Here is something really messed up. I really am interested in current events and news; I like alternative news and websites. I like custom things, which is why I customize my phone and come here. Charlie Veitch is a current events activist/funny guy. Charlie Veitch is one of the nicest people in the entire planet! Check out his videos on YouTube, he is totally funny, and the Canadian police arrested him for "impersonating a police officer". He calls himself "The Love Police" and so they said that he was impersonating a police officer so they arrested him, he is facing jail time.
This is messed.
His Arrest.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2010/06/30/g20-veith.html
G20 Toronto - The Love Police Arrested (Part 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bimkiWhfSD0&feature=related
G20 Toronto - The Love Police Arrested (Part 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stzTeJuBI7M&feature=related
Yes, he is released on bail. - I hope he doesn't come back to Canada, cuz those cops will throw him in jail forever.
http://www.citytv.com/toronto/cityn...impersonating-police-officer-released-on-bail
-Ki|ihari.
He did make a little mistake in his verbiage at 6:23 of video one. And I get it. But I hope there is a group of people that stand outside his house with a megaphone in the morning. I was annoyed by 4:30 in the video. The mall was poor taste.
good day.
Amazing though....
I do see your point... however if a person is dumb enough to believe that he is with MI5, then that person should not be working as a cop. So he says that he is working for the British Secret Police MI5 in a joint operation with the Canadian government as an agent provocateur, and the stupid Canadian security officer actually thought he was MI5? This is what they are getting him for?
Also, if I saw this guy in a mall spouting off his comedy filled banter like he usually does, I would be asking for an autograph.
Where is people's heads?
This is Canada? Surly this is not the Canada I grew up in. People used to feel a sense of security when they police were around, now all we feel is fear.
-Kilihari.
In all the interviews of James Cameron regarding his movie Avatar, never does he mention, nor has any interviewer asked him the question - What is his real inspiration of using the name "Avatar", Blue Skin Aliens, who also fly on Large birds???
The answer is very obvious to anybody who knows world history, but I wonder why James Cameron is shying away from it????
Yeah, there was some news about it for giving the credit and all and then it faded away just in a few days.
Well I have no idea what the origin is, that you are implying he stole the plot from. Or is it just the name? Either way please do tell.
In his interview [linked below] he kinda' touches on what inspired him to do Avatar... the under-water world. Watch & listen for more information:
http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpp/buzz/avatar-james-cameron
It's not a full interview, only a few minutes long, but he does kinda' hint to the question being asked in the first post.
Agent Zach said:
In his interview [linked below] he kinda' touches on what inspired him to do Avatar... the under-water world. Watch & listen for more information:
http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpp/buzz/avatar-james-cameron
It's not a full interview, only a few minutes long, but he does kinda' hint to the question being asked in the first post.
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That is just a smoke screen.
bbobeckyj - Well I have no idea what the origin is, that you are implying he stole the plot from. Or is it just the name? Either way please do tell.
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Since you asked, I will tell you.
Avatar is a sanskrit word "Avatar or Avatāra (Devanagari अवतार, Sanskrit for "descent" [viz., from heaven to earth]) refers to a deliberate descent of a deity from heaven to earth, and is mostly translated into English as "incarnation", but more accurately as "appearance" or "manifestation" (ref: wikipedia).
He also fails to mention that the concept of Avatar, which according to Hindus, is a Human being form that the God uses to descend to Earth, mingles with the Humans and helps the Humans by freeing them of the evil that is rampant. Isn't that what the main character essentially ends up doing in his film?
What about the Blue skin color? That is also a rip-off from the Hindu Avatar of Lord Krishna, who is a blue skinned Avatar of Lord Vishnu, came to earth to help fight for the truth and liberate us from the evil. (see my avatar - That is Lord Krishna).
Now I do not want this topic to turn in to a religious topic, but I sincerely believe that where credit is due, one should not shy away from it. I love James Cameron and I love all his movies, but just not able to understand why he does not give the credit where it is due.
It is also right that people I hang out with and who are unaware of this injustice should be educated to understand what is reality.
Thanks!
Could it not just be simple?
"Avatar: a graphical image that represents a person, as on the Internet. " - Dictionary.com
So basically, his avatar (which is whats its refered to in the film) is just a representation of him in a different form other than a person.
Heck, avatars are used all over the internet, so why not in a film in a real world sense?
Well, i maybe completely wrong, but then we don't know the facts yet!
Just my 2 cents, as its never been offically explained
chikoo said:
That is just a smoke screen.
Since you asked, I will tell you.
Avatar is a sanskrit word "Avatar or Avatāra (Devanagari अवतार, Sanskrit for "descent" [viz., from heaven to earth]) refers to a deliberate descent of a deity from heaven to earth, and is mostly translated into English as "incarnation", but more accurately as "appearance" or "manifestation" (ref: wikipedia).
He also fails to mention that the concept of Avatar, which according to Hindus, is a Human being form that the God uses to descend to Earth, mingles with the Humans and helps the Humans by freeing them of the evil that is rampant. Isn't that what the main character essentially ends up doing in his film?
What about the Blue skin color? That is also a rip-off from the Hindu Avatar of Lord Krishna, who is a blue skinned Avatar of Lord Vishnu, came to earth to help fight for the truth and liberate us from the evil. (see my avatar - That is Lord Krishna).
Now I do not want this topic to turn in to a religious topic, but I sincerely believe that where credit is due, one should not shy away from it. I love James Cameron and I love all his movies, but just not able to understand why he does not give the credit where it is due.
It is also right that people I hang out with and who are unaware of this injustice should be educated to understand what is reality.
Thanks!
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Well I agree with him.
I hate people who steal others ideas (not specifically aimed at James Cameron). Just watched Flash of Genius.
And please don't start a 'war of words' on this.
Peace V
Am i the only person not to have seen this film? Is it worth it?
(Sorry for taking off topic, off topic....)
But I also do not like it when people don't proportion credit to where it should go, I bet he would have been more then happy to proportion blame?
chikoo said:
That is just a smoke screen.
Since you asked, I will tell you.
Avatar is a sanskrit word "Avatar or Avatāra (Devanagari अवतार, Sanskrit for "descent" [viz., from heaven to earth]) refers to a deliberate descent of a deity from heaven to earth, and is mostly translated into English as "incarnation", but more accurately as "appearance" or "manifestation" (ref: wikipedia).
He also fails to mention that the concept of Avatar, which according to Hindus, is a Human being form that the God uses to descend to Earth, mingles with the Humans and helps the Humans by freeing them of the evil that is rampant. Isn't that what the main character essentially ends up doing in his film?
What about the Blue skin color? That is also a rip-off from the Hindu Avatar of Lord Krishna, who is a blue skinned Avatar of Lord Vishnu, came to earth to help fight for the truth and liberate us from the evil. (see my avatar - That is Lord Krishna).
Now I do not want this topic to turn in to a religious topic, but I sincerely believe that where credit is due, one should not shy away from it. I love James Cameron and I love all his movies, but just not able to understand why he does not give the credit where it is due.
It is also right that people I hang out with and who are unaware of this injustice should be educated to understand what is reality.
Thanks!
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OK, thanks.
I understand what you are saying, but I think that you're thinking about it too much.
There are no doubt plenty of science fiction books which are many years old which have a similar theme of a person control a remote entity (be it mechanical or biological) so I don't think that he needs to give credit to any other stories.
When I initially heard of Avatar, I immediately thought of Joe Haldeman's Forever War and Forever Peace books.
Off the top of my head, maybe he should give Charlie Kauffman a credit also, for the idea of possessing another body in Being John Malcovich.
Then another credit to the first scientists / sci-fi writers who first conceptualised genetic engineering and cloning.
JRR Tolkien for people riding giant eagles.
The smirfs for blue people.
Any number of pre industrial peoples for the use of bows and arrows...
Where do you stop?!
Also you mentioned world history?
Avatar is nothing more than a rip off of "Fern Gully - The Last Rain Forrest"....
@ the guy whos never seen it........ Dont bother, its 2.5 hours of your life you'll never get back........
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OK, thanks.
I understand what you are saying, but I think that you're thinking about it too much.
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Probably so. I was excited to listen to James Cameron's interview and after 1 hour I was like dude....how come he mentions every freaking movie and the Vietnam war and the American-Indian(Red Indian) injustice and what-not as part of the plot. But he does not mention the meaning of the word Avatar. Why????
bbobeckyj said:
Off the top of my head, maybe he should give Charlie Kauffman a credit also, for the idea of possessing another body in Being John Malcovich.
Then another credit to the first scientists / sci-fi writers who first conceptualised genetic engineering and cloning.
JRR Tolkien for people riding giant eagles.
The smirfs for blue people.
Any number of pre industrial peoples for the use of bows and arrows...
Where do you stop?!
Also you mentioned world history?
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Agreed. But see this formula
Avatar + Blue Skin + Savior = Hindu Mythology of Lord krishna
Avatar is a Sanskrit word (Sanskrit is the original @3500 years old language of the Hindus), Some insights about Sanskrit here
You speak of cloning. That was also part of the Hindu Mahabharata Epic. Actually that book contains Artificial insemination, Cloning (the queen has 100 sons by breaking up the 1 egg she has), Flying machines (Vimana), Missiles, and last but not the least the Atomic Bomb (called Brahmastra..more here). This book is the mother-lode of all Sci-fi authors.
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Am i the only person not to have seen this film? Is it worth it?
(Sorry for taking off topic, off topic....)
But I also do not like it when people don't proportion credit to where it should go, I bet he would have been more then happy to proportion blame?
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It is a brilliant film. I love it.
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Am i the only person not to have seen this film? Is it worth it?
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I didn't see it until it came out on DVD, and it is indeed a great film, but not all its hyped up to me imo.
may continue to give it a miss then, unless I wind up with a free copy, and a blue ray player...
Thanks for the opinions
chikoo said:
Probably so. I was excited to listen to James Cameron's interview and after 1 hour I was like dude....how come he mentions every freaking movie and the Vietnam war and the American-Indian(Red Indian) injustice and what-not as part of the plot. But he does not mention the meaning of the word Avatar. Why????
Agreed. But see this formula
Avatar + Blue Skin + Savior = Hindu Mythology of Lord krishna
Avatar is a Sanskrit word (Sanskrit is the original @3500 years old language of the Hindus), Some insights about Sanskrit here
You speak of cloning. That was also part of the Hindu Mahabharata Epic. Actually that book contains Artificial insemination, Cloning (the queen has 100 sons by breaking up the 1 egg she has), Flying machines (Vimana), Missiles, and last but not the least the Atomic Bomb (called Brahmastra..more here). This book is the mother-lode of all Sci-fi authors.
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Maybe he doesn't give the credit you expect for a very simple reason: That he was unaware if the etymology of the word avatar.
We don't say 'gay' when we mean 'happy', there are many more words which have changed use over time. If all writers had to give credits for words 3500 years old...
He had also made more than one film where the simple title refers to a character(s), [the] terminator; aliens; abyss; titanic.
He has simply chosen a punchy title easily remembered by the public.
As someone one said, ' there are no original stories left, it's how you tell them '
Being blue is irrelevant to the story, there are several avatars in the film, he hardly saves all his friends, and most (all?) religions have a savoir who does god's will.
bbobeckyj said:
Maybe he doesn't give the credit you expect for a very simple reason: That he was unaware if the etymology of the word avatar.
We don't say 'gay' when we mean 'happy', there are many more words which have changed use over time. If all writers had to give credits for words 3500 years old...
He had also made more than one film where the simple title refers to a character(s), [the] terminator; aliens; abyss; titanic.
He has simply chosen a punchy title easily remembered by the public.
As someone one said, ' there are no original stories left, it's how you tell them '
Being blue is irrelevant to the story, there are several avatars in the film, he hardly saves all his friends, and most (all?) religions have a savoir who does god's will.
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Oh I wish he did not know the meaning.
Know James Cameron and his work, he very certainly knows the meaning.
He researches his work very well. There is no denying that.
Avatar is hardly an English word. The word is 3500 years old and still in use today. It is not as as if it is a forgotten word of a forgotten language.
James' Avatar hardly saves all his friends...well that is exactly how the Avatar in Hindu mythology works. He does not save everybody, at least not as a mission.....but certainly makes sure that the evil is taken care (viz crushed, finished, killed...), and in turn saves the rest of the humankind.
See, one more similarity. Thanks for bringing it up.
chikoo said:
That is just a smoke screen.
Since you asked, I will tell you.
Avatar is a sanskrit word "Avatar or Avatāra (Devanagari अवतार, Sanskrit for "descent" [viz., from heaven to earth]) refers to a deliberate descent of a deity from heaven to earth, and is mostly translated into English as "incarnation", but more accurately as "appearance" or "manifestation" (ref: wikipedia).
He also fails to mention that the concept of Avatar, which according to Hindus, is a Human being form that the God uses to descend to Earth, mingles with the Humans and helps the Humans by freeing them of the evil that is rampant. Isn't that what the main character essentially ends up doing in his film?
What about the Blue skin color? That is also a rip-off from the Hindu Avatar of Lord Krishna, who is a blue skinned Avatar of Lord Vishnu, came to earth to help fight for the truth and liberate us from the evil. (see my avatar - That is Lord Krishna).
Now I do not want this topic to turn in to a religious topic, but I sincerely believe that where credit is due, one should not shy away from it. I love James Cameron and I love all his movies, but just not able to understand why he does not give the credit where it is due.
It is also right that people I hang out with and who are unaware of this injustice should be educated to understand what is reality.
Thanks!
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And here I thought it was a modern "pochahantas". I probably didn't spell that right.
Sent from my ROOTED x10a!
Avatar made by me!
Keegan_P said:
And here I thought it was a modern "pochahantas". I probably didn't spell that right.
Sent from my ROOTED x10a!
Avatar made by me!
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Right!
That is where he wants the people to believe his storyline is coming from.....the old red indians, the vietnam war, la la.....
chikoo said:
Oh I wish he did not know the meaning.
Know James Cameron and his work, he very certainly knows the meaning.
He researches his work very well. There is no denying that.
Avatar is hardly an English word. The word is 3500 years old and still in use today. It is not as as if it is a forgotten word of a forgotten language.
James' Avatar hardly saves all his friends...well that is exactly how the Avatar in Hindu mythology works. He does not save everybody, at least not as a mission.....but certainly makes sure that the evil is taken care (viz crushed, finished, killed...), and in turn saves the rest of the humankind.
See, one more similarity. Thanks for bringing it up.
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I don't see it. how can he research science fiction?!!
this is coincidence, nothing more. and an example of religious believers retrofitting their theology to what they want or think fits it (groundhog day is another example, where on the dvd the director tells how many believers claimed it as an example of their faiths). no matter what I, or anyone says, you will use it as further proof.
Also, why would he intentionally lie about it? it surves no purpose.
bbobeckyj said:
I don't see it. how can he research science fiction?!!
this is coincidence, nothing more. and an example of religious believers retrofitting their theology to what they want or think fits it (groundhog day is another example, where on the dvd the director tells how many believers claimed it as an example of their faiths). no matter what I, or anyone says, you will use it as further proof.
Also, why would he intentionally lie about it? it surves no purpose.
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#1. If he really did not know the meaning of Avatar, then he has lost me as his audience. But that is not the case. He does know the meaning. In his story Jake embodies the Blue Avatar body and gains entry to the world of Na' vi. The same exact way the Hindu God Vishnu gains entry to the Human world in a Human Body of Krishna. I would not have had such an issue if James Cameron would have called it say "Spirit Within" or some such name. No. He had to use the word Avatar. That confirms that he knows the word and he understand it's etymology.
Hi All
I very rarely post much on these forums but am hoping for anyone reading this if you can help a little in the following:
As some may know the Hillsborough Anniversary is again fast approaching, on April 15th 1989 96 Liverpool Fans tragically lost their lives that day and after a long & frustrating 22 years the families of those lost are still fighting for the justice that they and the 96 lost deserve, for more information regarding this please follow this link: Welcome to The Hillsborough Justice Campaign
Shortly following the disaster The Sun, one of the biggest selling tabloid newspapers in the UK printed many lies about that tragic day, putting the blame squarely on Liverpool fans and their supposed atrocious behavior, of course all those were sick, vile lies and since that day, Liverpool fans & Liverpudlians including the Everton fanbase have seeked to Boycott that vile newspaper whom still have yet to make any form of sincere apology.
If I can ask for one simple favour; Stephen Smith is a very talented music artist who recently released his album 'Next Train to Nowhere' on the album contains the song 'Liar, Liar' of which he has just released Monday gone (April 4th) in attempt to get it into the charts for the week leading upto the Hillsborough Disaster & there's also been a campaign by fellow Liverpool fans to help get the song into the charts and to raise awareness of not only the lies told by The Sun but to maybe even bring that deserved justice to those family members that one step closer to reality.
We ask that for just a paltry sum of 0.79p to download the song of which as mentioned above can really help bring awareness of the tragedy and what befalled it to a much wider audience and push that fight for justice one step closer to completion.
Not only will you be massively helping families who are still grieving to this day as they still have yet to receive the closure their loved ones deserved but the song in itself is worth purchasing alone written & performed by an exepetionally talented musician.
All proceeds from Liar Liar will be donated to the Hillsborough Family Support Group, Hope for Hillsborough and the Hillsborough Justice Campaign.
Here are the download links:
ITunes - Stephen Smith - Liar, Liar
Amazon.co.uk - Stephen Smith - Liar, Liar
Here's the music video:
Stephen Smith - Liar, Liar
Here's the Facebook Group:
Get 'Liar Liar' into the charts for April 10th
And finally here's Stephen's Website:
http://www.stephensmithmusic.co.uk/#
Apologies also for such a long winded post, thank you for taking the time read this.
JFT96
YNWA
PS: It is sadly currently languishing at 266 in the top300, we need one almighty push up the charts, if you do have the time please Tweet & Facebook this to anyone you know, thanks again for taking the time to read this.
bought.
JFT96!
RIP.
On that sad day, my grandfather, auntie, two uncles and my uncles friend went to watch their team play a game. Only four returned home again.
The events of that day are widely reported and I've never heard them speak of their ordeal.
One of my earliest memories of my uncle was him on crutches for so long afterwards.
You'll never walk alone.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsborough_disaster#The_Sun_newspaper
Kevin MacKenzie was the editor at the Heliograph who would invent stories
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelvin_MacKenzie#Invented_stories
"When I published those stories, they were not lies. They were great stories that later turned out to be untrue — and that is different. What am I supposed to feel ashamed about?"
Hey folks!
I dunno why, but I had something pop into my head on my way to work today, and I thought I'd ask you fine folks.
This question is directed at British, Australian, and New Zealander members of XDA.
Let us assume you're in a conversation with someone, and they either use the term:
A. Footballer
B. Football Player
Would you automatically assume if they said "footballer" they were referring to that sport which you folks call "football" and we Americans call "soccer", but if the person had said "football player" would you assume they meant American Football?
Thanks in advance!
I'd think English football for both We don't really do American Football haha
Oh, ok.
I know you guys aren't necessarily going to be "into" American Football. lol...
I just didn't know if you considered one or the other to be exclusive.
My ex-girlfriend taught me, for instance, that "rooting for one's team" in Brit/Aussie circles would have a, *ahem* completely different meaning than it does here in the U.S. I didn't know if you had the same degree of differentiation for what you call your athletes.
Groovy. Thanks!
SciFiSurfer said:
Oh, ok.
I know you guys aren't necessarily going to be "into" American Football. lol...
I just didn't know if you considered one or the other to be exclusive.
My ex-girlfriend taught me, for instance, that "rooting for one's team" in Brit/Aussie circles would have a, *ahem* completely different meaning than it does here in the U.S. I didn't know if you had the same degree of differentiation for what you call your athletes.
Groovy. Thanks!
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Haha Okay, Wait are you sure? When someone says youre rooting for a team or whatever it means supporting
We usually refer to your version of football as;
"Stop And Go Shiny Helmet Carry Ball"
Sometimes shortened to "American Football"
Go Packers
Also, last I heard football was over because all the players are too busy sleeping with prostitutes to actually play football anymore. That could just be the BBC/Daily Mail scaremongering though.
conantroutman said:
We usually refer to your version of football as;
"Stop And Go Shiny Helmet Carry Ball"
Sometimes shortened to "American Football"
Go Packers
Also, last I heard football was over because all the players are too busy sleeping with prostitutes to actually play football anymore. That could just be the BBC/Daily Mail scaremongering though.
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Can I steal that epically funny phrase?
(my Dad played for the San Francisco 49ers in 1959, 60, 61}
Sent from my Nexus S because it decided to play nice....or telepathically using two tin cans and some string.
Babydoll25 said:
Can I steal that epically funny phrase?
(my Dad played for the San Francisco 49ers in 1959, 60, 61}
Sent from my Nexus S because it decided to play nice....or telepathically using two tin cans and some string.
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Help yourself
Im guessing Super Sunday was an extra big deal in your house then?.....
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Help yourself
Im guessing Super Sunday was an extra big deal in your house then?.....
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Thanks
Still is
Sent from my Nexus S because it decided to play nice....or telepathically using two tin cans and some string.
In the UK, Footballer & football player are the same thing, they mean soccer player.
In Australia, they call it soccer and soccer player...football (footy) is either NRL(National Rugby League) or AFL (Australian Football League).
Well I'm not British but I watch the english premier league a lot and go to a lot of games (btw Bolton are beating Arsenal!!) and I'd assume that when you're talking about a footballer that it's the premier league and a football player is like NFL. That might be because I'm one of of few who actually know how to play NFL football and how the rules work and follow it.
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Well I'm not British but I watch the english premier league a lot and go to a lot of games (btw Bolton are beating Arsenal!!) and I'd assume that when you're talking about a footballer that it's the premier league and a football player is like NFL. That might be because I'm one of of few who actually know how to play NFL football and how the rules work and follow it.
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Over here, we call them footballers, football players, the-idiot-who-lost-my-200-dollar-bet-because-he-couldn't-score-from-point-blank, the-sissy-diver, and probably that-ambiguously-gay-dude-who-keeps-hugging-everyone.
Oh, and we call them people who carry the "football" around with their hands retards.
You folks are awesome, and this thread made me laugh. Trust me, today I could do with a laugh, so thanks very much!
My ex-g/f and I had a number of conversations about the differences between Australia/Europe and the U.S. vis à vis both sports and school. She told me few interesting things.
1. Australia doesn't have schools with big sports teams. The notion of big money teams that aren't professional teams is, I gather, essentially an unknown concept.
2. You don't ask "What team are you rooting for?" because "rooting" means having sex with.
3. Students really don't get to pick what professors they have in college for their classes.
(She also put me wise to the Australia/NZ rivalry and jokes, but I really don't remember them. Well, except for the sheep jokes, but those are really baa-aa-aa-ad.)
SciFiSurfer said:
You folks are awesome, and this thread made me laugh. Trust me, today I could do with a laugh, so thanks very much!
My ex-g/f and I had a number of conversations about the differences between Australia/Europe and the U.S. vis à vis both sports and school. She told me few interesting things.
1. Australia doesn't have schools with big sports teams. The notion of big money teams that aren't professional teams is, I gather, essentially an unknown concept.
2. You don't ask "What team are you rooting for?" because "rooting" means having sex with.
3. Students really don't get to pick what professors they have in college for their classes.
(She also put me wise to the Australia/NZ rivalry and jokes, but I really don't remember them. Well, except for the sheep jokes, but those are really baa-aa-aa-ad.)
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I think that school thing really only happens in North America. I haven't heard of one country in Europe that has like big teams that are a school. They are mostly just formed from people getting together and forming a 'club'. That's basically how all football teams are over here. And the football teams have the professional team, then under teams for like kids and so on. Like there isn't only one Manchester United team for example, they have the reserves team and then youth teams.
Sadly, most schools in Britain these days dont receive enough funding to teach basic maths and English.... let alone fund a seriously competitive sporting team.
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Sadly, most schools in Britain these days dont receive enough funding to teach basic maths and English.... let alone fund a seriously competitive sporting team.
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I was actually only referring to colleges, not K-12 schools. In that, sadly, the U.K. and the U.S. are essentially the same. There's so much that's not taught or done in schools that was taught or done not that long ago.
Part of the problem is the whole "teach to the test" phenomenon associated with the various state-level tests. Washington DC wants to have the states give that up in favor of pushing its own nationally standardized test. The problem there is twofold:
1. More and more power concentrated and centralized in one all-powerful authority;
2. Replacing one "teach to the test" environment with another one.
Anyhow, I don't intend to turn this into a political debate (which if we keep going down this road it surely will be), I'm simply curious about the differences.
Thanks again!
so, i'm curious how the users of xda think about the charlie hebdo attack of last week?
i think the UN should compile an army force and send them out to the middle east to prevent the terrorist groups
from traveling further and try to prevent groups from attacking innocent and harmless civillians (anywhere in the world)!
i believe the people of Isis and Al-qaeda should be taken out by force! honestly i don't approve of any violence! however in this
case the diplomatic way didn't had any positive result! therefore for the first time i'm saying yes to open fire! obama and other worldleaders should
finally put action to their words! these terroristgroups are an absolute thread to freedom of speech and expression!
so please give youre opinion and you're thoughts about this awful tragedy
(sorry for my broken english) i'm dutch :silly:
my condolances to the victims and family of the fallen!
je suis charlie
And as such the victims will have died in vain. Charlie Hebdo stood for freedom of speech through humour. They abhorred violence.
Murdering others because you don't agree with their ideas, however controversial they may be, makes you no better than those who murder others because they disagree with their ideas.
Murdering innocent people because you're upset over a cartoon is pure cowardice. It's not brave, it doesn't make you a hero. It makes you a pathetic coward.
But answering violence with more violence isn't the answer. That's how this whole mess started in the first place.
The problem here is religion. For as long as history can remeber, people have been slaughtering innocents in the name of some fictitious god. Christianity is no better, or have people forgotten about the crusades?
Cue more butthurt people now painting a target on my head just for saying that. Freedom of speech kids, it works both ways. You get to preach about your god to those who don't want you to, and we get to ridicule it. If we aren't allowed to ridicule it, you're not allowed to preach to us. It's both sides of the blade.
Religious followers being upset because someone drew their fictitious figurehead is as ridiculous as all of us going on a murderous rampage because someone drew the Android robot with a pink hat. But people are so brainwashed from birth that they can't see the sheer idiocracy of what they're doing.
That is what lies at the heart of this. But nobody wants to see it. All the imams have condemned the attack, but not a single muslim is willing to take a good hard look at their religion and see that it needs to change. In the west we have learned to accept (the hard way) that there are others who believe different, and we have learned to share our lives with them. We accept that someone won't pray at dinner, that someone won't thank a god every evening. Now it's time for muslims to make that growth as well.
What none of them realized is that those controversial catroons weren't meant as an insult.
The west learned through Apartheid that a seperate society doesn't work. We adapted.
The French shared their country, their lives and their culture with the muslims who came to live in France. They took them into their schools, their busses, their shops, their homes. They gave them the same rights and liberties as citizens.
Charlie Hebdo welcomed them into their lives by sharing their humour with them.
And as a reward for their acceptance, they were murdered.
And that is unacceptable. It is also why there is now such a backlash. If you come to live in our counties and want to share in our lives and become. A part of our society, you can't cherrypick the parts you want. It's all or nothing. You want the right to practise your religion in our society, then we retain the right to practise our humour.
I have gained a newfound respect for mayor Aboutaleb. That man should be an example to all muslims.
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ShadowLea said:
But answering violence with more violence isn't the answer. That's how this whole mess started in the first place.
The west learned through Apartheid that a seperate society doesn't work. We adapted.
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A wonderful humanist once said an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
Then I look at history the Christian crusades where many were murdered. Centuries later into the 21st century where Muslims, and I'm not meaning all Muslims, have the spotlight in committing many heartless acts against humanity. The cost of human life..................... the torture ,abuse,deprivation or murder of a human being there is never an excuse for that. I'm assuming these individuals have a built up, or have instilled in them, a hatred for the western way of life and use religion as an excuse to commit atrocities.
Apatheid indeed did not work, several of my friends who are Caucasian have worked in South Africa and it was an unsafe place to be for them.
There will be a balance for both, I'm thinking 2 or 3 lifetimes away. Hope is almost always a positive thing.
I have Muslim friends, some I have known most of my life and they are very different to what I have seen in the media.
I think I have written enough I'm emotionally drained.
Round and round we go
Political threads aren't really something that we allow. To much potential for emotions to get out of hand resulting in flaming of members.
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