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For everyone that havent noticed yet, theres a new app on the market that allows ZOOM on the G1 Camera, now we are only missing a FLASH so we can get great quality pics on night.
What is the name of the app?
BSDADON said:
What is the name of the app?
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CamaraZoom
That's the easy way to find it via search on the market... and cost .99 euro?
You do know that this is digital zoom and not optical zoom, right? You're basically getting a cropped picture. You may as well just take the picture click the zoom button on your viewer...
What's the point of digital zoom that makes the crappy pictures indistinguishable?
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What's the point of digital zoom that makes the crappy pictures indistinguishable?
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Nothing.. they're just smaller crappy pictures.
Now, if you really want a zoom, get one of these babies. I got it on e-bay for $13 including shipping and it's the real deal. Plus, you look like a total ubercooldork when you pull it out.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=508175
Ill be happier when they come out with the S60 ability to do "Night Mode" which gave me GREAT pictures in nighttime and so without the flash.
At max zoom you are getting the equivalent of a .5MP photo which means you have an image that is 2048x1526 pixels large and only have 500,000 pixels to fill it. Add to that the fact that the autofocus cant figure out what to do to obtain a decent image and you end up with pictures that are more grainy than the Sahara Desert. This is why I havent added it to snapPhoto. If you want crappy pictures then simply take the image and zoom it with some other app.
Now Flash. You do realise that flash is a hardware thing right? And you do realise that you cant code hardware into something that doesnt have it. I would have thought that was a basic concept but here we are 9 months after launch and people still cant figure that out.
As far as nightmode - on snapphoto it does work, but it cant make light where there is none so if you expect it to make a shot taken in very dark areas to suddenly be like a shot taken in full daylight - think again. All nightmode does is leave the shutter open longer in an attempt to get more light exposure. As a result of this any movement will lead to much blurrier pics.
If you want an example of what can be achieved by someone who takes a little time to play with the settings in my app check out .
http://thecrayonbox.org/files/nightbeach.jpg
Taken with snapphotopro.
Nice with snapphoto. I may try that for the G1. However the Nokia S60 phones have a great night mode. Ive taken alot of pictures with low light and it performed better then my optical digital camera. This was with a Nokia 3650 which isnt even a MP phone (My 2 MP camera was dark photos only)
This was taken at a amusement park on top of the "Eifel Tower" at the twilight night time.
http://www.darkmystics.com/kd/Image(42).jpg
I did a comparison that night between the 2 modes.
http://www.darkmystics.com/kd/Image(43).jpg
Yea it added a green tint, but for when I travel out now, I use my phone all the time. =) (Granted did upgraded to a higher caliber S60 MP camera phone lol)
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Nothing.. they're just smaller crappy pictures.
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i LOLed.
This is a seriously cool camera.
I know its digital zoom but really helps for composition and saves the hassle of cropping later on (say if I take 10 zoomed pictures).
I love Snap Photo too, but Camera ZOOM is the new camera for me - seems a lot of people like it - already top 25 app!
Customisable skins, animations, easy to use and fast ... would definitely recommend.
Can anyone post some images @ 13mp best quality running down to 9mp best quality. Are there custom apps that provide raw image access? Custom Image output/ compression? I've found some shots on google but the jpg compression kind of kills the quality. Want to see the best quality image that can be taken with the phone.
Check out the pics thread in General:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1911326
Also, try to search the forum before starting new threads.
Quality
The jpg quality is ok in some and really bad in others. Is there an app that can save an uncompressed jpg or better image format?
I had the feeling that the jpgs are better with this one but had no time to test it really :
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.flavionet.android.camera.pro
Free test version : https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.flavionet.android.camera.lite
Testing.
OK Cheers I'll give it a go this weekend when I goto the phone shop and see if I can compare. If that is all I need to get quality shots thats great!
Cybershot mod
Looks like someone has answered my prayers. This is a little like a similar mod that was done for the Nokia n8.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1966411
so, when i got the galaxy camera 2 part of my reason, a big part, was to take better pics than my old point and shoot. while pics are a bit better its pretty clear i am no wiz at taking good looking photos. in fact i would say im pretty useless. i pretty much have the thing set to "macro" and thats it. anytime i have tried to make use of the manual controls i end up producing utter crap.
so has anyone found a guide or soemthing that would help me to better make use of the camera and teach me how to make it take the photos i want to.
To make use of manual mode you need to understand how the camera handles light. A good basic guide is the book Understanding Exposure by Bryan Peterson. Whenever someone is interested in going beyond the cameras automatic setting, this is the book I suggest.
...hmmm, judging by the plea for help this seems more of a request towards artistic, rather than technical, guidance.
See, personally I bought a refurbed SGC2 to avoid all the manual settings and have the luxury of having a glorified Android tablet with a 16+MP point-n'-shooter. If I wanted to be more technically proficient a photobug, I would've shelled out more for an SLR, lenses, bags, stands, lighting gear, a high-end PC / Mac workstation, Photoshop, etc., Ugh!
I think you should Google, Youtube, or Khan Academy something on good shot composition and techniques, rather than tinkering with settings.
"Rule of thirds" is a great start and was a creative credo in my cinematography class in video production. I still suck at lighting, but I've taken that rule of thumb almost to an unconscious level.
Now I'm hoping your SGC2 is the one with Android on it because I bought it specifically for use with the Vignette photo app. (There's a free demo in Google Play.)
Run what you consider "crap" through this, mess with some presets and tinker around with some tweaks, add frames, and you'll look like an absolute genius.
I swear by this app and have yet to use the built in camera.
(I'm sure I'm limiting myself with the camera's capabilities, but I'm stubborn that way.)
The beauty of digital (as opposed to film) photography is that you can practically shoot forever within storage and power consumption limits.
Go nuts and experiment! Find your artistic niche!
Who knows, you just might actually step up to that SLR and go pro!
Happy shooting!
(I adore this camera, BTW and I'm still wondering if there's any reason for me to root it.
I honestly haven't found one, yet. I use it more as a camera, rather than a tablet.
We'll see.)
P.S., ...by the way, my avatar was shot on Vignette on my old-ass, rooted & ROM-ed, T-Mobile LG G2X with the Vignette app. I took the photo in it, square framed (with rounded corners) it, used the Ilford (B&W) preset, clicked the 'underexposed' customize, and voila! Otherwise, it would've been an average, run-of-the-mill photo of my GF and the cat.
Hello! Ive been using a Huawei Honor 5x for about a year now >.< after breaking my m8 and z3... BUT! I had a couple questions, looking around i found a lot of people talking about how good the "Auto" mode was on the phone >.> and had some questions.
Has anyone here tried playing with the Raw files on the OP3? Or tried doing any POST work to any of their photos to clean them up//make them look any better? I was going through comparisons between this, the Pixel, and the s7 (which id never buy in america because there are no ROMS and the phone is slow as nonsense) AND looking at those photos from the perspective of someone who owned an Honor 5x for so long...
The three are really not significantly different in any way that i could tell. Sure the other two expose better in low light...but then, how much room do we have to play with in post with that? lol cause if we can force ISO a couple stops lower and still pull that detail from POST work im pretty sure POST photos will look much, much better than the auto photos on any of the other phones.
Not to mention, because they are very only lightly different here... we have the fastest phone, and if the photos are correctable, that means that we could have at least some awesome POST work pictures, and the fastest phone o.o there really wouldnt need to be an upgrade.
So i was curious, has anyone played with the raw files to see what they could really get out of the OP3's camera or have most of you here only played with auto modes or manual modes saving to jpeg without editing. And if so, whats your experience like!
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o.o so i been looking at it >.> and i think its pretty coo, but working on various settings and what can be done, ALSO, wanna be able to take more pictures in better lighting. BUT
IMG 1 and 4 were raw files, and actually, its raw output is pretty exciting
I switched from the S7 (930F), because I use only the photo part of the camera and after trying out the OP3 (not the T), i realized, that the higher MP count lets me crop more and details were better. Sure the S7 was a better all-rounder, but I had it for a year and also got tired of it
I am having the 3T for 2 weeks now and the results are in line with what I was expecting.
I did not have time yet to make a full test drive (planning it this weekend), but here are some RAWs I edited in-phone or in PS(+ Nik Plugins from Google).
The noise is obvious in some shots after heavy editing id's say more than on the S7 results, so I am currently trying some DFINE2 profiles to reduce it (and planning to try out Topaz Denoise as well).
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I switched from the S7 (930F), because I use only the photo part of the camera and after trying out the OP3 (not the T), i realized, that the higher MP count lets me crop more and details were better. Sure the S7 was a better all-rounder, but I had it for a year and also got tired of it
I am having the 3T for 2 weeks now and the results are in line with what I was expecting.
I did not have time yet to make a full test drive (planning it this weekend), but here are some RAWs I edited in-phone or in PS(+ Nik Plugins from Google).
The noise is obvious in some shots after heavy editing id's say more than on the S7 results, so I am currently trying some DFINE2 profiles to reduce it (and planning to try out Topaz Denoise as well).
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Awesome! o.o use photoshop more often eh? Im a big fan of lightroom for editing as its noise removal is kinda nuts in a lot of ways, i think i use topaz detail?...
ah no, i use fustion express. Pretty good tho if i ever need to dive out of lightroom for a minute. Yeah you know if i can run a couple tests in lightroom i think ill be able to remove that noise o.o A little fine tuning and im sure it will get down.
Do you like photoshop for raw edits? When i plugged in my T5 RAW files to photoshop >.> it was giving kinda limited options for editing those files.
those are some awesome shots though
davebugyi said:
I switched from the S7 (930F), because I use only the photo part of the camera and after trying out the OP3 (not the T), i realized, that the higher MP count lets me crop more and details were better. Sure the S7 was a better all-rounder, but I had it for a year and also got tired of it
I am having the 3T for 2 weeks now and the results are in line with what I was expecting.
I did not have time yet to make a full test drive (planning it this weekend), but here are some RAWs I edited in-phone or in PS(+ Nik Plugins from Google).
The noise is obvious in some shots after heavy editing id's say more than on the S7 results, so I am currently trying some DFINE2 profiles to reduce it (and planning to try out Topaz Denoise as well).
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o.o for example here is the noise removed from that shot, though the initial jpg compression was a little heavy haha, still took the noise out of the clouds.
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Awesome! o.o use photoshop more often eh? Im a big fan of lightroom for editing as its noise removal is kinda nuts in a lot of ways, i think i use topaz detail?...
ah no, i use fustion express. Pretty good tho if i ever need to dive out of lightroom for a minute. Yeah you know if i can run a couple tests in lightroom i think ill be able to remove that noise o.o A little fine tuning and im sure it will get down.
Do you like photoshop for raw edits? When i plugged in my T5 RAW files to photoshop >.> it was giving kinda limited options for editing those files.
those are some awesome shots though
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I use PS, because I need an all-in-one tools for my photos. Also I use a DSLR and for some sceneraios I need stacking. Well, it is the most complex app I'd say, but it does everything.
Camera RAW 9.4 is preety good for RAW edits for me
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I use PS, because I need an all-in-one tools for my photos. Also I use a DSLR and for some sceneraios I need stacking. Well, it is the most complex app I'd say, but it does everything.
Camera RAW 9.4 is preety good for RAW edits for me
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I use photoshop on occasion but not really for anything more extensive than removing things from shots though ive thought about it o.o maybe ill give it another look i have it installed alongside lightroom, just never really found much use for it photography wise. It looks pretty good for edits those are some great pictures!
100% Original no edits from view from the sand
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Just a quick question to current 3T owners, how has the camera fared at capturing moving subjects? Is it as horrendous as some people make it out to be?
What kind of file sizes are you folks seeing with this camera in the different megapixel modes? Thinking about picking one up but wondering how much compression there is. Currently on a 6t which is terrible.
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What kind of file sizes are you folks seeing with this camera in the different megapixel modes? Thinking about picking one up but wondering how much compression there is. Currently on a 6t which is terrible.
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Better shoot raw if you want full control, 10MP is enough for social medias and 6x4 inc print. Otherwise, shoot at 40MP
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Better shoot raw if you want full control, 10MP is enough for social medias and 6x4 inc print. Otherwise, shoot at 40MP
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Yeah im just wondering what size the pics come out as in stock form in 40 and 10 mp?
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Yeah im just wondering what size the pics come out as in stock form in 40 and 10 mp?
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Depends on the complexity of the scene, I have seen the 10MP range from under 1MB > over 8MB on my standard P30
Just shot 10MP vs 40MP in the house to test, 10MP was 1.76MB and 40MP was 5.19MB
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Depends on the complexity of the scene, I have seen the 10MP range from under 1MB > over 8MB on my standard P30
Just shot 10MP vs 40MP in the house to test, 10MP was 1.76MB and 40MP was 5.19MB
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Thats not what I was hoping for.
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Thats not what I was hoping for.
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What were you hoping for?
P30Pro compared to P20Pro
I've just upgraded from the P20Pro to the P30Pro and at the same settings the P30Pro is giving me images with less than half the file size of the earlier model. I'm really surprised by this...is there more compression being added, or do you think that the camera might be faulty? Thanks in advance for your thoughts on this.
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I've just upgraded from the P20Pro to the P30Pro and at the same settings the P30Pro is giving me images with less than half the file size of the earlier model. I'm really surprised by this...is there more compression being added, or do you think that the camera might be faulty? Thanks in advance for your thoughts on this.
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There's way too much compression.
Try zooming in on a photo that wasn't taken as a raw shot. It's horrendous!
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There's way too much compression.
Try zooming in on a photo that wasn't taken as a raw shot. It's horrendous!
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If you want better jpeg IQ, shoot in RAW in Pro mode and you'll get jpegs directly from the RAW file, bypassing all the over-processing that you get in auto mode, this is the only reason I am so committed to Huawei, they are the only OEM that does this, all other brands just process the jpeg as per normal auto mode when you shoot in Pro mode with RAW.
With Huawei the jpeg you get from Pro mode with RAW enabled comes directly from the RAW file and is way more natural etc. see crop below, top crop is from auto mode, bottom crop is from the jpeg from RAW in Pro mode, massive difference.
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If you want better jpeg IQ, shoot in RAW in Pro mode and you'll get jpegs directly from the RAW file, bypassing all the over-processing that you get in auto mode, this is the only reason I am so committed to Huawei, they are the only OEM that does this, all other brands just process the jpeg as per normal auto mode when you shoot in Pro mode with RAW.
With Huawei the jpeg you get from Pro mode with RAW enabled comes directly from the RAW file and is way more natural etc. see crop below, top crop is from auto mode, bottom crop is from the jpeg from RAW in Pro mode, massive difference.
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Can't say I agree with any of that.
RAW from my P30 pro is vastly inferior to the Raw shots from my Poco F1 and my old OP5 .
Jpegs in pro mode are no different in size or structure to those taken in Auto. They both have the same libjpeg applied to them.
There's an excessive amount of compression applied and artificial noise reduction, post sharpening.
a 40mp shot should not be coming out at 6mb .
Raw come out under exposed in most situations and require excessive amounts of noise reduction in anything other than bright sunlight.
*IF* we get camera api2 then it might be more usable as it will allow a bit better fine control, but as it stands the entire lens matrix code appears to be broken.
And in case you were wondering, yes I do have a lot of experience of camera driver code, at both kernel and userspace level. Unfortunately with huawei closed approach I can't even see what they are doing for definite. I do know that this will be my last device from them though as I don't like the results of the camera or the closed off approach.
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Can't say I agree with any of that.
RAW from my P30 pro is vastly inferior to the Raw shots from my Poco F1 and my old OP5 .
Jpegs in pro mode are no different in size or structure to those taken in Auto. They both have the same libjpeg applied to them.
There's an excessive amount of compression applied and artificial noise reduction, post sharpening.
a 40mp shot should not be coming out at 6mb .
Raw come out under exposed in most situations and require excessive amounts of noise reduction in anything other than bright sunlight.
*IF* we get camera api2 then it might be more usable as it will allow a bit better fine control, but as it stands the entire lens matrix code appears to be broken.
And in case you were wondering, yes I do have a lot of experience of camera driver code, at both kernel and userspace level. Unfortunately with huawei closed approach I can't even see what they are doing for definite. I do know that this will be my last device from them though as I don't like the results of the camera or the closed off approach.
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dont you see the difference in the crops?? compression is similar yes but the processing is way different, and I'm not talking of the RAW files but the jpeg that comes directly from the RAW file, which is very different to the jpeg in auto mode. See another crop below taken now in my office, left side from jpeg (auto mode), right side jpeg (from RAW in Pro mode) there is a big difference in processing, the libjpeg does not get used in taking the jpeg directly from RAW.
My Samsung Note 9 RAWs are far worse, and my iPhone Xs are also nothing special, for me the Huawei's are no worse than anything out there the fact that I can get a jpeg from the RAW data and just tweak it (but have that natural unprocessed look) is by far more useful to me. If you want to process all your own RAWs then things may be slightly different, but I see no big differences in the RAW files across OEMs, but this ability of Huawei phones to give you a jpeg directly from the RAW file automatically is a big plus for me.
Have a look at amir's dng processor for better image manipulation from raw
https://t.me/appforks
Bear in mind he's constantly tweaking how it works so there's a lot of versions on there too play with.
There's no such thing as a jpeg direct from raw.
It will always be processed.
And no I don't see any difference when zoned between the Pro mode jpeg and the normal.
Would any of you guys buy a camera with a built-in phone then complain its no good because the phone wasn't up to your expectations?
If I was as consumed by top quality photography as you guys seem to be I'd buy a dedicated camera that had the specs I most wanted.
FWIW I'm more than pleased with the results of the photos that I take. And the phones not too bad either ?
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Would any of you guys buy a camera with a built-in phone then complain its no good because the phone wasn't up to your expectations?
If I was as consumed by top quality photography as you guys seem to be I'd buy a dedicated camera that had the specs I most wanted.
FWIW I'm more than pleased with the results of the photos that I take. And the phones not too bad either ?
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How very lovely for you.
My daughter was over the moon with her toy camera for years. Everyone else realised it was about as effective as rubbing vaseline in your eyes them looking at a Jackson Pollock to try to replicate a Constable haywain.
When she ended up with a decent camera she realised just had bad the old one had been. She was quite miffed.
If you buy a phone that's supposedly one of the best available and sold as coming with one of the highest rated camera systems.
Then that camera system turns out to get worse after a software update, I think you're fairly entitled to be a wee tad disgruntled and should expect more.
Personally I don't want to carry another camera with me.
The phone is there and available for producing photos when I need them quickly and immediately.
It's why I brought it.
By your logic, if I want to know where I am I should buy a standalone GPS, f*@k knows how I'd carry a typewriter around all day if I ever need to type a message out!
Ooh best not forget the pigeon as well.
Nope all in one devices that do as they are advertised to do. That's the future- oh no hang on that's supposed to be now-
Ideally the software in the phone software shouldn't be preventing the hardware from producing decent results.
But this is.
I offered to swap my p30 Pro for my old Poco f1 that my son now uses. He declined after testing it by taking some photos, he likes his f1.
The phone is great, the camera software is appalling.
Lol
RAW is ok, but requires a lot of tweaking and filespace.
The major problem is that when I take pictures, getting a 40 megapixel jpeg file which has too much compressing losing all fine details and causing 'blocks', typical jpeg compression artefacts.