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As you guys know, camera performance on the Moto X4, put bluntly, has been less than stellar. Also of note: the Google Camera app (Auto HDR+) has been ported to multiple other Android devices, and it seems as though any device able to utilize the Camera2 API with a Hexagon DSP and Spectra ISP is compatible with the ported camera app. As of a few days ago, the Modded Google Camera ported apk was found to work with the Moto X4, as seen on Reddit in the links below:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ProjectFi/...orted_hdr_pixel_camera_apk_works_for_moto_x4/
https://www.reddit.com/r/MotoX4/comments/77vn3w/psa_google_camera_port_hdr_from_pixel_works_on_x4/
As discussed already, the performance of the Moto X4's camera with the port is much better all round (especially low-light photography) than it is with Motorola's own camera app, which is slow and lacks good processing. Now, listed on some of the posts of the Reddit links above (much more information on the matter there) are links to all of the different apks (some fully functioning, some as test versions, some that are manual and configurable) of the Ported Google Camera app; credits to developers B-S-G and Ivanich for making this possible. Mind you, the most stable apk (Ivanich v1.4 Full PXL2) is configured for the OnePlus 3 most natively, which doesn't seem to support as many newer features of the Google Camera app as the Moto X4 does. That said, if a more stable apk of the ported Google Camera app can be configured to best go along with the hardware of the Moto X4's camera (as has been done with the Xiaomi Mi A1), then for those who aren't concerned about using the secondary camera, there will be a viable option for much improved photography on the Moto X4 as well, that takes advantage of the hardware present more effectively. Again, much more detailed explanation of these concepts on Reddit, in the links provided above. I wanted to bring attention to this for those who are interested over here.
Only deficiency of the apk...
You have the option to delete photos while HDR+ is still processing them. If you do, it seems to get stuck in the notification bar. I don't know if this impacts anything, but just a note.
Great find! Mine comes in tomorrow, and I can't wait to try this out!
I wonder: is anybody working on configuring an apk better suited for the Moto X4's camera hardware, and/or is anyone willing to? As of right now, these are the config options that work most effectively on the Moto X4's hardware (as posted in the r/projectfi [1st] Reddit link):
Phone Model - Nexus 6P. All work here, but the 6P option seems to be the best in low light.
Config camera - Pixel 2017 Zsl HDR #1 and #2 options can crash the app (if you crash it, clear data/cache). All the others seem to work. ZSL is for HDR Auto mode. Pixel 2016 Zsl HDR is most optimal.
Buffers Size - 15 (optimal)
Note: this is the configurable mod below:
https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/...GCB_7.0H_C2API_v.4.0_AllinOne_Full_Manual.apk
crazyates said:
Great find! Mine comes in tomorrow, and I can't wait to try this out!
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When you do try it out, if you can compare picture/video quality to the stock Motorola app, that'd be great, and something I suggest you do anyway to see how you feel about it.
Crashes
Anyone else seeing frequent crashes?
Update: These settings at least seem to keep my moto x4 from crashing for now. I usually can make them happen with some settings by force closing the camera app then starting it again.
Model - 6P
Config camera - Pixel 2017 Hardware Zsl (DR Dogfood)
Buffers size - 15 optimal
Total imagereader image coung - 14 (AllPixel+AllExp)
hdr+ burst frame count - 8 (nexus 6)
Calculation hdr+ image count - Pixel, PixelXL
dirtygreek said:
Anyone else seeing frequent crashes?
Update: These settings at least seem to keep my moto x4 from crashing for now. I usually can make them happen with some settings by force closing the camera app then starting it again.
Model - 6P
Config camera - Pixel 2017 Hardware Zsl (DR Dogfood)
Buffers size - 15 optimal
Total imagereader image coung - 14 (AllPixel+AllExp)
hdr+ burst frame count - 8 (nexus 6)
Calculation hdr+ image count - Pixel, PixelXL
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Those settings work well also, and don't have problems with crashing either.
Can someone please post some comparison shots with motocam vs gcam ? thanks
kraatus90 said:
Can someone please post some comparison shots with motocam vs gcam ? thanks
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See my pics Here.
crazyates said:
See my pics Here.
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Can you try this gcam mod ? set hdr+ to on. and shoot.
https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=889964283620761630
kraatus90 said:
Can you try this gcam mod ? set hdr+ to on. and shoot.
https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=889964283620761630
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That G5 camera crashes instantly when you open it. I'm not sure the G5 camera is the same one we have?
crazyates said:
That G5 camera crashes instantly when you open it. I'm not sure the G5 camera is the same one we have?
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No it's not the same , what you tried was probably gcam4.4 based, the apk i gave link to is based on gcam 4.2 arm version. anyway thanks for trying.
Update: the new Arnova8G2 manual gcam apk works for this device as well. From what I've been told, it provides a similar image quality with better color processing than other gcam ports, and better video quality. This is MUCH better performing in most every aspect that Motorola's stock app. It can be found in the first Reddit link in the original post in this thread (I'm the OP), or directly from here: https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/. The Arnova8G2 manual mod is based off of a newer version of Gcam, that being 5.1.014 I believe, as opposed to 4.2.x, as the BSG and Ivanich mods are based off of.
TurboBot247 said:
Update: the new Arnova8G2 manual gcam apk works for this device as well. From what I've been told, it provides a similar image quality with better color processing than other gcam ports, and better video quality. This is MUCH better performing in most every aspect that Motorola's stock app. It can be found in the first Reddit link in the original post in this thread (I'm the OP), or directly from here: https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/. The Arnova8G2 manual mod is based off of a newer version of Gcam, that being 5.1.014 I believe, as opposed to 4.2.x, as the BSG and Ivanich mods are based off of.
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Thanks! I'll try it out.
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Thanks! I'll try it out.
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So far, how do you feel about the image and video quality with the updated version of this app? Also, how do you feel it stacks up against other devices that you've worked with in the past?
Just tried the newly released v9.1 version. Very impressive with low light indoors. Pictures came out looking like the room was well lit, when it was in fact dimly lit. Also, switching to 60fps on video provides a much brighter/clearer image.
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So far, how do you feel about the image and video quality with the updated version of this app? Also, how do you feel it stacks up against other devices that you've worked with in the past?
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I meant to try it out, but I haven't had the time. I was using the older version of the Gcam to record video at a wedding this past weekend: VERY dark lit dance floor with strobe/lights moving all around, and fast movement. Even at the brightest setting, it was still too dark to see almost anything. I know this is a worst case video scenario, but if the new apk improves video low-light, that would be great!
crazyates said:
I meant to try it out, but I haven't had the time. I was using the older version of the Gcam to record video at a wedding this past weekend: VERY dark lit dance floor with strobe/lights moving all around, and fast movement. Even at the brightest setting, it was still too dark to see almost anything. I know this is a worst case video scenario, but if the new apk improves video low-light, that would be great!
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The Arnova8G2 manual apk should improve the dark image of video in 30FPS, as seen with other mods.
TurboBot247 said:
The Arnova8G2 manual apk should improve the dark image of video in 30FPS, as seen with other mods.
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Need some help here, if you own Android one edition. can you share System/vendor/lib and lib64 folder ? you don't need root for it just copy those folder to internal storage and zip it. you can use free version of solid explorer for it. thanks.
i want to see if there's any difference between retail and android one edition regarding image post processing etc.
kraatus90 said:
Need some help here, if you own Android one edition. can you share System/vendor/lib and lib64 folder ? you don't need root for it just copy those folder to internal storage and zip it. you can use free version of solid explorer for it. thanks.
i want to see if there's any difference between retail and android one edition regarding image post processing etc.
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Nope, don't own one yet. There is no difference in image processing between the two, as they both run the same versions of Motorola's camera software and have the same hardware in tow as well; there'd be no reason for the app to process images differently on the regular version than on the Android One version. They both have poorly optimized camera software in common.
I've tried the Pixel 4 XL, and it is one of the most beautiful phones I have ever seen, I don't use Snapchat much, but when I do use it (I'm on a Note 9) the filters seem to lag a bit, and when I used my friends Pixel 3, Snapchat ran beautifully until i ended up trying to use a filter, it lagged like crazy, way worse than my Note 9, I'm not expecting much of a difference on the Pixel 4, but I want to know if the lag is atleast reduced when using filters. I also know that Snapchat is going to do a major update at the end of this year but I don't know if I should trust them. I'm debating between iPhone 11 Pro and the Pixel 4. I want the Pixel because of Stadia too, my friend has it and Stadia actually ran beautifully, and I saw Red Dead 2 on it and I really want to get a Stadia now, especially since at 1080p Red Dead runs at 60 fps
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I've tried the Pixel 4 XL, and it is one of the most beautiful phones I have ever seen, I don't use Snapchat much, but when I do use it (I'm on a Note 9) the filters seem to lag a bit, and when I used my friends Pixel 3, Snapchat ran beautifully until i ended up trying to use a filter, it lagged like crazy, way worse than my Note 9, I'm not expecting much of a difference on the Pixel 4, but I want to know if the lag is atleast reduced when using filters. I also know that Snapchat is going to do a major update at the end of this year but I don't know if I should trust them. I'm debating between iPhone 11 Pro and the Pixel 4. I want the Pixel because of Stadia too, my friend has it and Stadia actually ran beautifully, and I saw Red Dead 2 on it and I really want to get a Stadia now, especially since at 1080p Red Dead runs at 60 fps
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What do you mean by lag? I will be check it out for you
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What do you mean by lag? I will be check it out for you
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i mean how slow does snapchat run when trying to use the filters? also can you try out an app, like snapchat, called SNOW? it has filters and all, if you dont mind, post a picture of it too, i want to see how grainy and weird the pictures might come out like.
softykoala said:
i mean how slow does snapchat run when trying to use the filters? also can you try out an app, like snapchat, called SNOW? it has filters and all, if you dont mind, post a picture of it too, i want to see how grainy and weird the pictures might come out like.
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Snapchat runs fine when using the filters, don't notice any lag. Don't like the Snow app, it does make the pics grainy
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What do you mean by lag? I will be check it out for you
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p70shooter said:
Snapchat runs fine when using the filters, don't notice any lag. Don't like the Snow app, it does make the pics grainy
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thank you is there any lag when using the age filter?? i would like to see a picture of that too if thats okay. im really thinking about getting the pixel 4 because of the 90Hz display. :crying:
softykoala said:
thank you is there any lag when using the age filter?? i would like to see a picture of that too if thats okay. im really thinking about getting the pixel 4 because of the 90Hz display. :crying:
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Ah! Yep there's definite lag using the age filter but that's the only one, but it is quite bad.
Another thing I noticed with Snapchat is that the zooming seems laggy/jittery both when taking pics and videos...or is it just me?
UPDATE 15 October:
Embargo has now lifted!
I got THREE additional videos now live; the full review, camera, and audio review:
UPDATE 5 October:
I've been informed on 5 Oct to not post anything further on the Pixel 5 until the embargo lifts (which I can't communicate when that is).[/B]
You can find more information about the device via my Twitter feed; incl battery updates, camera shots etc.
Hi everyone,
Seen there's some love for the Pixel 5 here at XDA (Hi again XDA gang!), so as I have the phone in front of me. What do you need to know?
I'm looking to get confirmation from my source to see if I can extract the camera.apk for you, but before sharing any files (including original photos from the Pixel 5), I'm getting it confirmed. Rather be safe than sorry
Anyway, ask away, I'll try my best to answer everything I can.
Oh, and my video on YouTube of the phone (if you don't believe I have the phone), is live on my channel too:
EDIT: Latest YouTube hands-on video has just gone live!
TotallydubbedHD said:
Hi everyone,
Seen there's some love for the Pixel 5 here at XDA (Hi again XDA gang!), so as I have the phone in front of me. What do you need to know?
I'm looking to get confirmation from my source to see if I can extract the camera.apk for you, but before sharing any files (including original photos from the Pixel 5), I'm getting it confirmed. Rather be safe than sorry
Anyway, ask away, I'll try my best to answer everything I can.
Oh, and my video on YouTube of the phone (if you don't believe I have the phone), is live on my channel too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBiRaK3XB5Y
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Can you get into ADB shell and report the output of
Code:
cat /proc/mounts
?
How did you get it? Well, yes, we would all like to take a look at apk gcam
Nice! So heavy is it? Im coming from a Note 9 which is a heavy phone. Hoping the P5 is a little lighter in build. What month security update is it on? What color u got?
TotallydubbedHD said:
Hi everyone,
Seen there's some love for the Pixel 5 here at XDA (Hi again XDA gang!), so as I have the phone in front of me. What do you need to know?
I'm looking to get confirmation from my source to see if I can extract the camera.apk for you, but before sharing any files (including original photos from the Pixel 5), I'm getting it confirmed. Rather be safe than sorry
Anyway, ask away, I'll try my best to answer everything I can.
Oh, and my video on YouTube of the phone (if you don't believe I have the phone), is live on my channel too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBiRaK3XB5Y
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Hey, thanks!
Can you confirm that you can switch to the Ultra Wide Angle camera in third party apps (Snapchat, Instagram, etc) when doing a pinch zoom out?
Is there an Ambient EQ setting in Settings>Display>Advanced?
How much bright display is?
Can you force 90hz from developer settings?
How is haptics?
How is stereo speakers?
How slow it feels to flagship phones like Pixel 4 or Note 20 Ultra? Especially if someone is using 2020 flagship phones.
How does the screen brightness compare to the 4xl?
The wallpapers on the promotional images are included? Can you share? ?
Since you're able to hold it and use it, is it worth the price they are retailing it for ?
How are the stereo speakers, are they comparable to the 3XL ?
How responsive is it ?
How's the feel of the device, slippery or gritty like the renders suggest? Does it support hdmi output from its usb-c port? Still squeezable? Fp gestures for qs return? Pixel visual core is present? Any feature parity between the normal and ultrawide cam? What's the max slo-mo fps? Anything major is missing? And sorry for asking so many questions. ?
topjohnwu said:
Can you get into ADB shell and report the output of
Code:
cat /proc/mounts
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Won't be sharing any finer details until I have confirmation that I can (incl the camera.apk), sorry!
Ershowike said:
How did you get it? Well, yes, we would all like to take a look at apk gcam
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Got it from Vodafone, a mobile provider in the UK.
TokedUp said:
Nice! So heavy is it? Im coming from a Note 9 which is a heavy phone. Hoping the P5 is a little lighter in build. What month security update is it on? What color u got?
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It's in black, as you'll see from the video. and Weight wise it's light
cstark27 said:
Hey, thanks!
Can you confirm that you can switch to the Ultra Wide Angle camera in third party apps (Snapchat, Instagram, etc) when doing a pinch zoom out?
Is there an Ambient EQ setting in Settings>Display>Advanced?
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I don't use Snapchat, so can't comment on that. But on IG I can't zoom out, but can zoom in. Same happens when I'm on the S10+, however.
ismailonrails said:
How much bright display is?
Can you force 90hz from developer settings?
How is haptics?
How is stereo speakers?
How slow it feels to flagship phones like Pixel 4 or Note 20 Ultra? Especially if someone is using 2020 flagship phones.
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It gets REALLY bright, haven't measured it yet - but I suspect it's above 500 nits.
'Smooth Display' can be enabled via the Display options: 60->90Hz automatically.
There's no additional option in the dev settings
Haptics feel natural, nothing to report, other than it's located at the bottom of the phone.
Stereo speakers upon first impressions are pretty poor; they sound tinny. The S10+ trounces it.
Feels fluid so far, but can'#t really pass much judgement as I've only had it for a short time.
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How does the screen brightness compare to the 4xl?
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Didn't get the 4XL, but as mentioned above, it's bright; need to measure it.
meddgab said:
The wallpapers on the promotional images are included? Can you share?
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Can't share anything from the phone until I can say it's safe to do so, sorry!
Chosen_on184 said:
Since you're able to hold it and use it, is it worth the price they are retailing it for ?
How are the stereo speakers, are they comparable to the 3XL ?
How responsive is it ?
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See above on the answers I've given to others
Last question .. is squeeze gone ? meaning squeeze to activate assistant .. I loved this feature on my 3XL
TotallydubbedHD said:
Oh, and my video on YouTube of the phone (if you don't believe I have the phone), is live on my channel too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBiRaK3XB5Y
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Great video, thanks! Please get @topjohnwu those files if possible.
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Last question .. is squeeze gone ? meaning squeeze to activate assistant .. I loved this feature on my 3XL
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Yup, it's no longer there, unfortunately!
Can you check if these two features are present?
New Google Assistant keyboard dictation: https://twitter.com/MishaalRahman/status/1311757613235941377
Back tap gestures (like iOS 14): https://www.xda-developers.com/goog...-tap-gestures-android-11-screenshots-recents/
MishaalRahman said:
Can you check if these two features are present?
New Google Assistant keyboard dictation: https://twitter.com/MishaalRahman/status/1311757613235941377
Back tap gestures (like iOS 14): https://www.xda-developers.com/goog...-tap-gestures-android-11-screenshots-recents/
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I don't use G assistant, but will test at some point.
As for the screenshot: it didn't seem to do anything when I did as the video.
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I don't use G assistant, but will test at some point.
As for the screenshot: it didn't seem to do anything when I did as the video.
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Both features will probably come in a Pixel Feature Drop, then. Thanks for sharing!
How is the screen quality?
IE: coming from a QHD Pixel 4 XL to the FHD Pixel 5?
Add Build.prop file please
What's the screen brightness? Is it brighter than the 4 XL? I have googled everywhere and just no answer about something so important.
Also is the battery life significantly better and do you think it's worth buying coming from a 4 XL?
Edit: nvm just saw your replies! Thank you! Is Ambient EQ available under Settings > Display?
It's not listed on the Store site which is suspicious.
Hi
what are the advantages of pixel 5 against onePlus 8 pro?
Thank you
I7210I said:
Hi
what are the advantages of pixel 5 against onePlus 8 pro?
Thank you
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Updates I'm on 7t pro soon as 8 come out they drop the last phone
jaythenut said:
Updates I'm on 7t pro soon as 8 come out they drop the last phone
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onePlus droped the updates as soon as the 8 comes out?
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I7210I said:
onePlus droped the updates as soon as the 8 comes out?
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OnePlus 6T user here migrating to a Pixel 5. OnePlus updates slow significantly over time. 18th months after device launch your phone is 3rd tier for their development team. Below is the device update history from T-Mobile for the OnePlus 6T. Notice the change in release frequency from launch till current. I'm buying the Pixel 5 because of poor update support from OnePlus. Samsung has superior device software support to OnePlus.
https://www.t-mobile.com/support/devices/android/oneplus-6t/software-updates-oneplus-6t
interest , i thought that onePlus won't do such things, i thought that they will not leave the users
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I7210I said:
Hi
what are the advantages of pixel 5 against onePlus 8 pro?
Thank you
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Advantages are
1 .Camera
2.software
3. Updates
cultofluna said:
Advantages are
1 .Camera
2.software
3. Updates
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as far as i saw from camera examples, the differences for regular people where not compare to SLR cameras are not so high , they improve the camera at the onePlus 8 pro, do i wrong?
about the updates, the onePlus 8 pro have the android 11 , the onePlus 7 have the android 10 and will get in month or two the android 11, also the onePlus 6 as far as i read, so whats the big deal?
at the other hand we are getting higher battery size, stronger processor, and larger screen , isn't it?
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I7210I said:
as far as i saw from camera examples, the differences for regular people where not compare to SLR cameras are not so high , they improve the camera at the onePlus 8 pro, do i wrong?
about the updates, the onePlus 8 pro have the android 11 , the onePlus 7 have the android 10 and will get in month or two the android 11, also the onePlus 6 as far as i read, so whats the big deal?
at the other hand we are getting higher battery size, stronger processor, and larger screen , isn't it?
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I have the 8pro..
Still..
1Pixel camera is Better
2software us undeniable better( mother Google..THEY are making the software)
3 every month the same date and time comes update for all Google phones...( No one can or doing this)
And don't forget pixel takes update and rest of the phones are following...
You ask about advantages on Pixel...
Of course are also disanvantages.....but you didn't ask about it...
cultofluna said:
I have the 8pro..
Still..
1Pixel camera is Better
2software us undeniable better( mother Google..THEY are making the software)
3 every month the same date and time comes update for all Google phones...( No one can or doing this)
And don't forget pixel takes update and rest of the phones are following...
You ask about advantages on Pixel...
Of course are also disanvantages.....but you didn't ask about it...
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OK so what are the disadvantages?
Also, the camera is with such difference?!
software updates every months is more security, when there is major update(version) it is going to OnePlus too as far as i saw
I7210I said:
OK so what are the disadvantages?
Also, the camera is with such difference?!
software updates every months is more security, when there is major update(version) it is going to OnePlus too as far as i saw
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The oneplus does not have official 11, it's just a beta release
-P5 is a more managable size.
-Updates, 3 years of updates too.
-I've never ran OxygenOS on my OP6 because I've always had issues with it not giving me timely notifications. People probably think I'm crazy when I say that but AOSP roms don't have that issue for me. I'd prefer to run stock, maybe rooted at this point.
-Camera
Gibsonflyingv said:
-P5 is a more managable size.
-Updates, 3 years of updates too.
-I've never ran OxygenOS on my OP6 because I've always had issues with it not giving me timely notifications. People probably think I'm crazy when I say that but AOSP roms don't have that issue for me. I'd prefer to run stock, maybe rooted at this point.
-Camera
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onePlus are not update the devices?
managable size is each hand different per person i guess.
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I7210I said:
onePlus are not update the devices?
managable size is each hand different per person i guess.
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Oneplus only does 2 years.
and what are the disadvantages of the p5?
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I7210I said:
and what are the disadvantages of the p5?
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Disanvantages p5 vs OP8PRO
1. SD 765 vs SD 865 ( way more powerful SoC on the 8pro)
2. FHD/90hz vs QHD/120hz
On all other aspects P5 is better ( software is the big advantage for the pixel5 , where Google is unbeatable)
cultofluna said:
Disanvantages p5 vs OP8PRO
1. SD 765 vs SD 865 ( way more powerful SoC on the 8pro)
2. FHD/90hz vs QHD/120hz
On all other aspects P5 is better ( software is the big advantage for the pixel5 , where Google is unbeatable)
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battery also bigger at the OP8PRO
it's a big difference about the SoC?
and about the software, the Oxygen is not relayable on the vanila android?
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cultofluna said:
Disanvantages p5 vs OP8PRO
1. SD 765 vs SD 865 ( way more powerful SoC on the 8pro)
2. FHD/90hz vs QHD/120hz
On all other aspects P5 is better ( software is the big advantage for the pixel5 , where Google is unbeatable)
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3. camera sensor is butt old and lens is medicore - its all just software (which has its limits, that in my opinion already were reached 1-2 years ago, but some people always will disagree because they "like what they see and think the past equals the present and the future")
4. no telezoom lens, for thats quite a big negative no matter if it's just 2x or 5x optically there are many many situations that such a lens is usefull for anyone
5. these updates - are enforced, so you're constantly nagged and maybe at a time even forced ("auto updates") to take them even if you know they're unstable despite being marked as stable (and they were for months f.e. on the Pixel 3a - 9>10 and now again 10>11 - just google yourself ). That got worse on Android 10 and likely will on Android 11 and 12 (for the better or worse of it) ...
6. google support is horrible
as for 5+6 - some examples:
https://support.google.com/pixelphone/thread/70324090?hl=en
https://support.google.com/pixelphone/thread/69968712?hl=en
https://www.reddit.com/r/android_beta/comments/h0qznb/any_major_issues_so_far_on_android_11_beta/
https://www.gizchina.com/2020/09/26...sh-broken-multitasking-black-screen-flickers/
... and countless others if you search on Reddit. So yes there are downsides (!), especially regarding software (ironically).
Only buy when you can live with that (not saying it's unmanageable, just being honest).
Another example:
Android 11 made matters worse in that they don't allow apps to access storage outside of their domain. So naturally you're forced to Android 11 and get lots of apps that are now incompatible (Stable not Beta). That in itself isn't bad - what's happening is by using the Pixel-Line you're basically a Beta-Testers for Google. All other vendors may adapt slower, but also will have less bugs solved by the time it reaches you. If you can life with that it's fine. I rather don't do that anymore.
Also using their beta builds and release candidates go so far as destroying their phones in an unrecoverable state (and interestingly all searches on Google regarding that lead to nowhere now, but I know it was quite a big thing from 9>10 back then). Thanks to hardware encryption with the Titan M that will like be worse in the future ... I don't trust Google any longer to be honest. Which saddens me, because I'd still like the Pixel line to be better and ... in the end Adroid being more successfull. But for me Google is becoming really evil, that includes Guerillia Marketing, but that's just my personal opinion that I don't want to reflect here ...
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3. camera sensor is butt old and lens is medicore - its all just software (which has its limits, that in my opinion already were reached 1-2 years ago, but some people always will disagree because they "like what they see and think the past equals the present and the future")
4. no telezoom lens, for thats quite a big negative no matter if it's just 2x or 5x optically there are many many situations that such a lens is usefull for anyone
5. these updates - are enforced, so you're constantly nagged and maybe at a time even forced ("auto updates") to take them even if you know they're unstable despite being marked as stable (and they were for months f.e. on the Pixel 3a - 9>10 and now again 10>11 - just google yourself ). That got worse on Android 10 and likely will on Android 11 and 12 (for the better or worse of it) ...
6. google support is horrible
as for 5+6 - some examples:
https://support.google.com/pixelphone/thread/70324090?hl=en
https://support.google.com/pixelphone/thread/69968712?hl=en
https://www.reddit.com/r/android_beta/comments/h0qznb/any_major_issues_so_far_on_android_11_beta/
https://www.gizchina.com/2020/09/26...sh-broken-multitasking-black-screen-flickers/
... and countless others if you search on Reddit. So yes there are downsides (!), especially regarding software (ironically).
Only buy when you can live with that (not saying it's unmanageable, just being honest).
Another example:
Android 11 made matters worse in that they don't allow apps to access storage outside of their domain. So naturally you're forced to Android 11 and get lots of apps that are now incompatible (Stable not Beta). That in itself isn't bad - what's happening is by using the Pixel-Line you're basically a Beta-Testers for Google. All other vendors may adapt slower, but also will have less bugs solved by the time it reaches you. If you can life with that it's fine. I rather don't do that anymore.
Also using their beta builds and release candidates go so far as destroying their phones in an unrecoverable state (and interestingly all searches on Google regarding that lead to nowhere now, but I know it was quite a big thing from 9>10 back then). Thanks to hardware encryption with the Titan M that will like be worse in the future ... I don't trust Google any longer to be honest. Which saddens me, because I'd still like the Pixel line to be better and ... in the end Adroid being more successfull. But for me Google is becoming really evil, that includes Guerillia Marketing, but that's just my personal opinion that I don't want to reflect here ...
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Oneplus 8pro has only better Soc.. that's it..
Never had pixel actually ( last four years only OnePlus..)
Still believe due to superior software pixels are better
cultofluna said:
Oneplus 8pro has only better Soc.. that's it..
Never had pixel actually ( last four years only OnePlus..)
Still believe due to superior software pixels are better
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so why OPO and no pixels in 4 years?
And i agree that software have it's own limitations like hardware but lets say that beside camera what else we have?
also i swaw that pixels till now had at the proccessor have Pixel Neural Core™ what in pixel 5 not appear as far as i saw, maybe these is big change?
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The oneplus does not have official 11, it's just a beta release
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Now it's official
I have an Xperia 1 ii which I do really like, I've always enjoyed Sony phones and I really like the look and feel of it. The long display is great for me, the storage (plus option of an SD card) is good and the battery is OK.*
I am by no means an expert photographer but the camera on a phone is one of the main draws for me on a phone. Whilst I have been able to capture some nice shots on my Xperia, I have found the point and shoot camera to be very hit and miss and definitely lacking either under artificial light or at night. It certainly feels like a stepdown from the camera on my old P20 Pro.
Given this, I am considering trading in my Xperia and switching to the Pixel 5, predominantly*for the camera and also taking advantage of the Bose preorder offer. From what I can see, the main downgrades would be a stepdown in processor, smaller screen and reduction in storage size (with no SD option). The latter could be a slight barrier as I am currently using 122GB of storage on my Xperia (I like to keep a fair chunk of music offline) so this would basically max out the Pixel.
It would be helpful to hear the views of any Xperia and/or Pixel owners or just any community experts who know a lot more than me!
Well, considering you've used the 1ii, you know that the form factor and processing power are quite good. You won't get either on the Pixel. The camera on the Pixel may be better set up for point and shoot, yes. I've found the 1ii's point and shooting abilities to be good, and of course you lose some of the benefits of manual RAW tweaking if that is up your alley. Further, the 1ii has a telephoto lens, while the P5 lacks one entirely, so if you like zooming in on stuff the Sony is the way to go. And there is absolutely no way you can store 122GB of music on a 128GB Pixel. Remember, a number of GB are taken up by the system (and then your apps).
As a former Pixel user, the Xperia has a different feel for its photos, being more neutral, for instance, but I've come to enjoy it. That said, the Pixel camera gets better night mode results. Still, a port of GCam is in the works (WHEN it may come is up in the air). Once it eventually comes out, the advantages of the Pixel will be available on the 1ii (so, let's go Arnova!)
(There is a GCam 5 you can check out, linked in some other posts, though I've found it to be hit or miss stability wise.)
nebula9 said:
Well, considering you've used the 1ii, you know that the form factor and processing power are quite good. You won't get either on the Pixel. The camera on the Pixel may be better set up for point and shoot, yes. I've found the 1ii's point and shooting abilities to be good, and of course you lose some of the benefits of manual RAW tweaking if that is up your alley. Further, the 1ii has a telephoto lens, while the P5 lacks one entirely, so if you like zooming in on stuff the Sony is the way to go. And there is absolutely no way you can store 122GB of music on a 128GB Pixel. Remember, a number of GB are taken up by the system (and then your apps).
As a former Pixel user, the Xperia has a different feel for its photos, being more neutral, for instance, but I've come to enjoy it. That said, the Pixel camera gets better night mode results. Still, a port of GCam is in the works (WHEN it may come is up in the air). Once it eventually comes out, the advantages of the Pixel will be available on the 1ii (so, let's go Arnova!)
(There is a GCam 5 you can check out, linked in some other posts, though I've found it to be hit or miss stability wise.)
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Thanks a lot for the feedback. I have been following the Gcam thread for the Xperia 1ii having been very excited about it but it doesn't appear to be imminent any time soon (that's not a criticism at all, the guys trying to develop it sound amazing) so I'm wary about waiting more months to see if that comes good. I think I might pre order a Pixel and if I'm not enjoying it in the first 14 days, return it and go back to the Xperia.
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Thanks a lot for the feedback. I have been following the Gcam thread for the Xperia 1ii having been very excited about it but it doesn't appear to be imminent any time soon (that's not a criticism at all, the guys trying to develop it sound amazing) so I'm wary about waiting more months to see if that comes good. I think I might pre order a Pixel and if I'm not enjoying it in the first 14 days, return it and go back to the Xperia.
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You can check out the Gcam 5 thread. I find that it works pretty well (the MGC variant), but only for the main and selfie cameras. You may need to fiddle with the settings for best stability and results, though.
Based on my testing, the Pixel 4 produced better quality photos in almost every setting that wasn't perfectly lit. Sony grabs amazing detail in perfect lighting, but only in raw.
Unfortunately the two phones are apples and oranges. One's a manual shooter while the other's a point and click. Neither one is great at doing the other, seeing as Sony's post-processing is downright garbage. Gcam on the Sony would be nice, but it seems like development on this phone is completely dead. We don't even have a recompiled kernel yet, let alone a working Gcam 7.x.
Just know that the Pixel 5 will not have a 2x zoom lens. That's a big downgrade from the Pixel 4, where it made a huge difference.
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Well, considering you've used the 1ii, you know that the form factor and processing power are quite good. You won't get either on the Pixel. The camera on the Pixel may be better set up for point and shoot, yes. I've found the 1ii's point and shooting abilities to be good, and of course you lose some of the benefits of manual RAW tweaking if that is up your alley. Further, the 1ii has a telephoto lens, while the P5 lacks one entirely, so if you like zooming in on stuff the Sony is the way to go. And there is absolutely no way you can store 122GB of music on a 128GB Pixel. Remember, a number of GB are taken up by the system (and then your apps).
As a former Pixel user, the Xperia has a different feel for its photos, being more neutral, for instance, but I've come to enjoy it. That said, the Pixel camera gets better night mode results. Still, a port of GCam is in the works (WHEN it may come is up in the air). Once it eventually comes out, the advantages of the Pixel will be available on the 1ii (so, let's go Arnova!)
(There is a GCam 5 you can check out, linked in some other posts, though I've found it to be hit or miss stability wise.)
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Just for information, Pixels also can shoot in RAW. Even my old Pixel 3 can do it.
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YandereSan said:
Based on my testing, the Pixel 4 produced better quality photos in almost every setting that wasn't perfectly lit. Sony grabs amazing detail in perfect lighting, but only in raw.
Unfortunately the two phones are apples and oranges. One's a manual shooter while the other's a point and click. Neither one is great at doing the other, seeing as Sony's post-processing is downright garbage. Gcam on the Sony would be nice, but it seems like development on this phone is completely dead. We don't even have a recompiled kernel yet, let alone a working Gcam 7.x.
Just know that the Pixel 5 will not have a 2x zoom lens. That's a big downgrade from the Pixel 4, where it made a huge difference.
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I can confirm exactly the same experience on my Pixel 4XL against Xperia 1 and 5 (apart from RAW part which is missing on those Sony phones). My Xperia failed to deliver good photos at not perfect light condition. Night shots were unusable without using a tripod. And yes, Sony's post-processing seems simply doesn't exist which is not wise idea when it comes to tiny lenses of smartphones. I guess that inability to implement proper post-processing led Sony to these fully Manual control camera-phones with reference to creativity etc . That's just pathetic, sorry.