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So I wrote this letter to the Analysts, HR, and Regional Information Guy of AT&T because I couldn't find answers elsewhere and the CSR and their supervisors were jerks and could not give me a straight rational answer.
My coworker said that he's been on Tmobile for 8 years and he finally called the CSR and asked if Tmobile could do anything for them regarding lowering their bill and such. Out of loyalty, they gave him the new plan Tmobile has released.
I called AT&T and got a straighforward I could care less if you've stayed with us for 5 years+ and even pushed me to transferring to a cancellation agent. FYI she was a real pain, she kept cutting me off.
Dear Andy Morgan, Marty Richter and AT&T Analysts
I'm writing you this email in regards to recent conversations and changes made to ATT wireless.
First off, I'd like to say that I've been a long time customer of ATT Wireless for over 5 years and I would like to continue to be one however I am not pleased with the way the Customer Service answer their customers and how difficult it is to get straightforward and legitimate answers based on real research and not some opinionated or textbook based answer.
I'm a customer who has a family plan with 4 lines, which on average pays $180/month including regulatory fees for 700minutes, an unlimited data plan, an unlimited family data plan with mobile to mobile. I'm happy with these features however, I feel that the pricing on them is too high, especially with less features.
Competitors such as T-mobile, which has recently been acquired by AT&T offers the same features with more for less. A coworker of mine recently told me that he's on a family plan with unlimited everything for 4 lines at 2x49.99 +2x15= $130 before regulatory fees and roughly $160 after rounding up.
A CSR told me that because we are getting 30$/month unlimited texting with mobile to mobile, it's better than competitors. but if Tmobile offers unlimited talk, it shouldn't matter.
The $20 difference in my bill compared to my coworkers and the features that are offered really doesn't sound fair does it? AT&T Supervisor and CSR response "We don't price match and we do things our way"
I asked about data pricing, and their response was that it was tailored to their customers. I agree that not many people need more than 2GB/month of data, but the pricing for it is $25/month. Tmobile offers unlimited with a 2GB soft cap(reduced speeds post 2GB) for $20 a month, and with they unlimited everything plan, it would be far less. I understand that data is getting expensive especially because of the growing trends of smartphones however with all these supposed "network hauls" shouldn't the pricing lower? According to the NY Times article from a year ago, cellphone data is being used more than minutes and with that, shouldn't these data plans have a fair variety that can compete with competitors rather than charging $15 for 200MB, which isn't enough for most users and $25 for 2GB, which is more than competitors.
Unlimited Family Plan (first two lines):
The first two lines are $49.99/mo. each line, totaling $99.98 per month. Each of the first two lines includes:
Unlimited data: Up to 2 GB of high-speed data (for capable devices), then reduced speeds after that. If you use up your high-speed data, we will automatically reduce your speeds for the rest of your billing cycle—so you can still connect without overages.
Unlimited talk minutes
Unlimited text
New two-year agreement
Need more lines?
Add up to 3 lines.
Get unlimited data and text, plus 500 talk minutes and unlimited nights and weekends (up to 2 GB of full-speed data per line). All this for just $15/mo. per line.
Now, on with Text messaging, according to Engadget, AT&T will be ending the $10 for 1000 text message deal. This was confirmed by an AT&T agent. How is it that you guys could end this messaging plan especially leaving customers to get the unlimited plan? According to a wireless network analysts, the consumers send an average of 664 text messages a month. With that, the average American Teen sends an average of 3339 text messages a month. Shouldn't there be variety? Not everybody text messages, and if the new implementations and pricing are tailored.
I understand that AT&T has more resources as well as more funding and is working on their HSPA+ network and LTE coming this year Q4 and because of that, require more funding to get these networks up. But, how is it that Tmobile, a smaller company can increase the coverage of their HSPA+ network to over 40 locations nationwide already, when our HSPA+ only goes up to half of what Tmobile has. I understand the backhaul as well as the need for capital to expand the network, however the ratio of benefits to price isn't exactly one to one on AT&Ts network. In 2010, a filing by AT&T regarding its SEC filing "On a reported basis, our fourth-quarter 2010 revenues were $31.4 billion, up $653 million from the fourth-quarter 2009 and full-year 2010 revenues were $124.3 billion", $31.8 billion from AT&T Mobility generated roughly 25% of the revenue AT&T made in 2010/ and how much of that revenue is being used to expand the network? Tmobile, a smaller company in the US, generated a revenue of $21.347billion and has yet been able to offer better pricing as well as stronger data networks than AT&T
Verizon, another competitor that has similar pricing to your own is able to get their LTE network to more than half of the nation's population already. The crazy thing is LTE is a GSM based technology and they're on a CDMA based network.
To my understanding, with more money, you could do more things and it'll cost a lot more, but how is it that Tmobile, the smaller company has done more things for its customer with a smaller client base than AT&T and Verizon with a larger client base do more for its customers than AT&T. It doesn't make sense to me.
AT&T supervisors and CSRs have told me that the plans that AT&T offers is tailored to customers and yet they choose to take away choices. One Supervisor said "we can't please everybody" and that's true because you can't, but it's much better to have variety than have no choices at all. Every area has a different need, such as New York vs Montana. The demand for data is higher in one area than the other and the demographics are different.
Rather than catering to a biased statistic with outliers, try to cater to a smaller demographic and you'll see more results.
AT&T CSRs are horrible too as I asked these questions and expected straightforward answers, my previous CSR told me "AT&T can charge whatever we want" and that was most arrogant and honest answer I received all day. This CSR was more than happy to get rid of me and transfer me to a Cancellation rep. So much for mutualistic loyalty and customer care.
The fact that AT&T has bought T-Mobile and decided to do away with customer support exemplifies the need for two separate GSM companies. You guys have no competition and therefore can implement unfair business to your customers.
Give me some answers as to why the prices are so high and why there is less to be offered to the customers. Cater to the customers needs and work with them to benefit their needs, not push a plan hope and hope the majority will do nothing and go along with it. Without the customers, there is no AT&T.
Sincerely, ********, an Angry Customer
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It's not a grammatically correct nor is it a formal letter, but I was too busy being mad and linking citations.
I feel like I should contact the BBB or the FCC. AT&T will further neglect its customers and create plans that are aimed to make money and not to fit the general consumer. They think it tailors to the general consumer, but if they want to tailor to the majority of people, variety should be kept and they should give people the choice to choose what kind of plans that fit them.
I called the company Steel in the Air today to inquire about pricing of towers but they have yet to get back to me.
http://www.steelintheair.com/Municipalities-Building-Your-Own-Cell-Tower.html
According to their website, it costs generally 100-150k to build a tower. And I know there's much more that goes into this, but I don't know how much because AT&T CSR don't have this information in their manuals.
I hope I don't offend any AT&T lovers or AT&T employees but what that CSR said to me today really pisses me off, especially the way the supervisor who said they tailor to the customer.
I'm posting this on XDA because I wanna share with the members my experience with AT&T and reasons why we should boycott them, report them, and overall just dislike them.
I'm stuck on a two year contract with 4 lines, 3 upgradeable and 1 nonupgradeable lines and currently looking for a clause in my contract that will help me get out, because clearly AT&T doesn't care about pleasing their customers.
Um.. your kind of going to be screwed - TMobile is going to be swallowed by AT&T
I'd suggest just switching your provider as soon as your contract is up.
But.. please keep us updated if you get a positive response.
That sucks man. Keep us posted.
File with the FCC. It's the ONLY WAY you will get an answer.
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File with the FCC. It's the ONLY WAY you will get an answer.
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+1. (There is a ten char limit, so a simple +1 wont do it seems!)
What??? that seems stupid!!! In the UK the networks will normally price match. Have you tried asking for the PAC code?
Here in the United States, the public owns the airwaves, or spectrum, that is used for the delivery of media & information & it is leased to individuals or corporations by the FCC & is supposed to be done in the interest of the public. These airwaves were originally used to deliver broadcast media, television & radio, to the general public. In recent years, much of this spectrum has been reclaimed & re-provisioned for use as mobile broadband spectrum.
The telecom industry is very powerful & is one of the most represented industries in terms of political lobbyist. What is supposed to be done in the interest of the public, is often only in the interest of a few & due to influence many of these companies are allowed to use business practices that would be illegal for any other business owner to employ. A few examples of this abuse are very apparent, such as AT&T disregarding the standards that specifically state what qualifies as 4G technology & lobbying to have an interim standard established for marketing purposes. Another example is advertising unlimited data plans that are anything but unlimited.
There are a few other issues that I take exception to, including the practice of carriers being able to disallow the use of certain types of applications that utilize higher amounts of bandwidth, as well as the practice of telling consumers how they can use their data allotments by disallowing tethering on publicly owned airwaves in direct conflict with the net neutrality reforms.
These licenses granted to the mobile providers are supposed to be made in the interest of the public, but the terms in these agreements favor the corporations & in many instances trample over the rights of consumers.
I ask that you take the time to register on the White House website & sign my petition asking lawmakers to stand up for the people, of whom they are supposed to be of, for & by. You can read & sign the petition here: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pe...ted-data-restricting-how-we-use-data/f8LZqDsL
You would do better off lodging a formal/written complaint with the FCC.
As for unlimited plans, the only one advertising those is Sprint. Everybody else has stopped I think.
As for limiting apps, what is being limited or denied? The argument on that should be made regarding net neutrality if complaining to FCC.
It's got naff all to do with the airwaves.
4G isn't a frequency. Nor is tethering, which incidentally uses the Telecom provider's fibre/copper network.
The airwaves are only used for that short step between your handset and the nearest tower. Beyond that it's all the Telecom's hardware, or at least hardware they are paying to lease from other non-airwave network providers.
The more data that goes through their network, the more bandwidth they have to pay for. So tell me again why customers shouldn't have to pay for the bandwidth used, or why they shouldn't restrict data use to keep costs down?
If a company sells a 3G product claiming it's 4G, and you don't have consumer protection law or organisation, then its time to start one up or lobby government to introduce sensible legislation. I'd suggest directing them to the UK's consumer rights laws as a start. Again not something the FCC should be worrying about.
"Only" 24,998 signatures to go.
Although even if you get the 25k it still won't do anything since that represents less than 1/12000th of the US population.
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Didn't Access already do a petition on this months ago?
Here is news that no mobile phone owner will want to hear.
From tomorrow (Jan 26) unlocking your phone will become illegal , in USA ofc..where else...LOL , thanks to the Library of Congress's DMCA and could actually result in jail time!
In fact, this shiny new restriction extends to tablets as well where they can use SIM cards. There has been next to no press coverage that this was coming either, which is strange for something big like this, because digital liberty groups like the EFF normally shout loud about it in order to help promote a pushback. It seems like their efforts didn't pay off in this case, however.
The law was no doubt changed at the behest of the large mobile carriers in order to squeeze every last penny out of their subscribers, while restricting the value those subscribers get from their services, since they're stuck with the service provider that they bought their phone from
edit : i am rly sorry for people who leave in USA . your government is so wrong...so,so evil...
How true is this?
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well.. believe it or not... in USA is everything possible but only a normal thing is impossible... unfortunately
here is link...
http://www.legitreviews.com/news/15028/
Honestly, how the hell would they be able to detect it even if it was illegal?
Are they going to start checking the credit card info of every customer who paid $8 to cellunlocker.net? Are they going to track down everyone who reads a page on how to do a software based unlock for the few phones that support it?
Last time I checked the carriers aren't able to remotely detect if you've SIM unlocked your phone. And even if they could, what's the big deal? People still have to use the carrier service and pay the monthly fee. If they want to switch providers and are on a contract, SIM unlocking won't magically erase the contract - you still have to pay the exorbitant cancellation fee regardless.
The only "loss" to the carriers would be the roaming fees for traveling abroad since unlocked phones can just use local SIMs, but given that a huge cut of the roaming fee goes to the foreign carrier, I doubt that's much of a loss either. Plus, most of the people I know who roam while traveling abroad would still take careful measures to avoid calling and texting, and try to connect to Wifi where possible to use alternatives like Skype and Whatsapp. For example, I cross the US border at least a few times a year, and since it's just a day trip I just roam on my phone even though it's unlocked. I simply connect to the public wifi at the shopping mall, and ignore any incoming calls or SMS - usually people I'm close to would be aware I'm out of the country anyways. Thus, zero roaming charge.
There's honestly no net benefit to the carrier to lock the phones they subsidize. Except for maybe the roaming part, I fail to see what financial losses a carrier would face from people unlocking their subsidized phones.
Whoever proposed this law must be a luddite or just some moron with abysmal knowledge of technology. Fact is, passing the law will do jack s**t. They might as well make it illegal to uninstall bloatware from a laptop you buy off the shelf. That's how superfluous it is.
The only "solution" I could see to the "problem" of unlocked phones, is for carriers to go all-out to disable the hidden menu in smartphones that allows you to enter an unlock code once you insert a non-accepted SIM. But then I'm sure hackers would find a way around that. And I'll bet that if the carriers decide to aggressively look for people to unlock their subsidized phones, the cost of employing the resources to do so would far outweigh any potential extra revenue.
I saw on another site that this "law" might be meant to hurt the sale of used phones - but in America, that's irrelevant. There are only two GSM carriers and they use different 3G frequencies, so most AT&T phones will only work in 2G mode on TMo, and vice versa, unless they're quad or pentaband. Thus most Americans really have only one choice of carrier if they choose to buy a used GSM phone, even unlocked.
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well.. believe it or not... in USA is everything possible but only a normal thing is impossible... unfortunately
here is link...
http://www.legitreviews.com/news/15028/
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The American government is full of luddites and computer idiots (remember who proposed SOPA?). But then again, so are most governments. Nothing to fear though as long as the people aren't half as dumb and provide sufficient opposition.
Hmm... I guess the only logic behind this would be those people that buy a phone with a contract and just ditch the country altogether... Can you imagine "giving" an S3 for 100 usd with a contract... to someone that just unlocks the phone and goes away? Must be painful...
Anyways, it's been a long way since I bought a phone with a contract.
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Hmm... I guess the only logic behind this would be those people that buy a phone with a contract and just ditch the country altogether... Can you imagine "giving" an S3 for 100 usd with a contract... to someone that just unlocks the phone and goes away? Must be painful...
Anyways, it's been a long way since I bought a phone with a contract.
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But if those people perform the unlocking in the new country they live in, they haven't broken any laws and can't be prosecuted Also anyone who has any long-term plans to return to america after moving out would be foolish to do something like this, since the unpaid bill could be considered a crime!
I think maybe the carriers want to charge a high price to do the unlocking for you, in order to kill "competition" from small businesses like cellunlocker.net.
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Answering the Call on Cell Phone Unlocking
By Gene Sperling, Assistant to the President for Economic Policy and Director of the National Economic Council
Last March, after hearing from over 114,000 of you on our We the People platform, the Obama Administration called to restore the basic consumer freedom of cell phone unlocking -- to allow you to use your mobile devices on any compatible network you choose -- and provided a roadmap for the Federal Communications Commission, industry, and Congress to solve this for the American people. Today, with the support of FCC Chairman Tom Wheeler (.pdf), the nation's largest wireless carriers announced they will abide by a new series of voluntary "unlocking principles" to help bring some relief to consumers in the next few months.
Today's announcement is an important step forward for consumers. First and foremost, the voluntary agreement will help to ensure carriers unlock phones in a manner that is reliable, transparent, and timely. We also understand this commitment by the wireless carriers will allow our deployed military personnel to have their phones unlocked before heading abroad, an admirable service for our troops.
This issue is about the simple freedom to take your business where you please, and to find the wireless plan that suits your needs -- provided you have paid for your mobile device.
The FCC and carriers are doing their part. Now it is time for Congress to step up and finish the job by passing the Unlocking Consumer Choice and Wireless Competition Act, which was voted out of the House Judiciary Committee this summer, and its companion in the Senate. We know this is an important issue to many of you. The Administration will continue to watch it closely in the coming months.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2567335
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I checked the US Samsung website and confirmed that the S21 had a working eSIM before buying - but, of course, it doesn't.
I understand there is the eSIM hardware on the phone, but Samsung has disabled it.
Is there any way to get it working - or, if I want an eSIM, I need to sell the S21 on Swappa and buy a Pixel?
For now there isn't a way to get it working on Snapdragon models, there have been workarounds but it needs Root and even once accomplished features like VoLTE and Wifi Calling don't work. Samsung claims a future update will enable it, but they said the same thing about the S20, one year later, still no update.
I have Exynos model, when I try to scan the arcade for the e-sim it says I might contact the operator... My operator says it's not supposed to work...
It seems that it depends on the region. I have an Exynos model in Europe and I successfully activated the old/new eSIM by using carrier´s app.
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It seems that it depends on the region. I have an Exynos model in Europe and I successfully activated the old/new eSIM by using carrier´s app.
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Correct. It’s a US thing. The wireless carriers in the US have not allowed Samsung to enable it. Currently eSIMs in the US are only supported on Apple devices, while some also support Pixel devices.
US carriers have a long history of disliking eSIMs becuase they fear they will make it easier for subscribers to switch carriers.
works fine on my UK unlocked s21 ultra
in fact thats the only one i use atm
T-Mobile uses eSim on a few devices but not many.
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Correct. It’s a US thing. The wireless carriers in the US have not allowed Samsung to enable it. Currently eSIMs in the US are only supported on Apple devices, while some also support Pixel devices.
US carriers have a long history of disliking eSIMs becuase they fear they will make it easier for subscribers to switch carriers.
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It's time we begin legal action against the carriers over this -- massive class action lawsuit that benefits Android users from the past 10 years.
I'm prepared to start contacting congress over this trash.
The iPhone gets to get away with this, no questions asked, because it is the plurality of the US market and the carriers dare not mess with daddy-Apple with $2T market-cap which is 10x the market-cap of any one of these damn carriers.
With Android OEMs, because they're weak and atomized, they have to cave into these carriers or risk reducing over-the-counter sales at carriers' shops.
Most of congress uses iPhones and doesn't care that they're supporting a bigger monopoly than Microsoft ever was.
Apple's influence is so pervasive that it's getting kind of ridiculous and annoying now.
Think Different foreal -- reduce your purchasing of Apple products, I certainly have.
T mobile now 20 getting esim capability in latest update:
New update brings eSIM functionality to T-Mobile’s Galaxy Note 20
Samsung had started rolling out the March 2021 security patch to the unlocked variants of the Galaxy Note 20 last ...
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ekerbuddyeker said:
T mobile now 20 getting esim capability in latest update:
New update brings eSIM functionality to T-Mobile’s Galaxy Note 20
Samsung had started rolling out the March 2021 security patch to the unlocked variants of the Galaxy Note 20 last ...
www.sammobile.com
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I wonder if that means they'll disable the physical SIM, LOL.
Just for kicks I chatted with Scamsung Canada support online... asking why the Canadian product page advertises eSIM support when it's not there...
"Oh we're not responsible for what carriers do"
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It's time we begin legal action against the carriers over this -- massive class action lawsuit that benefits Android users from the past 10 years.
I'm prepared to start contacting congress over this trash.
The iPhone gets to get away with this, no questions asked, because it is the plurality of the US market and the carriers dare not mess with daddy-Apple with $2T market-cap which is 10x the market-cap of any one of these damn carriers.
With Android OEMs, because they're weak and atomized, they have to cave into these carriers or risk reducing over-the-counter sales at carriers' shops.
Most of congress uses iPhones and doesn't care that they're supporting a bigger monopoly than Microsoft ever was.
Apple's influence is so pervasive that it's getting kind of ridiculous and annoying now.
Think Different foreal -- reduce your purchasing of Apple products, I certainly have.
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The government actually already warned Verizon and AT&T regarding an evil scheme they tried to concoct a few years ago with regards to eSIMs. As a result, the carriers stepped back from their plans but have not widely adopted eSIMs widely.
https://www.engadget.com/2019-11-27-doj-att-verizon-esim-investigation.html
it’s good to see that TMO will enable it in the S20.
I heard that there is new update on Note 20U U1 and esim is now enable. Hope it will be enable on S21U U1 soon
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I heard that there is new update on Note 20U U1 and esim is now enable. Hope it will be enable on S21U U1 soon
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That's the OEM Unlocked version you're talking about right?
If so, that's fantastic.
I find it curious e-Sim functionality is such a hot topic in the US. If one leaves their coverage area often or is a business man or woman who travels frequently it's a valuable feature. Also in Europe you are more likely to leave your service provider's footprint since many countries are part of the same region. The dominant service provider's in the US offer free coverage in Mexico and Canada so where's the necessity for most US consumers and who really wants the added cost for two service providers? I'll agree it's the big carrier's who are blocking the feature but for most customers in the US it's a moot point. If on a rare occasion you need a second SIM it takes about ten seconds to swap it. No big deal.
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I find it curious e-Sim functionality is such a hot topic in the US. If one leaves their coverage area often or is a business man or woman who travels frequently it's a valuable feature. Also in Europe you are more likely to leave your service provider's footprint since many countries are part of the same region. The dominant service provider's in the US offer free coverage in Mexico and Canada so where's the necessity for most US consumers and who really wants the added cost for two service providers? I'll agree it's the big carrier's who are blocking the feature but for most customers in the US it's a moot point. If on a rare occasion you need a second SIM it takes about ten seconds to swap it. No big deal.
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international travel for data usage . . . because roaming data speeds suck ... and you can get your account terminated if you over-use it
second line for business vs personal
a single sim is a non starter for me.
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I find it curious e-Sim functionality is such a hot topic in the US. If one leaves their coverage area often or is a business man or woman who travels frequently it's a valuable feature. Also in Europe you are more likely to leave your service provider's footprint since many countries are part of the same region. The dominant service provider's in the US offer free coverage in Mexico and Canada so where's the necessity for most US consumers and who really wants the added cost for two service providers? I'll agree it's the big carrier's who are blocking the feature but for most customers in the US it's a moot point. If on a rare occasion you need a second SIM it takes about ten seconds to swap it. No big deal.
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Unique mobile subscribers US 2010-2025 | Statista
The statistic depicts the total number of unique mobile subscribers in the United States from 2010 to 2025.
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US mobile cellular subscriptions 2000-2021 | Statista
The number of mobile-cellular subscriptions in the United States increased from 2000 to 2021.
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Population of the United States 1610-2020 | Statista
In the past four centuries, the population of the United States has grown from a recorded 350 people around the Jamestown colony of Virginia in 1610, to an estimated 331 million people in 2020.
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In 2019, the number of mobile subscriptions in the U.S. was at 442.46 million.
In 2018, the number of unique mobile subscribers in the United States was at 278 million.
In 2020, the US had a population of ~331M.
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Even after accounting for some of the more exotic uses of cellular service, like: IoT, GPS/Cellular tracking, certain medical devices, etc., you can tell that there are more subscriptions than there are people.
So, clearly, there are many people who have 2 plans. Why? Work, usually.
Many working people are required to keep their work number active/online at all times or during set times.
Carrying 2 phones gets old really fast.
If you want Android to stand a chance against Apple's impending monopoly in the US -- you're going to need dual-SIM.
Many working people have cited Apple's iPhone dual-SIM acceptance as a reason for using iPhone.
Can someone tell me how Samsung can just not enable it and "blame the carriers" I travel a lot, and I bought it because I saw the eSIM. I don't care if the US carriers do not use the eSIM as the ones where I travel can. But because I have the US model they cannot utilize it. This makes no since to me.
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Can someone tell me how Samsung can just not enable it and "blame the carriers" I travel a lot, and I bought it because I saw the eSIM. I don't care if the US carriers do not use the eSIM as the ones where I travel can. But because I have the US model they cannot utilize it. This makes no since to me.
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This is going to change.
But, the reason is because the carriers have leverage over Samsung.
Many smartphones are sold through carriers.
If Samsung does not "comply" with what the carriers want, then, the carriers will simply start boosting the sales of Samsung's Android competitors like OnePlus, Pixel, etc. through subsidies and deals.
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This is going to change.
But, the reason is because the carriers have leverage over Samsung.
Many smartphones are sold through carriers.
If Samsung does not "comply" with what the carriers want, then, the carriers will simply start boosting the sales of Samsung's Android competitors like OnePlus, Pixel, etc. through subsidies and deals.
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Correcta mundo , well said. However Apple never bent over for the USA carriers, I wonder why LOL JK.