I will sue the living $hit out of Samsung. This is Totally unacceptable. If it were apple, they would do the exchange without a blink of an eye. I am so done with Samsung.
If it were apple they would have never acknowledged there was a problem to begin with
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Did you call a verizon store to return it?
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Furthermore, you didn't buy the device from a retailer. I'm not sure exactly how their warranty works, but Im quite certain the warranty these phones have don't transfer.
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Texus91501 said:
If it were apple they would have never acknowledged there was a problem to begin with
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Thanks for the apple bashing answer.
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Did you call a verizon store to return it?
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Yes, 3 of them. They will only do an exchange if you are a customer. Samsung really asking g for a bunch of lawsuits.
I would call up Verizon corporate to see what they say. By the way, this kind of thing is exactly the risk with buying a phone branded for another carrier than your own. If anything goes wrong with it, it often becomes a pain. Unless it is an iPhone. Then Apple usually automatically takes care of that stuff anyways as long as within warranty.
I do imagine though that you will not be the only one with this sort of problem. I would think that Samsung will have to allow for exchange through them for some people.
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I would call up Verizon corporate to see what they say. By the way, this kind of thing is exactly the risk with buying a phone branded for another carrier than your own. If anything goes wrong with it, it often becomes a pain. Unless it is an iPhone. Then Apple usually automatically takes care of that stuff anyways as long as within warranty.
I do imagine though that you will not be the only one with this sort of problem. I would think that Samsung will have to allow for exchange through them for some people.
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Under normal circumstances, yea, I understand the risks, but this is something very different. And you are correct about me being the only one with this issue. I'm sure many phones were sold this way. Samsung needs to do the right thing here.
Samsung may just not carry carrier branded versions. I am not sure of the process but is there a different place the carrier branded ones go to get all bloated up. I mean your phone may not even have an issue at all but I would see if I could find someone with VZW and ask them to place your phone on their account just for the return purposes.
I get what you are trying to do but you may have to talk to higher ups in Samsung before they budge. There CS reps are horrible
Call them and if they state again "no" you contact an attorney and start the process of suing them then have the attorney contact samsung. Get as much information as you can if you cannot afford an attorney contact the FAA and FTC you will have a bunch of paperwork, however, you will get either compensation or a case in your name on smasung.
Look - It is the law that this type of recalls is through the place of business that you purchased the product/s and for the original purchaser of product/s (product/s that are gifts are exception when gifted from original purchaser). And it is the law that warranties are for the original purchaser of product/s (product/s that are gifts are exception when gifted from original purchaser.)
There are exceptions to these laws, but in general purchasing from a place of business that you can return items is your best bet. Otherwise you are basically supporting yourself.
So let this be a learning experience and purchase your products from place of business that you will be able and can return the products in cases like recalls and other cases.
This is just a buyer of products through sites like Craigslist.org be aware.
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So I purchased a brand new in box Verizon note 7 from Craigslist. Phone is fully paid off, fully legit. Here is my problem. Called Samsung for the exchange, they said I HAVE to bring it to the retailer its from for an exchange. I explained to them I am tmo customer and not vz customer, and vz will not do the exchange. I was told by 4 different reps that its my problem, and there is nothing they can do. I seriously hope this f'n thing explodes and causes some harm. I will sue the living $hit out of Samsung. This is Totally unacceptable. If it were apple, they would do the exchange without a blink of an eye. I am so done with Samsung.
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The us agency you want to reach out to is the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission. Be up front and honest with them that you purchased your device used on Craigslist. Just because you didn't buy the product from the manufacturer or cell phone carrier does not matter. You are not trying to do a warranty exchange you are trying to have a product repaired because of a defect. Similar to an automotive safety recall it does not matter where or how the vehicle is purchased the dealer is still responsible for the repair. The C.S.P.C. has been looking for a reason to get involved in this "Voluntary Recall" so they can push their boot on the throat of Samsung. They likely all have iphones!
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The us agency you want to reach out to is the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission. Be up front and honest with them that you purchased your device used on Craigslist. Just because you didn't buy the product from the manufacturer or cell phone carrier does not matter. You are not trying to do a warranty exchange you are trying to have a product repaired because of a defect. Similar to an automotive safety recall it does not matter where or how the vehicle is purchased the dealer is still responsible for the repair. The C.S.P.C. has been looking for a reason to get involved in this "Voluntary Recall" so they can push their boot on the throat of Samsung. They likely all have iphones!
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Thanks for this. Exactly what I wanna do.
I suspect that Samsung is handling this recall much as carmakers handle them. GM doesn't do recalls directly, they use their dealer network to process them. Same here. Almost all Note 7s are carrier branded. It makes sense that the carriers do the claims.
Buying the phone outside of what's considered normal channels throws an interesting wrinkle in the scheme. The Consumer Product Safety Commission is not involved, to the chagrin of outfits like Consumer Reports. That's another wrinkle.
This is why I do not buy phones off ebay, unless they are total poss phones. If I need to buy a phone outright, I will buy it from a retailer that I know I CAN replace it with. For all samsung knows, you stole it ya know? I will suggest you return the device to ebay if you are still with in your return time frame. If you do not want to do that, reach out to the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission...they are finding excuses to rip samsung a new one.
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I suspect that Samsung is handling this recall much as carmakers handle them. GM doesn't do recalls directly, they use their dealer network to process them. Same here. Almost all Note 7s are carrier branded. It makes sense that the carriers do the claims.
Buying the phone outside of what's considered normal channels throws an interesting wrinkle in the scheme. The Consumer Product Safety Commission is not involved, to the chagrin of outfits like Consumer Reports. That's another wrinkle.
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According to Samsung, vz will get reimbursed for ANY vz branded n7 that is collected. No receipt required. So maybe vz is to blame?
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According to Samsung, vz will get reimbursed for ANY vz branded n7 that is collected. No receipt required. So maybe vz is to blame?
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It is yes, verizon to be blame. With the recall as a Tmobile customer, if I reach out to samsung...they will direct me to Tmobile. Tmobile is where I purchased the device from, and it is tmobile brand Note 7 I am carrying...so in a way, samsung is not directly responsible.
Things come to worst, sue verizon from here to the opposite side of continent and add samsung to the list. It is verizon brand, that means the IMEI is in their system...thus they SHOULD exchange it even if you are not their "customer".
I have two questions. 1. Have you contacted the original seller from CL to handle the exchange? This seems to me the path of least resistance and you could report him to CL as a seller with dubious customer service traits.
2. In my experience, Verizon has the worst of in store\telephone technical support for just these kind of questions. They want the issue closed asap. The quickest solution is to tell you "no". Keep asking for a manager with the threat of leaving VZ for TMobile\Sprint whatever.
T-Mobile paid off my contract with VZ when I moved there. You could probably even get T-Mobile pay you for the Note 7. They don't know it's history and they don't care.
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The us agency you want to reach out to is the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission. Be up front and honest with them that you purchased your device used on Craigslist. Just because you didn't buy the product from the manufacturer or cell phone carrier does not matter. You are not trying to do a warranty exchange you are trying to have a product repaired because of a defect. Similar to an automotive safety recall it does not matter where or how the vehicle is purchased the dealer is still responsible for the repair. The C.S.P.C. has been looking for a reason to get involved in this "Voluntary Recall" so they can push their boot on the throat of Samsung. They likely all have iphones!
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I have two questions. 1. Have you contacted the original seller from CL to handle the exchange? This seems to me the path of least resistance and you could report him to CL as a seller with dubious customer service traits.
2. In my experience, Verizon has the worst of in store\telephone technical support for just these kind of questions. They want the issue closed asap. The quickest solution is to tell you "no". Keep asking for a manager with the threat of leaving VZ for TMobile\Sprint whatever.
T-Mobile paid off my contract with VZ when I moved there. You could probably even get T-Mobile pay you for the Note 7. They don't know it's history and they don't care.
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These two responses make the most sense. If I were to buy off of craigslist, it would be from a local person. If that local person got the phone legitimately, that's where I'd start. Have her/him go with you to set up the exchange. It makes no sense at this point to go to Verizon, at least not yet. You would think that Samsung or Verizon would have anticipated and allowed for such circumstances, but honestly I've found our public is just not that smart. That phone is a potential danger and should go back at no cost to you. Really the seller should have handed over the original receipt when he sold it to you, try that. Then I think Verizon would have less cause to turn you away.
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According to Samsung, vz will get reimbursed for ANY vz branded n7 that is collected. No receipt required. So maybe vz is to blame?
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So why don't you try returning it to a VZW store when they actually have the replacements in stock. They may actually do right by you if you don't go into the store full of piss and vinegar. Just be cool and treat the folks in the store nice. Honey does actually work. That person knows that VZW isn't taking any kind of hit for this recall and may not give a crap how you got the phone. It's a thought.
suzook said:
Thanks for the apple bashing answer.
lol its true , run a search yourself hints iphone5
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Guys can you help me? I bought a phone which was on AT&T but seller promised it is paid off. Well, it came on instalment plan. AT&T refuses to unlock at least becasue I don't know the real owner)))Any chance I can unlock it through Odin or somehow else? I did previously unlock from Google but this thing happened first.... The reason I'm asking - I can't return, there is uneligible to get refund item..... I didn't see that first. I would be happy if you can tell that it can be unlocked))) Please help.
unlocked for other networks probably yeah, but you'd need a paid service for that. might as well take it to the kind of shop that does that stuff (assuming you have those where you are). there's online unlock sites too but I know nothing about them other than they're not free either.
Probably have to pay balance. Have seen this happen to others
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Probably have to pay balance. Have seen this happen to others
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the balance remaining on the phone could be dozens of times more than the cost of paying an unlocking service. plus the network now knows the phone was sold, if they were going to blacklist it they would've done it already.
Ok. Just saying what I have heard happen to others
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Ok. Just saying what I have heard happen to others
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yes it's good for people to know, it's unfair on those who buy phones in good faith.
If you used a Visa or MC to buy the phone, send it back insured/signature required and take detailed photos of it and packaging. Double box it.
Then file a claim with the card company for a full refund. Call the card company today and get it started instead of being part of the scam.
You can also file a complaint with your state attorney general if it's in the USA. Most states will go after the perp. That is also mail fraud if ship by USPS and well as wire fraud.
Don't play the game... beat it to death so others don't get scammedâ
Some people just suck..lol. hope it all works out.