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Battery mods have terrible battery life?

I've been using both the incipio offgrid, and tumi powerpack battery mods (both are wireless charging variants) and have noticed just awful battery life. from 100% it charges my phone up maybe 15-20 percent, and thats with the screen off, just streaming music. If I'm using the phone (just surfing the web or instagram) the battery dies in around 30-45 minutes, is this normal? I expected alot more out of these. I can just stare at the notification bar and watch as the battery drops, my software is up to date, and I was just wondering if this is normal? Is everyone else getting this awful performance? I expected way more for like 70-80 bucks each...

Sky's Divide said:
I've been using both the incipio offgrid, and tumi powerpack battery mods (both are wireless charging variants) and have noticed just awful battery life. from 100% it charges my phone up maybe 15-20 percent, and thats with the screen off, just streaming music. If I'm using the phone (just surfing the web or instagram) the battery dies in around 30-45 minutes, is this normal? I expected alot more out of these. I can just stare at the notification bar and watch as the battery drops, my software is up to date, and I was just wondering if this is normal? Is everyone else getting this awful performance? I expected way more for like 70-80 bucks each...
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This is not normal. While I don't have either of these, based on the reading I've done and reports I've seen from people who do, the Incipio off grid should be able to charge your phone up 50-75% when attached. Not sure if you have some crazy wakelock that's keeping your CPU maxed out all the time or what, but dying in 30-40 minutes makes no sense.

xxBrun0xx said:
This is not normal. While I don't have either of these, based on the reading I've done and reports I've seen from people who do, the Incipio off grid should be able to charge your phone up 50-75% when attached. Not sure if you have some crazy wakelock that's keeping your CPU maxed out all the time or what, but dying in 30-40 minutes makes no sense.
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When I got it to die In 30-40 min I was on a phone call and surfing instagram. Took the tumi out yesterday with 80% battery in it and had my phones screen off streaming music over Bluetooth. The phone charged up about 25% before the battery pack died. Any ideas on how I could improve the battery life? My moto mods manager is up to date and I don't get any prompts to update anything whenever I snap on the mods

I was surprised when I found this post, so I checked how many percent of battery do I get with a my incipio battery mod. I plugged the mod, my phone's battery was at 15% and the battery mod was at 100%.
Now the Incipio battery mod is empty and my phone's battery is at 50%. So it charged my phone by 35%.
Pretty disappointing for a 2220 mAh battery that costs almost 100€ ...

To me the best use of the mod is to snap it on when the Moto Z Play is fully charged and to chose the option to keep the phone battery at 80%. With normal use, i've seen the mod keep the phone at 80% for up to a day. To me the mod is not meant to charge the phone but more to keep it from discharging.

To me the idea of the battery mod makes no sense.
There is an Aukey 16000 mAh power pack with QuickCharge 3.0 available which boosts the battery in nearly no time. I paid less than 20 Euro.
Who needs such a battery mod with a Moto Z Play which lasts all day under heavy usage?
Who needs such a battery mod when power packs are big, cheap and fast?
Who even needs the power pack if you have a wall outlet with a QuickCharge 3.0 charger boosting the battery percentage in no time? I needed that power pack when the previous phone (Moto X Play) had some hardware defect making it lose power.
Edit: These questions are meant honestly. Are you living in the desert for several days and can't afford to carry a bag?

tag68 said:
To me the idea of the battery mod makes no sense.
There is an Aukey 16000 mAh power pack with QuickCharge 3.0 available which boosts the battery in nearly no time. I paid less than 20 Euro.
Who needs such a battery mod with a Moto Z Play which lasts all day under heavy usage?
Who needs such a battery mod when power packs are big, cheap and fast?
Who even needs the power pack if you have a wall outlet with a QuickCharge 3.0 charger boosting the battery percentage in no time? I needed that power pack when the previous phone (Moto X Play) had some hardware defect making it lose power.
Edit: These questions are meant honestly. Are you living in the desert for several days and can't afford to carry a bag?
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The battery mods are not particularly useful for the Z Play because if you charge every night, you have basically unlimited battery life. Battery packs are extremely useful for the regular Z, though, which has extremely poor battery life on its own. They're basically mandatory for the Z.

I'm shocked that battery mods can only charge your internal battery and can't be used directly (discharging the mod battery instead of the internal battery), the same way Thinkpads that have more than one battery can do. That makes the $80 (vs maybe $10 for a 2000 mah ravpower) cost all the more eyebrow-raising.
I'd love to use them as a way of preserving the sealed in internal battery's longevity, making the internal battery the backup battery and wearing out the easily replaceable, easily swappable mods instead.

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I'd love to use them as a way of preserving the sealed in internal battery's longevity,
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What do you think how a battery should be treated to prolong its lifetime?
This is a serious question. I'm not sure if charging cycles do matter these days. The point which makes batteries getting weak is the age. An additional battery will not help reduce the age.
Of course you should be careful not to be in extreme cold or heat. If the battery is below 30 percent, you should consider to charge it. You should not charge it again if it's over 80 percent. But trying not to use it seems not to really be helpful for the battery to have a longer life, although battery lifetime usually is given in battery cycles. At least this is my experience. If it does not get hot when used or charged, all batteries nowadays start getting weaker a bit after about 2 years, it gets really recognizable after 4 years, and when they are 6-8 years old, they get so low that they may not fulfill there purpose anymore. Cycles? Never recognized any influence for the lifetime. But one hot day with a usage above average where the battery gets hot may really cause a recognizable decrease in capacity.
If you have some source comparing battery lifetime for different use cases (storage, low usage, middle usage, frequent usage, under different conditions of temperature, fast charge and slow charge) I'd be really interested.

tag68 said:
What do you think how a battery should be treated to prolong its lifetime?
This is a serious question. I'm not sure if charging cycles do matter these days. The point which makes batteries getting weak is the age. An additional battery will not help reduce the age.
Of course you should be careful not to be in extreme cold or heat. If the battery is below 30 percent, you should consider to charge it. You should not charge it again if it's over 80 percent. But trying not to use it seems not to really be helpful for the battery to have a longer life, although battery lifetime usually is given in battery cycles. At least this is my experience. If it does not get hot when used or charged, all batteries nowadays start getting weaker a bit after about 2 years, it gets really recognizable after 4 years, and when they are 6-8 years old, they get so low that they may not fulfill there purpose anymore. Cycles? Never recognized any influence for the lifetime. But one hot day with a usage above average where the battery gets hot may really cause a recognizable decrease in capacity.
If you have some source comparing battery lifetime for different use cases (storage, low usage, middle usage, frequent usage, under different conditions of temperature, fast charge and slow charge) I'd be really interested.
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Same sources as you, personal experience and basic knowledge (battery life being measured in cycles). I'm not even completely worried about average aging, but out of a batch of millions of batteries, plenty will start to experience rapid discharge early, even without abnormal heat, not to the point of being completely dead, but certainly no longer tolerable. Today's phone batteries might actually tolerate heat better than in the past, having been built for quick charging, which is the hottest a sd625 seems to get.
I've read manuals and battery university and a few tech blog articles all of which have differing advice, just like you and me, but I have yet to find a source I find credible (based on diverse large scale testing not limited anecdotal evidence or in the case of manuals, insanely outdated nicad-era stuff). And, sincerely no offense intended, I'm unlikely to decide cycles don't matter and weight your anecdotal evidence over mine anymore than you'd weight mine over yours. But if you ever find a good source with those comparisons, I'd be pleased to check it out too.

tag68 said:
Who needs such a battery mod with a Moto Z Play which lasts all day under heavy usage?
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Because I'm a very heavy user of my phone and don't want to worry about power even if I can't get to a outlet during the day.
Who needs such a battery mod when power packs are big, cheap and fast?
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Because the bat mod is easy to slap on and keep on all the time (when I'm not using a different mod). Then I never have to worry about taking the pack with me or not or carrying the extra cable with me or not.
Who even needs the power pack if you have a wall outlet with a QuickCharge 3.0 charger boosting the battery percentage in no time?
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Because I don't want to have to worry about having the charger with me or finding a spot to charge.
I fully admit that I tend to be more paranoid about running out of power than I need to be, but I like to be secure knowing that I should have more than enough battery life, even if I can't charge overnight. I like to know that I can grab my phone at any point of the day and walk out the door with it without having to worry about taking a charger with me.

RedRamage said:
I fully admit that I tend to be more paranoid about running out of power than I need to be, but I like to be secure knowing that I should have more than enough battery life, even if I can't charge overnight. I like to know that I can grab my phone at any point of the day and walk out the door with it without having to worry about taking a charger with me.
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I quite like just not having to charge for three days. I have the battery mod which I use on the efficiency mode, and I got over a full day out of it. At the end of day three I had nearly 30% battery left. Probably enough for most of one more day.
The other thing for me is using wireless charging. I like just slapping my phone on a stand overnight when I do charge it. It charges slowly, yes, but it doesn't matter if I am charging overnight. I still have access to the quick charger if I need to get a full battery quick!

I use mine on my motorcycle where I'm riding for 10 hours a day. I'm at about 50% in 4 hours and dead by 7 or 8, so I'm hoping with the additional battery MOD that I can get at least 12 hours charge. I'm really bad about remembering to plug my phone in when I stop for a break!

@tag68 : dude I think you totally missed to read what @fortunz was saying, he was only pointing that he would like the Mods to be used as a primary source battery instead of being a "ultra-portable power bank".
Given that there is also a fraction of the power being lost in the form of heat, during charge/transfer, it is even more silly from Motorola not to have the battery used directly. I can say by the 25-35% charge from the Mods estimated from other users, that the efficiency is somewhere around 50%, HORRIBLE to say the least.
And yeah I was reading through both of your posts and good information was provided, although unnecessary friction used (not naming anyone).
I actually have kind of the same idea from @fortunz to prolong the battery life of my Z-play even with the mod just being a power bank.
Saying that the mods (~2220mah) charge your phone anywhere between 25-35%, I can actually take the top 25-35% out of my internal battery use and move it to the Mod.
So I can charge my phone up to 70% before going to bed, and then when my phone reaches 30% during the use next day, I'll just slap the mod.
I can allow myself a lot of variation to this, I will not be religious about it, the topic is to avoid hitting 100% charge, and instead, moving the wear of that 30% usage to the Mod.
According, to many articles, citing just one below, considering the depth of discharges and voltage levels, you guys might do the equation if you like, but according to the charts and theory:
charging my phone twice a day trying not to exceed 70%, will give me WAY more longevity run than charging up to 100% every day.
First charge will be from around 15% which is my normal deadline to around 70% with a wall charger, before going to bed.
Second charge will be from the mod from around 30% to around 60% (hopefully), which will give me portability while charging.
Total screen on time during the day, should be around 10% less, but well worth and I can definitely take the hit if getting more battery longevity as a trade.
Source:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Huh, it even makes sense when explaining to other people...

In re: friction, I took no offense from the exchange. Hopefully I didn't cause any either.
Good luck with your efforts. I have considered using this app to to stop charging early: https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/root-battery-charge-limit-t3557002 Haven't started using it yet.

fortunz said:
In re: friction, I took no offense from the exchange. Hopefully I didn't cause any either.
Good luck with your efforts. I have considered using this app to to stop charging early: https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/root-battery-charge-limit-t3557002 Haven't started using it yet.
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Sadly that application requires root... and I don't want to unlock the bootloader and then having to worry about SafetyNet...

For me SafetyNet is green using Magisk 12.0 as root solution, but that may change of course. But it would help for the battery.
Short rant about this topic: It is strange that the owner of a device can be forbidden to restrict the charging. You bought it, you should be able to do these things with it. Introducing SafetyNet is a bad idea by Google. Security should be made by algorithms, not by hardware. Using public key anyone may modify anything, and you can still assure the content to be trustworthy. There no need to prove the Android not to be modified, it is just a bad idea, unnecessary restricting the user. Owner.

tag68 said:
For me SafetyNet is green using Magisk 12.0 as root solution, but that may change of course. But it would help for the battery.
Short rant about this topic: It is strange that the owner of a device can be forbidden to restrict the charging. You bought it, you should be able to do these things with it. Introducing SafetyNet is a bad idea by Google. Security should be made by algorithms, not by hardware. Using public key anyone may modify anything, and you can still assure the content to be trustworthy. There no need to prove the Android not to be modified, it is just a bad idea, unnecessary restricting the user. Owner.
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Well said
Thanks for the tip! I'll have it mind!
At the moment I don't feel like unlocking the bootloader because I'm planning to use the moto Mods and these can't be used with custom ROMs yet, and I have no use for root other than changing the work mode on Greenify but it already works well enough in No-Root mode, so for me there is no true benefit.

A good resource for lithium batteries are rc helicopter forums. Helis use speed controllers of many tens of amps, drain the batteries in minutes versus days to low levels and charge them at high speed. What reduces their life is heat, overcharging the voltage or over discharging the voltage. They do not age if left in a partial charge. You can let them sit for years unused and they will lose very little capacity. If you only run them at 70%cycle, they last about 3000 cycles.

Well, that was weird.
Phone at 9%, mophie mod at 100%. Put it on, barely used the phone (even took a nap). About an hour later, the mophie mod is at 50%, but the phone actually went down to 8%. Took off the mod and the phone went immediately to 4%. Ouch.
Mod normally works fine. It'll keep the phone at 80% for most of the day just fine. Not sure what was going on.

So about the health of the battery now.

I remember a while back when the 3 came out and i was first interested in this company and the phone. So, now that the phone has been out a long while and since it runs on dash charging. My hypothesis is that dash charging is much healthier for the battery because it removes the conversion process and raw energy just goes straight into the battery itself. Is Dash Charging healthier for a longer battery life? Not like screen on time battery life, but like battery charge cycle life. Will the actual battery inside the phone live to see more healthy charges with or without dash charge. I hope that gets my point across....:crying:
Wording is terrible I know. I hope you guys know what I mean. Of course u would though u guys are smart!

Yes, it's healthier since the battery won't get as hot. How efficient it is? Who knows

Yes, in theory, shifting the charging power management (and therefore, the heat dissipation) to the charger should mean better long term life for the battery. These types of batteries don't last as long (charge cycles, health) when charged and/or used at higher temperatures, that much is scientific fact: http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_at_high_and_low_temperatures
But how much this translates to real-life use, is probably debatable. Just anecdotal, but before I got the 3T, my daily driver device was an HTC M8 (still kicking around at home as a WiFi-only device for my kids to use). It has the Snapdragon "Quick Charge" technology (charge power management in the phone, not the charger) , and the battery still seems fine after using it for 3 years.
A battery can go bad in a month, or it can take years. There are lots of variables. But it does probably make sense minimize the exposure of the battery to harmful conditions (like heat) as much as practical.

Question about fast charging

Hi everyone, I'm new here with my Note 9 coming from a Galaxy S5. I have 2 questions.
I want to know firstly what (wired) charging do the majority of Galaxy Note 9 owners employ? Standard or fast charging? I am very weary of fast charging because of increased battery degradation.
My second question is this. I am assuming that fast charging increases battery degradation because of increased heat from the higher voltages. And yes I know that it is adaptive and gradually tapers off. I have run an experiment. I have installed a couple of battery temperature apps and charged through standard charging. Then I have put the phone on a solid piece of steel plate and charged through fast charging. The temperatures of the battery are identical. I have checked this a number of times. The steel plate even at room temperature is quite cold.
So does this mean that if I fast charge with the phone on a cold steel plate and the temperature is no higher than standard charging resting on a usual surface, that fast charging in this case causes no additional battery degradation?
Thanks.

Fast charging, most of the time

Fast wireless charging all the time. Even when it's in my car dock it wirelessly charges in that can be for 3-4 hours a day on and off depending on journey. Screw battery degradation I'll use the upgrade programme to upgrade next year.

Slow charging. I have the same concern as you hence I off the fast charging function. No diff to me since I charge my phone only at night when I am about to sleep. Do not require charging to be fast.

BlackCatSam said:
Hi everyone, I'm new here with my Note 9 coming from a Galaxy S5. I have 2 questions.
I want to know firstly what (wired) charging do the majority of Galaxy Note 9 owners employ? Standard or fast charging? I am very weary of fast charging because of increased battery degradation.
My second question is this. I am assuming that fast charging increases battery degradation because of increased heat from the higher voltages. And yes I know that it is adaptive and gradually tapers off. I have run an experiment. I have installed a couple of battery temperature apps and charged through standard charging. Then I have put the phone on a solid piece of steel plate and charged through fast charging. The temperatures of the battery are identical. I have checked this a number of times. The steel plate even at room temperature is quite cold.
So does this mean that if I fast charge with the phone on a cold steel plate and the temperature is no higher than standard charging resting on a usual surface, that fast charging in this case causes no additional battery degradation?
Thanks.
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If you plan on keeping your Note 9 as long as you did your S5 then slow charge with wire and also try your best to charge from 40 -80%.
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Samsung is claiming 95% battery charge capacity after 2 years (80% is normal). So there is little reason to hold charging to 40 -80% for the normal lifetime of a phone. And also LION batteries are never allowed to charge or discharge completely - it's hazardous. So Samsung is already limiting how much power the phone can draw or charge the battery. (So do electric car manufacturers)

^^^Interesting...

hankvb said:
Samsung is claiming 95% battery charge capacity after 2 years (80% is normal). So there is little reason to hold charging to 40 -80% for the normal lifetime of a phone. And also LION batteries are never allowed to charge or discharge completely - it's hazardous. So Samsung is already limiting how much power the phone can draw or charge the battery. (So do electric car manufacturers)
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A quote is worthless without a source, where did you hear Samsung state the phone would have 95% battery charge capacity after 2 years? Also I'm not sure you understand Li-ion batteries, they are allowed to be fully charged but not completely discharged, this is included in the mAh ratings. Also electric car manufacturers do infact recommend something similar to 40 - 80% charging, for example, Tesla by default do not charge 100%. Even Elon Musk recommends 30 - 80% charging: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/448466037441179649

I use slow charging. I believe it is quite fast even with slow charging.
If there is an option to choose whether you want fast and slow charging, note that fast one has some downsides.

A quote is worthless without a source, where did you hear Samsung state the phone would have 95% battery charge capacity after 2 years? Also I'm not sure you understand Li-ion batteries, they are allowed to be fully charged but not completely discharged, this is included in the mAh ratings. Also electric car manufacturers do infact recommend something similar to 40 - 80% charging, for example, Tesla by default do not charge 100%. Even Elon Musk recommends 30 - 80% charging:
Wow took 5 seconds to find many reports of the Samsung statement.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Samsu...ain-95-capacity-after-two-years.244370.0.html

hankvb said:
A quote is worthless without a source, where did you hear Samsung state the phone would have 95% battery charge capacity after 2 years? Also I'm not sure you understand Li-ion batteries, they are allowed to be fully charged but not completely discharged, this is included in the mAh ratings. Also electric car manufacturers do infact recommend something similar to 40 - 80% charging, for example, Tesla by default do not charge 100%. Even Elon Musk recommends 30 - 80% charging:
Wow took 5 seconds to find many reports of the Samsung statement.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Samsu...ain-95-capacity-after-two-years.244370.0.html
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Although I don't blindly trust what manufacturers claim, I did however test my wife's note 8 and used accubattery pro on her device from new. Unlike me, she would always topup her phone and also fast wireless charge. After a year prior to her trading her note 8 in for a note 9 I checked the health tab, I know it's not accurate however as a ballpark is stated her battery health was at 97% which isn't pretty bad for 12 months of usage. My note 8 was at 99% using the 40-80 rule approx 90 % of the time. If one was going to keep their device longer than two years I'd still recommend using the 40-80 method to prolong battery life. However most Inc myself upgrade yearly so it's all moot. I just do it (80-40) out of habit.
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hankvb said:
A quote is worthless without a source, where did you hear Samsung state the phone would have 95% battery charge capacity after 2 years? Also I'm not sure you understand Li-ion batteries, they are allowed to be fully charged but not completely discharged, this is included in the mAh ratings. Also electric car manufacturers do infact recommend something similar to 40 - 80% charging, for example, Tesla by default do not charge 100%. Even Elon Musk recommends 30 - 80% charging:
Wow took 5 seconds to find many reports of the Samsung statement.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Samsu...ain-95-capacity-after-two-years.244370.0.html
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And while I'm thinking of it. Why don't you substantiate your quote??

Phone becoming hot while charging

Hi guys so the note 9 is becoming hot while charging it has started happening the last couple of days. When I first got the phone on release it would never get hot. Any ideas?
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Have you noticed any change in charging times? That heat = wasted electricity which has to come from somewhere. There is only two places that heat could be coming from (afaik) are the processor or battery and it's charging circuity. Could be that the phone is doing a bunch of updates when you plug in the charger, if you have auto updates on or perhaps you had fast charging turned off before.

No updates phone has all connectivity turned off back gets really hot and yesterday the charger stopped charging the phone so I got the charger brick replaced and charges fine but seems very slow to charge and fast battery discharge
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Turn off fast charging. I believe, even normal slow charging is fast compared to iphone 8 plus fast charging.

charging any device while it's on will probably produce some heat.
just seems logical and I don't consider it an issue worth worrying about. it all depends of what your measure of hot is.
if your cable, port and charger are all mint, then all should be good.
if your cat bit the cable then look no further.
your alternative:
shut phone off and charge it.
it won't heat and probably charge in 20-30 mins to full charge from 0%
if it still got hot while charging at off then you may have hardware issue with equipment/phone

bober10113 said:
charging any device while it's on will probably produce some heat.
just seems logical and I don't consider it an issue worth worrying about. it all depends of what your measure of hot is.
if your cable, port and charger are all mint, then all should be good.
if your cat bit the cable then look no further.
your alternative:
shut phone off and charge it.
it won't heat and probably charge in 20-30 mins to full charge from 0%
if it still got hot while charging at off then you may have hardware issue with equipment/phone
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The heat is caused by the charging process, so the phone should heat up whether it's turned on or not. The voltage has to be dropped from the 5/9V input down to the ~4V that the phone battery charges to and that is not a 100% efficient process. The internal resistance of the battery itself also causes some heat.
Also there's no way you'd charge a Note 9 from 0 - 100% in 20-30 mins. Even factoring in no charging efficiency loss, you're looking at 51 minutes to charge a 15.4Wh battery with the 18W from the Samsung charger.

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The heat is caused by the charging process, so the phone should heat up whether it's turned on or not. The voltage has to be dropped from the 5/9V input down to the ~4V that the phone battery charges to and that is not a 100% efficient process. The internal resistance of the battery itself also causes some heat.
Also there's no way you'd charge a Note 9 from 0 - 100% in 20-30 mins. Even factoring in no charging efficiency loss, you're looking at 51 minutes to charge a 15.4Wh battery with the 18W from the Samsung charger.
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I dont need any convincing lol
but the heat we can actually perceive on the phone case while it's on versus it's off is 2 things. dont think we can feel it while it's off. if I crack the phone open and touch the battery then yes obviously.
now for the 0 to a 100 in 20 to 30 mins while phone is off, I'll time it. but I'm pretty sure I'm not off by that much. again I'm not the one needing convincing in this thread.

bober10113 said:
I dont need any convincing lol
but the heat we can actually perceive on the phone case while it's on versus it's off is 2 x things. dont think we can feel it while it's off.
now for the 0 to a 100 in 20 to 30 mins while phone is off, I'll time it. but I'm pretty sure. you should try it. again I'm not the one needing convincing in this thread.
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Your phone should be almost exactly as hot whether it's turned on and not being used or turned off. The tiny amount of energy it takes to run a phone while it's dozing is nothing compared to the amount of energy dumped into the phones body while it's charging.
I'll happily test it but unless the charger suddenly starts outputting more than twice the rated amount of power into the phone when it is turned off, it's just not physically possible. Not trying to convince you, just trying to correct misinformation.

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Your phone should be almost exactly as hot whether it's turned on and not being used or turned off. The tiny amount of energy it takes to run a phone while it's dozing is nothing compared to the amount of energy dumped into the phones body while it's charging.
I'll happily test it but unless the charger suddenly starts outputting more than twice the rated amount of power into the phone when it is turned off, it's just not physically possible. Not trying to convince you, just trying to correct misinformation.
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guess I did need convincing after all.
while powerdoff :
60 min = 81%
and it did get warm
guess we live and learn.
thanks

Mine is becoming a little hot while in wireless charging pad, and after complete the charge (at 100%)

That is normal however it should cool down once your battery level is charged above the 50% mark.

Try installing a battery log app. I use this one and it records battery temp so you can look at that after it is done charging to see how hot it actually got.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=kr.hwangti.batterylog
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Perfectly normal. Especially if you use the phone while charging (don't do that)

Realme X2 Pro Battery Health - AccuBattery App

For you who use AccuBattery app to monitor your battery usage, can you share yours?
Because mine is showing my battery health is only 47%. I think it's maybe, just maybe, the app only read half of the battery capacity. Since this phone is actually have two batteries installed in a single pack of battery.
With this phone I got around 6 hours of screen on time with 70% battery usage (from 90 - 20%).
It's normal SOT for this phone right?
I attached my SS from the app. I use version 1.2.7-2 build 45.

Yeah yours are pretty normal. I have a similar results.

Maybe the 50 watt charging is degrading the battery at a rapid pace,
Maybe this app is not very accurate.
I've seen others complaining about this app with other phones but hopefully here it's just estimating one of the two batteries

andrejd1 said:
Yeah yours are pretty normal. I have a similar results.
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Thanks for sharing. We have the same battery performance.
manus31 said:
Maybe the 50 watt charging is degrading the battery at a rapid pace,
Maybe this app is not very accurate.
I've seen others complaining about this app with other phones but hopefully here it's just estimating one of the two batteries
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Pretty sure it's not because the rapid charging, if so the phone is a disaster.
The app is most possible reason.

smart_thingup said:
Thanks for sharing. We have the same battery performance.
Pretty sure it's not because the rapid charging, if so the phone is a disaster.
The app is most possible reason.
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Here's hoping,I'm getting mine next week and I'm already very skeptical of the vooc charging,I've seen nothing from Realme or Oppo in regards to it's testing or how it affects the degradation of battery.Because of this and I want the battery to last a few years I will be charging with a 18w charger,using the vooc charger occasionally

manus31 said:
Here's hoping,I'm getting mine next week and I'm already very skeptical of the vooc charging,I've seen nothing from Realme or Oppo in regards to it's testing or how it affects the degradation of battery.Because of this and I want the battery to last a few years I will be charging with a 18w charger,using the vooc charger occasionally
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At first I also skeptical about the Super VOOC charging, I think it will damage battery faster, especially because of heat while charging.
And then, turns out to be more make sense because it use dual battery. And with my experience using this phone, there's no heat problem while charging. Not from the hand feel and not from the system temparature reading.
Since the charging is super fast, I usually put the phone at idle for about 5 minutes to cool down the phone before charging and put on airplane mode while charging to prevent over hear and keep the battery as cool as possible. After several try different circumstances of charging condition, I think Super VOOC is doing just fine.

smart_thingup said:
At first I also skeptical about the Super VOOC charging, I think it will damage battery faster, especially because of heat while charging.
And then, turns out to be more make sense because it use dual battery. And with my experience using this phone, there's no heat problem while charging. Not from the hand feel and not from the system temparature reading.
Since the charging is super fast, I usually put the phone at idle for about 5 minutes to cool down the phone before charging and put on airplane mode while charging to prevent over hear and keep the battery as cool as possible. After several try different circumstances of charging condition, I think Super VOOC is doing just fine.
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I'm sure it's safe and all very good but I still think it will be too difficult to maintain the battery and make it last a few years. I like to keep the battery between around 40 to 85 and it's not recommend to fully charge modern phone batteries aswell as not fully draining them,there is only so many cycles for the batteries lifetime,around 500 or so,
here we have two batteries but still that does not matter,
I will be using in and around 18w charger but might try my OnePlus charger to see if that is any quicker to find a happy medium

manus31 said:
I'm sure it's safe and all very good but I still think it will be too difficult to maintain the battery and make it last a few years. I like to keep the battery between around 40 to 85 and it's not recommend to fully charge modern phone batteries aswell as not fully draining them,there is only so many cycles for the batteries lifetime,around 500 or so,
here we have two batteries but still that does not matter,
I will be using in and around 18w charger but might try my OnePlus charger to see if that is any quicker to find a happy medium
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OnePlus charger will give you VOOC charging. I think that will suit you.

smart_thingup said:
OnePlus charger will give you VOOC charging. I think that will suit you.
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Yes should give around 27 to 30 watt charge,that would be perfect.Wil test it and see,getting phone tomorrow according to my national post

manus31 said:
Yes should give around 27 to 30 watt charge,that would be perfect.Wil test it and see,getting phone tomorrow according to my national post
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Got phone today,the 50 watt charge is lightning fast,
My OnePlus 6T charger is also lightning,think it's about 27w charger. My 6T battery must have a problem as the charging has slowed over time on that. I'm only noticing again how fast the dash charger is on the X2 pro

Have been using Accubattery for few days now and have similar stats to you guys,48% battery health and estimated capacity of 1913mAh,
Maybe Accubattery can improve the software for these type of phones which have two separate batteries

have the same result. maybe an update with the app can result in a more accurate reading.

Guys it's normal, this phone has a battery made of 2 1950mAh cells that charge in parallel. This means that Accubattery (which reads the stats based on voltage and current) can only read a single cell charge.
I also read some strange comments here, so let's dismantle a myth: SuperVOOC WON'T damage your battery much more than normal fast charging. Having 50W on a single battery would be absurd, instead this power is distributed between the two cells, resulting in a charge of 5V and 5A per cell (pretty standard, 5V is super safe because it's the same as the cell voltage, and current is similar to other manufacturer quick charge currents). Having 5V input is also better for heat, because it doesn't need conversion (see Qualcomm Quickcharge which can input 5/9/12/15V).
Of course heat is the worst enemy of a battery life, but try not to use it while charging for those 25/30mins needed for a full charge and you'll be good to go.
I hope this clarifies things for people scared of using the boxed charger.

danypava said:
Guys it's normal, this phone has a battery made of 2 1950mAh cells that charge in parallel. This means that Accubattery (which reads the stats based on voltage and current) can only read a single cell charge.
I also read some strange comments here, so let's dismantle a myth: SuperVOOC WON'T damage your battery much more than normal fast charging. Having 50W on a single battery would be absurd, instead this power is distributed between the two cells, resulting in a charge of 5V and 5A per cell (pretty standard, 5V is super safe because it's the same as the cell voltage, and current is similar to other manufacturer quick charge currents). Having 5V input is also better for heat, because it doesn't need conversion (see Qualcomm Quickcharge which can input 5/9/12/15V).
Of course heat is the worst enemy of a battery life, but try not to use it while charging for those 25/30mins needed for a full charge and you'll be good to go.
I hope this clarifies things for people scared of using the boxed charger.
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I was a bit apprehensive about the super vooc at the start but I've only ever used it since I got the phone. I will say it's so much more useful for my use a d I can literally charge it twice a day for 10 to 15 minutes each time.Phone does heat up quite a bit though,like it's warm every time I take it off the charge.
I'm just hoping it will be as quick this time next year and the battery holds out

danypava said:
Guys it's normal, this phone has a battery made of 2 1950mAh cells that charge in parallel. This means that Accubattery (which reads the stats based on voltage and current) can only read a single cell charge.
I also read some strange comments here, so let's dismantle a myth: SuperVOOC WON'T damage your battery much more than normal fast charging. *1 Having 50W on a single battery would be absurd, instead this power is distributed between the two cells, resulting in a charge of 5V and 5A per cell (pretty standard,*2 5V is super safe because it's the same as the cell voltage, and current is similar to other manufacturer quick charge currents). Having 5V input is also better for heat, because it doesn't need conversion (see Qualcomm Quickcharge which can input 5/9/12/15V).
Of course *3 heat is the worst enemy of a battery life, but try not to use it while charging for those 25/30mins needed for a full charge and you'll be good to go.
I hope this clarifies things for people scared of using the boxed charger.
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*1 - could you elaborate on this here a tad bit more? What is the advantage of pumping power into two cells with total capacity of 4A/h put next to running a single cell with the same amount of power, with the cell being 4A/h too?
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This is simply not true. Mass production liPo cells are manufactured with 3.7V nominal voltage, 3V min. voltage and 4.2V max. voltage. When discharging a li-po cell your under-load voltage wouldn't zap anywhere outside the range of 3 - 4.2 volts at any point. If it did you would be saying ciao to that cell in the upcoming month.
According to what Ive learned past the last 12years of dealing with LiPos in my radio controlled aircrafts and, cell phones, smartphones, battery banks and so on and so on.. I am yet to see a mass production lithium cell whose "cell voltage" is 5 volts..? Sooo.. where do you get that from?
Do you have the kind of information that I am struggling to find on the inet right now? Such as who is the outsourced manufacturer of cells for realme? What is the grouping method of the two cells in our x2pro when charging - parallel or series?
The answer on the later two questions will paint it all as to what can we expect from the battery in our phones for the forseeable future.
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Heat is the result of charging and discharging the cell at higher than usually considered healthy charging and discharging rates. As far as Im concerned I don't think that realme are in possession of any advanced battery tech, and would be much more oriented towards trustworthy tested day in-day out type of chemistry in their batteries. Specially at the price point of my x2pro.
Taking into consideration that I can only conclude that realme are driving these cells at their maximum tolerance of charging current. I would be pretty entertained if the juice in this device is satisfactory past the 2 year mark. And shocked at the same time.

This has been spoke about before by oppo themselves and is available on the internet, it's 2x batteries at 2000mah each... The batteries are charged at the same time but independently and each battery is monitored at all times for heat etc... Total voltage is split between both to not apply to much pressure and as the batteries are 2000mah each it's obviously Parallel as you get total 4000mah.

Realme x2 pro has two batteries
Hey guys hope you are aware that realme x2 pro has 2 batteries of approximately 2000mah each and not one single 4000mah battery. That is what gives it the charging speed and the battery health is not affected because of the ingenious way VOOC works. You can watch the video on youtube. AccuBattery is not designed for phones with two batteries. Maybe we can expect compatibility for realme x2 pro in a future update.

Ab97 said:
Hey guys hope you are aware that realme x2 pro has 2 batteries of approximately 2000mah each and not one single 4000mah battery. That is what gives it the charging speed and the battery health is not affected because of the ingenious way VOOC works. You can watch the video on youtube. AccuBattery is not designed for phones with two batteries. Maybe we can expect compatibility for realme x2 pro in a future update.
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Just declare it as 2000 mAh and you're good.