Hey all,
I am putting a HTPC together that will primarily be used with XBMC, but also be used to browse the internet and download films via lovefilm.com. Here is what I am considering...
AMD Llano A8-3800
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-a8-3800.html
Gigabyte Motherboard - AMD A75, Socket FM1, DDR3 (GA-A75M-UD2H)
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-358-GI&groupid=701&catid=1903&subcat=2058
Corsair Vengeance 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C8 1600MHz Dual Channel
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-298-CS&groupid=701&catid=8&subcat=1517
Western Digital Caviar Black 2TB SATA 6Gb/s 64MB
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-368-WD&groupid=701&catid=14&subcat=1953
OCZ ModXStream Pro 500w Silent
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-037-OC&tool=3
Lian Li Case (PC-C37B)
http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_1194.html
For these simple tasks I am under the impression Llano will suffice. Should I be worried about the lack of a discrete GPU?
Also this will cost about £500 which is kind of pricey for a HTPC. Has anyone got any suggestions to reduce the price of the build?
Thanks for any feedback?
PSU and RAM is a bit overkill for a HTPC. Also, run LINUX if you wanna keep it low-powered. From what I hear, Llano has a great GPU but sucky CPU. It should suffice as a HTPC processor. I'd go for a lower end PSU and about 1GB RAM if Linux, 2GB if Windows.
Thanks for the good advice about the PSU and RAM.
I have heard that the LLano CPU is a little weak on other sites too. I was considering instead an Athlon II with dedicated graphics. It will cost a similar amount as this system.
I can even get the AsRock vision 3D for the same price...
http://www.asrock.com/microsite/Vision3D/index.asp?c=Main
There are just too many options...
edcoppen said:
Thanks for the good advice about the PSU and RAM.
I have heard that the LLano CPU is a little weak on other sites too. I was considering instead an Athlon II with dedicated graphics. It will cost a similar amount as this system.
I can even get the AsRock vision 3D for the same price...
http://www.asrock.com/microsite/Vision3D/index.asp?c=Main
There are just too many options...
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3D is overrated. I'm assuming that you:
1. Have a 3D HDTV.
2. Have the 3D glasses
3. Have a desire for headaches.
Also, a lot will depend on usage pattern/behaviour. If you are only using it for some browsing (assuming social networks, youtubes, reading forums like XDA, some degree of flash playing), the Llano should be more than sufficient. It will also serve well in a light gaming mode (we're talking COD:MW2 probably). And if you're running Linux, I'd say that bumping to 2GB will make it a behemoth when it comes to webapps.
That said and done, what I suggested (Linux build and bumping it to 2GB) will be more than sufficient for watching movies and some light browsing with webapps. The Llano is not good as a CPU, but it is a real kicker when it comes to making a no fuss dedicated system (although it sucks when it comes to making a good gaming PC). I believe that many sites actually view it as a high potential processor for HTPCs. Just remember to properly cool your rig (silent cooling FTW) when building your HTPC (my brother's sucked because he used a 9800GT).
So... building your own (if you have the expertise or can seduce/befriend someone with the expertise) will definitely yield savings, benefits and earn an essential geek badge.
Linux is out the question as my Dad (who will be using the HTPC) has used Windows all his life and will not learn another OS.
I get your point about the 3D and I have no intentions of using it for now... but it will be there for the future
I believe that both a LLano based system and the ASRock Vision 3D will fit the needs of a HTPC. As they cost a similar price and I am comfortable building my own system I have both options open to me.
I guess what it comes down to is which system is better... Llano with A75 chipset or i3 with HM55 chipset? Any opinions???
edcoppen said:
Linux is out the question as my Dad (who will be using the HTPC) has used Windows all his life and will not learn another OS.
I get your point about the 3D and I have no intentions of using it for now... but it will be there for the future
I believe that both a LLano based system and the ASRock Vision 3D will fit the needs of a HTPC. As they cost a similar price and I am comfortable building my own system I have both options open to me.
I guess what it comes down to is which system is better... Llano with A75 chipset or i3 with HM55 chipset? Any opinions???
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Llano.
It has similar processing powers to an i3, but trumps even an i7 when it comes to GPU power. As for 3D, when the glassless 3DTVs come out, the specs will be different. I get most of my home movies off the internet, and from what I understand, a Blu-Ray disc has about 20+GB on average on it, so go figure.
Thank you for the good advice. I am nearly ready to make my purchase. I have decided to go for a custom Llano based system pretty similar to the one outlined in the OP. I will follow the advice though to downgrade the PSU and ram. Just a few more questions pls...
I was hoping to avoid using a dedicated GPU but I just realised i'm not sure if the motherboard supports lossless bitstreaming. I have looked but couldnt find out. Here's the motherboard I have in mind...
http://uk.asus.com/Motherboards/AMD_Socket_FM1/F1A75M/#specifications/#specifications
If this board doesn't support it I will probably get this GPU but I want to avoid it if possible...
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-263-SP
Thanks again for the help so far!
This situation just got a whole load more confusing
It turns out that the only way to get lossless bitstreaming with a Llano-based system is to use a dedicated GPU. This kind of defies the whole point of going down the Llano route as its integrated graphics was one of it's key benefits. Seeing as everyone says the CPU performance of Llano system is underwhelming I am seriously reconsidering the whole build.
Instead I could base the build around the H55 chipset as this does support lossless bitstreaming. I could then use the superior CPU performance of an i3, but would still require dedicated graphics to escape crappy Intel HD2000.
Bearing in mind that bitstreaming is an essential part of the build what would you do?
Edit: the H55 path really limits things like SATA 6gb/s and USB 3.0
edcoppen said:
This situation just got a whole load more confusing
It turns out that the only way to get lossless bitstreaming with a Llano-based system is to use a dedicated GPU. This kind of defies the whole point of going down the Llano route as its integrated graphics was one of it's key benefits. Seeing as everyone says the CPU performance of Llano system is underwhelming I am seriously reconsidering the whole build.
Instead I could base the build around the H55 chipset as this does support lossless bitstreaming. I could then use the superior CPU performance of an i3, but would still require dedicated graphics to escape crappy Intel HD2000.
Bearing in mind that bitstreaming is an essential part of the build what would you do?
Edit: the H55 path really limits things like SATA 6gb/s and USB 3.0
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Hmmm... I'll need to do a little homework first... I'll get back to you regarding the lossless streams
edcoppen said:
This situation just got a whole load more confusing
It turns out that the only way to get lossless bitstreaming with a Llano-based system is to use a dedicated GPU. This kind of defies the whole point of going down the Llano route as its integrated graphics was one of it's key benefits. Seeing as everyone says the CPU performance of Llano system is underwhelming I am seriously reconsidering the whole build.
Instead I could base the build around the H55 chipset as this does support lossless bitstreaming. I could then use the superior CPU performance of an i3, but would still require dedicated graphics to escape crappy Intel HD2000.
Bearing in mind that bitstreaming is an essential part of the build what would you do?
Edit: the H55 path really limits things like SATA 6gb/s and USB 3.0
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Seems to me that using an AMD Phenom/Athlon with a dedicated GPU will be slightly cheaper., although the whole rig will never fit in that casing...
I have decided to rule out the Llano system due to the complications with lossless audio. This now leaves me with an i3 system or Athlon like you suggested.
For an Athlon system I saw these parts:
AMD Athlon II X2 Dual Core 250 3.00GHz
Asus M4A88TD-M EVO/USB3 AMD 880G (Socket AM3)
These are cheaper than an i3 system for sure... as far as performance goes I am confident both the Athlon and i3 route is enough for a HTPC. I wonder about how their power consumption compares though?
edcoppen said:
I have decided to rule out the Llano system due to the complications with lossless audio. This now leaves me with an i3 system or Athlon like you suggested.
For an Athlon system I saw these parts:
AMD Athlon II X2 Dual Core 250 3.00GHz
Asus M4A88TD-M EVO/USB3 AMD 880G (Socket AM3)
These are cheaper than an i3 system for sure... as far as performance goes I am confident both the Athlon and i3 route is enough for a HTPC. I wonder about how their power consumption compares though?
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AMD usually has a lower power profile than Intel, although if you underpowered your PC the processor will have to work REALLY hard to keep up... depends a lot.
Currently, an AMD-AMD setup for CPU and GPU combo is more efficient than an Intel-NVidia setup, although for the mid-range PCs, it might be different. A key component of power draw and power efficiency is actually your PSU. Most of the time, the PC will be on idle/low usage. Having an 80+ rated Gold or Platinum goes a loooooooong way towards saving power.
In terms of performance, the i3 does not have much benefit over AMD, because the good techs are limited to the i5s and i7s. AMD only differentiates the core count and superficial unlocks.
DISCLAIMER: A little late on this, but: I AM A HUGE AMD FAN. Not that I blow, but I really like AMD, and have been using AMD rigs for as long as I can remember.
Well I think I have come to a decision... again. Almost every component is different now. Here's my new selection of components:
Intel Core i3-2100T 2.5Ghz
MSI H67MA-E35 Intel H67
OCZ Platinum 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-10666
Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 6670 1024MB
Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB
SilverStone Grandia GD04
OCZ StealthXStream2 400w Silent
I can get all of these for a round £500. Any last minute feedback from anyone before I buy it all would be much appreciated.
One thing that I didn't clarify with you. The service is movie streaming or downloading? Coz 1TB is mighty little for heavy downloading (trust me).
Although, from your setup, the parts look mighty fine to me. Just upgrade the CPU and GPU down the road and you'll have a mainstream gaming rig
Again overpriced......15k-17k should be a good price for this....
Lava Xolo X900 does not come with a dual or quad core processor, the single core 1.6GHz Atom Z2460 processor inside this device packs some serious juice. In other features, Lava Xolo comes with a 4.03 inch display with Android 2.3, 1GB of RAM, 8MP rear camera with flash, 1.3 MP front camera and 16GB of internal memory.
Main Article here:
http://androidos.in/2012/04/lava-and-intel-launch-xolo-x900-in-india-for-inr-22000/
what lava?! i thought it was a no name company.....
whyzee said:
what lava?! i thought it was a no name company.....
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what do you mean bro, lava is an Indian company, who brought some decent handset in Indian market, recently they entered in android phone and I think this is there 2nd phone followed by S12 in which they have used SPB shell as launcher.
Now this is second phone, hope they will match competition ..... with this proposed price, they will get through out of race .....
Infact Lava is the first company to release a Intel processor based device worldwide. ZTE is next in line to release more devices....
I am sure the ZTE branded devices will be used by many OEMS like Spice to bring the phones to India...
vivekb said:
what do you mean bro, lava is an Indian company, who brought some decent handset in Indian market, recently they entered in android phone and I think this is there 2nd phone followed by S12 in which they have used SPB shell as launcher.
Now this is second phone, hope they will match competition ..... with this proposed price, they will get through out of race .....
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what I meant was they aren't not as popular as some others out there take micromax for instance - they're better received and make decent handsets.
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INTRO -
Hi all.I made this guide to help people to buy good device.As you all have experience of a worst device,a device which doesn't even run Decent app's or games and from now onwards lets atleast make sure that we buy a Good device
We usually GOOGLE about some good device's out there where we follow what actually the Website's say blindly,but i really don't prefer it.I dont prefer it 'cause the Reviewer usually thinks with a Normal User mentality.We should not only look out for better specs but also for Developer support.Here let's get independent and take the decision of buying phone's by ourself .
ABOUT ANDROID-
Android is a software bunch comprising not only operating system but also middleware and key applications.Android is still very much the ARM instruction set and all Android open source build's are geared towards ARM processors.Android is an ARM-centric OS.Android is a powerful Operating System supporting a large number of applications in Smart Phones. These applications make life more comfortable and advanced for the users. Hardwares that support Android are mainly based on ARM architecture platformApplications
These are the basics of Android applications:
• Android applications are composed of one or more application components (activities, services, content providers, and broadcast receivers)
• Each component performs a different role in the overall application behavior, and each one can be activated individually (even by other applications)
• The manifest file must declare all components in the application and should also declare all application requirements, such as the minimum version of Android required and any hardware configurations required
• Non-code application resources (images, strings, layout files, etc.) should include alternatives for different device configurations (such as different strings for different languages)
THE ARM Processor Family(ABOUT PROCESSOR'S)
ABOUT ARM :
ARM (Advance RISC machines) is a UK company that built's RISC processor's.ARM doesn't sell microphone's intead it linces it's technology to other companies along with the option to drop the Vanilla (non-modified) ARM core in their SoC (System On Chip).Many company's like Qualcom,nVidia create their own processor by using ARM design as Blue-print and yeah ARM has it's share in the profit .
ABOUT SoC (System On Chip) :
The system on Chip is single peice of chip which comprises of CPU,GPU,memory controller ..etc . SoC may either have ARM or x86 core technology.It is a unique chip which is a package that has Baseband,host of controller's that are need to process data.SoC is one single chip which is fabricated with the above stated functions.SOC's are efficient and reduce memory overhead.Top notch Company's's like Qualcom,nVidia,Apple built their SOC's using the blue-print processor design provided by ARM
INSTRUCTION SET :
These are special functions that has a processor can perform several stuff such as Arithmetic instruction,floating point,bit manipulation..etc . ARM support's a variety of instruction's like x86..etc..They also support 64-bit which are high and powerful performance computing chips,whereas 32-bit chips are low-powered,Little performance deliverer .. ARM also support complex instuctions like SIMD instructions
THE ARM ARCHITECTURE :
The ARM Architecture is the base for all ARM related Core's. Usually a companies like Qualcomm,broadcom ,etc which would be creating custom cores will license the Architecture for tweaking it from ARM itself.Using the Architecture and fine-tuning it for special work such as Real Time processing or High complex level purpose they create a particular Family names like Cortex-A, Cortex-R...etc .
THE ARM CORE :
By varying the core clock speed,instruction set,,ARM Produces many cores for SOC builder's . Such is Cortex A7,A8,A9 core family.Cortex family in used in almost every Top Notch device out there.Its completely depends on the OEM/Vendor to opt for the core's that are needed for their Device
So,let's now move to the Basic point's one must keep in mind to buy an Android device ..
1 . SCREEN SIZE :
This is the first thing that must Flash into our mind before buying an Android Device .Screen size is subjective and should be based on your taste.Still,smartphone,it's better to opt for a screen,that's bigger than 4" inches for a Device and more than 7" inches would do good for a Tablet.
2 . RESOLUTION :
Look out for the device which has higher PPI (pixels per inch) value .. PPI more than 250 is considered good but higher the PPI the better the device would be .The best part is that these devices offer the ability to pinch to zoom or tap to zoom which aids in reading even with a lower-size display
3 . HARDWARE :
In terms of Android OS one needs better hardware to get a lacklustre view of browsing and the fact 'THE HIGHER THE BETTER" apply's here too ..Architecture and process nodes boost performance more than stuffing in more cores with enhancement's .. Phone's with Quad-core SOC'S will surely lead to batter draining .. Go for the device which is powered by cortex A9 , A7 technology paired with Quad core's or even dual core's .
3.1 . GPU : ]
Some of the best GPU'S out there are made by Qualcomm (adreno) ,ARM (mali) ..But make sure that you device doesn't have a BROADCOM powered GPU.. Broadcomm has a closed-source policy and they make the Best Buggy GPU'S out there .. Better opt fo Qualcomm powered GPU .Anyway Adreno and Mali based GPU occupy a large chunk over the system and leaving less for you .so make sure your device has 1GB Ram..
4 . UPDATE'S OF ROM :
This is plagued by OEM'S or vendors.This is the main reson behind the stagnating with fragmentation's over verions .This is completely controlled by the device Vendor's .Though Samsung tops in place of providing update but that actually wont be that satisfactory...
Just make sure to check the developement status of the device which you decided to buy, here at XDA .Anyhow if you want a Future-proof device regarding the upgrades then better stick to Nexus Line Family device which are provided by the tech Gaint and Android owner "GOOGLE"..
Hope this thread helped you ..
credits:
OSY team for providing Such Knowledge
@mathm2013 @Hitesh2626 @DamnTarget FOR FEEDBACK
GFX Bandits and my whatsapp friends ..
Giupy 99 said:
BroadComm for the knowledge they gave to never buy a BCM-powered device again
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Google Nexus 5
$349 (16 GB) or $399 (32 GB) unlocked, but don’t call it “cheap.” Also available starting at $410 on Swappa. With class leading specs and excellent software and developer support, the Nexus 5 is a force to be reckoned with.
You can’t even begin to think about creating a list of the best phones currently available—at any price—without at least mentioning the Google Nexus 5. The LG-sourced device packs some serious computing firepower, including the current best-in-class quad-core Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 processor running at 2.26 GHz. It also packs 2 GB of RAM, a 2300 mAh battery, and a gorgeous 5″ 1080p screen with pixels dense enough so that it doesn’t even matter anymore. The camera isn’t the best in the world, and neither is its speaker volume, but both of these issues have since been mitigated somewhat.
What makes this device special isn’t its admittedly great hardware. No, it’s the software. With a stock version of the latest and greatest Android and Google have to offer, as well as virtually limitless development potential, the Nexus 5 is a software tour-de-force.
XDA Breakdown:
Root? Yes
Recovery? Yes.
Unlockable? fastboot oem unlock. Need I say more?
Widespread Aftermarket Developer Support? Yes.
Multiboot? YES!
LG G2
$650 unlocked (or under $200 with carrier subsidy). Also available starting at $470 on Swappa.
Close cousin to the Nexus 5, the LG G2 shares many of its internals with the N5. Though the device features a larger screen and a markedly better camera, it also is weighed down by an OEM skin that only a mother could love. Despite that, the device still packs solid performance, and with a little aftermarket development love, it can truly shine.
XDA Breakdown:
Root? Yes.
Recovery? Yes (guide).
Unlockable? Loki Patch.
Widespread Aftermarket Developer Support? Official AOKP, OmniROM, CyanogenMod, and Paranoid Android available.
Multiboot? No.
Sony Xperia Z1
$609 unlocked. Also available starting at $450 on Swappa.
Sony’s flagship for late 2013 packs quite a punch in the specs department. The device features a super speedy processor, excellent camera, competent screen, and amazing developer friendliness from the OEM.
XDA Breakdown:
Root? Yes.
Recovery? Yes.
Unlockable? Yes.
Widespread Aftermarket Developer Support? Official OmniROM and CyanogenMod available.
Multiboot? No.
Moto X
$529 unlocked (or $99 with carrier subsidy). Also available starting at $390 on Swappa. Motorola’s flagship isn’t so much a flagship as it is an everyman’s phone.
Rather than cramming as many MHz and GB as possible into as think a device as possible, Motorola chose a different path. They instead came up with a few incredibly innovative software additions and tailored the hardware to match. As such, the Moto X doesn’t directly compete with the Samsung Galaxies and the HTC Ones of the world, at least not in raw specs, but it doesn’t have to. It’s a great device that offers solid performance and a reasonably good screen. And the touchless controls aren’t just the icing on the cake; they are the cake.
XDA Breakdown:
Root? RockMyMoto.
Recovery? Yes.
Unlockable? RockMyMoto
Widespread Aftermarket Developer Support? Not at the moment. A few source-built ROMs including official PAC nightlies, but no official PA, Omni, or CM for the device.
Multiboot? No.
PHABLETS
Samsung Galaxy Note 3http://www.xda-developers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/samsung-galaxy-note-3-300x236.jpg
$645 unlocked (or under $300 with carrier subsidy). Also available starting at $550 on Swappa. When you need to do more, you can with various Samsung S Pen apps.
The Galaxy Note 3 continues to be the only very large phone that truly offers a “phablet” experience. Rather that simply making a very large phone, Samsung has made a device that is capable of doing fundamentally more than most phones. Now, you need to deal with TouchWiz in order to gain this functionality. But for many, the trade-off is well worth it.
XDA Breakdown:
Root? Yes.
Recovery? Yes.
Widespread Aftermarket Developer Support? Yes, but depends on variant.
Multiboot? No.
Sony Xperia Z Ultra
$520 unlocked. Also available starting at $430 on Swappa.
Although it lacks the S Pen functionality of Samsung’s Galaxy Note 3, the Xperia Z Ultra has one added trick up its sleeve: the recently launched Z Ultra Google Play edition. Due to their hardware similarities, it’s not unreasonable to assume that the GPe ROM will be ported over to the standard device, and that’s good news for Z Ultra owners everywhere!
OLDER FLAGSHIP DEVICES
HTC One
$540 unlocked. Also starting at $329 on Swappa.
HTC Started the year off strong with the HTC One. When we covered the launch back in March, we were quite impressed with the device’s stunning screen, speedy processor, tasteful skin, and beautiful build quality. While the phone is no longer one of the fastest devices available, it is still a powerful device for those looking for a sculpted work of art, rather than the bleeding edge in mobile tech.
XDA Breakdown:
Root? Yes.
Recovery? Yes.
Unlockable? Yes.
Widespread Aftermarket Developer Support? Official OmniROM and CyanogenMod, depending on variant.
Multiboot? Yes!
Google Edition Conversion? Yes!
Samsung Galaxy S 4
$560 unlocked. Also starting at $380 on Swappa.
While it’s starting to fall behind in the specs war compared to newer devices, Samsung’s Galaxy S 4 still packs quite a bit of power, a fantastic screen, great battery life, a nice camera, and expandable storage. Furthermore, the device has a healthy development community with more mods, tweaks, ROMs, and kernels than you can shake a stick at.
XDA Breakdown:
Root? Yes.
Recovery? Yes.
Widespread Aftermarket Developer Support? Varies depending on variant, but generally yes.
Oppo Find 5
$500 unlocked. Also starting at $310 on Swappa.
The Oppo Find 5 is a great device with a fantastic camera and impeccable screen. Its Snapdragon S4 Pro is no longer the fastest SoC available, but it can still breeze through most tasks without any slowdown. Finally, Oppo’s developer-friendly attitude earns it a place among all the heavyweights.
XDA Breakdown:
Root? Yes.
Recovery? Yes.
Widespread Aftermarket Developer Support? Official AOKP, Paranoid Android, and CyanogenMod.
On a Budget
Moto G
$179 (8 GB) or $199 (16 GB) direct.
This one’s simple. If you’ve only got $200 or less, and you want an unlocked phone, get a Moto G. It’s a solid phone at an utterly fantastic price. Developer support isn’t quite there yet, but with such good price/performance, we can’t imagine it being too far.
XDA Breakdown:
Root? Yes.
Recovery? Yes.
Unlockable? Through Motorola.
Widespread Aftermarket Developer Support? better than galaxy ace-i's
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Are you sure you don't want to credit also BroadCom for the knowledge they gave you and us? They teached us to never buy a BCM-powered device again (except for a Raspberry Pi maybe :fingercrossed: )
Reserved, just in case
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Giupy 99 said:
Are you sure you don't want to credit also BroadCom for the knowledge they gave you and us? They teached us to never buy a BCM-powered device again (except for a Raspberry Pi maybe :fingercrossed: )
Reserved, just in case
Sent from my Nokia 3310 using Tapatalk
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Sure buddy .. lol
But i believe Dev support is because Moto G just arrived, we haven't seen much of what it can do until now. I believe it and Moto X are the best by relation price/benefit.
Note 3 the Best!
mathm2013 said:
But i believe Dev support is because Moto G just arrived, we haven't seen much of what it can do until now. I believe it and Moto X are the best by relation price/benefit.
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Believe me ,after Moto-G releases worldwide it might have Good developer support .. It might even have official support from CM,PAC,OmNI dev's ..
Motorola released the source code of Moto-x ,day before yesterday ..so in near future ,they might be releasing Moto-G source code along with device drivers ..
I like this phone!
Hey!
I like cooperve. Fact that there are complications made me to think more about all android. Right now I'm not so stupid as many people in supper-device-support-forum who are asking for any stupid thing. Compiling your own kernel because You want more freqs and ext2 (not ext4), and trying to trick device (Samsung reported 384MB RAM, CONFIG_CMDLINE uses 362MB, we have 289MB. I've increased CMDLINE to 364MB and nearly bricked device, but OS reported me 291MB Ha! ["?CONFIG_?"CMDLINE_FORCE=y]). Creating your own ROM (ROM created by someone else but You must customize it before flash). But I understand. I've bought this device for fun (I'm doing only this with all electronical equipment [even fridge]) and You don't must like this device.
My next step wil be GTAB2 + XPERIAZ.
misha1996 said:
Note 3 the Best!
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One can buy it only if you enough money in your Hands ..
640 dollars buddy
Mr.Gentleman said:
One can buy it only if you enough money in your Hands ..
640 dollars buddy
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Not only money. Gotta see if it fits on your hand
Prestigio's phones are good with dual sim cards and big displays. Prestigio Website
Flamestorm said:
Prestigio's phones are good with dual sim cards and big displays. Prestigio Website
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Oh ! Great ! ..
Their are many many vendors which produce Good device at a reliable price but still the developer support will take us back ..
Their is a Local company in India called "MicroMax" this company actually became the whistle blower after releasing it's Canvas Device Family .. Even top companies like samsung,hTc faced tuff competition from this Canvas family device's ..But still this Great Company is called as "Re-Branded chinese device" (atleast refered as, by iamareebjamal) .. In similiar way every local company is called as "Chinese device" ,though it ain't ..
And great news guys ..tech Gaint Nokia is going to release its first Android device .. If they do,then samsung will be living in shadows of Nokia as it was some 4-6 years ago ..
Mr.Gentleman said:
And great news guys ..tech Gaint Nokia is going to release its first Android device .. If they do,then samsung will be living in shadows of Nokia as it was some 4-6 years ago ..
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dont excite bro. i was heard that a while ago but now ive heard a new info about that nokia isnt gonna release an android device they will go with wp.
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Nokia Normandy was supposed to be the first Nokia Android device. It was code name for a device on which they were testing Android. But I don't know what is going to happen that changes the mind of a company which refused Android on the first hand, specially, after it's under Microsoft's control
iamareebjamal said:
Nokia Normandy was supposed to be the first Nokia Android device. It was code name for a device on which they were testing Android. But I don't know what is going to happen that changes the mind of a company which refused Android on the first hand, specially, after it's under Microsoft's control
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Anyway Nokia took Wrong choice .They wanted to bring something out-of-box by taking Windows as their primary OS ... Unfortunately they hit the wrong store .
Though Microsoft's Metro UI and lumia family is good , they lost in options of Customization and in the Availability of Apps . ..
Anyway Jolla is Quite Awesome.. (must check it out ! )
Mr.Gentleman said:
Anyway Jolla is Quite Awesome.. (must check it out ! )
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yeah sailfish os is quite awesome i loved it but i think its expensive for that hardware. i would buy it if its 300€
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Loved The second Post mahn. GG ^_^
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Lalit Patil said:
Loved The second Post mahn. GG ^_^
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Glad you like it .
Sooner or later i'm gonna add about best Tablet's in #3 post
For those who absolutely want an Android Lumia, there's a phone called "Nokia N9" which has an OS (MeeGO, the base of Jolla Sailfish) that is based on Linux. Some devs ported ICS and JB on it, take a look on YouTube
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Hi. My name Wojciech. Im enthusiast of tvbox and SBC. XDA is mine of knowledge so I decided to join.
wojtek_dbr said:
Hi. My name Wojciech. Im enthusiast of tvbox and SBC. XDA is mine of knowledge so I decided to join.
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Welcome to XDA! Enjoy the forums, and let me know if you have any questions. By the way, what SBCs do you use?
Hi, first was Odroid C2, then Raspberry Pi Zero2, and finally Radaxa Rock Pi SE. Meantime several tvBox with S905x (KM5 -3 pieces), S905X3(Vontar X3, X96 Max +), RK3328 (A5X Max +) - all works with Android, Linux and Libreelec/Coreelec.
wojtek_dbr said:
Hi, first was Odroid C2, then Raspberry Pi Zero2, and finally Radaxa Rock Pi SE. Meantime several tvBox with S905x (KM5 -3 pieces), S905X3(Vontar X3, X96 Max +), RK3328 (A5X Max +) - all works with Android, Linux and Libreelec/Coreelec.
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Cool! I have a Raspberry Pi 4 8GB. How do you like your Radaxa Rock Pi SE?
Its quite cool SBC, especially with NVME SDD - I bought it just for this feature. For the moment it is waiting to aplication for HA because of trying to use RPI TV HAt with it. I couldn't run it despite the compatibility of the 40pin connector- it waits till resolving this issue. Support fotm radaxa cant -they don't support non-radax hardware.
wojtek_dbr said:
Its quite cool SBC, especially with NVME SDD - I bought it just for this feature. For the moment it is waiting to aplication for HA because of trying to use RPI TV HAt with it. I couldn't run it despite the compatibility of the 40pin connector- it waits till resolving this issue. Support fotm radaxa cant -they don't support non-radax hardware.
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I know! Micro SD is so slow - I've found using a USB 3.0 flash drive is better though.