Hello everyone. I have this phone for a week right now and I'm really impressed how brilliant it is! I love it. But there are some questions I want to ask you and one of it is:
What is your average charging time from ~0% to absolutely full 100%? In my case it's about 3 or even 4 hours of constant charging. Even when on 100%, my widget (Battery life by Curve fish) doesn't show it's fully charged - still I have to leave my phone connected and after 30/40 minutes it says "full" and I can disconnect it. It's pretty strange because the charger is meant to have 1,5A output which is VERY BIG current in comparison with Xperia PLAY's charger (850mA). And many reviews of this phone say that the full charging cycle takes about 1h 30min from 0 to 100... What do you think?
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Are you using it while charging 3-4 hours, if you are using it, it's charged and discharged at the same time?
But from what I know - thermal throttling is the cause again. Especially if you're using it.
Maybe it charges 1,5Ah for the first 15 - 30 minutes, but then the current goes down, because of the temperature.
Somewhere between 80-100% it is normal, that it takes longer. The charging current is as low as high is the battery charging state.
Hello, I will be getting my Moto X soon. I had a quick questions. I know it supports quick charging with the turbo charger. My question is does the phone need to be at a certain percentage for this to work it does the first 15 minutes of charging regardless how how much battery is left charge quicker? For example, I've seen various tests where it gets around 30% charge in 15 min. If I'm at 60% charge, can I go to 90% in 15 minutes or does the battery need to be at a critical level for me to get that amount of charge in that short a time? Thanks.
It ramps down as it gets closer to charged. I can add about 50 to 60 % charge in 20 minutes or so when it's low. Great when you need to shower.
ILowry282 said:
Hello, I will be getting my Moto X soon. I had a quick questions. I know it supports quick charging with the turbo charger. My question is does the phone need to be at a certain percentage for this to work it does the first 15 minutes of charging regardless how how much battery is left charge quicker? For example, I've seen various tests where it gets around 30% charge in 15 min. If I'm at 60% charge, can I go to 90% in 15 minutes or does the battery need to be at a critical level for me to get that amount of charge in that short a time? Thanks.
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I think it is the same as my Oppo Find 7 with its VOOC charger. It will fast charge up to 75% and from then on it will charge at normal rate to 90% and trickle charge for then to full.
The VOOC charger will charge my Oppo from 0%-75% in under 30 minutes and from 0%-full in under an hour but even though the Moto X has a smaller battery it charges slower. Also the Oppo doesn't come with any other charger than the VOOC and after all the charge cycles the battery performance has not dropped at all.
The other day I charged my Find 7 from dead to full and then charged my wives Find 7 in less time than it took to charge my Moto x from 5% to full.
I was under the impression that quick charge only works when your battery is almost completely dead, and it rapidly charges up to 60% (or around that number) and after that it charges at a normal rate. So you wouldnt be able to go from 60% to 90% in 15min, it would take the same amount of time as it would with a 2A power supply.
Here is my experience with the Turbo Charger. I forgot to charge my phone (after heavy use) before going to sleep. I woke up with it dead. I had to head to work in an hour. I stuck it on the Turbo Charger and after about 30 minutes I was charged from 0% to 80%. Left it on the charger for another 15 minutes while I finished getting ready and was at 90% by the time I was heading out the door.
I have also charged it from around 60%. Took roughly 20 minutes to charge to 100%. I did notice a slow down once it hit 90%.
I'm currently on Android 11, june patch. Just got the phone this week and noticed something very frustrating. I can generally "fast charging" as i only have a 15w charger for now. But sometimes if I unplug it and plug it back in, it just says "cable charging" i have other chargers and it's the same.. sometimes it says fast charging, but i downloaded Ampere and can see it only at 300mah and only goes up very slowly.. 1% every 4mins..
Anyone else with these issues?
Just try using the official charger and cable because everything else would be way dangerous. The same thing you have mentioned is happening to me as well. Try changing the way cable is plugged in. Turn it upside down.
Im using the 25w charger, Samsung original and neve chared with the stock 15w charger. It shows super fast charging, no problems here.
kevinwu128 said:
I'm currently on Android 11, june patch. Just got the phone this week and noticed something very frustrating. I can generally "fast charging" as i only have a 15w charger for now. But sometimes if I unplug it and plug it back in, it just says "cable charging" i have other chargers and it's the same.. sometimes it says fast charging, but i downloaded Ampere and can see it only at 300mah and only goes up very slowly.. 1% every 4mins..
Anyone else with these issues?
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yeah def charge with Samsung OEM charger
Meh, fast charging only will engage with 25 watt brick that is compatible.
$15 for a Samsung 25wbrick/cable at Walmart online, what's not to like?
I have 2 sets, the first one is over 1.5 years old and still runs A-OK.
jeeeesze...
Yeah i plan to get the 25w charger, just waiting on delivery. I'm just trying to reduce buying so many as i have so many spares from old phone that charge in just over an hour SOMETIMES And over 3 hour at other times! Frustration is even if i unplug and plug it back it, it never seems to go to fast charging unless i let it discharge a little. Winter here and it's cold so temperature of battery has been fine.
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Yeah i plan to get the 25w charger, just waiting on delivery. I'm just trying to reduce buying so many as i have so many spares from old phone that charge in just over an hour SOMETIMES And over 3 hour at other times! Frustration is even if i unplug and plug it back it, it never seems to go to fast charging unless i let it discharge a little. Winter here and it's cold so temperature of battery has been fine.
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Temperature matters. Charging is an electrochemical reaction. Too low a temperature and fast charging will not engage. Charging below 72-82F can cause Li plating to form which will permanently degrade the cell.
Never attempt to charge a Li at 40F or less!
Best battery start temperature is 85-95F
Li's fast charge best in the 90's.
Below 60F fast charging may not engage and it will slow charge for the remaining cycle.
Fast charging will disengage around 80% and at 90% will slow even more. This is to protect the battery.
If the battery temp get above about 101F fast charging will disengage. At around 104F it will stop charging all together.
Cool battery as it approaches 99F with a fan and/or damp microfiber cloth.
At ambient temperatures above 90F cooling will likely be needed for fast charging.
blackhawk said:
Temperature matters. Charging is an electrochemical reaction. Too low a temperature and fast charging will not engage. Charging below 72-82F can cause Li plating to form which will permanently degrade the cell.
Never attempt to charge a Li at 40F or less!
Best battery start temperature is 85-95F
Li's fast charge best in the 90's.
Below 60F fast charging may not engage and it will slow charge for the remaining cycle.
Fast charging will disengage around 80% and at 90% will slow even more. This is to protect the battery.
If the battery temp get above about 101F fast charging will disengage. At around 104F it will stop charging all together.
Cool battery as it approaches 99F with a fan and/or damp microfiber cloth.
At ambient temperatures above 90F cooling will likely be needed for fast charging.
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I don't really work with Fareinheit, but after looking, battery is reporting it as around 29degrees when charging. It does seem to be more consistent the last 2 days, i wonder if it's because the OS was still trying to learn my usage. It still happens, i just need to unplug and plug it back in when it says slow/cable charging. But haven't tested it too much, so still unsure.
I am still waiting on charger, i'll keep this forum updated in case anyone else is interested.
kevinwu128 said:
I don't really work with Fareinheit, but after looking, battery is reporting it as around 29degrees when charging. It does seem to be more consistent the last 2 days, i wonder if it's because the OS was still trying to learn my usage. It still happens, i just need to unplug and plug it back in when it says slow/cable charging. But haven't tested it too much, so still unsure.
I am still waiting on charger, i'll keep this forum updated in case anyone else is interested.
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Meh you do the conversion. For actual living the Celsius system is awkward at best.
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Meh you do the conversion. For actual living the Celsius system is awkward at best.
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Lol, i did. Temperature was fine.
I received my charger after i typed up message. I used it with super fast charging getting 3000mA from ampere app. Worked great unplugging and plugging it back in.
Tested using it on my s10 charger, and it showed up as fast charging, unplug, plugged it back in, cable charging only.
Went back to the 25w charger. It says super fast charging but hovers aroud 1000mA.
Can't get it to use high speed. Temperature at 28.5 degrees.
The only way for me, let it drain 10% and put it in the charger again to get 3000mA charging speed. The message that says "super fast charging" means nothing to be honest.
kevinwu128 said:
Lol, i did. Temperature was fine.
I received my charger after i typed up message. I used it with super fast charging getting 3000mA from ampere app. Worked great unplugging and plugging it back in.
Tested using it on my s10 charger, and it showed up as fast charging, unplug, plugged it back in, cable charging only.
Went back to the 25w charger. It says super fast charging but hovers aroud 1000mA.
Can't get it to use high speed. Temperature at 28.5 degrees.
The only way for me, let it drain 10% and put it in the charger again to get 3000mA charging speed. The message that says "super fast charging" means nothing to be honest.
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In what battery % range are you charging? It should draw closer to 4000-5000 ma at its peak fast charge rate with a 25w brick.
About 2%@minute when fast charging at peak rate.
Erratic fast charging can indicate a battery failure.
Any swelling is a failure. Replace immediately it this happens.
Other signs are deminished battery capacity.
Try clearing system cache.
Toggle the fast charging switch on/off 3 times.
Discharge until phone shuts down then charge to 100%. Some say to do this 3 times but one cycle worked for me to recalibrate the battery gauge.
Fast charging is a little b*tch when it goes south but always suspect a battery failure if this happens. A swollen battery can damage and destroy the phone.
Battery failures can happen at any time but are more likely to happen with degraded Li's.
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In what battery % range are you charging? It should draw closer to 4000-5000 ma at its peak fast charge rate with a 25w brick.
About 2%@minute when fast charging at peak rate.
Erratic fast charging can indicate a battery failure.
Any swelling is a failure. Replace immediately it this happens.
Other signs are deminished battery capacity.
Try clearing system cache.
Toggle the fast charging switch on/off 3 times.
Discharge until phone shuts down then charge to 100%. Some say to do this 3 times but one cycle worked for me to recalibrate the battery gauge.
Fast charging is a little b*tch when it goes south but always suspect a battery failure if this happens. A swollen battery can damage and destroy the phone.
Battery failures can happen at any time but are more likely to happen with degraded Li's.
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Thanks for the response, with the testing i've done, it's been 70% to 100% only.
i've been needing my phone for work, so i haven't had a chance to discharge it. Will try it this weekend.
Do you charge it back to 100% after a complete discharge with the phone Off or On?
kevinwu128 said:
Thanks for the response, with the testing i've done, it's been 70% to 100% only.
i've been needing my phone for work, so i haven't had a chance to discharge it. Will try it this weekend.
Do you charge it back to 100% after a complete discharge with the phone Off or On?
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At 70-100% you'll see much slower charging.
Li's prefer frequent midrange power cycling. It can extend their life by hundreds of full charge cycles. Example 40-70%
I rarely charge to 90-100% usually to 65-82%
I almost discharge below 30%, 40% or so being typical. Below 20% there's not a lot of usable energy. It also stresses the battery more when charging from a deep discharge state.
If you insist on charging to 100% at night at least slow charge it to reduce battery strain.
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At 70-100% you'll see much slower charging.
Li's prefer frequent midrange power cycling. It can extend their life by hundreds of full charge cycles. Example 40-70%
I rarely charge to 90-100% usually to 65-82%
I almost discharge below 30%, 40% or so being typical. Below 20% there's not a lot of usable energy. It also stresses the battery more when charging from a deep discharge state.
If you insist on charging to 100% at night at least slow charge it to reduce battery strain.
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i drained it to 0% until it turned off.
After turning back on, i plugged in the 25w charger and it started charging at 4000mA and max 4750 for only a few seconds for the first 10% and after that, it went down and stayed around 3000-3500mA. happy for that for now. So thanks for your input.
Basically, to get fast charging/super fast charging, don't unplug and plug in a few times unless you have to as it will revert to cable charging, and then you'll need to let it drain a little bit (i found, around 10mins ) before plugging it in again to get the fast speeds.
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i drained it to 0% until it turned off.
After turning back on, i plugged in the 25w charger and it started charging at 4000mA and max 4750 for only a few seconds for the first 10% and after that, it went down and stayed around 3000-3500mA. happy for that for now. So thanks for your input.
Basically, to get fast charging/super fast charging, don't unplug and plug in a few times unless you have to as it will revert to cable charging, and then you'll need to let it drain a little bit (i found, around 10mins ) before plugging it in again to get the fast speeds.
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Having the display on skews the charge curve, don't. It will charge slowly or not all if the display is on.
It you turn the display with it the battery page already open you have one or two seconds to see the display off mAh charging rate.
You can easily tell it's fast charging by watching how fast the battery percentage changes with the screen off.
1%@minute or less slow charging
2%@minute fast charging is active
Fast charging will ramp down depending on inputs like temperature and charge percentage the power controller recieves.
If it starts or goes under/over temperature fast charging will disengage for that charge cycle.
It also will ramp up/down sometimes throughout the below 80% range. This is normal.
Being in the optimum battery temperature range at the start and throughout the charge cycle is important but don't go too nuts. Higher is better than lower. Once the battery is below 70°F it will not fast charge as well (or at all) and/or can detrimental to the battery ie Li plating. There maybe other parameters the controller uses as well... not sure.
Oddly the Samsung 25w bricks are very tolerant of low input voltage. They will charge with as little as 60 VAC!
Like a few have said, fast charging like that will degrade your battery faster due to high temps, but the way you use it has a big impact on that. If you fast charge at those speeds to 100% take it off and use it constant until dead, and put it back on the charger then you will deff degrade it faster. Lithium cells need to rest between charge and discharge to let the the temperature settle. If not it's taking a hugh work load wearing down the internal resistance which drops the cells Mah rating.
Yeah, Im guilty of this too many times lol
Manufacturers know this as well but they know people want fast charging and largest battery capacity possible, they could at least make an option to lower the voltage down from 4.20v and a charger allowing us to switch between a few milliamp ratings..
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Like a few have said, fast charging like that will degrade your battery faster due to high temps, but the way you use it has a big impact on that. If you fast charge at those speeds to 100% take it off and use it constant until dead, and put it back on the charger then you will deff degrade it faster. Lithium cells need to rest between charge and discharge to let the the temperature settle. If not it's taking a hugh work load wearing down the internal resistance which drops the cells Mah rating.
Yeah, Im guilty of this too many times lol
Manufacturers know this as well but they know people want fast charging and largest battery capacity possible, they could at least make an option to lower the voltage down from 4.20v and a charger allowing us to switch between a few milliamp ratings..
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You're correct it's best to allow some rest after charging and to not fast charge.
In practice this goes out the window
I do try to keep the voltage down as well as the temperature below 100F. Ambient temperatures here are frequently in the 90's
If I get a year out of this new battery I'm good with that.
However once it's down to 80% of its original capacity it gets replaced to avoid a failure. That's what happened to the original battery and I was lucky it didn't damage the display.
Below is my typical usage and the 10+'s fast charging patterns. The last charge ended with a near ideal battery charging temp of 94F. It fast charged nearly the whole time.
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You're correct it's best to allow some rest after charging and to not fast charge.
In practice this goes out the window
I do try to keep the voltage down as well as the temperature below 100F. Ambient temperatures here are frequently in the 90's
If I get a year out of this new battery I'm good with that.
However once it's down to 80% of its original capacity it gets replaced to avoid a failure. That's what happened to the original battery and I was lucky it didn't damage the display.
Below is my typical usage and the 10+'s fast charging patterns. The last charge ended with a near ideal battery charging temp of 94F. It fast charged nearly the whole time.
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wow that's intense! Battery nerd (in a good way!) I downloaded the app and i've deleted it, i'll just leave it the way i have it for now haha
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You're correct it's best to allow some rest after charging and to not fast charge.
In practice this goes out the window
I do try to keep the voltage down as well as the temperature below 100F. Ambient temperatures here are frequently in the 90's
If I get a year out of this new battery I'm good with that.
However once it's down to 80% of its original capacity it gets replaced to avoid a failure. That's what happened to the original battery and I was lucky it didn't damage the display.
Below is my typical usage and the 10+'s fast charging patterns. The last charge ended with a near ideal battery charging temp of 94F. It fast charged nearly the whole time.
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Jeez, had that app for a long time until about a year ago... I use AccA on a Rooted Pixel but id say I started using it a bit late.. You know none of this would be an issue if they still used replaceable damn batteries!! Lol My old Bar & Flip phones before color screens lasted days to over a week, and still had spare battery near by... My Startac even had a Solar panel battery
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Jeez, had that app for a long time until about a year ago... I use AccA on a Rooted Pixel but id say I started using it a bit late.. You know none of this would be an issue if they still used replaceable damn batteries!! Lol My old Bar & Flip phones before color screens lasted days to over a week, and still had spare battery near by... My Startac even had a Solar panel battery
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Yeah I have a flip top and S4, takes about 30 seconds to change the batteries. Most of the newer Samsung's aren't that bad to change out the battery once you know a few tricks. Some phones with multiple batteries are bloody nightmares though.
Solar panel? That's pretty funny
One way to limit phone usage.
How long it is supposed to take to fully charge it with 25W charger?
Are the first times you charge it slower to reach full charge?
The time will vary. Battery capacity, discharge state at start of charge and the battery temperature throughout the charge cycle.
Charging from 0-100% stresses the battery (especially with fast charging) and shouldn't be commonly practiced.
Battery start charge temperature should be at least 72F, 82F is ideal. Cool it if it exceeds 99F while charging. Charging is a electrochemical reaction and some heat is needed to avoid Li plating.
Never attempt to charge an Li near freezing temperatures
Li's thrive on frequent partial charge cycling. 40-80% is a good range.
Avoid going below 20% or over 90% except occasionally for best lifespan.
High temperatures and high cell voltage are Li's biggest lifespan risks. Avoid running the phone when the battery is hot (>102F) or provide cooling. Keep it out of direct sunlight especially when charging.
Store Li's in a cool, dry place with a 50-70%charge, not 100%!
GSMArena:
" We tested the Galaxy A33 with the said 25W USB-C Samsung charger, and it replenished 50% of the battery in half an hour.
A full charge took 1 hour and 15 minutes, and in fact, that was the cited expected time to full charge by the software as well. "
Fast charging will yield roughly 2%@minute from 0-80% if battery doesn't go into over temperature ramp down. Time it to get the nominal rate for that device ie how many seconds per 1% when fast charging in the 40-70% range, probably 30-40 seconds per minute when new. As it's capacity from degradation drops so will this rate.
Charge rate will ramp down at around 80%, then again at about 90% to protect the battery.
Temperature is the biggest variable.
If the battery is below about 60F fast charging will not engage for that charge cycle in order to protect the battery.
Fast charging rate not clear cut as the power controller optimizes charge rate per conditions and will reduce charge rate if they're not in the optimum range.
Constant erratic fast charging cycles with a known good brick/cable indicates a battery failure.
Any battery swelling is a failure, stop charge and replace it asap. It can damage or destroy the phone
Replace the battery when it reaches 80% of its initial capacity, the end of its useful service life. At that point it's considered degraded, degraded Li's are far more likely to fail. An Li can fail at any time... it can happen fast. Cataclysmic failures however are rare.
My new A33 came a couple of days ago with about 30% charge. I used it a bit lightly with the intention of depleting it(so I can have it full when I root it), I haven't yet installed the SIM, and when it was about 15% I got tired so I downloaded an app "Generic Battery Drainer" to deplet it quicker until it reached 0% and turned off, then I charged it to 100% with the charger I purchased which came today(an OEM one)
I didn't know that you should never deplete the battery to 0% and also did not know that the battery should not be charged to 100%
I obviously also didn't know the dangers of high temperatures, because the drainer app took the cell phone to about 104ºF
What prompted me to post my question actually was that from 0% to 100% charge it took about 3 hours. So I'm wondering if maybe I should check if the OEM 25W charger that I got does not charge fast as advertised?
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My new A33 came a couple of days ago with about 30% charge. I used it a bit lightly with the intention of depleting it(so I can have it full when I root it), I haven't yet installed the SIM, and when it was about 15% I got tired so I downloaded an app "Generic Battery Drainer" to deplet it quicker until it reached 0% and turned off, then I charged it to 100% with the charger I purchased which came today(an OEM one)
I didn't know that you should never deplete the battery to 0% and also did not know that the battery should not be charged to 100%
I obviously also didn't know the dangers of high temperatures, because the drainer app took the cell phone to about 104ºF
What prompted me to post my question actually was that from 0% to 100% charge it took about 3 hours. So I'm wondering if maybe I should check if the OEM 25W charger that I got does not charge fast as advertised?
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You should fully charge a new battery before using. Are you using the cable that came with the brick? Is the wall socket wired correctly?
3 hours is far too long for fast charging.
Observe while charging to see if it's fast charging be % per minute.
The display must be off or it will skew the charge rate badly. Start and maintain it in temperature parameters described when charging.
If it drops out of fast charging because of temperature it will likely not reengage unless the cycle is manually started again ie unplug/ plug back in. Don't try to fast charge a hot (>98F) battery, it won't work. Cool the battery down and use cooling while charging. A damp microfiber cloth and/or fan work well.
Briefly turning on the display will not break the fast charging, it will resume once you turn off the display. Low current drain apps like Poweramp/bt can be used while fast charging but not high current drain ones.
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Are you using the cable that came with the brick? Is the wall socket wired correctly?
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I used the cable that came with the OEM charger that I purchased, seems to be identical kind of cable as the one that came with the phone.
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I used the cable that came with the OEM charger that I purchased, seems to be identical kind of cable as the one that came with the phone.
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Should be good to go.
When you get to 40%, try again... it's probably ok.
Try using a wall socket on a different breaker. Line voltage fluctuations won't effect this brick however neutral/ground fault might. Avoid using on a circuit with large induction motors on it ie microwave ovens, friges and A/C