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Thought about this and wanted to ask. If folks feel this is not appropriate then feel free to say so in a kindly manner and we can have the thread removed. Please do not respond to just bash or make offensive comments.
I'm in the technical field and there have been more women joining in. Curios as to how many ladies out there that are flashing their phones?
This is not public and shouldnt show anyone who they are. I will only post after 5 days the results.
i believe the majority of members on this board are men... however, alot more women are starting to surface and are eager to flash and help out... maybe the female members can help smack down the god complex some of our male members seem to have
I Am Woman -- Hear Me Roar!!!
LOL!! Yes, I'm a FEMALE geek and proud of it. Some of you already knew that, though (like Shogunmark, meschle, Dr. P. and vijay -- among others)
I've said it before, and I'll say it again -- I've flashed my Wizard with more ROMS than Quaker's got oats. For me, it's a POWER issue that I can do anything a MAN can do -- and just as well, if not better.
I used to just build desktop systems for myself, my family and friends, but then I got my Wizard and found this forum and I've become an INCURABLE addict. I just HAVE to have the newest ROM that hits the forums.
I don't think you'll find any of my posts asking about how to do something because I don't want to look like a "dumb female". Rather, I spend a LOT of time reading and learning so I know how to fix something ahead of time.
Now, I'm do a lot of reading on programming languages and coding. Sometimes, I think I'm in over my head with it, though. But, the only way to learn is to read and by "hands on" experience. So, I'll wait til the Kaiser comes out to buy it and start applying some of the stuff I'm learning to the Wizard when it won't matter if I muck it up. . .
This is fantastic. Glad you posted Newbie2. Wish other ladies here would follow suit. Like to see the ladies win this cause the men are slacking by just veiwing and not posting.
Thanks for voting Newbie2...
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LOL!! Yes, I'm a FEMALE geek and proud of it. Some of you already knew that, though (like Shogunmark, meschle, Dr. P. and vijay -- among others)
I've said it before, and I'll say it again -- I've flashed my Wizard with more ROMS than Quaker's got oats. For me, it's a POWER issue that I can do anything a MAN can do -- and just as well, if not better.
I used to just build desktop systems for myself, my family and friends, but then I got my Wizard and found this forum and I've become an INCURABLE addict. I just HAVE to have the newest ROM that hits the forums.
I don't think you'll find any of my posts asking about how to do something because I don't want to look like a "dumb female". Rather, I spend a LOT of time reading and learning so I know how to fix something ahead of time.
Now, I'm do a lot of reading on programming languages and coding. Sometimes, I think I'm in over my head with it, though. But, the only way to learn is to read and by "hands on" experience. So, I'll wait til the Kaiser comes out to buy it and start applying some of the stuff I'm learning to the Wizard when it won't matter if I muck it up. . .
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Totally agree with you, I am also a female and now reading hard on this forum to make my first cook rom for my lovely hermes
??? 3 female posters. only 2 women in the poll total so far.
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??? 3 female posters. only 2 women in the poll total so far.
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Is it really that surprising? Male geeks seem to be vast majority....
I've never seen a good looking woman that is geak (technique interested)..so...now im wondering..
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I've never seen a good looking woman that is geak (technique interested)..so...now im wondering..
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. . . probably 'cause we're too busy tweaking our phones (and picking up after the MEN) to care how we look. LMAO!!!
Going have to disagree here. I've been in meetings and worked closely along side with several women that were very attractive. I work at the photonic layer and some of these women are truly geeks. (Never judge a book by its cover)
I forgot to mention the rules, lowest number wins
There have been 438 views on this thread thus far. Tells you who all is just browsing and willing to participate
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I've never seen a good looking woman that is geak (technique interested)..so...now im wondering..
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3 women?? What the hell?? Men rule! We're the elite!! Ha!
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LOL!! Yes, I'm a FEMALE geek and proud of it. Some of you already knew that, though (like Shogunmark, meschle, Dr. P. and vijay -- among others)
I've said it before, and I'll say it again -- I've flashed my Wizard with more ROMS than Quaker's got oats. For me, it's a POWER issue that I can do anything a MAN can do -- and just as well, if not better.
I used to just build desktop systems for myself, my family and friends, but then I got my Wizard and found this forum and I've become an INCURABLE addict. I just HAVE to have the newest ROM that hits the forums.
I don't think you'll find any of my posts asking about how to do something because I don't want to look like a "dumb female". Rather, I spend a LOT of time reading and learning so I know how to fix something ahead of time.
Now, I'm do a lot of reading on programming languages and coding. Sometimes, I think I'm in over my head with it, though. But, the only way to learn is to read and by "hands on" experience. So, I'll wait til the Kaiser comes out to buy it and start applying some of the stuff I'm learning to the Wizard when it won't matter if I muck it up. . .
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Fair play!
Girls geeks have their non-physical sexiness. I like girls with BIG phones (e.g. HTC series, SonyE P900 series, etc) makes looks more sophisticated rather than just face and dress. And girls talking Linux and programmings are sexy in a way.. probably it makes them looks smarter I like smart girls.
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The only thing I wonder about is why some women want things that men have just because men have them. That was the old 60s/70s feminism - we want what men have. Since then the movement grew up and now in the main it is more about women going for the things they want, whether or not these are things men do or want.
So I worry about your statement :
"For me, it's a POWER issue that I can do anything a MAN can do -- and just as well, if not better."
Who gives a sh** about whether a man can do it or not, it's whether you want to do it or not that matters.
As a famous feminist Germain Greer once said "comparing ourselves to men serves only to demean us and make us look weak, as if we looked up to men and strive to be as good as they are. More to the point is whether we can achieve the things we want to achieve without reference to men at all"
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I remember the "power struggle" of the Women's Movement back in the late 60's and early 70's, since I was just graduating High School at that time. So, some of that propaganda has stayed with me over the years. But I'm afraid the old adage of "A woman has to work twice as hard to achieve twice as much to be considered half as good as a man" is still the norm in the business world, unfortunately. And you still hear the assinine gossip about any woman that actually WORKS her way to the top SLEPT her way to the top. While women have made great strides in the business community in the past 30 years, it's still considered a "man's world" out there.
But to put your anxiety about my statement to rest -- I do it to prove to MYSELF that I can do it -- because I WANT to do it. And I actually was echoing the "brand" put on me by some of my co-workers about being a "female geek". A geek is a geek is a geek -- doesn't matter whether they're maile or female. It's like I've contracted some type of communicable disease. But when THEY have problems, guess who they come to?? LOL!!
I'm an independent spirit and actually my worst fear is ever having to depend on ANYONE for anything. So, I've learned to learn to do for myself. And -- at the end of the day -- I can honestly say I've done all I can do and feel good about what I accomplished. . .
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A geek is a geek is a geek -- doesn't matter whether they're maile or female.
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That is somewhat not true, sex does play a part in certain (not all) things/situations. Take Lara Croft, of Tomb Raider, for example, I don't think the game itself will be a hit if you have a muscle guys doing all those little moves "Action girls" are still currently not a norm yet, and hence made them unique, so does girl-geeks. Guy-geeks are usually marked as 'geek', while girl-geeks may be marked as 'intelligent'. Same goes with a guy on certain subject, girl-cooks are 'nice', while guy-cooks are sexy. Guy-presidents are.. *yawn*.. girl-presidents are WOW.
And I remember this from a movie..
Men with grey hairs are sexy, women with grey hairs are just old.
Women with breasts are sexy, men with breasts are ....
ps: Hanmin's law.. nice Lets tag the geeks
women are the backbone of the world
men have highly easy to mutate y cromosoms
and a stable x cromosom
women have 2 x so if 1 is bad they got the other
evolution is in mutation which is the Y cromosom so this is where we adapt
so
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6547675.stm
would be bad for human kind
less small mutation to adapt our spieces
men are in general more extreme then females
their IQ curse is more flat meaning they are more present in the
extreme high iq and also in the extreme low iq
both places extremes where people dont
prosper
being in the middle where most women reside is
the backbone of the world really
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women are the backbone of the world
men have highly easy to mutate y cromosoms
and a stable x cromosom
women have 2 x so if 1 is bad they got the other
evolution is in mutation which is the Y cromosom so this is where we adapt
so
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6547675.stm
would be bad for human kind
less small mutation to adapt our spieces
men are in general more extreme then females
their IQ curse is more flat meaning they are more present in the
extreme high iq and also in the extreme low iq
both places extremes where people dont
prosper
being in the middle where most women reside is
the backbone of the world really
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i bet that makes a great pick up line.. lol
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Mmm. well since women aren't the backbone here at XDA-Dev, then by your case that must be because XDA-Dev is at one of the male extremes. Either very low or very high IQ. Maybe we should let newbie2 decide the answer!
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Let's just say I've seen both ends of the spectrum on here and leave it at that.
And -- just so you don't think I spend ALL my time on here and don't do anything else, at the present I'm multi-tasking. . . have a chicken in the smoker for supper, doing laundry, AND setting up my new GPS software.
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For me, it's a POWER issue that I can do anything a MAN can do -- and just as well, if not better.
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What about flashing Linux on your phone ? AFAIK no man has done it yet
PS. Hm, wizard may be a tough choice for linux.
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What about flashing Linux on your phone ? AFAIK no man has done it yet
PS. Hm, wizard may be a tough choice for linux.
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Maybe there is a missing (harware) link, like the SonyE P900 phone??
My guess this forum consist of 95% guys...could I be wrong? Are we living in a world where only guys buy top of the line phone and want to know how to tweak and upgrade their kaiser?
not Only, just mainly...
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not Only, just mainly...
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Exactly!!!
And, if I had my life to live over, I'd find one of those girls and marry her
RemE said:
And, if I had my life to live over, I'd find one of those girls and marry her
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Ironic is it...I'm as geeky as a girl can get, and I have the hardest time finding a guy! The vast majority of you just aren't interested in a girl that is smart, makes a good living, would rather spend the day playing with an XBox than going shopping... but isn't drop-dead gorgeous with a sexy, hot body. I seem to generally attract the loser types that are 40 and still living with their parents.
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Ironic is it...I'm as geeky as a girl can get, and I have the hardest time finding a guy! The vast majority of you just aren't interested in a girl that is smart, makes a good living, would rather spend the day playing with an XBox than going shopping... but isn't drop-dead gorgeous with a sexy, hot body. I seem to generally attract the loser types that are 40 and still living with their parents.
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Join date Oct 2007, and 87 post already.
You have to be a geeky girl,
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Ironic is it...I'm as geeky as a girl can get, and I have the hardest time finding a guy! The vast majority of you just aren't interested in a girl that is smart, makes a good living, would rather spend the day playing with an XBox than going shopping... but isn't drop-dead gorgeous with a sexy, hot body. I seem to generally attract the loser types that are 40 and still living with their parents.
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you'll be suprised.
I am curious as to what a typical (or atypical) Kaiser girl looks like.
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I am curious as to what a typical (or atypical) Kaiser girl looks like.
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Translation:
PIC PIC PIC PIC PIC PLEAAAASSE!!!!
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I am curious as to what a typical (or atypical) Kaiser girl looks like.
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LOL digital pimp hard at work!
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LOL digital pimp hard at work!
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Yeah, seriously, you guys are pathetic! Nonetheless, I added a photo to my profile...one of the few decent ones I actually have from when I was wearing contacts (my eyes always seem to eventually start rejecting them and I have to go back to glasses, yuck!)
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Join date Oct 2007, and 87 post already.
You have to be a geeky girl,
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Sad, huh? I work as a freelance programmer (have a popular ecommerce software package that I sell and support), set up my own home network, do a lot of beta testing and reviewing for other people, and so on. Like a fair number of geeks though, I didn't have great social skills growing up, didn't really fit in with girls my age. So always feel like I'm playing catch-up now.
Geez, this wasn't a topic I really expected to get into on here!
Ive recently started to develop a case of yellow fever. That seems to be your best bet if you are looking for nerdy and cute girl. However its a matter of taste, not everyone is into that.
As with all stereotypes, its not true 100% of the time, but its it has been for me so far.
A lot of us geeks got our first real social skills from forums like these.... that's not entirely a good thing, either. lol
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Sad, huh? I work as a freelance programmer (have a popular ecommerce software package that I sell and support), set up my own home network, do a lot of beta testing and reviewing for other people, and so on. Like a fair number of geeks though, I didn't have great social skills growing up, didn't really fit in with girls my age. So always feel like I'm playing catch-up now.
Geez, this wasn't a topic I really expected to get into on here!
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another curiosity...what does your kaiser today screen look like?
Someone with all your post, gotta have a tweaked up phone.
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another curiosity...what does your kaiser today screen look like?
Someone with all your post, gotta have a tweaked up phone.
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Just go look for it over the in the Today Screen thread. I actually posted a few different ones on there and yes, it's seriously tweaked, and quite awesome if I do say so myself.
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A lot of us geeks got our first real social skills from forums like these.... that's not entirely a good thing, either. lol
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You know, that's very true in my case. I've been networking online since the earliest days of the web and even before that on BBS's (anyone remember those?!) I was much more introverted and shy then, these days I am far more confident and articulate in large part due to all the years of throwing myself into the middle of discussions online. And yeah, it's a catch-22 for sure. I do think some guys are intimidated by me, not so much even that I am brainy, but because I do have opinions of my own and will argue for them. Not to the point of being argumentative by any means, and in a real fight I will almost always back down first...but I know I've thrown some guys off because they will make some statement about something political or such, and I'll just come right out with "Oh, I don't agree with that at all." For all that men will talk about wanting someone who is witty and intelligent, etc. I often find that they aren't sure how to handle it when they get it.
To quote my avatar....
"Whoa. A fat, sarcastic Star Trek fan. You must be a devil with the ladies."
Somehow I got the feeling that the typical Kaiser "chick" didn't look like Sandra Bullock from The Net.
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Somehow I got the feeling that the typical Kaiser "chick" didn't look like Sandra Bullock from The Net.
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dayum homie, if i read what you said correctly, that was wrong yo!
thank God that the reactions are relatively mild...
however am curious.. if one is not given tamiflu etc for the swine flu, and instead given the standard flu treatment.. ie rest and parcetamol for the fever... will the body heal itself like as per normal flu?
Respectfully
I don´t think that this subject will be of any help for anyone, XDA were almost free of this nasty world theme...
Just my opinion, let´s talk better of any related theme to this site
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Respectfully
I don´t think that this subject will be of any help for anyone, XDA were almost free of this nasty world theme...
Just my opinion, let´s talk better of any related theme to this site
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this is a off topic segment right?
anyway i respect the majority views here.. if so, then lets stop this thread.. but i am geninuelly interested to know more about this strain of the virus..
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this is a off topic segment right?
anyway i respect the majority views here.. if so, then lets stop this thread.. but i am geninuelly interested to know more about this strain of the virus..
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There are many other channels to find out what you need on that subject and much better than in here...
But as you said this is off topic, just wanted to express my opinion. I live in México and I´m really sick of this mediatic euphoric flu...
Respectfully, this is my point of view.
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There are many other channels to find out what you need on that subject and much better than in here...
But as you said this is off topic, just wanted to express my opinion. I live in México and I´m really sick of this mediatic euphoric flu...
Respectfully, this is my point of view.
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ah i understand where you are coming from... i hope all of you folks is well..
take care buddy
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ah i understand where you are coming from... i hope all of you folks is well..
take care buddy
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Thanks
As I said, it was more a mediatic than what real hapened here, we are all ok
I have never met anyone in my country that got the flu
It was an strategy from our goverment to use an emergency money....
Anyway, we are all ok, hope this thread at least helps to erase the bad image foreigners have from MĂ©xico regarding the flu.
being that swine flu have proven not to have a higher fatality
then normal flu
and a bit less infectious then normal flu
it's a bit like going "common cold is virtually everywhere.."
The hype has died but the virus is spreading even more.
Doesnt make sense really.
Lets see...
If somebody comes here and talk about... HITTLER.
The judish can be so upset about it... and angry!
If we come an talk something about... Racism Black Guys... Black guys get upset...and angry!
seems that you dont know nothing about what happend:
Lets talk a little this begins like this...
Our gub needs money to support the crisis... The president talk to other presidents and they say We need to get a big trouble to obtain from International srvice that money "we" need... so... TADAAAAAA Swine Flu!!!!!
O **** Mexico is full of swine we must to help them well thats what the presidents that integrates that mundial organization says! they gives money to mexico and mexico pays to USA to ENGLAND to many others... everybody happy...
Search Swine flu is here long time ago the swine flu kills more people than HIV? NO! more than a simple flu? no! the problem is that we didnt know how to take care of ourselves... and let the swine flu converts itself and morph to a bigger known trouble...
Please this has been told a lot... keep quite and keep your children nice....
Thats all i can say and will say ever about this ****!
Better take care for accident car produced by drunk... That! KILS!! more!!! than!!! swine!!!! flu!!!
thats what diseases does best with or without hype
but as I said it's been proven not to be more dangerous
then the normal string of flu's that come around every now and then
This is a bit of an odd one but I'm hoping you guys can help.
I'm getting married on the 10th October and have written the bulk of my speech (a bit of history, the thank you's, etc), I just want to add a bit extra to make it stand out and memorable. I'm "a bit of" a geek, I did Electronic Engineering at Uni, I keep upto date with gadget/tech news with sites like Engadget and Gizmodo, I've played about a bit with ROMs and tweaks for my HD2 to the point of being called "obsessed" and so on. So I want to add a bit of a geeky theme into parts of my speech.
I've already put in that the wedding date is 10/10/10, when 101010 in binary is converted to decimal; it is the Ultimate Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, The Universe, and Everything (42).
What else do you guys think I should include?
Thanks for the help in advance!
if i may say so...dont add anything geeky to the wedding... afterall your wedding..leave tech for that day...it just doesnt suit for wedding speaches...but thats just my opinion
Congrats on the marriage!
In regards to the tech references, it does depend, at least in my opinion, what the other guests think of tech etc. If your Significent other it into Tech as well, I do not see much of an issue with it, as it is your wedding afterall.
I do like the 101010 part. Thats clever.
Sorry that I haven't been much use, just thought I would offer my opinion on the tech part.
Congrats Man can't say i's be of much help though either ;D
Cheers guys, I can see why it is and isn't something that should be part of it. The reason why I thought of it was that my university friends will be there and I want to try to include them in my speech as well, whether as a joke or something else. Also, my dad and older brother have passed their geekyness onto me, which I suppose is why I took my course.
The opening line I've used is:
"I'm sure you'll all know it's been an emotional day, even the cake is in Tiers!"
I was looking for a couple more nerdy jokes to put the finishing touches to it.
As thats the case, then i would put a few more in, but not overload it. i.e don't do it in the tone of yoda throughout
(I actually lol'd about the cake...)
The cake is a lie....
Yeoldgreat1,
Firstly, congratulations on the marriage plans!
Secondly, my first son is due on 10/10/10 and I'd worked out the binary value too. Excellent work, great minds think alike!
Thirdly, congratulations on supporting the greatest team known to man. Arteta for England!!
Fourthly, I have no suggestions for your speech...
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Yeoldgreat1,
Firstly, congratulations on the marriage plans!
Secondly, my first son is due on 10/10/10 and I'd worked out the binary value too. Excellent work, great minds think alike!
Thirdly, congratulations on supporting the greatest team known to man. Arteta for England!!
Fourthly, I have no suggestions for your speech...
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hahaha sorry found that funny
Thanks, I was looking for some smart/geeky jokes to put in, I know it's hard to find some suitable ones.
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Secondly, my first son is due on 10/10/10 and I'd worked out the binary value too. Excellent work, great minds think alike!
Thirdly, congratulations on supporting the greatest team known to man. Arteta for England!!
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Congrats with your son, I hope he becomes the biggest blue ever
First of all, congrats!
Now to business...
There's bound to be people who don't understand your 101010 joke. So you can follow that up with "There are 10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't."
Then, of course, there are the classics:
"All my base are belong to you."
"I knew it was love when I memorized your IP number to skip DNS overhead."
Seriously though, don't overdo the geek stuff. Mix in some material to get the tears flowing. Those are the lines that will be most memorable, not any of the geek jokes.
Here's a line I used as a closing to my wedding speech:
"Sometimes, you would laugh and giggle, and I think to myself, what a wonderful world."
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Congrats with your son, I hope he becomes the biggest blue ever
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Cheers, and he will. He'll be the Premiership's top scorer in 2029/30!
i think i will learn more english than phone knowledge.
my mobile is meizu m9 and i cant find much of it.
reading books and novels taught me good English
The best thing I know to do is to start asking questions and never stop.
Sadly, too many of us here in the U.S. don't care and don't take pride in being able to write properly.
I know I'm new here (in fact I'm *brand new* as of today) but if you have questions, I'm certain there's others on here like me who can help.
Remember: we learn by doing.
I learned English at a strip joint.
Assuming you're in China, get a girlfriend who can't speak Chinese.
Join more activities with people from different countries.
I'm not a proponent of the "immersive" approach to language education, tbh. I don't believe it really works all that well, and I do believe it is an extremely resource-intensive, inefficient approach.
But then again, that's just me talking.
I just got rosetta stone for arabic. The pronunciation is killing me. Can't vouch for it though, just started it.
Cable television helped a lot with my english, back when I was in school (20 years ago)
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I just got rosetta stone for arabic. The pronunciation is killing me. Can't vouch for it though, just started it.
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need help?, I am a native
@clown, yup movies, movies and more movies without reading subtitles
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need help?, I am a native
@clown, yup movies, movies and more movies without reading subtitles
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I'll keep that in mind, thanks. I'm saving up for a backpacking trip to the Middle East. That is is some beautiful land and culture yall have out there. Just so much untouched land. I've backpacked around America, but never been outside the US.
EDIT There is one thing that you can help me with. Besides Al Jazerra, what other news sites would be good to watch/read to learn more. Also, do you know of a good way to learn the alphabet and writing? Thanks.
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I'll keep that in mind, thanks. I'm saving up for a backpacking trip to the Middle East. That is is some beautiful land and culture yall have out there. Just so much untouched land. I've backpacked around America, but never been outside the US.
EDIT There is one thing that you can help me with. Besides Al Jazerra, what other news sites would be good to watch/read to learn more. Also, do you know of a good way to learn the alphabet and writing? Thanks.
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here's one http://www.alarabiya.net/
with the alphabets, sry idk.
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here's one http://www.alarabiya.net/
with the alphabets, sry idk.
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Thanks man
best advice is to hang out with people who speak the language you want to learn, Then ,read out load every day that language (gets your mouth used to saying the words). That was the biggest help for me
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I'm not a proponent of the "immersive" approach to language education, tbh. I don't believe it really works all that well, and I do believe it is an extremely resource-intensive, inefficient approach.
But then again, that's just me talking.
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Immersion is pretty well proven to be the fastest way to learn a language actually. I studied Spanish for 5 years in high school and college and learned more Japanese in the first six months I lived in Japan without studying for one minute than I learned in 5 years of Spanish classes.
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Immersion is pretty well proven to be the fastest way to learn a language actually. I studied Spanish for 5 years in high school and college and learned more Japanese in the first six months I lived in Japan without studying for one minute than I learned in 5 years of Spanish classes.
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Here's my question on that point: Do you attribute immersion itself, or that by living in Japan you had a credible "need to know" as opposed to a merely arbitrary academic requirement and/or interest when you were still in school?
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Here's my question on that point: Do you attribute immersion itself, or that by living in Japan you had a credible "need to know" as opposed to a merely arbitrary academic requirement and/or interest when you were still in school?
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*the bold
What's the difference? Not sure what point you're trying to make. Please explain.
Btros said:
Immersion is pretty well proven to be the fastest way to learn a language actually. I studied Spanish for 5 years in high school and college and learned more Japanese in the first six months I lived in Japan without studying for one minute than I learned in 5 years of Spanish classes.
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Can't agree more, they taught us hebrew in my school and I can barely understand that language
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SciFiSurfer said:
Here's my question on that point: Do you attribute immersion itself, or that by living in Japan you had a credible "need to know" as opposed to a merely arbitrary academic requirement and/or interest when you were still in school?
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boborone said:
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What's the difference? Not sure what point you're trying to make. Please explain.
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I agree, I think that is the point of immersion - that you are forced to find ways to communicate in the native language. The best advice I ever got about learning Japanese in Japan was from a fellow American - he saw me keep looking in my English to Japanese dictionary and told me to throw that thing away and get a Japanese to English one. Instead of looking up words in English and then trying to say the Japanese word I saw there, I would listen to the Japanese speaker telling me something, look up the word IN JAPANESE and then find the meaning on my own in English.
Using the words I learned in an authentic context day after day was the only way I learned to use them naturally.
boborone said:
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What's the difference? Not sure what point you're trying to make. Please explain.
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Well, just like Btros said, he took Hebrew in school and can't function at all in it. The difference is that when you take a language in school, unless you actually have a personal passion for learning another language, or that language in particular, you don't really have a need-to-know and so you don't really learn it.
Btros said:
I agree, I think that is the point of immersion - that you are forced to find ways to communicate in the native language.
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I suppose one could stumble through this sort of process, but it just seems like a very painful one. For one, how can you look up words in a language you don't know? I mean, if I were listening to a Japanese speaker, I'd have enough of a time trying to hear the individual words, let alone ever attempting to reconstruct their spelling and, from there, look up the meaning of the word.
Without at least some formal instruction, how can someone actually know what they're listening to? It's not like any of us native speakers speak. like. this. when. talking. to. other. people. in. the. real. world. and yet, without conversations being had in that manner. we native speakers speaklikethiswhentalkingtootherpeopleintherealworld and that is basically impossible, aurally, to pick apart when you don't have vocabulary.
SciFiSurfer said:
Well, just like Btros said, he took Hebrew in school and can't function at all in it. The difference is that when you take a language in school, unless you actually have a personal passion for learning another language, or that language in particular, you don't really have a need-to-know and so you don't really learn it.
I suppose one could stumble through this sort of process, but it just seems like a very painful one. For one, how can you look up words in a language you don't know? I mean, if I were listening to a Japanese speaker, I'd have enough of a time trying to hear the individual words, let alone ever attempting to reconstruct their spelling and, from there, look up the meaning of the word.
Without at least some formal instruction, how can someone actually know what they're listening to? It's not like any of us native speakers speak. like. this. when. talking. to. other. people. in. the. real. world. and yet, without conversations being had in that manner. we native speakers speaklikethiswhentalkingtootherpeopleintherealworld and that is basically impossible, aurally, to pick apart when you don't have vocabulary.
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you should work in politics or better yet, samsung pr
"ah yes, that's a nice question, hey look over there"