Sorry, don't know much about how this works but If I were to take a 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, or 9x photo, does the phone take a 10x optical photo and zoom out from it or does it digitally zoom in from the 3x optical shot. Thanks.
It will digitally zoom in from the 3x camera
Elixir_ said:
It will digitally zoom in from the 3x camera
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I actually feel dumb for asking. Of course it would digitally zoom in from 3x as there is nothing to zoom out of from the 10x...(as there is nothing outside the picture frame of a 10x image to zoom out to ) Appreciate the answer.
eaoosa said:
I actually feel dumb for asking. Of course it would digitally zoom in from 3x as there is nothing to zoom out of from the 10x...(as there is nothing outside the picture frame of a 10x image to zoom out to ) Appreciate the answer.
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What you might not know...is that if dark enough, sometimes it'll zoom in from the 1x camera rather than the 3x lol. To know which lens is being used, look at the exif data. 1x = 6.7mm, 3x = 9mm, and 10x = 30mm.
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beserker15 said:
What you might not know...is that if dark enough, sometimes it'll zoom in from the 1x camera rather than the 3x lol. To know which lens is being used, look at the exif data. 1x = 6.7mm, 3x = 9mm, and 10x = 30mm.
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Ah, makes sense as the main camera has better low light performance. Good to know. Thanks!
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On the S9+, you can use optical zoom while recording video. It seems to be that this is not the case with the P20 pro for some reason, which would be a deal breaker for me.
Can someone confirm?
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The youtube camera comparison vids from SupaSaf suggest that there is no optical zoom button in Video Capture Mode like on the S9 but you can pinch to zoom (it's just not known whether this is optical or digital but suggests digital to me).
Optical zoom is there. Just no button. Have to use fingers.
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The youtube camera comparison vids from SupaSaf suggest that there is no optical zoom button in Video Capture Mode like on the S9 but you can pinch to zoom (it's just not known whether this is optical or digital but suggests digital to me).
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Optical zoom is there. Just no button. Have to use fingers.
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I just watched the SuperSaf video and it does seem like digital. Is there any confirmation it's actually optical zoom?
Bump, anyone who received it can confirm?
You can zoom. It's digital zoom as far as I can tell
esiemi said:
You can zoom. It's digital zoom as far as I can tell
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That’s disappointing. I’m contemplating just cancelling my order and going back to my S9+. I loved everything about it but the very, very mediocre battery life. But the P20 pro which seemed great with the camera at first now seems to have some major drawbacks (no stabilization at 4K, no 4k60 recording, pictures looking soft, no way to enable beauty mode, etc.). What a shame.
Sorry to exhume this thread, but I'm interested in the topic. I can see why the 5x hybrid zoom might be too taxing for video, but it would be extremely disappointing for the phone to contain a 3x telephoto lens and not contain a 3x optical zoom.
YouTube has a couple new videos, but I'm not sure how to interpret. This one shows digital zoom that strikes me as very disappointing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DOobLhcCqU
This one, on the other hand, to my eye, looks more like optical zoom. It's tough to judge the quality in portrait mode on YouTube, but it looks better than digital zoom to me:
https://youtu.be/mJJw8lLJF8I?t=207
Anyone have any thoughts on this or new experiences with the phone in the last couple of weeks?
Thanks in advance!
Please see:
youtube.com/watch?v=XwstKlJFCoc
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Please see:
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Thanks, that was a great video.
Fwiw, I ended up buying it. So long as you take video in 30fps, you get what looks to be sharp, optical zoom. If you film in 1080p60, however, you get a hot mess of digital zoom. The attached shows a frame capture of 1080p30 (pretty sharp) next to 1080p60 (blurry mess). 4K30 looks much like 1080p30 but appears not to zoom in quite as far.
3x video definitely uses optical zoom. You can compare 3x vs 2.7x frame quality.
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3x video definitely uses optical zoom. You can compare 3x vs 2.7x frame quality.
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Thx a lot but 5x doesent have hybrid zoom?
Mmmm, I'm not sure, but I think so.
Pic 1: 4,8x
Pic 2: 5x
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Mmmm, I'm not sure, but I think so.
Pic 1: 4,8x
Pic 2: 5x
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Interesting! Fwiw, my screenshots were both taken at 10x to maximize distortion so I assume there was some optical/hybrid as well as digital zoom occurring on the 30fps sample and pure digital on the 60fps sample
It look like over sharpening of photo in strong sunlight. Anyone else feel the same?
Yes. In every situation the sharpening is excessive and ruins many photos. The only way to get rid of it is to shoot in 40mp mode but then you can't zoom
You can reduce sharpening in editing after the fact on pretty much any decent editor. Snapseed mobile, Lightroom or photoshop on PC.
It very rarely damages photos. The outcry is a little over the top.
In bright sunshine 40mp is probably the best way to shoot anyway.
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You can reduce sharpening in editing after the fact on pretty much any decent editor. Snapseed mobile, Lightroom or photoshop on PC.
It very rarely damages photos. The outcry is a little over the top.
In bright sunshine 40mp is probably the best way to shoot anyway.
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The whole point of sharpening in P20 Pro is that it simply destroys data. There is no way to get it back in software, it just isn't there. This is a huge problem
I am considering to go back to my S9+ as P20 pro is far too much over sharpening.
I hope they will do something to the camera software before I make the change
dont expect anything like it from huawei, use another camera app
possible solution?
I find that using a zoom of 2.9x with 10mb auto mode helps with avoidance of over sharpening. With the same scene, the 2.9x zoom looks more natural when viewing at 100% pixel level:
At 2.9x zoom
https:// ibb.co/ bQtRBT
At 3.0x zoom
https:// ibb.co/ niGk5o
What do you think?
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photoxd said:
I find that using a zoom of 2.9x with 10mb auto mode helps with avoidance of over sharpening. With the same scene, the 2.9x zoom looks more natural when viewing at 100% pixel level:
At 2.9x zoom
https:// ibb.co/ bQtRBT
At 3.0x zoom
https:// ibb.co/ niGk5o
What do you think?
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I find it works even better at 3x zoom if you use the lowest resolution.
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I find it works even better at 3x zoom if you use the lowest resolution.
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I checked the setting, there are other resolution options at 7MB, but they are of different dimensions (ie. 1:1 and 3:2), so they are really more of a crop of the same resolution rather than a different resolution.
I had the same problems with the Mate 10 Pro. The image processing was so bad that I finally decided to sell it and buy something else. I could not stand the poor quality of the pictures. Oil paint effect, lack of details even at 10-20% crop. Not acceptable for such an expensive device. I remember the P9 having NONE of these problems.
I have this problem and I figured out the fixes. Huawei users have two options to take photos where the auto sharpening ruins your photos. 1) shoot pro mode at max resolution. or 2) Shoot in aperture mode.
Believe it or not, P20 pro shoots terrible photos! Zoom in and see the details they are absolutely terrible. Especially when shooting close-ups the phone performs poorly and the images are blurry. I don't know why the problem occurs but it shouldn't be how so called the worlds best camera would perform. Anyone else has this problem?
Sure. But it looks nice on the phone display. This is what people want.
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Sure. But it looks nice on the phone display. This is what people want.
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but why is it even worse than my old huawei p8 lite.
I don‘t know. I also wonder. For me, zoom is not usable, and I only use pro mode, because it processes the images differently. Auto, night and hdr mode are currently just outputting bad, blurry and oversharpened images. Hoping for a firmware fix but I often read that other users like the look, so it‘s probably how huawei wants them to look.
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Believe it or not, P20 pro shoots terrible photos! Zoom in and see the details they are absolutely terrible. Especially when shooting close-ups the phone performs poorly and the images are blurry. I don't know why the problem occurs but it shouldn't be how so called the worlds best camera would perform. Anyone else has this problem?
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no problem here (Macro)
Upload macro photo pls(Untouched original files /original size)
Ty
I noticed that the zoom sensor isn't always stabilized: in low light and in close up shots it loses his stabilization, thus it produces awful results. Few days ago I took a picture of a little cat with 3x zoom, in a very low light scenario. This is the result I got (see attachment).
I also have attached a video where you can clearly see the stabilized zoom lense kicking in, and how shaky the image is when the stabilization goes off (focus on how the images "stretches" when I zoom to my little Wi-Fi antenna and to my mouse).
https://photos.app.goo.gl/AJiWNjdbFyMj3UeKA
Another quick comparison (attachments):
3x Without Stabilization (closer to subject) vs 5x With Stabilization (Farther)
Same light conditions, I just moved farther and closer to reach the distance needed to lose stabilization.
I think our zoom lense is intended to work just with far objects and not to take closer macro shots.
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Another quick comparison (attachments):
3x Without Stabilization (closer to subject) vs 5x With Stabilization (Farther)
Same light conditions, I just moved farther and closer to reach the distance needed to lose stabilization.
I think our zoom lense is intended to work just with far objects and not to take closer macro shots.
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Mate! yes!
When capture close photo with 3x zoom not the TELE lense working .!!!Regular lense with DIGITAL zoom
Tele lense useless for macro shots! Minimum distance 1, 1.5 meter need.
Your absolutly right!
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Mate! yes!
When capture close photo with 3x zoom not the TELE lense working .!!!Regular lense with DIGITAL zoom
Tele lense useless for macro shots! Minimum distance 1, 1.5 meter need.
Your absolutly right!
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I roughly measured the distance: it's about 50-60cm. Getting farther from this with good light conditions will enable Stabilized Zoom Lens. In low light scenario, stabilization doesn't work at any distance for me.
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Believe it or not, P20 pro shoots terrible photos!
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I agree! Especially in scenes with high contrast (landscapes in bright sunlight...) 1. dark surfaces (mostly shadows) turn into deep black (no more structures...) and 2. all details lost when you zoom into the picture (And no, i am not a pixelpeeper, but pls compare the 100%-View with another flagship...).
Intelligent Auto-HDR has to come, like in iOS or Samsungs Galaxys...
I also agree with the statement, these p20 pro pictures were made for good looking at the small display, not more!
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I agree! Especially in scenes with high contrast (landscapes in bright sunlight...) 1. dark surfaces (mostly shadows) turn into deep black (no more structures...) and 2. all details lost when you zoom into the picture (And no, i am not a pixelpeeper, but pls compare the 100%-View with another flagship...).
Intelligent Auto-HDR has to come, like in iOS or Samsungs Galaxys...
I also agree with the statement, these p20 pro pictures were made for good looking at the small display, not more!
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Mate too much,,,
One of the best camera yet.
Thsi is auto with ai and ai off
Imigine pro mode...
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1IExHyzoJMEEjiQfe36m1r82PEEPNLCK9
https://drive.google.com/open?id=17WkXYeaM48DrOc1RXsVWjid9Hp_IcJuk
no camera problems here
3x Zoom by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr
5x Zoom by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr
crop from 40MP no Zoom by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr
no zoom by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr
3x zoom by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr
5x zoom by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr
10x zoom by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr
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I agree! Especially in scenes with high contrast (landscapes in bright sunlight...) 1. dark surfaces (mostly shadows) turn into deep black (no more structures...) and 2. all details lost when you zoom into the picture (And no, i am not a pixelpeeper, but pls compare the 100%-View with another flagship...).
Intelligent Auto-HDR has to come, like in iOS or Samsungs Galaxys...
I also agree with the statement, these p20 pro pictures were made for good looking at the small display, not more!
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I'm sorry but that's not totally correct. When AI is turned on, it automatically enables HDR when needed and is surprisingly good.
All shot and edited on P20 Pro. I love it.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/
I think you may be the problem with your photos.
1st is 3x lens
2nd is 5x hybrid further away.
The 3x is clearly better.
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2018-06-19_09-22-23 by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr
Obviously there are shortcomings with the zoom which users should be aware of when using it. The big one is the aperture which if i remember correctly is only f/2,4 or something like that. A big difference from the other lenses as it let's in a lot less light to the sensor. It also answers the questions why it performs poorly when the light disappears. Use zoom only when you have enough light to get a good shot, if the light is poor shoot at 40mpix shot and then crop it in post.
I'm having no big issues with the zoom myself as i only use it in good daylight situations and i avoid the 5x zoom since it looks way to artificially enhanced. Just crop into a 1x or 3x shot is enough.
I do wish Huawei toned down on sharpening and noise reduction as it would improve detail rendering to a much greater degree. A little sensor noise is not a bad thing, it gives photos a bit more character and personality.
/ Magnus
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Obviously there are shortcomings with the zoom which users should be aware of when using it. The big one is the aperture which if i remember correctly is only f/2,4 or something like that. A big difference from the other lenses as it let's in a lot less light to the sensor. It also answers the questions why it performs poorly when the light disappears. Use zoom only when you have enough light to get a good shot, if the light is poor shoot at 40mpix shot and then crop it in post.
I'm having no big issues with the zoom myself as i only use it in good daylight situations and i avoid the 5x zoom since it looks way to artificially enhanced. Just crop into a 1x or 3x shot is enough.
I do wish Huawei toned down on sharpening and noise reduction as it would improve detail rendering to a much greater degree. A little sensor noise is not a bad thing, it gives photos a bit more character and personality.
/ Magnus
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Totally agree with you
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I'm sorry but that's not totally correct. When AI is turned on, it automatically enables HDR when needed and is surprisingly good.
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In auto mode HDR is also used automatically when deemed appropriate with AI turned off. The only way to disable auto HDR is to use pro mode (and likely some of the other modes, but they are obviously more specialized).
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I do wish Huawei toned down on sharpening and noise reduction as it would improve detail rendering to a much greater degree. A little sensor noise is not a bad thing, it gives photos a bit more character and personality.
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Absolutely +1!
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In auto mode HDR is also used automatically when deemed appropriate with AI turned off. The only way to disable auto HDR is to use pro mode (and likely some of the other modes, but they are obviously more specialized).
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Sorry you both(solofero & MikeMTS)! It may be right that HDR comes with Auto (with AI or w/o AI doesn´t matter)... But that intelligence when HDR turns on is crappy, most pics I wish they had HDR comes without it. So I have to turn on HDR manually for most situations...
How the zoom x10 this is a sharpening photo?
What?
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you have a true 10X lens this time, hard not software, that's all
I found that there is a lot of photo sharpening on the 10x lens. Not sure if it switches to the main and crops or uses the 10X
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I found that there is a lot of photo sharpening on the 10x lens. Not sure if it switches to the main and crops or uses the 10X
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the aperture is very low, that' why it's using other cams to capture more light, so it's normal
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the aperture is very low, that' why it's using other cams to capture more light, so it's normal
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I'd appreciate manual switching to get silhouette if I want to, but not possible
It oversharpens in every lens for me. Camera is absolutely fantastic except the over processing
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It oversharpens in every lens for me. Camera is absolutely fantastic except the over processing
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i confirm, my 20 ultra look's better
It was a quick action, stopped by the side of the road to get some S21U pics, freezing wind prevented me from doing some more. So, the zoom is fine - my first judgement.
I got a couple good shots of the moon tonight, while it was low and yellowish. In the 2nd photo, some clouds started rolling in.
I am really not impressed by the image quality. The pictures are way to oversharpenned. At a point where it is detrimental to the picture. I can not understand why Samsung, in 2021, with a so called 108 megapixels camera, oversharpens so much the pictures.
Here is the moon in NYC, used S21 Ultra.
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I am really not impressed by the image quality. The pictures are way to oversharpenned. At a point where it is detrimental to the picture. I can not understand why Samsung, in 2021, with a so called 108 megapixels camera, oversharpens so much the pictures.
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The camera setup is new, let's hope Samsung can tweak things up to get better outcome. The zoom is great though.
There is some sharpening happening on the 10X if the light is super bright!
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This is very nice...great focus and blur
good wallpaper done by me
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This is excellent
Testing the RAW Camera app out with night and lights.