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im making this thread for all of us who own a diam500/cdma version of the touch diamond. lets see what we can do to get android to fully work or work at all on our phones. ive asked zenulator & msmission to assist us, they are from the vogue/android section of xda. im sure with their knowledge they can get us hooked up.
i find it ridiculous that gsm diamonds have a fully working port but cdma does not. hopefully this thread will spark some devs interest? id try but im no good at this stuff+i have no time to learn to develop.
so what doesn't work? Do you have builds already? Do you have a kernel git somewhere? Do you have a ril git somewhere?
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so what doesn't work? Do you have builds already? Do you have a kernel git somewhere? Do you have a ril git somewhere?
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i can do some searching but the last version i saw on ppcgeeks was from june and it had no working phone, data or sms. ill find it and give you the link.
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=74691
heres the last known sort of working port for the diam500.
http://connect-utb.com/index.php?option=com_rokdownloads&view=folder&Itemid=68&id=5:htc-diamond
heres another link to a site that they host android on for gsm diamonds and touch pro's. don't know if it can help but i figured id post it.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=RaphaelLinux#Buildx20.Yourx20.Own
heres the xda wiki for the diamond/touch pro android.
so you guys need an entire ril written? sorry not my area of expertise
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so you guys need an entire ril written? sorry not my area of expertise
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im not sure, do you know of anybody that can help us out on your end?
so there is zero interest in this guys?
I'm very interested, but without any real developers on board with these specific devices, the going is slow and painful. I've been digging into source code this week, compiling kernel builds, trying to see how far I can get... but when it gets down to actually modifying the code, it's well beyond my level of expertise.
I've got a post over on ppcgeeks with a working build for my raph800, with possibly working wifi, but no cdma radio. I'm not sure if it'll work for diam500, but it should, since it's based on the combined build.
Since then, I've gotten some help from phh on irc, and gotten a build with cdma radio working, but still no cdma data (pretty sure it broke wifi, too). It's got a different ril rolled into the rootfs.img, and the last working smd.c and smd_rpcrouter.c from linuxtogo stuck into the latest build from the gitorious autobuild.
Anyway, you can give it a shot with this package from connect-UTB with the rootfs and zImage from ppcgeeks -- can't seem to upload them here. That's where we're at now. What's needed now is someone who can actually write the code for smd.c and smd_7500.c (the msm7500, i.e. cdma chipset) so that it properly creates a data channel. At that point we'll be pretty close to where the gsm project is. Are there any real developers in the house?
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so there is zero interest in this guys?
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I'd love to see this happen, and have checked these threads for quite a while in hopes of real progress. I've been really impressed with zenulator's work, incredible really, but as I understand it, he was offered a dia500 but declined it? Were he or another accomplished developer up to the challenge, I'd make a Paypal donation to them in a heartbeat, as I'm sure many many other lurkers would.
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I'd love to see this happen, and have checked these threads for quite a while in hopes of real progress. I've been really impressed with zenulator's work, incredible really, but as I understand it, he was offered a dia500 but declined it? Were he or another accomplished developer up to the challenge, I'd make a Paypal donation to them in a heartbeat, as I'm sure many many other lurkers would.
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i love to see it too as i hate winmo with a passion. i would also donate for a fully working port.
i am in for a donation too.
hoping for Android!
Me too no doubt you can count me in too for a paypal donation. Doing these kernals and modifying the code requires a good deal of time. If you are a developer out there reading this thread there are people here willing to reimburse you for that time and effort you put into it.
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Hey I caught eye of this on PPC, am very much interested in seeing this project pull through. Seems like hordes of work, I am also willing to donate through paypal to keep steam on this !
*fingers crossed*
we need something, i mean they have a flashable android rom for the touch vogue now and we have squat nothing.
fixxxer2008 said:
we need something, i mean they have a flashable android rom for the touch vogue now and we have squat nothing.
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fyi, some progress is being made, but not there yet.... ;(
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=61457&page=40
agentmikeyd said:
fyi, some progress is being made, but not there yet.... ;(
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=61457&page=40
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no progress than i can see. by the time they do it, ill have a real android phone.
Hey everyone, I've been working on DIAM500 and Android for the last week (after not having done much since October). There has been some real progress since then, especially in the phone functionality.
Things that work:
* placing/receiving calls (although only the speaker works, not the mic)
* send/receive SMS
* Wi-Fi
We're also real close to getting a cell data connection working.
Things that don't work:
* Bluetooth
* Camera
* GPS
* Power management (backlight control, sleep)
* Performance is sometimes sluggish
If I can get a cell data connection running (it is working sporadically on RAPH800), I'll post a kernel and instructions here so you can try it out.
I have a feeling if it gets to the point that wifi and data work, a lot of vogue guys will pick up diamonds on ebay, which would contribute to this fledgling thread. I am both a vogue and diamond owner, the screen and features of the diamond would blow the vogue out of the water if it were as functional with android.
After much practice into linux, i went for a C coding workshop for android. Basically i doubled, maybe even tripled my skill level. I finally am able to promise you something not pointless to this society which feels great hatred on me. I already got over this. I hope such releases can ease the scams in may.
The new kernel, based on ARM.'s vanilla kernel common, will be a 3.4.11 kernel. It features full tweaks to all over the source. Expect little features on initial release. The releases in the front will be focused entirely on fixing the kernel sources itself. The major merge all the way to the latest kernel version might have caused bugs to appear
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After much practice into linux, i went for a C coding workshop for android. Basically i doubled, maybe even tripled my skill level. I finally am able to promise you something not pointless to this society which feels great hatred on me. I already got over this. I hope such releases can ease the scams in may.
The new kernel, based on ARM.'s vanilla kernel common, will be a 3.4.11 kernel. It features full tweaks to all over the source. Expect little features on initial release. The releases in the front will be focused entirely on fixing the kernel sources itself. The major merge all the way to the latest kernel version might have caused bugs to appear
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Again?? Aren't you tired? You went over it but people from the forum certainly not. I absolutely don't wanna argue with you but yesterday Jarred aka Universal SS droped the ARM thread and today you are back.And you are not the same person. Certainly not. You are like bad news,they never fail.
nicholaschw said:
After much practice into linux, i went for a C coding workshop for android. Basically i doubled, maybe even tripled my skill level. I finally am able to promise you something not pointless to this society which feels great hatred on me. I already got over this. I hope such releases can ease the scams in may.
The new kernel, based on ARM.'s vanilla kernel common, will be a 3.4.11 kernel. It features full tweaks to all over the source. Expect little features on initial release. The releases in the front will be focused entirely on fixing the kernel sources itself. The major merge all the way to the latest kernel version might have caused bugs to appear
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Good for you. Hope it works out better this time and test thoroughly before release and after changes.
might is a understatement. It almost certainly will cause bugs to appear (the most common bug is it not booting when major changes are made to the kernel base). Also allot of the bugs from the kernel don't show symtoms they just go wrong and use a few more KB of memory or that bit restarts and causes a slight slowdown or it takes a few milliseconds longer to complete its task etc.
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Again?? Aren't you tired? You went over it but people from the forum certainly not. I absolutely don't wanna argue with you but yesterday Jarred aka Universal SS droped the ARM thread and today you are back.And you are not the same person. Certainly not. You are like bad news,they never fail.
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Your comments (although highly entertaining) don't do much, at least he's trying. Your right though: some information is contradictory.
EDIT: Have a taco
xonar_ said:
Good for you. Hope it works out better this time and test thoroughly before release and after changes.
might is a understatement. It almost certainly will cause bugs to appear (the most common bug is it not booting when major changes are made to the kernel base). Also allot of the bugs from the kernel don't show symtoms they just go wrong and use a few more KB of memory or that bit restarts and causes a slight slowdown or it takes a few milliseconds longer to complete its task etc.
Your comments (although highly entertaining) don't do much, at least he's trying. Your right though: some information is contradictory.
EDIT: Have a taco
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I don't get it
First it was Nicholas who said he's handing it to a new maintainer, who is Jared, right? And Jared mentioned it has been dropped support
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2034227&page=10
Good news for everyone!ARM. will drop support for the LG optimus black!Hope everyone is happy and have a nice day.(I'll still be in the forums though)Moderators please lock this thread
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And now ARM Project's back?
Yes. He is fed up of this community. So, he turned over to support HTC. I give him my support for DNA. Now, i comeback to finish off what is destroyed, complete whats junk, and make it into something like a useful book into a library. Thanks xonar. I still have one last lesson. I did not learn drivers. edv, as said above, thats my motive. And, the reason why i comeback is the value of my life. You rather change an enemy into a friend rather than gaining more opposition.
nicholas for f--k sake !!! , once you have the kernel going post the topic and flatter yourself ,, you never learn do you
If this is going to turn into a flame war then I'll close it as that's not needed here but as it's posted in General, you should be here to discuss the topic. It's been explained why the other one was dropped but if nicholaschw wants to try develop something out of it let him and just ignore this thread if you don't have anything productive to add to it. This wasn't posted in Development so he's not expected to have the kernel ready to post so discussion is allowed here.
Thanks
AvRS
ARM Project TEAM.
To get away our doubt to you, may I ask you something about your ARM Project?
You have many thread there,
Optimus Black
Optimus 2X
Xperia Arc
HTC Droid DNA
Samsung Galaxy S3; and
Google Nexus 4.
And I got this post,
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We are an non-profit organisation alike cyanogenmod, but only focusing on creating a global aftermarket kernel for the Android OS, specifically to remove the major setbacks of linux.
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So you're involved with (kind of) non-profit organization (alike CyanogenMod), can we know who's the members of your team? AFAIK, you don't own the phone in personal. So you (might) develop those kernel alone by yourself, or how many developers in your team?
I read your ARM. Project Recruitment, and it seems no one interested, so this non-profit organization doesn't existed yet, or you already have your own internal team?
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To get away our doubt to you, may I ask you something about your ARM Project?
You have many thread there,
Optimus Black
Optimus 2X
Xperia Arc
HTC Droid DNA
Samsung Galaxy S3; and
Google Nexus 4.
And I got this post,
So you're involved with (kind of) non-profit organization (alike CyanogenMod), can we know who's the members of your team? AFAIK, you don't own the phone in personal. So you (might) develop those kernel alone by yourself, or how many developers in your team?
I read your ARM. Project Recruitment, and it seems no one interested, so this non-profit organization doesn't existed yet, or you already have your own internal team?
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We currently are five-membered. Xperia is full, me, jared and pidozz. Two more are under evaluation. See ARM.'s git
Good Luck with whatever you're doing, I hope you learn someday.
My better half made me a delicious taco and while eating I read the comments.
It was not my intent to flame, neither argue with anyone. I will rather get drunk and party till morning. Good year everyone.
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Edvin73 said:
My better half made me a delicious taco and while eating I read the comments.
It was not my intent to flame, neither argue with anyone. I will rather get drunk and party till morning. Good year everyone.
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Off topic but good year to you too,here they don't serve tacos
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hmm, 80% of repos are forked from already good kernels from such devs like gokhanmoral, CM, garwedgess, coolya, etc.
it's like forking Diana kernel then adding a little touch.
Even your "bproj repo" is a clone from huexxx https://github.com/ARMP/bproj-black/blob/master/Makefile#L198 yet you pushed it as initial commit. I understand, maybe you're shy to fork it repo to repo.
Your Makefile on the repo shows:
export KBUILD_BUILDHOST := $(SUBARCH)
#ARCH ?= $(SUBARCH)
ARCH ?= arm
#CROSS_COMPILE ?= $(CONFIG_CROSS_COMPILE:"%"=%)
CROSS_COMPILE ?= /home/huexxx/android/arm-2010q1/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi-
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Lol. He gets owned pretty much doesnt he?
In the Nexus 4 forums he told us that he works for google btw.
realfelix said:
Lol. He gets owned pretty much doesnt he?
In the Nexus 4 forums he told us that he works for google btw.
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if i am, i would be in the newspapers. I'm so young. And go look at the post. FATHER. One more thing, this post is useless as gab himself is more capable to give this community a kernel
Thread closed as per OP request.
Okay guys so iv been up all night after a long shift at work yesterday trying to find a way to get around the wifi issue we currently face on the current build of CM9 here on the forums for our device.
I have set up a channel on irc.freenode.net for our device and the channel can be found at: ##HTCDesireCcm9
If your new to irc simply go to http://webchat.freenode.net give yourself a username and connect, next in the entry box where you can type at the bottom type "/j ##HTCDesireCcm9" without the quotation marks and you will be entered to the channel where we can discuss in real time anything to do with the ins and outs of the desire c handset.
The irc channel is primarily set up to try to find a way to get wifi working on CM9 rom BUT is not strictly just for this, all are welcome to come and share ideas and talk about anything directly related to this device so come and make yourself known, especially if you have a good knowledge in development of any kind regarding android and HTC devices.
All the best and hope to see you all soon.
P.S. i will see if i can get this thread stickied so as not to get it lost in the realms of all the threads here.
se you there
edit: now channel is at ##HTCDesireCcm9 due to unable to create mod statuses and not getting auto op status when i relogged so now the channel has moved to here. come and join us in the fight against closed source code XD
Great work man, hopefully this will get us somewhere.
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Great work man, hopefully this will get us somewhere.
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Yeah thanks russell i just think its best to have an irc chan where all desire c owners dev etc can come and bang heads and get latest info on any updates or what not thread here just needs some momentum and we will be on our way to this getting stickied if we are nice to forum mods
Great idea mehmehmen, good luck mate, we really really need more devs:highfive:
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Great idea mehmehmen, good luck mate, we really really need more devs:highfive:
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I know right currently working on fixing things related to getting aosp roms up and running with all drivers working etc seems to be a total of three people only one of which has recognised developer status here on the forums, if there are other people working the device they are being very quiet in the forums and irc channels such as the one iv made here and also the cyanogen channels. shame really its a pretty good device for its price range but if we have to slog it out with just a handfull of us then so beit.
also check out the development section for a fully working bug free CWM touch recovery freshly cooked up today with a bit of help from some friendly devs in cyanogenmod chan
I'm only sharing to you. All credits is to Bpear/Luster
Info+download:
http://www.gizmoluster.com/2013/12/paranoid-android-4-0-beta-unofficial-luster-builds-kitkat-4-4-2/
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I want those per app dpi features. They're so awesome!
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I'm only sharing to you. All credits is to Bpear/Luster
Info+download:
http://www.gizmoluster.com/2013/12/paranoid-android-4-0-beta-unofficial-luster-builds-kitkat-4-4-2/
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Paranoid android specifically asked that no builds are shared at this early stage and previous threads have been locked. Do you have their permission to share this?
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I want those per app dpi features. They're so awesome!
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Although the pa ui is simple to use, the xposed module "app settings" is very good at delivering per app dpi and tablet ui
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Paranoid android specifically asked that no builds are shared at this early stage and previous threads have been locked. Do you have their permission to share this?
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nor does he need any permission to share. they themselves put it out, it got picked up by that site, and he shared that site. if they do not want anyone to share, then they should not put it out. that is how it works.
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nor does he need any permission to share. they themselves put it out, it got picked up by that site, and he shared that site. if they do not want anyone to share, then they should not put it out. that is how it works.
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That is not how it worked here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2558519
They said you can build it for yourself, but do not share publicly. That's why it suggests to me that permission should be gained. Not only out of courtesy and respect (as is often the case here on XDA - as well it should) but also as they explicitly came here and requested things not be shared.
The fact it is on github does not mean they want it to be shared. Github is a collaboration tool first and foremost. To say they cannot use the collaboration tool within their own team otherwise it's fair game for people disrespecting there wishes is unfair. Sure. they may now want the build to be shared publicly, and if that is the case, perhaps this thread should be locked as a duplicate and the original re-opened, but I haven't seen any official statement here yet that public sharing is now accepted.
I think perhaps we should ask @ApriliaM3 for comment as the moderator locking the last thread at PA's request
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That is not how it worked here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2558519
They said you can build it for yourself, but do not share publicly. That's why it suggests to me that permission should be gained. Not only out of courtesy and respect (as is often the case here on XDA - as well it should) but also as they explicitly came here and requested things not be shared.
The fact it is on github does not mean they want it to be shared. Github is a collaboration tool first and foremost. To say they cannot use the collaboration tool within their own team otherwise it's fair game for people disrespecting there wishes is unfair. Sure. they may now want the build to be shared publicly, and if that is the case, perhaps this thread should be locked as a duplicate and the original re-opened, but I haven't seen any official statement here yet that public sharing is now accepted.
I think perhaps we should ask @ApriliaM3 for comment as the moderator locking the last thread at PA's request
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i didn't know it.. sorry for that.
mod please close this.
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i didn't know it.. sorry for that.
mod please close this.
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Well, lets at least see what is to be said. The staff here may know newer information than I have. I just wanted to ask the question
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That is not how it worked here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2558519
They said you can build it for yourself, but do not share publicly. That's why it suggests to me that permission should be gained. Not only out of courtesy and respect (as is often the case here on XDA - as well it should) but also as they explicitly came here and requested things not be shared.
The fact it is on github does not mean they want it to be shared. Github is a collaboration tool first and foremost. To say they cannot use the collaboration tool within their own team otherwise it's fair game for people disrespecting there wishes is unfair. Sure. they may now want the build to be shared publicly, and if that is the case, perhaps this thread should be locked as a duplicate and the original re-opened, but I haven't seen any official statement here yet that public sharing is now accepted.
I think perhaps we should ask @ApriliaM3 for comment as the moderator locking the last thread at PA's request
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again, they shared it publicly. if they share it publicly, then whoever wants can share it. their permission is not needed. and, on top of that, since they shared it publicly, they also need to provide the kernel source. if not, then they are violating gpl.
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again, they shared it publicly. if they share it publicly, then whoever wants can share it. their permission is not needed. and, on top of that, since they shared it publicly, they also need to provide the kernel source. if not, then they are violating gpl.
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So what you're saying is that the original thread was locked in error. Meaning this thread should be locked and the original re-opened.
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So what you're saying is that the original thread was locked in error. Meaning this thread should be locked and the original re-opened.
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no. they have every right to close an xda thread if they want, it it might never be opened, if they dont want. they have that right. but xda isnt the only public website. they shared it publicly, not in private, on another website. since it was shared publicly, it is public now. and anyone who grabs it has the right to reshare it. dont get me wrong, i do not use PA, nor do i want to try it. but, as a rom that is shared publicly by them, they lose the right to say that no one can share it. while it was not public, in a private testing group, they can say it. but cant say it about a publicly shared rom. this thread isnt opened by them, and shares what they share in public on a different site.
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no. they have every right to close an xda thread if they want, it it might never be opened, if they dont want. they have that right. but xda isnt the only public website. they shared it publicly, not in private, on another website. since it was shared publicly, it is public now. and anyone who grabs it has the right to reshare it. dont get me wrong, i do not use PA, nor do i want to try it. but, as a rom that is shared publicly by them, they lose the right to say that no one can share it. while it was not public, in a private testing group, they can say it. but cant say it about a publicly shared rom.
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Thats just it though, they didnt share it on or to the other website. At least I cannot see anywhere on the site linked in the OP that PA shared a build. Its a quote from a G+ post (and link back) that had no builds then 5 unofficial builds added. So nothing has changed since the last lock. The site in question appears to have done the same as the OP of the last thread which was locked.
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Thats just it though, they didnt share it on or to the other website. At least I cannot see anywhere on the site linked in the OP that PA shared a build. Its a quote from a G+ post (and link back) that had no builds then 5 unofficial builds added. So nothing has changed since the last lock. The site in question appears to have done the same as the OP of the last thread which was locked.
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that is also a possibility. if that site shared it without permission, than these builds are still public, unfortunately. whoever is the spokesperson for pa will have to take care of it. they can also ask a mod to remove it from here, then a mod will decide if its appropriate to remove or leave(most likely they would remove it). but it is up to them to ask to remove it.
All OP has to do is just point to the Google plus community group page and tell us to download the betas through there. I'm sure they allow linking to their community page at least.
https://plus.google.com/+ParanoidAndroidCorner/posts
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All OP has to do is just point to the Google plus community group page and tell us to download the betas through there. I'm sure they allow linking to their community page at least.
https://plus.google.com/+ParanoidAndroidCorner/posts
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So is it just me who cant find any official betas on there?
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So is it just me who cant find any official betas on there?
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I can't either. You know, they had planned to release something last weekend but the host of their gerrit went down so they couldn't. Do you guys really want a release of PA without Hybrid? without PIE? without Halo?. I mean, they'll give it to us anyways but frankly I don't see the point. Why not use one of the 100 other ROMS with the same features in each while you wait? I mean just look at the ROMS out for hammerhead right now, they're all remarkably similar. Granted if you look at that feature list of the "beta" there are a few standout features but other than that why do you guys want a ROM that won't have what makes PA unique? You've waited 1.5+ months you can't wait a little longer? lol.
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Do you guys really want a release of PA without Hybrid? without PIE? without Halo?
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No not at all..
I looked also and didn't see any.
You could make a build yourself and cherry pick those things but don't be surprised if it won't boot or if it does you get lots of bugs.
The stripped PA is only while it's in beta. From what I understand, hybrid still has an issue with DPI right now and they're working on combining halo and pie. Plus the hosting issues with their gerrit. I don't think normal PA builds will be too far behind the betas. At least hopefully.
Just check out their gerrit. A crap load got merged on the 18th now that they're back up and there's some cool stuff up for review too. ParanoidOTA, Knock Knock to sleep, battery light, something about voiceplus. Who knows what will and won't get merged but the PA guys are hard at work. They recently switched up their hosting too so now that that's all taken care of, the ball is finally rolling.
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Oh I have to give this a try! I have been waiting for paranoid.
All the sweet features like halo and hybrid have been broken by kitkat. That's why they haven't released anything official yet.
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All the sweet features like halo and hybrid have been broken by kitkat. That's why they haven't released anything official yet.
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They may have been broken by KitKat I have no clue. But PA themselves said that they have build a brand new clean base for 4.4 and are building off of that. So they are making sure everything works great with the new base then the features will be added. I've been using PA 4.0 since that site posted the beta and I can say its fast and smooth just like stock and the immersive mode is great.
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Before I start saying anything and before anyone starts ranting or fighting or whatever I want to make one thing crispy clear: I don't want, under any circumstances, to fight or argue in any way with other developers, contributors, users, whatsoever nor do I want to claim anything as correct. I am anytime ready to accept it if I am proven wrong for anything. Show me a proof against what I said and I will accept it. I'm not claiming anything to be right what I'm saying, but as long as it is not proven wrong I'm assuming it is right. Of course some statements base on assumptions and guesses, hence there is no reason for ranting about something particular I said that I am not entirely sure of. I just want to get this out because it has been sitting inside of me for a while and this is the only way I can get it out without offending or insulting anyone.
A statement from my side regarding TWRP and ROMs for the OP5:
I have seen many device trees so far, and the "official" TWRP as well and I'm pretty disappointed to see people not wanting to work together. Of course there are exceptions, for example I have been working together with @benschhold and @gtpitch on TWRP as well as on ROMs and it has been a pretty good experience so far. But I have also seen @Dees_Troy releasing his own TWRP. I tried to contact him and whoever is behind TWRP earlier to get a working TWRP up and running and official. No response. At least I haven't seen anything. I am anytime ready to work together and build working stuff, but I'm not ready to see something that is exactly the same as I did (his TWRP literally has the same, if not more, issues than mine, as far as user reports have told us) and releases it as an official product which should have been tested and does not even fix the issues we have so far.
I know mine is unofficial and I have stated nowhere that this would be official but if you check the sources used for my recovery as well as take the user reports into consideration you will notice that none of the issues we currently have on the now latest recovery image, that is version 72, have been fixed in either mine or his recovery. I would have liked to work together with developers to build a stable, fully working custom recovery with as many parts of it totally free and open-sourced for anyone to inspect. Regarding authorship, I'm anytime ready to correct authors in case they are wrong. What I am not ready for is seeing others taking my work and putting it under their own authorship so that nobody will know about what I did and instead honor the non-existent work of others misleadingly causing the community to think I would have stolen the work from others.
As I already said, I am open to any corrections regarding this.
Another aspect is the custom ROM section. While it's all good and fine to see ROMs coming out for the OP5, none of these are actually stable and fully tested. They might have been flashed and booted up and roughly checked for functionality but not actually tested for quality (not claiming anything here). I really can see a race between ROMs, maybe even a war, everyone perhaps even stealing the work of each other and claiming to be first but of course saying it's super highly experimental and whatsoever.
Why is this happening? I know I have very low reputation for saying anything in this matter, even though I am lead developer and co-founder of a ROM. I don't want to claim that anyone stole my work, and I don't want to be showing examples as they might not even be right because some things can really be done by anyone without seeing what others did. But still, everyone is racing against each other, except for a few ROMs, and trying to say hey yo we brought this rom out for jellyburger super fast and we are the best... blablabla, whatsoever, make sure to decrypt, make sure not to do this not to do that, note this doesn't work.... I guess y'all get the point.
Why do people work against each other and not together? Just trying to be the best, the first, whatsoever? I mean it's cool when you are first and best but it's not cool pretending to be so and in reality just having taken a WIP tree from whatever github profile you just went on and saying your ROM is the first, while in reality you actually don't have any idea about what you are doing. Guys, really.... I appreciate when people do in fact help bringing up custom roms for the OP5, I admit that I also take advantage of that for building my own rom, but I also try to improve it, contribute to it, to make sure others have access to my work and using it without changing authorship. Of course many developers e. g. copy whole directories into their device tree instead of getting the whole commit history in, and, to some extent, that is more or less acceptable, because there is no really convenient way of doing so, but at least, when picking individual commits, do keep authorship. Thanks for your understanding and I hope this community does not become corrupted.
I'm open for a peaceful discussion in this thread, let's get it started!
Cheeseburger developers and testers who can provide logs shall join https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAAEN_kkG6_WJe8IlG2Q
nadejo said:
Cheeseburger developers and testers who can provide logs shall join https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAAEN_kkG6_WJe8IlG2Q
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Is not a bad beginning, but there actually is a dev group, so in case anyone wants to work together with each other, let me know. (Developers only)
Sad but true how many ROMs for the op5 have there source in the op?
Surely it's better for all of us to work collectively towards building a better base
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a g bell said:
Sad but true how many ROMs for the op5 have there source in the op?
Surely it's better for all of us to work collectively towards building a better base
Sent from my ONEPLUS A5000 using XDA-Developers Legacy app
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Trees don't have to be equal but everyone should share contributions and help each other.
xdvs23 said:
Trees don't have to be equal but everyone should share contributions and help each other.
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The general issue here is we all work opensource even if they are official teamwin they could just copycated your changes(im not saying this just assuming), dont want to insult anyone here but thats how it goes opensource projects are open and you cant change this, on the other hand they could actually start working on it legitely even if your recorvery is pretty stable(i would say 99%) they started it before but were able to get it to same point but later. As for now we need more developers in kernel section but i see you doing a good job keep it up my dude. :good:
MasterDomino said:
The general issue here is we all work opensource even if they are official teamwin they could just copycated your changes(im not saying this just assuming), dont want to insult anyone here but thats how it goes opensource projects are open and you cant change this, on the other hand they could actually start working on it legitely even if your recorvery is pretty stable(i would say 99%) they started it before but were able to get it to same point but later. As for now we need more developers in kernel section but i see you doing a good job keep it up my dude. :good:
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The point is that it seems to be that they don't even care about their users. Don't quote me on that, as it might be wrong, but it seems to be that they simply just want to look down on other developers and be the big guys.
While I try to provide good support as much as possible, and release all my changes mostly individually, he simply gave it out once and every now and then might eventually look at the last 5 posts and maybe answer. I mean... I know he probably has alot of work to do but still. Released something officially without even checking for bugs. They say they make sure they provide quality but I can't see the quality there.
And for the other thing you mentioned... Most of the things they have in their tree really seem to be something that has been around for a longer time, but not actually made by themselves and just committed recently:
I don't really know why everyone tells to.keep authorship and maintaining a commit history and what not but end up simply copy and pasting the whole tree and commit that at once. Whatever. If this doesn't stop soon, I will start thinking about whether it is really worth doing this because from my point of view this is just looking down on me and releasing something that does not even work quite as well just to keep me away. I know I might be wrong anytime but this is what it feels like.
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The point is that it seems to be that they don't even care about their users. Don't quote me on that, as it might be wrong, but it seems to be that they simply just want to look down on other developers and be the big guys.
While I try to provide good support as much as possible, and release all my changes mostly individually, he simply gave it out once and every now and then might eventually look at the last 5 posts and maybe answer. I mean... I know he probably has alot of work to do but still. Released something officially without even checking for bugs. They say they make sure they provide quality but I can't see the quality there.
And for the other thing you mentioned... Most of the things they have in their tree really seem to be something that has been around for a longer time, but not actually made by themselves and just committed recently:
I don't really know why everyone tells to.keep authorship and maintaining a commit history and what not but end up simply copy and pasting the whole tree and commit that at once. Whatever. If this doesn't stop soon, I will start thinking about whether it is really worth doing this because from my point of view this is just looking down on me and releasing something that does not even work quite as well just to keep me away. I know I might be wrong anytime but this is what it feels like.
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The next thing here is we shouldn't really assume anything cuz it might be making us look stupid, i would generally say to not care about what they do and i can say that most phones i had, used twrp from users there was no official ones and even if there was it wasn't functioning like other.
Right now how i see it is they opened a thread and called it official(i don't remember if they called it stable) and most users like official stuff so this generally looks funny from your pov, from mine too as i am self called open source developer and i know general ideas behind being open.
The only issue here i can see is that he doesn't respond to you soo it looks bad i really wouldn't assume anything cuz it can piss off a few ppl that's what i want to generally tell you to kindof watch out on the community around this because it already looks weird. If you want you can pm me with your telegram nickname and ill add you to a group where we work on a kernel fixing a small gelatinous issue some(me included) have. Would be for best if he answered to your pms soo you can have a talk and for now it looks like "stolen" work but at the same time we shouldn't assume stuff, for now i don't really know what to say on this whole matter it really looks quite weird and i don't like it too.
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The next thing here is we shouldn't really assume anything cuz it might be making us look stupid, i would generally say to not care about what they do and i can say that most phones i had, used twrp from users there was no official ones and even if there was it wasn't functioning like other.
Right now how i see it is they opened a thread and called it official(i don't remember if they called it stable) and most users like official stuff so this generally looks funny from your pov, from mine too as i am self called open source developer and i know general ideas behind being open.
The only issue here i can see is that he doesn't respond to you soo it looks bad i really wouldn't assume anything cuz it can piss off a few ppl that's what i want to generally tell you to kindof watch out on the community around this because it already looks weird. If you want you can pm me with your telegram nickname and ill add you to a group where we work on a kernel fixing a small gelatinous issue some(me included) have. Would be for best if he answered to your pms soo you can have a talk and for now it looks like "stolen" work but at the same time we shouldn't assume stuff, for now i don't really know what to say on this whole matter it really looks quite weird and i don't like it too.
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Yeah that"s what I thought too but on the other hand, if you don't say anything, then nothing will change. Perhaps it won't change even after saying, but often it does.
You can add me to the telegram group if you want to, pm me the group link and I'll join but I can't promise to constantly be active there throughout the day.
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Yeah that"s what I thought too but on the other hand, if you don't say anything, then nothing will change. Perhaps it won't change even after saying, but often it does.
You can add me to the telegram group if you want to, pm me the group link and I'll join but I can't promise to constantly be active there throughout the day.
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tru dat.