Related
In a couple of days Google will show a preview of Android M ie Android 5.2 which going off rumours is more about memory optimizations & bug fixes & better battery life....we've heard that before!!!! basically what Lollipop should have been from the off.
So the Note 4 as we all know it isn't the greatest smartphone when it comes to getting updates, moreso if your in the UK when we with BTU handsets have to wait until most of the carriers have released updates first before the simfree gets it.
Obviously Android M will be on the Note 5 first at launch, then next the S6 & S6 edge will be next in line to get the update sometime before Christmas.
So what about the Note 4?
Well if the Note 3 is anything to go by then I think we be forgotten well into next year, the Note 3 BTU in the UK still hasn't received Lollipop yet while all of the UK carriers have had it a while now.
I personally think if we see it before the S7 launch next year, then we done well
but I'm not holding my breath tbh.
One of the many reasons why I now regret getting an unlocked Note 4.
I'm waiting for I/O before I make a decision but it's likely I'll be going back to a Nexus or flash Cyanogen.
I'd really like Google to hold the OEMs to account on updates, most are committed to 2 years of updates but if it takes them 12 months to release said update it's likely they'll get away with doing the minimum.
HTC are the only company to commit to a 90 day rollout atm, others should follow suit.
Sent from my SM-N910F using Tapatalk
Try Cyanogenmod, if updates really matter to you then you won't regret it, and stock android is amazing
ixon2001 said:
In a couple of days Google will show a preview of Android M ie Android 5.2 which going off rumours is more about memory optimizations & bug fixes & better battery life....we've heard that before!!!! basically what Lollipop should have been from the off.
So the Note 4 as we all know it isn't the greatest smartphone when it comes to getting updates, moreso if your in the UK when we with BTU handsets have to wait until most of the carriers have released updates first before the simfree gets it.
Obviously Android M will be on the Note 5 first at launch, then next the S6 & S6 edge will be next in line to get the update sometime before Christmas.
So what about the Note 4?
Well if the Note 3 is anything to go by then I think we be forgotten well into next year, the Note 3 BTU in the UK still hasn't received Lollipop yet while all of the UK carriers have had it a while now.
I personally think if we see it before the S7 launch next year, then we done well
but I'm not holding my breath tbh.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No point in guessing. Get the Nexus 6/Note 5 if you need android M (guessing it'll launch with lollipop and be updated in feb/march to android M). Updating older phones isn't really Samsung's thing, especially when they are busy working on newer handsets.
But the Note 4 isn't a old device it's only just over 6 months old now.
What i think the problem is with the Note series is 2 main reasons.
First they don't sell anywhere near as many as the S series because for alot of people the Note is just to big or to expensive on launch even with contracts.
Secondly because there is more going on within Touchwiz on the Note series ie S pen ect, it takes longer to debug the software before they release it.
The Note 3 is still a powerful & very capable Phablet, but now updates for that are few and far between, I wouldn't be surprised if the Note 3 doesn't get Android M even though it supposed to me more optimized, the likes of the Moto G & Nexus 4 & 5 will get it though.
What it points to if you like Samsung smartphones and want regular updates then don't buy the Note series while they are great on launch they soon forgotten by Samsung while they concentrated on the next big thing in case of the Note 4, the S6 now takes priority & the Note 5 to a certain degree in the Autumn for the first few months at least until the S7 launch next spring.
To me Samsung have a 6 month product cycle with the Note series in regards to regular updates before they put on the back burner somewhat, after that they concentrated more on the S series because even the S4 & S5 got lollipop before the Note 3 & Note 4 did.
Even though I really like my Note 4, I don't think i go down this route again with either the Note 5 or Note 6 depending on when i decide to buy a new phone, it probably be a Nexus next time around.
I am pretty sure that our phone will get android M if it is just a 5.2 release. Samsung may take a while, but eventually they update all their flagships. HTC may be faster but they promise updates for only a couple of smartphones. Even the One Mini 2 wont get lollipop...
I switched from two years with Nexus 4 and Nexus 7 combo to Note 4 a month ago. Even though Nexus 4 has android 5.1.1, it was full of bugs from the start. When you use a nexus you are kinda the beta tester. You get all the updates first, and all the bugs that come with new untested versions. Also Google can and will take months to release a point update to fix big bugs like camera crashes.
As someone already said, if you want nexus experience install Cyanogenmod or similar rom and you wont be far off.
I have BTU's (3 and 4), you just take whatever rom you want from Sammobile and flash with Odin, no need to wait at all. Knox at 0x0, job done. I'm currently on the French Note 4 ROM as it's the newest one out that's official.
joebongo said:
I have BTU's (3 and 4), you just take whatever rom you want from Sammobile and flash with Odin, no need to wait at all. Knox at 0x0, job done. I'm currently on the French Note 4 ROM as it's the newest one out that's official.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Which ROM is the French Note 4? Could you provide a link to the thread Thanks!
http://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/database/SM-N910F/
Top one on the list at the moment. SFR.
ixon2001 said:
Even though I really like my Note 4, I don't think i go down this route again with either the Note 5 or Note 6 depending on when i decide to buy a new phone, it probably be a Nexus next time around.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I can't agree more with you. I left Samsung when I changed from the Note 2, which was the BEST phone I had ever owned. But it kept getting slower and slower, battery with every update was worse. So I changed to other phones and I really liked the other phones. I came back to the Note 4 thinking "Wow, awesome hardware, and Samsung is doing a great job with updates 2 years later" and I couldn't be more wrong. I'm thinking about just taking the hit and selling my Note 4 and going for the Nexus 6. But I see the Nexus 6 has its own issues. I also thought about the Xperia Z3 as Sony takes pretty good care of their devices in terms of software, and I see that they are also having issues. It seems like Android 5.0.1 is a terrible update for ALL phones. Since the Nexus 6 is on 5.1, and it seems to have fixed most major problems, I'll wait a month or so to see if Samsung fixes anything. If they don't, I'll just send Samsung off and never buy another darn samsung device again!!!
---------- Post added at 09:41 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:39 AM ----------
joebongo said:
http://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/database/SM-N910F/
Top one on the list at the moment. SFR.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Awesome, thanks. And this can be flashed without tripping NOX to my DBT device?
Not sure what a DBT is but my note 4 has had 4 ROMS so far, EE, unbranded X2 and the SFR and I just checked in download mode knox is 0x0.
Plenty of guides out there. As far as I know flashing official ROMs is fine, it's when you have to root to install proper custom firmware the knox trips.
---------- Post added at 08:56 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:53 AM ----------
Oh now don't expect miracles with the SFR ROM. It seems a little better with regard to battery so far 4 days in.
joebongo said:
Not sure what a DBT is but my note 4 has had 4 ROMS so far, EE, unbranded X2 and the SFR and I just checked in download mode knox is 0x0.
Plenty of guides out there. As far as I know flashing official ROMs is fine, it's when you have to root to install proper custom firmware the knox trips.
---------- Post added at 08:56 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:53 AM ----------
Oh now don't expect miracles with the SFR ROM. It seems a little better with regard to battery so far 4 days in.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
DBT is the German unlocked model haha.
How's your battery life?
And if I might ask, do you have:
-lag when pressing multitasking button?
-lag when reviewing picture recently taken?
My 2 cents is, just because there is a new Android version doesn't make lollipop rubbish and it certainly doesn't make the note 4 a bad phone. If the note 4 got the new android a week after it was launched, the forum would then be full of threads saying how bad battery life was and how buggy the software was and "i'm going back to lollipop".
This happens every time a new Android version comes out, with all phones, without fail.
It is human nature to want what you haven't got.
sent from my Galaxy Note 4
zkyevolved said:
DBT is the German unlocked model haha.
How's your battery life?
And if I might ask, do you have:
-lag when pressing multitasking button?
-lag when reviewing picture recently taken?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The battery life isn't too bad - off charger at 6am, an hour's screen time and a few calls today in an area with very poor signal (countryside) and I'm on 77%. Graph says 2 days left at current rates. Hasn't been as good as that previously but I was running Nova launcher with the entire home screen full of widgets. I'm back on a more plain TW home screen with just a couple of widgets.
Edit: I have got rid of the multitask lag via this tip: http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4-verizon/help/fix-lag-delay-hitting-multitasking-t2939700 and I don't really think there's a noticeable lag from camera to gallery.
every Android phone has some sort of defect or issue nowadays. Apparently theres some battery swelling issue on the N6 and whatnot, among others..Every other vendor gets poor updates, Nexus 9 was slower to update than samsung devices and that device SUCKS (i own one, and its the worst tablet ive ever seen).
Sadly, if you want that feeling that the manufacturer cares about your device and will update it/own issues...Apple is the only route...Ill probably get the 6s or 6plusS this year, AOSP camera apps arent as good as the OEM ones, but using TW roms is cancer.
joebongo said:
The battery life isn't too bad - off charger at 6am, an hour's screen time and a few calls today in an area with very poor signal (countryside) and I'm on 77%. Graph says 2 days left at current rates. Hasn't been as good as that previously but I was running Nova launcher with the entire home screen full of widgets. I'm back on a more plain TW home screen with just a couple of widgets.
Edit: I have got rid of the multitask lag via this tip: http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4-verizon/help/fix-lag-delay-hitting-multitasking-t2939700 and I don't really think there's a noticeable lag from camera to gallery.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I can tell you that I had already tried that fix, and it didn't help... The biggest help was disabling talk back... But even then... lag....
---------- Post added at 11:37 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:34 PM ----------
Rekzer said:
every Android phone has some sort of defect or issue nowadays. Apparently theres some battery swelling issue on the N6 and whatnot, among others..Every other vendor gets poor updates, Nexus 9 was slower to update than samsung devices and that device SUCKS (i own one, and its the worst tablet ive ever seen).
Sadly, if you want that feeling that the manufacturer cares about your device and will update it/own issues...Apple is the only route...Ill probably get the 6s or 6plusS this year, AOSP camera apps arent as good as the OEM ones, but using TW roms is cancer.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I suppose in every batch there are some bad batches. I have a Samsung Galaxy Tab Pro 8.4, which runs FASTER than my Note 4. This just isn't right. I can multitask like a champ with that tablet, and so much more stable and reliable...
I'm somewhat disappointed with my Sammy phone (Note 4)... But i'll give it some time and see if Sammy can fix some of these issues. If not, then I'm done with Samsung. I had the G3 and it was an awesome phone, too, until Lollipop ruined the experience with lags and battery issues. Why do these OEMs update if they know they're having issues? Samsung MUST know about these issues, and yet, they still release new ROMS that don't fix them.
Rekzer said:
AOSP camera apps arent as good as the OEM ones, but using TW roms is cancer.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Personally I think snap camera is better than the TW stock camera, way more options to fine tune.
I doubt that the Note 5 will ship with M, Its the Dev release that has come out only just now... the Note 5 is likely to drop around November so thats 5 months.
Seems a little too quick for Samsung.
senectus said:
I doubt that the Note 5 will ship with M, Its the Dev release that has come out only just now... the Note 5 is likely to drop around November so thats 5 months.
Seems a little too quick for Samsung.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Agreed, Android M will be released around the time that the Note 5 will be released, so no way Samsung will have it on their Note 5 already. They need at least 2 months to adapt it.
senectus said:
I doubt that the Note 5 will ship with M, Its the Dev release that has come out only just now... the Note 5 is likely to drop around November so thats 5 months.
Seems a little too quick for Samsung.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
They aren't adding that many new features so Android M could potentially launch sooner.
Hi all, been a while since Ive flashed a rom or unlocked my bootloader etc.. but for the past year Ive been using a nexus 6.. Its almost timr to upgrade and I`m torn between a Nexus 6P and a Lumia 950xl..
Just not overly convinced with windows phone 10.. Ive read a few reviews, but most of them seem like the authors have apple or android tattoos on they`re arms.. When I read the user reviews I get a better feeling for the lumia..
Originally came from winmo to android back in the xda days and have had a ton of android devices over the past 8-10 years but thinking I`d like to try windows again.. Ideally on a custom rom.. running on my nexus 6 first ... In case I don`t like it
Has anyone done this or is it even possible with a custom rom to run windows phone 10 on a nexus ?
Jaxo
Methinks it would be next to impossible to do. Get a Windows phone and use it for a few days. If you don't like it, return it.
jaxouk said:
Hi all, been a while since Ive flashed a rom or unlocked my bootloader etc.. but for the past year Ive been using a nexus 6.. Its almost timr to upgrade and I`m torn between a Nexus 6P and a Lumia 950xl..
Just not overly convinced with windows phone 10.. Ive read a few ****ty reviews, but most of them seem like the authors have apple or android tattoos on they`re arms.. When I read the user reviews I get a better feeling for the lumia..
Originally came from winmo to android back in the xda days and have had a ton of android devices over the past 8-10 years but thinking I`d like to try windows again.. Ideally on a custom rom.. running on my nexus 6 first ... In case I don`t like it
Has anyone done this or is it even possible with a custom rom to run windows phone 10 on a nexus ?
Jaxo
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
agreed with Wolfen, it's theoretically possible since the hardware is technically compatible but there's pretty much no way short of building it yourself and creating drivers and whatnot from scratch. Just saying though that a friend of mine has a Nexus 6p (coming from nexus 5) and he loves it, he used it bone stock for a couple months when he got it and was thoroughly impressed how smooth it ran even with encryption on.
W10, Windows is closed source OS. Actually devs can't even use that sources legally.
Even if someone can make it, he can't.
Even it was possible to port W10 to a android device i think the W10 eco system is slowly dying and its future will be very unsure as sales figueres still keep dropping. W10 mobile is still very buggy and incomplete and even the hardware on the 950XL is buggy at best. PocketNow recommended not to buy this phone because of soft- and hardware issues and the plstform misses a lot options/features PLUS root is impossible to change anything .
I picked up the lumia 640 at&t prepay phone for$30 on black Friday. Have played with it a bit . very impressed. But still live the nexus 6
Just a question.
I had been thinking a lot about this lately. I have P8 Lite, and although it is a decent phone and about a year old, it seems to me that it is already obsolete in comparison to other devices.
I am writing this thread here, cause I have this phone, and I guess many of might be anxious about whether we get the N-update.
So my question is: Is it worth buying an android manufacturer-branded phone (LG, Samsung, Huawei, etc) or a Nexus phone, since we know that these phones (Nexus) are the ones that would be supported the most from the developers and get much more updates than the others?
I am totally thinking about buying a Nexus.
What do you think.
spirto82 said:
Just a question.
I had been thinking a lot about this lately. I have P8 Lite, and although it is a decent phone and about a year old, it seems to me that it is already obsolete in comparison to other devices.
I am writing this thread here, cause I have this phone, and I guess many of might be anxious about whether we get the N-update.
So my question is: Is it worth buying an android manufacturer-branded phone (LG, Samsung, Huawei, etc) or a Nexus phone, since we know that these phones (Nexus) are the ones that would be supported the most from the developers and get much more updates than the others?
I am totally thinking about buying a Nexus.
What do you think.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I recommend you the One Plus 3
iBluShared said:
I recommend you the One Plus 3
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks. From what I've heard it's an amazing phone. But the question was not for me purchasing a phone, but whether nexus have an advantage (referringto the updates and the software in general) over the other phones.
To be honest, If I could afford buying it, I would consider doing so.
spirto82 said:
Thanks. From what I've heard it's an amazing phone. But the question was not for me purchasing a phone, but whether nexus have an advantage (referringto the updates and the software in general) over the other phones.
To be honest, If I could afford buying it, I would consider doing so.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Nexus do support updates a long time. For example the 5x gets even android n. And even the support time is over you will get ports or roms that feature the newest android version because of the god source. Huawei supports their phones long too. I think we will get n.
VenityZ said:
Nexus do support updates a long time. For example the 5x gets even android n. And even the support time is over you will get ports or roms that feature the newest android version because of the god source. Huawei supports their phones long too. I think we will get n.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Also the Nexus 5 is getting Android N which is funny and also the Nexus 4 which is 4 years old is getting a dev made N update XD. And so you can see that devices even older than the 5x are getting support... welp. That answers the questions. But the Nexus device line screwed up after the Nexus 4 since they were at first cheaper and made accessible for a lot of people and then right after that their prices went up. Of course that is inevitable if you want to produce a top notch device early enough but if it were up to me I'd get a 5x and the lowest I can go is a 5 since those two are at a reasonable price and offer good support plus performance.
---------- Post added at 12:11 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:09 PM ----------
spirto82 said:
Just a question.
I had been thinking a lot about this lately. I have P8 Lite, and although it is a decent phone and about a year old, it seems to me that it is already obsolete in comparison to other devices.
I am writing this thread here, cause I have this phone, and I guess many of might be anxious about whether we get the N-update.
So my question is: Is it worth buying an android manufacturer-branded phone (LG, Samsung, Huawei, etc) or a Nexus phone, since we know that these phones (Nexus) are the ones that would be supported the most from the developers and get much more updates than the others?
I am totally thinking about buying a Nexus.
What do you think.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The Huawei P8 lite feels a bit behind because it was released just before all phones started getting fingerprint scanners and fHD screens. Also our design is plastic compared to most phones offering glass and metal at the same price.
So, we have some hours before the official pixels presentation. I had been thinking of changing huawei p8 lite with a nexus (most likely 5X - it's cheaper, although it has only 2 Gb of Ram).
I think it is a decent phone and could provide a high level of customization, besides the fact that is upgradable to android N. Since we are going to have 2 more in the google family, do you think that each of them, worth the cost of buying? From what I've heard/read it's not going to be cheap, or at least in affordable price, each of them. What do you think?
Sorry of this is not the correct place for this post!
So I have been using samsung based devices since I left apple iphone 4. many moons ago. I currently have a Note 8 (r.i.p note 7) and my current contract with verizon just expired the other day and im do for upgrade. Now that the Google Pixel line of phones has had a chance to bake in the oven for a while im thinking of getting the Pixel 4 or XL when it is release/announced next month in October 15 or when ever. Im a huge fan of rooting and bootloader unlocking, but since I am stuck with verizon I expect the phone to be bootloader locked and or carrier locked, at least until someone figures out how to bypass/unlock the bootloader. But reading about this new DSU feature in Q it may not be so much an issue. who knows. my current note 8 iv had since day 1 of it release never got updated,rooted, or unlocked in hopes a bootloader unlock would come, which never really happened. Anyhows.
Question, With the release of the Google Pixel 4 set for October 15 when might it be until I should expect to be able to get it from Verizon? As Im thinking of just waiting a little while longer and going to a Pixel 4 vs to a Note 10? I prefer the Pixel 4.
~SG
If you want to skip all the bootloader locked nonsense and can afford it, just buy the device from google and have it turned on on verizon.
Unfortunately, if I don't want to pay for any of it I'm stuck with Verizon. Work is paying for it basically.
Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk
Yeah, I can completely understand that. If verizon locks all their bootloaders and your company is paying for it, you may be better off with the note 10. Since you would be bound to getting updates when Verizon pushed them, getting a pixel probably wouldn't do much good. That's a big part of why I want one, day 1 updates. But, if you just want something new and (hopefully) refreshing, I would try to hold out til Verizon gets the pixel. It will be the only android device with radar AND facial ID. So, there's that.
SomeGuy2008 said:
Unfortunately, if I don't want to pay for any of it I'm stuck with Verizon. Work is paying for it basically.
Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
In my case, I was also a Note user, the Note8 being my last Samsung device. At first I was skeptical about my Pixel 3 XL and its performance. I got the unlocked model and I can honestly tell you I would not go back. It's better than any other phone I ever had. I got tired of OS updates that would come 7-8 months late and my inability to root. Also the quality of pictures and the camera is unrivaled. Pixels ARE the standard by which every other phone's camera is measured. If you care about rooting, pay for the unlocked Pixel given that the Pixel 3 forums still have not been able to root the Verizon model a year after its release. I enjoy root and all its benefits such as Adaway, Titanium, 3minit battery and many others. Root is increasingly difficult and basically impossible on most OEM and locked down devices. If you don't want to pay for it then I would stay with Samsung. You will not have timely updates but at least you'll have great hardware.
Sent from my Pixel 3 XL
Personally I put the free phone in the drawer and put the work SIM in my bought and paid for phone that I can actually do what I want with whenever I want to do it. I've been running dual-sim for years for this reason. Free isn't always good and life is way too short for locked bootloaders.
Hey guys is the Nexus 6 is still a good phone to have in 2020? Reason asking is because in getting to choose between either an Samsung Galaxy A10 or the Nexus 6.... Wat are ur advice people
I've since moved on to a Galaxy S10 5g, but the Nexus 6 is still the best phone I've ever owned. I miss how wide the damn thing is. Unlocked bootloader... was a great phone. I've even considered going back to it. I'd suggest getting the N6, but I've never used the A10
My personal opinions here...
If the Nexus 6 [emoji336] and the Samsung A10 [emoji336] were my two [emoji3577] choices, I would personally go with Samsung A10.
The Nexus 6 was an Awesome Android phone when it came out in 2014. The model, however, is now almost 6 years old.
Conversely the Samsung A10 was released in 2019 and is a Much newer device. It will work better with modern apps and should receive one or two of the future Android Version Updates.
Sent from my SM-G975U1 using Tapatalk
As much as I still love my Nexus 6. I'd say no. It's a great secondary device but not main.
Yeah N6 was a top phone back in the day. OP6 user now but still have my trusty N6, just need a new battery for it now. Any recommendations?
i had to jump ship due to the battery issues. i went the pixel 4 xl route google store version from swappa and got a good deal. if i wasnt having battery issues i would probably still have my shamu as my primary device.
djcsurf said:
Yeah N6 was a top phone back in the day. OP6 user now but still have my trusty N6, just need a new battery for it now. Any recommendations?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If I lived in the UK I'd probably try this one. We seem to have more choices here in the US.
ktmom said:
If I lived in the UK I'd probably try this one. We seem to have more choices here in the US.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I agree, when searching, the UK was limited. I did come across the one you mentioned, I guess I'll order it as someone local with expertise will fit it for me. My daughter will be happy as the Shamu will be as good as new again.
My dad still uses one, it had the battery changed though last year. I am thinking of giving him my S8+ because i have only 2 months left on my contract, and I was thinking on getting the P30 Pro and keeping the N6 as a backup phone, maybe having Lineage OS 16 installed on it. The N6 was the phone I loved most over the years and had 4 or 5 of them. Very good phone if you change the battery !