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root and warranty in the EU/UK

Hi,
I am sorry if this common knowledge around here, but it took me a while to find so I thought it might be worth posting this info here.
I am considering rooting just so that I can save large files from games to my sd card, I was worried about this knox thing (never had a Samsung before) and voiding my warranty just so I can do this.
I have found the following post that seems to confirm that rooting alone DOES NOT void your warranty if you are in the UK, regardless of what happens to Knox...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1998801
This forum is obviously international and this just applies to the EU, but I thought it worth posting if it helps others like it helped me.

WARNING!!!
Before you unknowingly get people into bad situation you might want to consider this post as-well. Your link is very old and has been refused on several instances. Basically has not created any useful precedence to my knowledge.
Also KNOX put a whole new spin on the issue.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=45570695&postcount=4

I posted it before in one of the topic, but Im gonna repost again.
Regarding this topic discussed and this EU directive, I contacted both, Samsung Latvia, aswell as Consumer Rights Protection Centre.
In short - Samsung still stands on its warranty card, saying that rooting will void the warranty.
CRPC States, that they take sides with Samsung. Because they have such point in warranty, they cannot "protect me".
So only way something would change in Latvia (its in EU) is, if I would take Samsung to court telling that, the "rooting voids warranty" point in their warranty card is against EU rules (or w/e rules) and court would agree on me. No way Im doing that
Whats unofficial way of dealing against KNOX 0x1 when you take your phone to warranty service center is different story. Sometimes they might just fix your phone under warranty and reset the fuse (Like it was sayd in different post). Just dont count on that.

Hmmm, thanks,
This looks to be a very complex area, I was not meaning to mislead and I apologise if that's what has happened.
There looks to be a lot of concussion over who the warranty is actually with, either EE (in my case) or Samsung. I have to admit I don't understand the difference, if there is some law that states that the phone should be covered by the warranty, then what does it matter who it is with?
Has there been no precedent of someone having their phone rooted and still having it covered under warranty?
i also don't understand why Knox changed things? My understanding from reading some Samsung press is that Knox is designed for business platforms where the 'one device for work and home' idea can be supported by corporations it departments to make sure the devices are safe. It's disappointing that this same technology prevents personal users from doing what we want with our phones.
i appreciate that all I am trying to do is save large files (in this case for games) is a google policy change, not Samsung, but if rooting is the only way that I can utilise the expansion that the SD offers then it's also disappointing that this would void my warranty?!
I understand the 'root voids warranty' that is plastered all over can, but am just asking...

btw
I do not understand why even the warranty is lost just because I got root??? whether it is this or that Samsung or HTC or some other mobile.
I find it this is an old primitive law.
For me it means: root = admin
Fo example: I'm admin on my PC with Win7 and I still do have warranty for all my coponents or?
Just try to imagine you loose warranty for your motherboard or graphik card cos you have admin rights. lol
A S5 is for me like an PC that I can use how I want it to.

In Sweden we have a nice law for the consumer.
Warranty is totally optional. Samsung voids the warranty when rooting but we have something called "reklamationsrätt".
This forces the seller (not Samsung) to fix the phone (factory faults) within 3 years from purchase. The store has to solve the problem with Samsung (not our problem).
http://www.hallakonsument.se/other-languages/other-languages/english-engelska1/consumer-sales-act/
"During the first six months after the purchase, it is up to the seller to prove that the fault did not exist when the good was first purchased. When more than six months have passed after the purchase, the onus is upon you as the purchaser, to prove that the fault existed from the very beginning.
According to the Consumer Sales Act, your right to complain expires three years after you received the good. This applies to goods and services you purchased on that day or later. The product may have a guarantee period shorter than three years, but this does not shorten the complaint period according to the act."
Burden of proof is much higher for businesses compared to the consumer.
We really don't need the warranty here.
It is always optional for the seller to provide guarantees. They can't negotiate their way around "reklamationsrätten" regulated in the consumer purchases act. IT'S THE LAW!
Read about warranty here:
http://www.hallakonsument.se/other-languages/other-languages/english-engelska1/warranties/
So, if they can't prove that the fault is caused by root, they can't deny us to get it fixes. After the six months they will still fix obvious errors that can not be explained by root or bad use. As I said, the burden of proof is much lower for the consumer.
Other countries could have laws like this? At least within EU?
Edit:
I understand why Samsung voids the warranty. Samsung can't be held responsible for problems with the software on the phone if you have modified it. Then it is not something that Samsung want's to waste money on to fix. It's your problem.

Orka82 said:
In Sweden we have a nice law for the consumer.
Warranty is totally optional. Samsung voids the warranty when rooting but we have something called "reklamationsrätt".
This forces the seller (not Samsung) to fix the phone (factory faults) within 3 years from purchase. The store has to solve the problem with Samsung (not our problem).
http://www.konsumentverket.se/otherlanguages/English/Consumer-rights/Defective-goodsComplaint-/
"During the first six months after the purchase, it is up to the seller to prove that the fault did not exist when the good was first purchased. When more than six months have passed after the purchase, the onus is upon you as the purchaser, to prove that the fault existed from the very beginning.
According to the Consumer Purchases Act, your right to complain expires three years after you received the good. This applies to goods and services you purchased on that day or later. The product may have a guarantee period shorter than three years, but this does not shorten the complaint period according to the act."
Burden of proof is much higher for businesses compared to the consumer.
We really don't need the warranty here.
It is always optional for the seller to provide guarantees. They can't negotiate their way around "reklamationsrätten" regulated in the consumer purchases act. IT'S THE LAW!
Read about warranty here:
http://www.konsumentverket.se/otherlanguages/English/Consumer-rights/Guarantee/
So, if they can't prove that the fault is caused by root, they can't deny us to get it fixes. After the six months they will still fix obvious errors that can not be explained by root or bad use. As I said, the burden of proof is much lower for the consumer.
Other countries could have laws like this? At least within EU?
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I understand why Samsung voids the warranty. Samsung can't be held responsible for problems with the software on the phone if you have modified it. Then it is not something that Samsung want's to waste money on to fix. It's your problem.
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Nice post. I can't understand why they can't just void the software side of warranty...

craigcrawford1988 said:
Nice post. I can't understand why they can't just void the software side of warranty...
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I rooted my Galaxy S 5 the second day I got it but that was my choice and whenever you root your device you must realise the minute something goes wrong it is your own responsibility to fix it. The software in an android phone is responsible for a lot of aspects considering hardware like managing how hot and fast the cpu is, how your light works, your file system etc. The hardware is designed in a very specific manner and is set to run in a specific manner, when you root your phone you can change all that. You can force the hardware to run in "untested" ways so Samsung and other mobile manufacturers will not support when things go wrong because you use the phone in the way it wasn't designed to do.
I wouldn't go jumping on the rooting bandwagon if you're unsure about anything. I'd say do your research first and ask yourself why you want to root and also ask yourself are you going to be able to afford to fix it when things go wrong? I rooted my phone to change how my phone looks and get rid of things I don't need. Just remember when you root you cannot expect to receive help from the manufacturer when it goes wrong.

gareth261987 said:
I rooted my Galaxy S 5 the second day I got it but that was my choice and whenever you root your device you must realise the minute something goes wrong it is your own responsibility to fix it. The software in an android phone is responsible for a lot of aspects considering hardware like managing how hot and fast the cpu is, how your light works, your file system etc. The hardware is designed in a very specific manner and is set to run in a specific manner, when you root your phone you can change all that. You can force the hardware to run in "untested" ways so Samsung and other mobile manufacturers will not support when things go wrong because you use the phone in the way it wasn't designed to do.
I wouldn't go jumping on the rooting bandwagon if you're unsure about anything. I'd say do your research first and ask yourself why you want to root and also ask yourself are you going to be able to afford to fix it when things go wrong? I rooted my phone to change how my phone looks and get rid of things I don't need. Just remember when you root you cannot expect to receive help from the manufacturer when it goes wrong.
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Im thinking about PC and Windows. Its responsible for the same stuff. If you want, you can cook your PC in breakfeast... But still - I have full access on my computer, I want same things on my phone. And it shouldnt void the warranty...

Stiflerlv said:
Im thinking about PC and Windows. Its responsible for the same stuff. If you want, you can cook your PC in breakfeast... But still - I have full access on my computer, I want same things on my phone. And it shouldnt void the warranty...
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the computer is still more robust in that sense, also if you deleted files from windows which you shouldn't delete then the manufacturer would not fix it for free. If you fried the motherboard due to over clocking your computer that too wouldn't be covered by warranty. Now am not defending the manufacturers but with the amount of people that brick phones or root without knowing what they're doing would cost a lot of money to rectify.

Stiflerlv said:
Im thinking about PC and Windows. Its responsible for the same stuff. If you want, you can cook your PC in breakfeast... But still - I have full access on my computer, I want same things on my phone. And it shouldnt void the warranty...
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gareth261987 said:
the computer is still more robust in that sense, also if you deleted files from windows which you shouldn't delete then the manufacturer would not fix it for free. If you fried the motherboard due to over clocking your computer that too wouldn't be covered by warranty. Now am not defending the manufacturers but with the amount of people that brick phones or root without knowing what they're doing would cost a lot of money to rectify.
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and I would never go for service center just because of software glitch... Reinstall and move on. Same goes for Phones. Its normal if they wouldnt cover software problems with rooted phones, and approch same way you can apporch computers - reinstall -> test -> give back.

BIG WARNING before you buy an Asus android devices

Long story short:
If you UNLOCK BOOTLOADER of your device, you FULLY VOID the WARRANTY of the device.
Yes, defective screens, batteries....your warranty is not covering anything once you unlock your device using Asus's official unlock app.
You may wonder why Asus designed an app to unlock the bootloader of your device? Because when you unlock it, the app connects to Asus's server on internet, submit your device's serial number, and Asus knows that a device with such serial number is not under warranty anymore.
End of story. I learned it the hard way.
Want a good rooted device?
Go Samsung, Google Nexus, HTC
Google and HTC have clearly stated that unless the damage on the android device is caused by unlocking the bootloader, the device will be under warranty.
From my searches online you can re-lock your Samsung devices and you get your warranty.
My new Oneplus One phone even offers 1 time first year accidental screen replacement just like htc m8 in the US.
As of tablets, the Nexus series are always the best choices.
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Now, if you live in a region where there're laws enforcing hardware warranty of bootloader unlocked devices, you might have a chance to fight it back, but consider what you might need to go through I'd ask why not buy a better device with better warranty?

Why did that come as a surprise????
It's stated clearly when you run the unlock tool and BEFORE you hit "I agree".....

It seems like every ROM and kernel thread for Asus tablets on XDA warns you about this, so I don't know how you missed it.
The latest Samsung tablets like the Galaxy Tab S will also present a warranty problem, because depending upon which model you get there currently may be no way to root them or flash a new ROM without tripping Samsung's annoying Knox counter, which will void your warranty.
I know because I recently had problems booting my TF701T -- out of warranty because I had unlocked it -- and researched the other 10 inch tablets out there. Nexus tablets don't have SD card slots, which is a deal-breaker for me. HTC doesn't make its own brand tablets anymore, so I don't know why you mentioned them -- the only tablet they make right now is the Nexus 9.
I wasn't impressed with the offerings from Lenovo and Sony either, not after using a high DPI device like the TF701T. So I was pretty relieved when I got my Asus tablet working again and didn't have to buy another one.
You don't mention why you needed warranty service, or why you unlocked your bootloader.

berndblb said:
Why did that come as a surprise????
It's stated clearly when you run the unlock tool and BEFORE you hit "I agree".....
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Not before I purchaseed the product.....

Danforth said:
It seems like every ROM and kernel thread for Asus tablets on XDA warns you about this, so I don't know how you missed it.
The latest Samsung tablets like the Galaxy Tab S will also present a warranty problem, because depending upon which model you get there currently may be no way to root them or flash a new ROM without tripping Samsung's annoying Knox counter, which will void your warranty.
I know because I recently had problems booting my TF701T -- out of warranty because I had unlocked it -- and researched the other 10 inch tablets out there. Nexus tablets don't have SD card slots, which is a deal-breaker for me. HTC doesn't make its own brand tablets anymore, so I don't know why you mentioned them -- the only tablet they make right now is the Nexus 9.
I wasn't impressed with the offerings from Lenovo and Sony either, not after using a high DPI device like the TF701T. So I was pretty relieved when I got my Asus tablet working again and didn't have to buy another one.
You don't mention why you needed warranty service, or why you unlocked your bootloader.
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Got a defective screen......but then I used HTC, nexus, and apple devices before, and none voids your hardware warranty for unlock bootloader/jailbreaking....... and you don't ask why ppl unlock bootloader on xda?

alvinma said:
Got a defective screen......but then I used HTC, nexus, and apple devices before, and none voids your hardware warranty for unlock bootloader/jailbreaking....... and you don't ask why ppl unlock bootloader on xda?
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I asked why because I am wondering how you avoided reading any of the warnings in all of the Asus ROM and kernel threads. Pretty much all the instruction posts include the warning. I thought perhaps you had decided to unlock without first deciding on a particular ROM. But then, as berndblb mentioned above, there's that final warning when you run the unlock tool...
Given all the complaints about defective docks, I made sure to use my TF701T for more than a month before unlocking, to give time for any hardware flaws to show up. I also always read up about what is involved in rooting/replacing the ROM for any device BEFORE I even buy it, which is why I ruled out getting a new Samsung Galaxy Tab S.
Sorry to sound so unsympathetic -- it does suck that your display crapped out AFTER you unlocked it -- but I guess you'll just have to consider this a lesson hard-learned.
EDIT: I wanted to add that, not only does Samsung have Knox -- meaning you can potentially void your warranty just by rooting it -- Apple also reserves the right to refuse warranty repairs if your device is jailbroken. That means that you can get screwed if your device ends up in a state where you can't remove the jailbreak, even if the jailbreak had nothing to do with the problem.

To be honest I agree with OP. I have had so many devices through the years, HTC, Sony, Motorola, Samsung, Apple... I have always been into unlocking and rooting.
In EVERY rom thread for EVERY device you can read that you will loose warranty etc if you flash! So there is no difference here at the Asus forums of course.
The difference is that no other manufacturer that I know really use the serial number this way and deny you the hardware warranty after unlocking bootloader!
Software warranty would be understandable since you modify the software.
I have sent so many different devices for repairs, everyone unlocked and/or rooted and I have never had a problem. Sony, Samsung, HTC, Motorola... No problem at all.
I thought this would be the case with Asus too, but when I have been in contact with their technical support they clearly states that after unlocking the bootloader you will loose the complete original warranty, inclunding for hardware faults.

Its a good product. A good buy once safely rooted.
However I agree if you don't really find out without researching.
It shouldn't be difficult for Asus to stand behind the product with good service at least of all things.
Maybe it sounds crazy, but they should say "You root you void your warranty, but we fix it anyway?!"
"What on earth have you got to be kidding. We dont pull those stunts."
And maybe some places do fix it anyway. But as a result these things dont sell.

I'll throw in my 2 cents also.
Most of the other manufactures also state that if you unlock/root your warranty is void. The difference is, most of them do not provide a way for you to do it.
For most of the others the only way to root was with an exploit and then you could either unroot for warranty or mess it up so bad that they couldn't tell that it had been rooted.
I agree with the Asus policy, you mess around with it anyway then it's your problem.
It is clearly stated on their website that it voids warranty, if your complaint is that you didn't know before you bought it then that is your fault. Did you do any research on their website before you bought it, did you look at any threads here on xda? If you bought it so that you could root it you should have know, if you bought it because you liked it and then you read all the warnings and rooted it because you could after, then it's your own fault. Sorry
I could make analogies to other things about how it is similar but the bottom line is their warranty specifically says that if you rooted it your warranty is gone. It is clearly stated and you ignored it.

STILL, there is a big difference between Asus and other manufacturers!
Sony also provides unlocking tool, says unlocking MAY void warranty, but issues such as known hardware problems is still covered.
HTC also provides unlocking tool, says unlocking MAY void warranty and hardware problems non-related to unlocking seems to still be covered.
Samsung uses it's KNOX system which does not register the serial number when unlocking but make a flag in the phones bootloader. Samsung handles this different in different countries but generally it seems to be no problem to still get the phone repaired under warranty.
So when Asus register your serial number when you unlock the bootloader and then denies ALL warranty claims is not "something every manufacturer does".
And with the TF701 which has some big quality issues, like keyboard dock, loose glass, why would these not be covered by warranty just because the software is modified? It does not make sense.

I bought an unlocked TF701T on ebay. It was unusable with lots of phantom touches. I chatted with Asus service and explicitly stated that the device was rooted and unlocked. They said it was under warranty and gave me an RMA number. A week after I shipped it the tablet came back repaired. I was quite pleased with their service.
Sorry, I know that's like gasoline on the fire if someone had a bad experience. But they did well and I have to give them credit.

That's good to hear! In which country do you live?

Do NOT buy ASUS ever !!! this tablet is piece of s***.... sorry but it is the truth
hi guys,
I can only confirm what other users have stated about bad experience with asus tf701t , on paper it looks very nice, but the reality is very different ! do not waste your money on a company that is looking for one shot users.
I bought mine from amazon, and from the very beginning i had problem with screen sensitivity, sometimes there are phantom zones, means when i touch the screen nothing happens, like at the top when trying to roll out the android menu. (middle top part of the screen)
So since i am a very loyal asus customer, (laptop ROG, motherboards, asus infinity 700,) i was used to 'ok' quality, so i was not suspecting hardware. I thought my issue was software related. So i flashed and updated my rom.
Unfortunately it DID NOT resolve my problem, so that proved me that the problem is hardware related. So i write ASUS customer support, and they refused to repair their piece of crap they sold me. Hidding behind the warranty policy...very lame !
They refused to face the facts. I wrote a second time kindly to ask them to reconsider, since i am a good customer and i am asking for the first time the support that i deserved, since my tablet is just 6months old, and problems started from day 1 !!
ASUS told me i could send the tablet and so a check to see what needs to be replaced for EUR 75 , and only then a quote could be made about how much more I would need to pay for the repair... GIVE ME A BREAK !
First they sell me untested hardware...because if it would have been gone through proper quality test it would have ended in the garbage can and not on shelves.
The quality and success through time of a company comes not only from what you build but the support you give to your customers, and also know to admit when you build and publish crap on the market !
Sorry to be so hard, but honestly between the way i have been treated and the way I describe it to you, i am polite.
I will NEVER ever in this life BUY Asus again. Farewell to asus and burn in hell...
So think twice give before you buy asus. I hope this review will give you also a preview of what this Asus tablet is.

alvinma said:
Long story short:
If you UNLOCK BOOTLOADER of your device, you FULLY VOID the WARRANTY of the device.
Yes, defective screens, batteries....your warranty is not covering anything once you unlock your device using Asus's official unlock app.
You may wonder why Asus designed an app to unlock the bootloader of your device? Because when you unlock it, the app connects to Asus's server on internet, submit your device's serial number, and Asus knows that a device with such serial number is not under warranty anymore.
End of story. I learned it the hard way.
Want a good rooted device?
Go Samsung, Google Nexus, HTC
Google and HTC have clearly stated that unless the damage on the android device is caused by unlocking the bootloader, the device will be under warranty.
From my searches online you can re-lock your Samsung devices and you get your warranty.
My new Oneplus One phone even offers 1 time first year accidental screen replacement just like htc m8 in the US.
As of tablets, the Nexus series are always the best choices.
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Now, if you live in a region where there're laws enforcing hardware warranty of bootloader unlocked devices, you might have a chance to fight it back, but consider what you might need to go through I'd ask why not buy a better device with better warranty?
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With Unlock can't Asus refuse warranty in EU and CH generelly. A short letter from my adovator and Asus repair under warrenty my laudspeaker. Only defects with connection with Unlock can refuse from Asus, but ASUS must prove relation.
ASUS AGB are not allowed in EU or CH and violate law. Paper are patience and not all was wrote is true

It probably depends on certain issues and the extend of damage like if you dropped it or something. Edit: If ASUS DOESNT STAND BEHIND THEIR PRODUCT. Unless they change their tune I wont buy another Asus thing.

Asus warranty
Your Asus warranty is of no use anyway. Here's my experience:
I bought the tf701 when it came out. I read a lot of reviews, watched Youtube reviews and so on.
When I received it I noticed that the tablet did not sit firmly in the keyboard dock. However there were no other problems so I did not care. After a few weeks I noticed connectivity problems between the dock and the tablet. I found out that many people had that problem and that all docks are affected from the first and second batch (not a single word about that in any reviews I watched previously). I wrote Asus and they told me to talk to the vendor where I bought it. this vendor (eGlobal) asked me to send my tablet and dock to them on my own costs, what I did. after 8 weeks or so I got it back in a worse shape than before. Not only the problem has not been fixed, one of the rubber feet was missing and the tablet had some scratches on the back side. eGlobal told me that it was Asus' fault, so I contacted Asus again. They were replying with the same message (copy&pasted), no matter what I wrote them, that I have to contact my vendor. eGlobal was likewise uncooperative blaming Asus instead. The tablet was still under warranty but all I got from it were some scratches and a missing rubber foot.
I got Asus mainboard, display and other hardware but this was definitely the last time that I bought an Asus product.

You should direct your frustration against the people that deserve it - your vendor (eGlobal) as it is they that have the support. The manufacturer is not involved (at least if you are located in Europe - aren't quite sure how the laws are in other parts of the world). If you have received your goods back from repair in damaged condition, you should take it up with the vendor...

I am located in Europe. My experience with ASUS support is that they are quick to reply and I have never had a problem with getting a warranty service approved (yet). I have sent in two computers (one computer two times and the other four times) and my TF701 two times. The irritating thing is that they give you a date (but no time) when the transport company will come and pick it up which means I have to take a day off work just sitting at home waiting for the transport company. When they want to deliver it to me it's the same thing, they give you a date and you are supposed to wait at home whole day.
The most irritating thing about this is that the transport company (in my case DHL) has a service point just around the corner from my house but they will not accept that I leave the box there, they HAVE to collect it at my home. Every other company I have sent products for warranty service to have given me the option to leave it at a service point and then collect it there.
ASUS service work shop in Czech Republic where all my services have been sent seems to have problems with understanding English since they often just fix some of the problems I have had, not all of them.

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You should direct your frustration against the people that deserve it - your vendor (eGlobal) as it is they that have the support. The manufacturer is not involved (at least if you are located in Europe - aren't quite sure how the laws are in other parts of the world). If you have received your goods back from repair in damaged condition, you should take it up with the vendor...
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The faulty product comes from Asus. The repair that achieved absolute nothing was done by Asus and overall support from Asus isnt that great. Sure, I will not buy from that vendor again because their support lacks as well. Bottomline is that your warranty is worth nothing at all.

does op not realize that both iterations of nexus 7 tablets are made my asus? so recommending against asus, but recommending a nexus tablet is... well... dumb... Asus makes amazing products. just do a bit of research before purchasing, and especially before rooting and you will be fine. I own both a nexus 7 gen 2 and a transformer tf701 both unlocked and rooted. never had a single issue with either, and if it werent for rooting and the custom rom community my transformer would still be stuck on KK rather than able to run both LP and linux simultaniously... again, asus makes great products. I'd go asus over samsung any day... KNOX is a *****..

T-Mobile Note 4: JUMP! and Rooting/Custom Recovery/KNOX(0x1)

Hey guys, here's an excerpt from the official Terms and Conditions for T-Mobile's "JUMP!" program. (Downloaded here: https://support.t-mobile.com/servle.../7271-42-606092/JUMP Terms and Conditions.pdf)
Device Eligibility. The Eligible Device must (i) match the IMEI
identified on the EIP Agreement, or at CWork’s discretion any
replacements provided by T-Mobile, the manufacturer, or by the
administrator in accordance with the PHP Terms; and (ii) power
on and have its hardware and software operating in a manner
consistent with the original Manufacturer’s specifications, and
neither have a cracked screen nor water damage (“Good Working
Order”) as determined by CWork in its reasonable discretion
(“Eligible Device”). You must also have paid at least 50% of Your
Device cost for the Eligible Device.
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Really, I just want to confirm how section (ii) applies to Rooting, Custom Recoveries, and tripping KNOX in this scenario:
Let's say that you've tripped KNOX by rooting or installing a custom recovery, but before trying to use JUMP, you've returned the software of your Note 4 to absolute stock.
The only thing modified at this point is the KNOX indicator (0x1) and the inability to use KNOX features.
I've been told by a T-Mobile representative that JUMP will still cover my Note 4 if the scenario above is true, but I really don't want to proceed with any activity that'll trip KNOX if I can't use my JUMP benefits as a result.
Can anybody possibly provide some extra insight? Thank you in advance. :good:

Waste of Thread....close it

Every time I went in to get a new phone all they checked for was physical damage.

I had the same concerns today and asked. My rep didn't even know what rooting was, and said physical damage was all they cared about. You should search the forums for similar threads before posting. I've seen this question answered the same way before.

They only care about water damage. In fact I briked an s5 last thurs and had my replacement by tues. No worries

Yeah I had the same problem with my note 4 (soft bricked, could fix but downloading stock firmware took so long so by the time it finished I was at the store,), it got covered by JUMP! as far as I know. I still got it replaced because the fingerprint scanner broke in the aftermath of the process.

Denied warranty on rooted oneplus 3

Hello guys, i recently made a post on reddit oneplus subreddit about how i was denied warranty for my oneplus 3 phone since i was rooted and i was told i should share it here so here it goes.
So I went to the oneplus service center today since my display had some issues. My phone was in the warranty period. Right on checking the phone the guy says that since this is a rooted phone they don't provide hardware warranty. I argued with him saying that oneplus advertises quite proudly that rooting does not infact void your warranty so how can they claim otherwise. On this I was told that they have officially been given in mail that hardware warranty will be void on rooted phone and it will only get software warranty. After arguing with him for quite some time he threatened me that if he marks this phone as rooted in the system I will never ever be able to claim warranty on the phone. I literally had to pleade and beg him for several hours to change the display did he finally agree. Even in this he said he is doing a big favor to me and warned me not to ever root the device again if I want warranty.
Now I want to ask has oneplus officially changed their policy on rooting? If so why does their website still say that rooting does not void your warranty if the service center claims otherwise.

The technical process of rooting or unlocking the bootloader does not void the warranty of a OnePlus device. However, we strongly suggest for you to only root or unlock the bootloader of your OnePlus device if you are confident in your understanding of the risks involved.
By accessing resources regularly unavailable to the software, you may damage your hardware during or after the procedure. Such damage is not covered under warranty. In warranty handling, we will first need to verify that any faulty behavior is unrelated to rooting / unlocking.
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This is what the website tells us about rooting and warranty. (source: https://oneplus.net/nl/support/answer/will-rooting-or-unlocking-the-bootloader-void-my-warranty)
As far as I know the policy didn't change. I can understand the confusion from the service center point of view, but there is no such thing as hardware or software warranty. Only hardware damage caused by software related hacks/tweaks (which can be used after unlocking/rooting), is not covered under warranty. I assume your screen damage does not fall under that category and it is caused by fall damage for example.

Bobbika said:
This is what the website tells us about rooting and warranty. (source: https://oneplus.net/nl/support/answer/will-rooting-or-unlocking-the-bootloader-void-my-warranty)
As far as I know the policy didn't change. I can understand the confusion from the service center point of view, but there is no such thing as hardware or software warranty. Only hardware damage caused by software related hacks/tweaks (which can be used after unlocking/rooting), is not covered under warranty. I assume your screen damage does not fall under that category and it is caused by fall damage for example.
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I did not have a screen damage, my phone screen had lost sensitivity and was registering swipe motion as touch . This started happening even before I was rooted and in no way connected to the process of rooting. They tried to deny me warranty on this.

i_rock098 said:
I did not have a screen damage, my phone screen had lost sensitivity and was registering swipe motion as touch . This started happening even before I was rooted and in no way connected to the process of rooting. They tried to deny me warranty on this.
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May i ask in what country this happend? It's not only Oneplus that does this stuff btw. Next time show him what is on the site. If he denies you simply ask his name and send Oneplus a email about it.. I can work at a service center too and say this stuff.. Its not only Oneplus..

i_rock098 said:
I did not have a screen damage, my phone screen had lost sensitivity and was registering swipe motion as touch . This started happening even before I was rooted and in no way connected to the process of rooting. They tried to deny me warranty on this.
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In that case I'd say it was your own risk to start rooting your device after you knew there were issues with it.
The problem with the current warranty policy is that it's hard to prove what damage rooting could cause. In your case the repair shop could say that you might have overclocked your device with the acquired root. With that the device can overheat and the digitizer (which handles the touchscreen input) could be overheated as well and starts to fail. Not saying that is the case here, but it would be hard to prove otherwise.
In other words, when you have to deal with warranty and repair, it's a good advice to give them no reasons to deny the warranty.
TLDR: Repair your device before rooting

At least here in Germany this is illegal and NOT possible. At least the given by law warranty has to be given even with root unless they can prove it caused the defect, so they have to prove their claim and not you. Any extened warranty from the company itself can be waaay different though.

Puddi_Puddin said:
May i ask in what country this happend? It's not only Oneplus that does this stuff btw. Next time show him what is on the site. If he denies you simply ask his name and send Oneplus a email about it.. I can work at a service center too and say this stuff.. Its not only Oneplus..
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This is in India. we have one of the worst consumer policies in the world where often service centers treat customers like ****. He was pretty confident in telling me to go talk to oneplus if i want it wont help and that if he ever marks the phone as rooted in the system i would never ever be able to claim warranty on the phone.
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In that case I'd say it was your own risk to start rooting your device after you knew there were issues with it.
The problem with the current warranty policy is that it's hard to prove what damage rooting could cause. In your case the repair shop could say that you might have overclocked your device with the acquired root. With that the device can overheat and the digitizer (which handles the touchscreen input) could be overheated as well and starts to fail. Not saying that is the case here, but it would be hard to prove otherwise.
In other words, when you have to deal with warranty and repair, it's a good advice to give them no reasons to deny the warranty.
TLDR: Repair your device before rooting
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I agree that I should have gone to fix it before rooting but then again if they had not mentioned on their site clearly that rooting does not void your warranty I would have not rooted at all in the first place till my warranty period got over. I dont mind taking a brunt for a fault of mine due to flashing like getting stuck in a bootlop or something but this clearly was a manufacturing defect and not mine.
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At least here in Germany this is illegal and NOT possible. At least the given by law warranty has to be given even with root unless they can prove it caused the defect, so they have to prove their claim and not you. Any extened warranty from the company itself can be waaay different though.
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Yeah unfortunately I am in India and here like i mentioned in the post earlier we have very weak consumer laws, even if i would sue them the case would drag on for like 5 years with no guaranty that it would still get resolved.

@i_rock098
I have no local stores in my country, everything must be shipped. When facing a problem you need to get some repair ticket from the website. That would mean you don't need the ... local support store. Also it should be possible to simply restore the phone's software to stock before sending it to OnePlus. Have you tried bringing itr back to stock or is the phone freaking out in a way making it impossible?

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@i_rock098
I have no local stores in my country, everything must be shipped. When facing a problem you need to get some repair ticket from the website. That would mean you don't need the ... local support store. Also it should be possible to simply restore the phone's software to stock before sending it to OnePlus. Have you tried bringing itr back to stock or is the phone freaking out in a way making it impossible?
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And to add to this.
If you have an issue with your phone feel free to make a post. As long as you provide decent information I'm pretty sure people including me are here to you help you.

Repeat after me, the store is in INDIA. I don't do business with India. I did business with OnePlus China and OnePlus US and received superior assistance, including a free replacement phone when my rooted phone could not be repaired.

These are topics where OnePlus customer service could (and should) step in and make a name for themselves, or at least start to.
OP, send a support ticket to OnePlus, add the e-mail address of the service centre to the cc and when you get a response from OnePlus, go back and politely ask them to repair the phone according to the OnePlus warranty terms.

Forget these repair shops in India. These are probably not official OnePlus service centers, as I don't think they have stores set up anywhere. According to the YouTube video that they OnePlus made, they only offer repair services through their website, OnePlus.net/support. You need to contact them via phone (It is listed on their website), and they will then determine if it needs to be sent to them for repair via RMA. https://youtu.be/KCdu8VhleVM

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Forget these repair shops in India. These are probably not official OnePlus service centers, as I don't think they have stores set up anywhere. According to the YouTube video that they OnePlus made, they only offer repair services through their website, OnePlus.net/support. You need to contact them via phone (It is listed on their website), and they will then determine if it needs to be sent to them for repair via RMA. https://youtu.be/KCdu8VhleVM
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There are official repair centres (approved by OnePlus but not run by them) for OnePlus in India. But I don't know whether the OP went to an official centre or not.
As with almost all official repair centres of any manufacturer, there are two ways of asking for repair during warranty. One is what is mentioned by you ie. contact OnePlus directly, they will issue a ticket number and then armed with that, you approach the repair centre. The other way is directly walking into the repair centre and asking for warranty repair. I think the OP adopted this and as is likely in most such situations, the repair centre tried to outsmart him. IMO, if the OP had contacted OnePlus first, this issue might not have arisen at all.
I am speaking on the authority of my experience of approaching Acer directly the first time and going to the repair centre directly the second time. Ofcourse the second time I was given a run around which I ultimately overcame.

Samsung Galaxy S20 FE 5G Cloudy / Distorted/ Pixelated Display when black

Hi there,
I've recently bought the Samsung Galaxy S20 FE 5G ( SM-G781B) and I've noticed part of the display is cloudy/distorted when black.
It's most noticeable on the lock screen, or whenever the background is black.
It looks like some sort of defect. Does anyone have any ideas?
I noticed some cloudiness (to a lesser degree) on my Samsung Galaxy S8.
I bought the S20 FE brand new from Samsung.
I've attached some images for reference.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!

If you just bought it, what's the point of making a thread? Just bring it back to the shop and show defect.

bladez said:
If you just bought it, what's the point of making a thread? Just bring it back to the shop and show defect.
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Because a similar effect happened on the S8 so not sure if it's just Samsung displays or something else. Mostly visible when the room is dark so it's hard to show when the room is lit.

This is the lottery of OLED screens. Some are perfect and some are (defective) like this.

Mine has a uniformity issue, too. It's only visible in low brightness dark gray when in a dark room, so I decided to keep mine. I've seen similar issues in other oled panels of Galaxy and Pixel phones as well before. There is no guarantee you get a better panel for a replacement as mentioned in the comment above. If the un-uniformity is too bad, I would just return it and get another one because I heard Samsung is tough on exchange or repair for this kind of display issue.

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There is no guarantee you get a better panel for a replacement as mentioned in the comment above. If the un-uniformity is too bad, I would just return it and get another one because I heard Samsung is tough on exchange or repair for this kind of display issue.
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Is it possible to get a replacement (UK) if the phone is rooted and the bootloader is unlocked?
My fear is that if I don't get it repaired/replaced, it may get worse over time, and then I'm stuck with it.

Not sure about the exchange policy in the UK. The display uniformity didn't get worse over time in my old phones.

Only problem is the Samsung stores are closed in the UK at the moment.

user128494 said:
Is it possible to get a replacement (UK) if the phone is rooted and the bootloader is unlocked?
My fear is that if I don't get it repaired/replaced, it may get worse over time, and then I'm stuck with it.
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EU law set a president years ago that even if the phone is rooted Samsung have to honor the hardware warranty. But if your that worried back up your data and flash the stock rom back to the phone via ODIN before you send it off to Samsung. Clearly there is something wring with the display on your unit.

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There is no guarantee you get a better panel for a replacement as mentioned in the comment above. If the un-uniformity is too bad
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The issue is the S20FE has an AMOLED screen so there is NO backlight, you should not being seeing any kind of 'glow' on put black backgrounds. Also my S20FE 5G shows no such defect.

b1k3rdude said:
EU law set a president years ago that even if the phone is rooted Samsung have to honor the hardware warranty. But if your that worried back up your data and flash the stock rom back to the phone via ODIN before you send it off to Samsung. Clearly there is something wring with the display on your unit.
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The problem is, if I do send it off, they may just reject replacement of the item, as in download mode it says Warranty Void: 0x01
On the Samsung Forum a Samsung Mod talks about the warranty being voided in a similar thing:
Re: S10e flashing and warranty question.
So you're saying that by using Samsung's official firmware and tool I voided my warranty? Even tho I never rooted my phone or modified it in any way. I've mot installed any custom roms or anything? Just official stuff. And my warranty void counter on the phone remains at 0. Even tho this still...
eu.community.samsung.com

Thats the KNOX warranty only! Not the hardware warranty, don't let Samsung bully you into believing otherwise.
Of course the mods/admins on a manufacturers forum are going to tow the company line, but its just a community forum. Actual law is what you should pay head to, in this case EU law -
-https://www.piana.eu/root/ - see below
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" Does rooting your device (e.g. an Android phone) and replacing its operating system with something else void your statutory warranty, if you are a consumer?
In short: No. Just the fact that you modified or changed the software of your device, is not a sufficient reason to void your statutory warranty. As long as you have bought the device as a consumer in the European Union.
A bit longer: Directive 1999/44/CE dictates¹ that any object meeting certain criteria (including telephones, computers, routers etc.) being sold to a consumer² inside the European Union, has to carry a warranty from the seller that the device will meet the quality that you would expect for such a device for a period of 2 years. A telephone is an example of such a device and is an object that comprises many parts, from the case to the screen to the radio, to a mini-computer, to the battery, to the software that runs it. If any of these parts³ stop working in those 2 years, the seller has to fix or replace them. What is more these repairs should not cost the consumer a single cent — the seller has to cover the expenses (Directive 1999/44/CE, §3). If the seller has any expenses for returning it to the manufacturer, this is not your problem as a consumer.
If your device becomes defective in the first 6 months, it is presumed that the defect was there all along, so you should not need to prove anything. If your device becomes defective after the first 6 months, but before 2 years run out, you are still covered. The difference is only that if the defect arises now, the seller can claim that the defect was caused by some action that was triggered by non-normal use of the device.
But in order to avoid needing to repair or replace your device, the seller has to prove that your action caused⁵ the defect. It is generally recognised by courts that unless there is a sign of abuse of the device, the defect is there because the device was faulty from the beginning. That is just common sense, after all.
So, we finally come to the question of rooting, flashing and changing the software. Unless the seller can prove that modifying the software, rooting your device or flashing it with some other OS or firmware was the cause for the defect, you are still covered for defects during those 2 years. A good test to see if it is the software’s fault is to flash it back with stock firmware/OS and see if the problem persists. If it does, it is not a software- caused problem. If it is not possible to revert it stock software any more, it is also not a software-caused defect (unless you have “bricked” the phone while flashing it, un-bricking is not covered by any statutory warranty). There are very few hardware defects that are caused by software — e.g. overriding the speaker volume above the safe level could blow the speaker. Many manufacturers of consumer devices write into their warranties a paragraph that by changing the software or “rooting” your device, you void the warranty.
You have to understand that in EU we have a “statutory warranty”, which is compulsory that the seller must offer by law (Directive 1999/44/CE, §7.1) and a “voluntary warranty” which the seller or manufacturer can, but does not need to, offer as an additional service to the consumer. Usually the “voluntary warranty” covers a longer period of time or additional accidents not covered by law.⁶ If though the seller, the manufacturer or anyone else offers a “voluntary warranty”, he is bound to it as well! So, even if, by any chance your “voluntary warranty” got voided, by European law, you should still have the 2 year “compulsory warranty” as it is described in the Directive and which is the topic of this article. In case the seller refuses your right to repair or replace the device, you can sue him in a civil litigation and can report the incident to the national authority. In many European countries such action does not even require hiring a lawyer and is most of the time ensured by consumers associations.
The warranty under this Directive¹ is only applicable inside the European Union and only if you bought the device as a consumer.² "