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Problem with HTC Support (and the N1 phone) - Need advise

Has anyone been able to dispute a repair charge and does anyone know if there would be charges if the power button was not working?
I just want to share my story and am wondering if investing $400 of repair charges on top of a $530 phone is worth it.
4/7/10 - Purchased N1 (Compatible with 3G on AT&T U.S.) from Google Webstore.
6/7/10 - Begin having 3G data & phone signal loss in New Orleans. Contacted AT&T and was told they were having tower issues in the area. Spent one week using 2G instead.
6/13/10 - Went to AT&T store to check on service. Got a brand new SIM card that worked on another phone. At this point, carrier issue has been ruled out
6/14/10 - Phoned N1 support, performed a master reset and then got transferred to HTC for warranty support. It was either replacement or repair. Chose replacement option.
6/17/10 - Received replacement phone and shipped my original phone back to them the very next day.
6/23/10 - Received email for a $196(!) repair quotation. Phoned into HTC support and was told that it was a customer induced motherboard damage. I asked for more details on the damage & charge, and customer service said that they need information from the "warehouse" and get back to me. Never heard back from CS.
7/10/10 - New replacement phone shut off by itself and could not be powered back on.
7/11/10 - Called N1 support and performed master reset which did not work. Got transferred to HTC support but a case cannot be opened because the previous case was still outstanding. The customer serivce rep confirmed that the case notes stated that I had called for more information, and they were supposed to get back to me. I was told that I need to talk to a supervisor for further support and they do not work on weekends.
7/12/10 - Called HTC support and spoke to a supervisor. Basically she told me that my options are
my options are either to pay the $196 and close the case or wait up to 48 hours to get the details back from the "warehouse". Either way, no replacement can be processed until the previous case is closed. I was told that there is no way to:
1. Get the open case closed temporarily so a replacement for my current issue can be dealt with.
2. No other person beyond the supervisor(s) I can talk to.
3. No way to escalate to the wareshouse to speed up 48 hours needed on getting the previous repair details.
4. No one can do anything else for a customer who is going through an exception situation.
5. No clear instructions on how to dispute a repair quotation.
All customer service reps sounded pleasant but HTC has procedures that do not support customer satisfaction. Here are somethings that I find completely unsatisfying. Neither phones have been rooted, tempered with, dropped, or water damage on neither device.
1. First let's talk about 2 defective phones.
2. Sending repair quote to customers demanding payment without more information is unacceptable.
3. Blaming customer for self-induced damange while there is a known 3G issue for the N1.
4. Not getting back to customer on repair details is also unacceptable.
5. Not being able to open more than one case is absurd. In my situation, we're dealing with 2 different issues but for some reason, one is related to the other in the system.
6. Where is the repair charge dispute process documentation?
7. The is no exception to the "normal" escalation process is a huge gap. Basically I was told that after the supervisor level, it goes to the "warehouse". No one can talk to the wareshouse without going through the 48 hour escalation process.
8. Tell customer that damage maybe water related when the battery has no record of such.

You studiously do not deny self induced damage.did you break it? We're not here to play guessing games.
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Hi
I faced a similar situation as you. My power button went wonky and I sent it in to HTC for servicing. It was a very tiring ordeal for me.
The HTC support (in Singapore) kept insisting that my motherboard needed a replacement and they wanted to charge me for it as I had an unlocked bootloader and was unable to claim warranty.
I kept arguing with their phone support that I just wanted my power button fixed and I was skeptical that that required a motherboard replacement. They kept insisting that I needed to replace my motherboard in order fix the power button.
As I was getting nowhere with phone support( I spent 3 days arguing with them) I made a trip down to their service center to try to speak to the engineer actually servicing my phone.
Had a similar argument with the CSO there who repeated the same BS to me and finally said she will go inside and have the engineer come out to explain further. So I waited. After several minutes (of which i believe she was informing him that there was an angry customer outside), she emerged alone and said they will wave the charges for the button repair.
Do you know what disgusts me the most about this entire ordeal?
When i finally received my phone back from them, they repaired my power button but my boot loader remained unlocked!
They did not need to replace my motherboard!
IMO, HTC simply wanted to replace the motherboard cos I had an unlocked bootloader. What better way to make easy money then to milk me with an unnecessary but expensive repair simply cos I voided my warranty. It' s unethical and personally, HTC has lost any future business from me.
It ironic as I bought my phone from Google.

caysman said:
You studiously do not deny self induced damage.did you break it? We're not here to play guessing games.
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I'm putting my money on an unlocked bootloader

No I have not unlocked or rooted neither phones. My replacement N1 received the Froyo push. I did not even install it myself. Seriously there was no tempering, dropping, or water damage on neither device.
I would agree that HTC is passing repair charges to customers because it makes good business sense. It'll be highly unlikely that I am going to purchase another HTC phone.

TangBiz said:
All customer service reps sounded pleasant but HTC has procedures that do not support customer satisfaction.
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Exactly my thought. I've had my phone repaired for almost a whole month now and I still have no hope of getting it back.
The customer service is nice but they are absolutely useless. Everything regarding the actual status of the phone has to be initiated by the escalation team or warehouse, and I highly doubt that they give a **** of the customers.

TangBiz said:
No I have not unlocked or rooted neither phones. My replacement N1 received the Froyo push. I did not even install it myself. Seriously there was no tempering, dropping, or water damage on neither device.
I would agree that HTC is passing repair charges to customers because it makes good business sense. It'll be highly unlikely that I am going to purchase another HTC phone.
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Has this been resolved?
If you haven't unlocked the bootloader, then there's no reason to charge you for the repair. Definitely talk to a supervisor and don't be afraid to insist that the phone if fully covered under warranty and they need to replace the unit or repair it.

I guess HTC support is 50/50, i've read that many HTC sends over a new phone the next day i guess it depends on certain malfunctions they do that. You should find out on what malfucntions do they send phones right away, and claim that as the problem.

KidTech said:
I guess HTC support is 50/50, i've read that many HTC sends over a new phone the next day i guess it depends on certain malfunctions they do that. You should find out on what malfucntions do they send phones right away, and claim that as the problem.
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I'm getting my rooted/unlocked phone repaired for free. So yeah, it really is 50/50!

My headphone jack started wigging out and thinking there was a headset plugged in when there wasn't. I also explained that I started to see dust coming in underneath the screen in the bottom left corner.
I opted for a replacement. I got it the next day. New one is great. Bootloader was unlocked and no charge was issued.
I would be livid. How old was the original phone with the "broken motherboard"? April? Well all hardware defects are covered up to 1 year. If the phone casing shows no physical signs of abuse yet the motherboard is broken... then that is a ringer that it is a manufacture defect.... especially if you'd had the phone for 2 months.
If there are no signs of physical damage and the water sticker is clean then you have full entitlement to your warranty. This includes motherboard replacements.

Is Samsung has the worst Customer Service ever?

Hi,
My Galaxy S had a faulty accelerometer since I bough it. I took it to Authorised Samsung Service Centre as advised by Samsung Helpline.
On 14/08 I've left my phone for repair in Service. On the same day the engineer called to say they couldn't repair it and they will send it to Samsung Service on the 16/08 and it takes up to 10 working days to get it back. So the phone was send by an authorised service centre on 16/08/10 should be back with me, within 10 working days, which means I should get the phone back no later then 31/08, as 30/08 was bank holiday.
On the 02/08 I contacted Samsung to get the information on the repair and whey there is a delay, and I get the following answer:
"Regarding your case, kindly note that your call to us was made on the
25th of August 2010 when the service request was processed into the
system. Then it takes 2 Business days to receive the jiffy bag, once you
send out the jiffy bag it should take 5- 10 business days to receive
your phone back. You should be receiving your phone back on time."
But the thing is I didn't call them on the 25/08, I didn't receive any jiffy bags and I didn't send anything to them as the phone was send by their authorised service centre.
I'm over 3 weeks without the phone and without the hope that I get it soon, as following their line I will probably get around 13-14th September (1 month since I took it for repair). For me this is an appalling customer service and it is unacceptable.
It takes forever for them to answer any queries, and if they finally do, their response in no way answers the query. If I try to call them , Im lucky to get through in 20 minutes, and they it's almost impossible to get the competent person to talk to.
I am seriously disgusted with them to the limits.
Did anyone else also experience similar problems with them?

i would say yes
i got the phone the very first day it was released
it got bricked
called their customer service/tech support
they said we don't take care of that
go back to your cell phone provider to service it.....
I was left speechless to say the least.
it's been almost 6+ week since i sent my phone back to my phone company and still no word of it.
Horrible support from Samsung.
if it were not because it's the only phone in the market, with the top end hardware, i would have already switch to another phone maker just because they decided not to support me.

I had somethinge similar, I emailed them about my gps and lag, well they just ignored me, and i send that email like 3 or 4 times...
I really dislike bad costumer services!!

They really loosing a big time as a result of their disgraceful customer service. They have some great products and they would sell as twice as many if they could only provide honest, respectful and reliable customer service. This can't be that hard.

I received similar customer service from HTC a few years back for my P4000. "Oh your from Canada!" " "You have to contact Telus for service"
Five ....yes five units later I got an acceptable swap.
Panasonic is another gem to deal with... horrible service.

I agree with the statement ...Samsung Customer Service, it's TERRIBLE. That being said, there are ways of rattling the higher ups cages, with emails and phone calls. They really hate to be bothered with service issues. This is the one and ONLY way I have ever received any type of "support" from Samsung.
Also, once I did receive the support, they were extremely quick in rectifying my issue(s).

exstarosta said:
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It takes forever for them to answer any queries, and if they finally do, their response in no way answers the query. If I try to call them , Im lucky to get through in 20 minutes, and they it's almost impossible to get the competent person to talk to.
I am seriously disgusted with them to the limits.
Did anyone else also experience similar problems with them?
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AllGamer said:
i would say yes
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With all due respect, this just seems to me like standard run-around customer service from most big companies, nothing really horrible or unexpected from what I have heard at all.
If you want a story about bad customer service, I can tell you my story about Acer.
Laptop died, ok, so laptops die. Ship it to Acer in Ontario for warranty because they have no walk-in depots (??). Two weeks later, get it back, original problem is fixed, but now they have installed a French keyboard and made the screen hinges squeak (???). File new issue, have to mail it away AGAIN, get it back, keyboard is now English again, but hinges STILL squeak, and now the PCMCIA slot cover is broken. Third time, mail it away again, finally, comes back issues repaired.
Total time without a working laptop? Two months.
Stay AWAY FROM ACER! The service depot seems more dangerous than a construction site.

In my experience, no. Try dealing with Virgin Media's Customer Service if you really want to experience incompetence in abundance. That said, I've had to deal with Samsung CS numerous times this week and only once have I gotten through to someone helpful...

Auth service centers are not same as true samsung service centre. Auth service centers just do basic repairs and if they can't they log it via samsungs online or tel helpdesk. Auth centers can be any company that passes samsungs tech tests. Its not samsung you are dealing with at the centers but a normal repair business. Its same with any company as they can't afford to have repair centers everywhere except big cities/countries
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My experience is the exact opposite. I find that Samsung customer service is way better than HTC (my last few phones).
When my Galaxy S was bricked because I flashed an CDMA ROM onto my phone, I brought it in to Samsung service centre to repair.
Surprise no. 1
The service centre said it will try to reflash my FW and told me to come back in an hour's time. An hour! At HTC, you wait for days just for them to flash your ROM
Surprise no. 2
When I went back in 1 hour, they told me that they failed to reflash the phone and have to replace the motherboard. Phone will be sent in to Samsung. Told me to come back 3 days later. I was skeptical. At HTC, changing motherboard literally means a wait of at least 2 weeks (if you are lucky). But 3 days later, the phone was ready for my collection.
Surprise no. 3
I was told that the repair is free, under warranty. This was despite the fact that I was willing to pay for the repair. I mean, c'mon, the phone was flashing an AT&T splashscreen. At HTC, they void your warranty even if they detected you have hardSPL your device.
So all in all, my first experience with Samsung customer service is very positive.

Even if they gave me defected phones, the customer center here has already replaced 2 phones for me. I'll be getting the 3rd replacement today, hopefully it has 3 button downloads mode.

Seifer1975 said:
My experience is the exact opposite. I find that Samsung customer service is way better than HTC (my last few phones).
When my Galaxy S was bricked because I flashed an CDMA ROM onto my phone, I brought it in to Samsung service centre to repair.
Surprise no. 1
The service centre said it will try to reflash my FW and told me to come back in an hour's time. An hour! At HTC, you wait for days just for them to flash your ROM
Surprise no. 2
When I went back in 1 hour, they told me that they failed to reflash the phone and have to replace the motherboard. Phone will be sent in to Samsung. Told me to come back 3 days later. I was skeptical. At HTC, changing motherboard literally means a wait of at least 2 weeks (if you are lucky). But 3 days later, the phone was ready for my collection.
Surprise no. 3
I was told that the repair is free, under warranty. This was despite the fact that I was willing to pay for the repair. I mean, c'mon, the phone was flashing an AT&T splashscreen. At HTC, they void your warranty even if they detected you have hardSPL your device.
So all in all, my first experience with Samsung customer service is very positive.
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same experience for me too.... infact i think i have used more than 5 different high end phones from samsung for past 2 years.. and i had a good experience with the service as compared to other companies .. once i had bricked my samsung omnia i900 and they replaced the mother board free of cost under warranty (without a single question) and that too in 2 days time... and now the staff there know me well and give me a priority in case i have any problem, thats why i prefer samsung mobiles than any other company
and on the other hand i had a Motorola handset which i dropped in the water.. and after that it never showed the network but when i took it to the service center , they told me that this problem cannot be solved .. as they dont even have mother boards and in the process they damaged the screen.. and handed over the phone to me saying that it was already with a damaged screen... now i had to fight with them and get a screen replacement just to use it as an ipod/music player... and i had to pay Rs 200 ..just for nothing they said it was a service charge..

Nice, But it all depends on the guy and service centre. They can sometimes suprise you

ickyboo said:
Nice, But it all depends on the guy and service centre. They can sometimes suprise you
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QFT.
People seem to often think that companies are a giant automaton. But in reality they are just collections of individuals. The luck of the draw when you get assigned a service person is a huge factor. The sad part is, the excellent service people usually end up being promoted away from the front lines.

offtopic (but in relation to topic title): all your base are belong to us.
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I dont see what the problem is. The problem the TS speaks off is common practice from all big companies. The law (at least in Holland) saids that if your buyed product is defective within your warranty period, you should go back to the SELLER to get your phone fixed or exchanged or sent to repair centre/manufactury.
It has no use to call Samsung, cause they wont be able to help you with this. Every company in the phone business will give you the same answer.
My experience is to get your phone fixed in repair centres. Official or non-official. I have a SGS too, but in the past i had different phones. When i wanted to fix my Nokia with the seller, they said it would take weeks before i would get it back.
Then i went to a repair centre who is working with Nokia and they repaired it in 30 minutes. If you send your phone for repair, it will take weeks with every company on the market. If you get it fixed in a repair centre, max 1 day
The story dat Samsung has bad customer service, is just a story people tell you because they heard someone else who heard someone else said that.

andrej.marinic said:
offtopic (but in relation to topic title): all your base are belong to us.
Hahaha smartarse. U sound like a redditor like me
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exstarosta said:
They really loosing a big time as a result of their disgraceful customer service. They have some great products and they would sell as twice as many if they could only provide honest, respectful and reliable customer service. This can't be that hard.
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I agree, there customer service is the worst ever, I have sent my Galaxy tablet off to them twice now and they have not repaired the intial fault..I will never ever bay another Samsung product ever again..I am thinking of taking them to court..glad to see am not alone!

try 3
i have to say that compared to 3uk samsung are excellent , i recieved a call from them today about a problem i had, they may not fix all problems that second but the customer service team have kept in touch updated me as to what is going on and what they are doing,and as they themselves dont fix the problem they are just the point of contact so far they have done an excellent job.
now if the problem gets fixed is another matter

Insurance repair incompetence...

I have mobile phone and gadget insurance included with my bank account and recently had to use it as my HTC HD2 went faulty.
I am a fairly experienced ROM flasher and have been creating my own WM 6.5 based ROMs for a while. When the fault started to happen (signal deteriorating and then constantly searching, sometime coming back after a soft reset, sometimes not) I spent a couple of days trying to resolve the issue myself. This included factory resetting, restoring the official ROM, installing a myriad of Radio ROMs, cleaning the internal GSM antenna contacts etc. All to no avail so I was pretty certain it was a hardware fault.
Lifestyle Services Group are the providers of the insurance and repair services and what a palaver. I sent it back in October and included a detailed description of the fault. It was returned a week later and as far as I can tell completely untouched with a note saying repaired. It wasn't. I contacted them and they apologised and said they would send out a pre-paid envelope and I should return it in this. When it arrived I thought 'oh no' as the pre-paid address had '2nd Return' written on it - obviously quite common for them not to get repaired first time then?
It has just arrived this morning and they have now removed the screen protector but the handset is still faulty It looks like they have tried to make it look like a new handset - one acronym IMEI? I contacted them and they said 'sorry we'll replace it now as it has been returned twice, here is a different department to send it to. Can you put a note in with the repair reference and what the postal cost is so we can refund it'
Now if only the Royal Mail online thing was working.....
Rant over
Andy

It's unlikely to be your insurance company doing the repair so I wouldn't pin the blame on them. They will have a contract with a company, probably OEM, to repair faults. Now you mention HTC; take a look at BBC's Watchdog site and take note on HTC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/watchdog/2011/10/htc_phones.html

In all fairness they have been reasonably quick to return the phone, however it is the total lack of doing anything with it or at least providing a report of what they supposedly did with it that is annoying. I received a generic letter both times I got it back that stated something like 'your phone has been repaired and tested based on the faults you outlined to us' There is no evidence that they have even taken it apart or even a fault report from the engineer who 'repaired' it.
I am sure they receive a lot of handsets that all they require is a factory-reset or a new battery, however I went out of my way to troubleshoot the issue and arrived at the conclusion that it was a hardware fault. I returned it to them as stock and factory reset with a detailed explanation of the fault included so they should have at least taken this into consideration when looking at the fault.
If I get another fault (when I eventually get a working phone back...) I will just say I lost it and put it in the bin rather than go through this again.
Andy

Well i am with LSG and when i dropped my zte blade in coke then claimed they couldn't fix it,i wanted the same phone again as i liked it but nope they couldn't offer me that i was given a crap selection! Was disappointed they couldn't offer the same phone. I just hope they don't do that to me in future!
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Water Damaged S5 Active Replaced by Samsung

Hello all! Just had something wonderful happen.
I recently got the S5 Active from AT&T. The phone I was using beforehand was the HTC G1 (what a throwback!), so naturally when I get a phone that is supposed to block water from damaging it, I tried it. The surprising thing was, the first few times it worked underwater, no issues at all. Then, one day, to demonstrate to my friends how much better my phone was over iPhones everywhere, I dropped it in a pitcher of water in front of them, just like they did in the commercial. It worked immediately after, but a few minutes later it just shut off. I ripped off the cover and saw there was water everywhere by the battery. It looks like there was a little cut by the seal of the back, which is what I presume to be the culprit to be. The screen would not turn on, even after several attempts to resurrect it.
I ended up setting up a claim with Samsung, even though the man on the phone said they would not cover water damage at all. For kicks, I wrote a little note saying what happened, and how I would appreciate it if they could fix my phone, and slipped that in the package.
Low and behold, I received a new phone from Samsung! Even though they said I wouldn't get anything, a working S5 was just shipped to me. It isn't the one I sent in, so I assume it's a refurbished one. It also came with a new back and battery.
Anywho, I just wanted to explain what happened to give some peace of mind to anyone out there was frantically Googling what is going to happen to their water resistant S5 Active after water slips through the cracks. Cheers!

Hello.
Hey there,I am EXACTLY in the same situation as you are,please tell me what should I do now.I have left 22 months of warranty,I have the IMEI and serial number.But I can't find my bill (for purchase date they ask).I would appreciate if you help me mate.Im really scarred and I dont want to pay for the phone again.I guess the phone is totally damaged,as it doesn't even vibrate,turn on.It is completly dead.My cover was safely as my charger slot.And if they examinate the phone and the warranty cant cover the damage,what are the chances to ask for more than 200$?Please I need any information!

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Hey there,I am EXACTLY in the same situation as you are,please tell me what should I do now.I have left 22 months of warranty,I have the IMEI and serial number.But I can't find my bill (for purchase date they ask).I would appreciate if you help me mate.Im really scarred and I dont want to pay for the phone again.I guess the phone is totally damaged,as it doesn't even vibrate,turn on.It is completly dead.My cover was safely as my charger slot.And if they examinate the phone and the warranty cant cover the damage,what are the chances to ask for more than 200$?Please I need any information!
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First of all the warranty is 12 months unless you bought square trade or something. And if the S5 active is anything like the S4 active, they don't advertise it but they will replace it because there's no way to tell whether it failed at being "water resistant" or was fully submerged. As for the receipt, sometimes they ask for it and sometimes they don't. If you can't get it replaced through your carrier, the best option is to use the Samsung support chat & they'll tell you what you need to submit. Otherwise the carrier should have a receipt on record

Water damaged Samsung Galaxy S5 HELP!
Hey, I read your thread and I thought it was exactly similar to my situation, except after calling customer service many times, they told me they would not replace my phone. I was wondering you talked to or requested on the phone when you called? Any tips? Did you write to anyone? Is there anything you'd recommend that I do?
My email is [email protected]
I'd really appreciate you getting back to me, thanks!

Hi I'm in the same situation. I was wondering how you went about doing this...
I used the live chat and she gave me a ticket number and told me to call the voice customer service people. I was wondering if that was all they did.
If you could please get back to me with info that'd be great my email is
[email protected]

Don't be fooled by Samsung and AT&T Commercials for the s5 Active!!!
Up until just a few days ago, I have been a very loyal Samsung and AT&T Customer. Both my husband and I have Samsung phones, Samsung Tablets, and have been customers of AT&T forever. I was EVEN thinking about purchasing the Samsung Smart phone. Not anymore.
It is beyond comprehension to me at this time that NEITHER AT&T NOR SAMSUNG will apparently stand behind their products! Although BOTH AT&T AND SAMSUNG advertise that the Galaxy S5 Active devise is rated IP67 using the Ingress Protection rating system! As the Samsung user manual AND the AT&T commercials state: "The dust rating is 6 (highest level of protection), and the water resistance rating is 7 (WATER RESISTANT UP TO 1 METER for UP TO 30 MIN). Watch their commercials ...but don't be fooled.
My phone was in contact with water for less than 3 seconds! ( It accidentally dropped in water and was retrieved almost instantly) LESS TIME THAN advertised:
The phone turned on for a few seconds...then went off....Then an hour later turned on with a green screen...then back off and was totally dead. I sealed the phone in a desiccator for three days and it still would not come on. Samsung service said yes, it was under warranty and to send it in. IF they couldn't repair it , they would send an new one. Guess what!? They lied. I just received my original phone in what looks like worse damage than I sent it and I have been told that the mother board is fried..( NO DUH!) And that voids the warranty?
My mind is spinning. I really loved my Samsung Active, but I am sooo disappointed in the Service and the fact that Samsung would not replace it since it was less than a year old!
I posted a complaint to Samsung's Mobile Facebook page and immediately got a response to private message them. I got the same "canned" response there as well. I may as well go bang my head on a wall. Thank you for taking the time to at least listen to my "rant".

This is how this is done!
If you are reading this post, you probably dropped your s4/s5 Active phone in a glass of water or decided to take it with you swimming. If you did, I am sure you have now realized the error of your ways! ANYWAYS.... if you want any chance of getting your phone fixed WITHOUT paying for the repair, just follow these simple instructions!
Make sure the phone is in warranty! If it's over a year old, the manufacturers warranty is expired and this is not info you need. They will not fix a phone for free if its out of warranty... (well, most of the time! lol)
IF ITS WARRANTY IS GOOD.... Read on! Or, I guess if it's bad just read on anyways... although most of this won't help you in that case...
The first thing you have to know before you even pick up your phone to call Samsung and the most important thing in this process, is to understand that Samsung is not responsible for ANY ACCIDENTAL DAMAGE, PERIOD! So with that out of the way....
Call up Samsung's Technical Support and Give the representative any information they need. Next when they ask why you are calling, simply tell them what symptom you are having and immediately state that you have verified that it is still under warranty and that you'd like to send it in for repair.
Now, you must watch what you say from here. your best bet is pleading the fifth, but they will ask you questions you are going to have to answer... Like, Has your phone suffered any physical or liquid damage?...
Well the obvious answer if you're reading this forum, is YES!!! But let's think about this real quick... If you're calling in about a G870a, it's specs show that it is ip-67 certified, which means it should be "dust and water resistant up to 1 meter and 30 minutes." So should that 5 seconds in a cup really have done it in??? Common sense argues, NO! And this should be your thought process when being asked the question I wrote in the last paragraph.
This is where most of you loose the chance of ever getting the phone repaired under warranty again! And remember you don't want to lie! If you do you'll just get an e-mail after sending it in telling you that the damage is NOT covered. They will then give you a quote for the cost of repair, and tell you that if you do not respond, the phone will be sent back to you AS IS.
So how do you get it fixed for free already?!?!?!?!
The goal now is to make sure you don't incriminate yourself! SOO.... If I dropped mine in a glass of water to show it off to friends and they asked me weather or not it was physically or liquid damaged, I WOULD say something like this...
"No, this phone has been taken care of VERY well it's whole time in my possession, and nothing has occurred that the phone was NOT built to handle based on the specifications listed on Samsung's web page for my SM-G870a specifically. It is in great shape and **** simply stopped working properly after it was briefly submerged in shallow water. I purchased this phone because it's ip-67 certification and it should be fine after such a small indecent!". (**** could mean anything from the LCD to the charger port and anything in-between)!
Now, a good rep will notate that information on your case and provide you with an RMA number, that is, if your phone was in fact under warranty still. Then they send you a shipping label and instructions. Now you just send the phone in following all their instructions. and you should get a nicely refurbished phone in the mail 7-14 days after they receive it!
Easy, right!?!?!
NOT EVERY TIME!!!
If the rep decides to tell you that the phone cannot be serviced under warranty and there will be a charge for the repair......
DON"T GET MAD! It will ensure the status of your phone to be flagged as "beyond economical repair" and it will no longer be covered under warranty again!
Simply tell that rep, that you disagree with that policy and ask KINDLY to speak to their supervisor. (remember, they are going to brief the supervisor on the situation before you talk to them and you don't want them degrading your character!!!)
When you are finally connected to the supervisor, you must be FIRM but KIND, and assert yourself as knowledgeable but not with too much confidence. In laymen terms, treat them like your Grandmother!
Tell them ONLY that you are attempting to send your phone, which in is warranty, in for service and that the previous representative told you it MAY not be covered under the warranty. Then, without hesitation, reiterate to the supervisor now, that this phone is listed on their documentation as ip-67 certified and that the conditions that caused the failure SHOULD NOT HAVE CAUSED THE DAMAGE IT DID!
After that, you must also make sure they understand that you understand that certain measures on the users behalf are expected to meet the ip-67 certification. They must be convinced that your were using proper operating procedures and were using common sense when the phone was damaged.
Any supervisor is going to have a very hard time arguing that type of common sense and will probably place you on a short hold before returning to the line and informing you that they will make an exception, but if the phone is found to be badly damaged, there may still be a charge for repair. AGREE WITH THIS!!!! They will create the RMA and send you the shipping label and instructions
WAS ALL THAT A WASTE OF TIME??? Are they going to try to charge me for the repair anyways??
Most likely not... it should be notated to the tech, and they usually overlook the liquid damaged, because of your conversation with the reps on the phone.
BUT in SOME CASES there is one last step to ALMOST 100% ensure the repair/replacement of your phone FREE of charge!!! and this will probably be the most important step for a lot of people! Especially if a lot of water made it into the device!
All I am asking is for you to "like my Business Page for Capital City Computer geeks on Facebook and comment on my Liquid damage post!
After you do, I will message you the last step!!!! I know a lot of you won't need this last bit of info, but it's the most valuable piece to the puzzle and can make the biggest difference!
Head over to Facebook and search for Capital City Computer Geeks to get the last step!!!!
And if you liked this post or succeeded with my help, please take a second to go there and like my page anyways!!
Maybe, just maybe that'll help get some more priceless info outta me
Good Luck Everyone! Let's make sure we all get what we pay for!
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eMMC Class Action Lawsuit

I'm surprised this hasn't been posted yet, but didn't find it in a forum search. There is a class action lawsuit that has been filed regarding the Note 4 eMMC failure. Here's the link for more info and to inquire about your claim:
http://www.classlawdc.com/2017/04/25/investigation-samsung-galaxy-note-4-mmc_read-failed-defect/

I posted that in the eMMC Read Fail topic about a month ago but for sure it needs to be out in the open like this! Its good to note that at the moment its only being looked into by these Lawyers in the US. I contacted them but they said they were not working with anyone in Canada at the moment, So I'm SOL for this

I live in Canada as well and I have filed an official complaint with the BBB Better Business Bureau against Samsung Electronics Canada. If you are interested in following the same approach make sure you file a complaint not a review because you can't do both, and a complaint if accepted by the BBB is forwarded to Samsung Electronics Canada from the BBB on your behalf to seek a resolution. Samsung only after being contacted by the BBB is now trying to work out a resolution with me to fix my Note 4 but I have been asking Samsung at many different levels and occasions to do that with no success only being quoted "Out of Warranty Policy". At least now they are trying to resolve my problem. It shouldn't have taken this much time and frustration as it has since I have been without a working Note 4 since the day in mid May when an OTA android update issued from my carrier triggered an instant unrecoverable hardware malfunction in my phone. As well I also sent a note to CBC Marketplace informing them of a possible story concerning Note 4 owners having this problem and letting them know that there was a lawsuit launched in the US concerning the very same issue and wondering if they could help inform other Canadians and provide awareness of the issue so ALL Canadian Note 4 owners with problem-ed devices could be heard so loudly that Samsung Electronics Canada would listen. I encourage any other Canadian Note 4 owners to do the same. The Galaxy Note 4 when it was working was truly a remarkable device and it is sad that it died way too soon.

But this issue plagues the Note 2 as well. Though I reckon that model is a bit older. I wonder how long my phone will last, I already have random reboots and the sound sometimes stutters if I play music with Spotify (SM-n910c.) GPS can be also spotty from time to time.
Quality 700$+ phone.

Canada
Just sent in my BBB complaint as well to Sam Canada. Did you hear back from them? I was quoted a $400+ repair bill (which I declined). Frankly I’m not keen on finding a used eMMC/motherboard and repairing it myself, only to have the issue happen all over again.

how do i know if this will affect my Note 4? or does it affect all note 4? My phone was made and pruchased in 2017 so i still have warranty.

https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/22154208/BETURE_et_al_v_SAMSUNG_ELECTRONICS_AMERICA
class action lawsuit status

My N910F has unfortunately developed all the signs and symptoms of the widely reported of eMMC failure a couple of weeks ago. As it is still under Samsung's UK 2 year warranty, my faulty phone to be picked up and sent for inspection to one of their approved repair centres (A NOVO) . Subsequently, the phone back was sent back quickly to me unrepaired and with an attached (standard looking template) letter stating that your engineer has tested my device and found that it is not working because "it has been subjected to SEVERE physical damage internally" and that physical damage is not covered by the manufacturer's warranty.
As I am 100% satisfied that my phone is in pristine physical condition and has been very well looked after with 2 covering cases all the time as well as a screen protector and has never been subjected to drops, liquid exposure or any other physical damage, I have asked Samsung to send me the detailed engineer report as to the nature of the fault found. I am intending on getting an independent assessment of the phone and will aim to produce an independent report on the fault with a view on taking this further with trading standards or other consumer protection agencies. Samsung have been extremely evasive and very uncooperative and have asked me to contact the service centre directly to discuss the issue with their 'engineer'. I cannot in reality understand how this would help resolve my problem as their engineers will very likey just perpetuate the same lies that they had come up with previously in their letter to me.
I will try and get in touch with the service centre and see what they would come up with but I am not holding much hope and was looking to see if anyone who might have been in a similar position might have any suggestions as how to proceed with trying to get Samsung to take responsibility. Needles to say, no more Samsung for me in any way in the future.

lewis.james.750983 said:
https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/22154208/BETURE_et_al_v_SAMSUNG_ELECTRONICS_AMERICA
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Status for dummies update? I can't find a place toto buy brand new motherboards anywhere and used ones are $50 with no guarantees if they're not going to have the same issue...all while I'm stuck using my slowass Note 2 and refuse to goto a 5 or higher since they don't have removable batteries.

Samsung keeps letting innocent customers down with its faulty hardware...
immabum said:
Just sent in my BBB complaint as well to Sam Canada. Did you hear back from them? I was quoted a $400+ repair bill (which I declined). Frankly I’m not keen on finding a used eMMC/motherboard and repairing it myself, only to have the issue happen all over again.
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I did eventually get an offer via email routed through the BBB from Samsung Canada and they offered a one-time out of warranty repair for my device. (Don't get too excited there's more to the story.) I repeatedly being very polite asked them to contact me directly by phone because I had some concerns about there offer and all I asked was for a phone conversation for the "Senior Computer Service for Canada Rep" to reassure me that my device would be repaired without cost to me but they would never even consider my request and simply reply back with an abrupt somewhat ignorant responses like I was asking for something like the moon. Long story short I had a slight sign of Liquid Damage on my devices LD sticker and I was being incredibly honest that this had occurred over a several month period having to chill my device in the freezer on a regular basis to get it to boot this caused condensation which was shown on one corner of the LD sticker. This would not have happened if Samsung Canada had offered the repair 4 months prior when I initially started having problems with the device. So through no fault of my own trying to use a failing product Samsung Canada found a way to WEASEL out by using my own jerry-rigged hardship with their faulty hardware against me. If I had sent my phone into an authorized repair center and they found LD on my phone I would have had to pay for shipping costs to and from the center as well as an assessment fee and my device would be held ransom until I paid up. Goodness knows how much that would have cost me. I will hang on to my busted device in case the class action in the US is won and might extend therefore into Canada. I could even sell my Note 4 on eBay for parts because everything else besides the motherboard is absolutely pristine.
Samsung Canada had a perfect chance to help a polite loyal customer but they chose not to. I have had the same sort of things happen with Apple products in the past and "Oh Boy" did they treat me differently, with dignity and respect and they went out of their way to help me but Samsung Canada did the exact opposite. I think this is done because they know its a genuine hardware defect and if they help their customers out it would be the same as admitting they are guilty of selling poorly designed products and then be on the hook a open up a large amount of liability for the company.
Either way though us poor customers who have been burned by this company will not simply lie down and be quiet the internet is a great place to expose companies when they screw up a product and leave customers hanging.
I hope someone else has better luck dealing with Samsung than I did. The strange thing is for a brief moment when they first said they would fix my device I actually thought they were going to come thru but the end result stung much more when they didn't. Samsung Canada you blew it!!!!!!

Aiadi said:
My N910F has unfortunately developed all the signs and symptoms of the widely reported of eMMC failure a couple of weeks ago. As it is still under Samsung's UK 2 year warranty, my faulty phone to be picked up and sent for inspection to one of their approved repair centres (A NOVO) . Subsequently, the phone back was sent back quickly to me unrepaired and with an attached (standard looking template) letter stating that your engineer has tested my device and found that it is not working because "it has been subjected to SEVERE physical damage internally" and that physical damage is not covered by the manufacturer's warranty.
As I am 100% satisfied that my phone is in pristine physical condition and has been very well looked after with 2 covering cases all the time as well as a screen protector and has never been subjected to drops, liquid exposure or any other physical damage, I have asked Samsung to send me the detailed engineer report as to the nature of the fault found. I am intending on getting an independent assessment of the phone and will aim to produce an independent report on the fault with a view on taking this further with trading standards or other consumer protection agencies. Samsung have been extremely evasive and very uncooperative and have asked me to contact the service centre directly to discuss the issue with their 'engineer'. I cannot in reality understand how this would help resolve my problem as their engineers will very likey just perpetuate the same lies that they had come up with previously in their letter to me.
I will try and get in touch with the service centre and see what they would come up with but I am not holding much hope and was looking to see if anyone who might have been in a similar position might have any suggestions as how to proceed with trying to get Samsung to take responsibility. Needles to say, no more Samsung for me in any way in the future.
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An update on my situation: After all the hassle that I have had from Samsung and their customer service, I contacted Amazon UK from whom I purchased the phone. They have very kindly offered to take my phone for repair through their approved repair centre which has managed to identify the fault with the printed circuit board and replaced the faulty circuit board with the phone returned to me today in full working order again and without any charges incurred by myself. Needless to say "Shamesung" offered no explanation as to how Amazon's repair centre has been able to do what their own engineers could not manage and could not explain the lies on their engineer's report about my phone being subjected to severe physical/liquid damage when Amazon's report clearly identified motherboard failure and replacement.
I cannot praise Amazon highly enough for the steps they have taken to solve my problem and although I am happy to have my phone back, I have decided not to purchase any other product manufactured by Shamesung whatsoever and will do my best to dissuade anyone I know from making the same mistake.

immabum said:
Just sent in my BBB complaint as well to Sam Canada. Did you hear back from them? I was quoted a $400+ repair bill (which I declined). Frankly I’m not keen on finding a used eMMC/motherboard and repairing it myself, only to have the issue happen all over again.
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Just wanted to comment, that it was a pain in the ass, but I did report through the BBB in Canada -and I got the repair done for free. In my complaint to the BBB, I mentioned the fact that it wasn't an isolated issue and made reference to the class action law suit in the US. Samsung asked for a lot of documentation, had my phone at one of their stores and refused to ship it to their service center. Then they cancelled the repair offer because of it sitting at THEIR own store, the one I paid a $35 shipping fee. Their customer service guy Robert emailed me saying that he would take care of it, but in the end didn't and stopped replying to my emails. I sent in my phone anyways seeing as it was a lemon. 3 months after this process was started, I finally got my phone back -fixed. I ended up giving it to my dad anyways *he had no ideas the pain I went through haha* Hope you guys get your repairs done for free as well!

Aiadi
Good you got it sorted. I just became aware of this problem, so I'll keep an eye on it.
It's worth for UK members to keep in mind the "Fit for purpose clause" that is still valid if the device is out of warranty. An extract below:
"Six months or more
If a fault develops after the first six months, the burden is on you to prove that the product was faulty at the time of delivery.
In practice, this may require some form of expert report, opinion or evidence of similar problems across the product range.
Find out more about how to return a faulty item and claim a refund, repair or replacement from a retailer.
You have six years to take a claim to the small claims court for faulty goods in England, Wales and Northern Ireland, and five years in Scotland.
This doesn't mean that a product has to last six years - just that you have this length of time in which to make a claim if a retailer refuses to repair or replace a faulty product. "
https://www.which.co.uk/consumer-rights/regulation/consumer-rights-act
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Wadadli said:
Aiadi
Good you got it sorted. I just became aware of this problem, so I'll keep an eye on it.
It's worth for UK members to keep in mind the "Fit for purpose clause" that is still valid if the device is out of warranty. An extract below:
"Six months or more
If a fault develops after the first six months, the burden is on you to prove that the product was faulty at the time of delivery.
In practice, this may require some form of expert report, opinion or evidence of similar problems across the product range.
Find out more about how to return a faulty item and claim a refund, repair or replacement from a retailer.
You have six years to take a claim to the small claims court for faulty goods in England, Wales and Northern Ireland, and five years in Scotland.
This doesn't mean that a product has to last six years - just that you have this length of time in which to make a claim if a retailer refuses to repair or replace a faulty product. "
https://www.which.co.uk/consumer-rights/regulation/consumer-rights-act
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Many thanks indeed Wadadli. I know there is quite a bit of customer protection but the difficulty was to establish what the fault was with the phone with the situation being "my word against Samsung's". I hope no one else falls into this.

wkustu said:
I'm surprised this hasn't been posted yet, but didn't find it in a forum search. There is a class action lawsuit that has been filed regarding the Note 4 eMMC failure. Here's the link for more info and to inquire about your claim:
http://www.classlawdc.com/2017/04/25/investigation-samsung-galaxy-note-4-mmc_read-failed-defect/
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I contacted this Law Firm mentioning I am having same issue and they asked me if I can submit the details using below form. You can add this to thread if anyone else wants to contact them.
https://forms.office.com/Pages/ResponsePage.aspx?id=M1Awu4pX0ky56HfvNeJmB2eE_TkEyrJIjTBCKPN74zBUOEdNSVRDNkhXRFpTNzBRTTNMWkM5SUtNMi4u
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My AT&T Note 4 first failed in Jan 2017 after Security Patch OTA update and I started getting eMMC Read Failed errors, frequent reboots etc. I contacted Samsung but they gave the same warranty BS. After several back on forth on twitter they agreed to have a look at it for free and provide quote with repair. I sent in the device and I never got contacted by them and device was returned to me after a weeks time with a letter showing screen issue and replacement charge of $70. I raised this with them saying I never got call and again they asked me to send the device back and this was repeated two more times. Fourth time I called them and they agreed to repair it for free. I also sent email to Samsung President Office (did receive call back from them). This time they replaced PBA, Scratched screen and body. Finally I have my Note 4 working without any issues but I lost about an year. Glad I had a backup device.

Vaibhavpbhosale said:
I contacted this Law Firm mentioning I am having same issue and they asked me if I can submit the details using below form. You can add this to thread if anyone else wants to contact them.
https://forms.office.com/Pages/ResponsePage.aspx?id=M1Awu4pX0ky56HfvNeJmB2eE_TkEyrJIjTBCKPN74zBUOEdNSVRDNkhXRFpTNzBRTTNMWkM5SUtNMi4u
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My AT&T Note 4 first failed in Jan 2017 after Security Patch OTA update and I started getting eMMC Read Failed errors, frequent reboots etc. I contacted Samsung but they gave the same warranty BS. After several back on forth on twitter they agreed to have a look at it for free and provide quote with repair. I sent in the device and I never got contacted by them and device was returned to me after a weeks time with a letter showing screen issue and replacement charge of $70. I raised this with them saying I never got call and again they asked me to send the device back and this was repeated two more times. Fourth time I called them and they agreed to repair it for free. I also sent email to Samsung President Office (did receive call back from them). This time they replaced PBA, Scratched screen and body. Finally I have my Note 4 working without any issues but I lost about an year. Glad I had a backup device.
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Care to share Samsung CEO's email with us as I would like to email them a piece of my mind?

Sure here u go Officeofpresident (at) sea dot samsung dot com

Vaibhavpbhosale said:
Sure here u go Officeofpresident (at) sea dot samsung dot com
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Many thanks indeed. Email sent.....

Aiadi said:
Many thanks indeed. Email sent.....
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Any answer?
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Qualcomm s805 so hot when run, easy die nand like lg g4. Exynos version is better.