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Ghost thread / accusations of keeping a rom from public.

There has been some discussion and rumor about a ghost thread and someone keeping a rom from the public, I've looked into the situation and by this message would like to respond publicly about it. I hope this will clear up any rumors going around and will return this forum to what it should be, a place to discuss and develop.
The "ghost thread":
The thread with subject "How to cook in a OEM Application (package) with uninstall functions?" has been closed by the moderator Duttythroy by request of the original poster. This can be seen in google cache as well as on this screenshot from our pda archive. It has been permanently removed from the forum and can not be restored. This happens often when a thread is closed and doesn't seem to be of much importance to prevent clutter in the forum. ​ To prevent discussions like these in the future I've removed the ability to permanently remove threads from now on.
I have no reason to believe this thread was removed on purpose with malicious intent.
Accusations of keeping a rom from the public:
There have been accusations that a certain member is keeping a source rom from the public by paying people not to distribute it. The person who allegedly got paid to not share this rom does not wish to tell me who did this nor wishes to provide proof for this. As the system shows this user has removed all messages in his PM box there is no way for me to gain access to this information if it ever was in his PM box to begin with. I thus have no reason to believe that a rom is being kept from the public with malicious intent.
About the sharing principle in general:
A lot of rom chefs have complained that keeping a rom from other chefs no matter what the reason is a breach of the sharing principle of this forum and should be punished.
Though we believe that by sharing the community will benefit most it is not a rule, I can not nor do I wish to force people to share. Sometimes there are simply more important issues with a rom that might cause someone not to want to share, think of sources that need protecting or legal issues. I don't think our sharing principle should be enforced with the risk of sources losing their jobs or people getting sued because they shared, this most certainly won't be good for the future of xda-developers.
Best regards,
Flar
p.s. I will leave this thread open for discussion for a while, but do request that you do not post personal attacks here and try to keep the discussion civil.

Flar said:
There has been some discussion and rumor about a ghost thread and someone keeping a rom from the public, I've looked into the situation and by this message would like to respond publicly about it. I hope this will clear up any rumors going around and will return this forum to what it should be, a place to discuss and develop.
The "ghost thread":
The thread with subject "How to cook in a OEM Application (package) with uninstall functions?" has been closed by the moderator Duttythroy by request of the original poster. This can be seen in google cache as well as on this screenshot from our pda archive. It has been permanently removed from the forum and can not be restored. This happens often when a thread is closed and doesn't seem to be of much importance to prevent clutter in the forum. ​ To prevent discussions like these in the future I've removed the ability to permanently remove threads from now on.
I have no reason to believe this thread was removed on purpose with malicious intent.
Accusations of keeping a rom from the public:
There have been accusations that a certain member is keeping a source rom from the public by paying people not to distribute it. The person who allegedly got paid to not share this rom does not wish to tell me who did this nor wishes to provide proof for this. As the system shows this user has removed all messages in his PM box there is no way for me to gain access to this information if it ever was in his PM box to begin with. I thus have no reason to believe that a rom is being kept from the public with malicious intent.
About the sharing principle in general:
A lot of rom chefs have complained that keeping a rom from other chefs no matter what the reason is a breach of the sharing principle of this forum and should be punished.
Though we believe that by sharing the community will benefit most it is not a rule, I can not nor do I wish to force people to share. Sometimes there are simply more important issues with a rom that might cause someone not to want to share, think of sources that need protecting or legal issues. I don't think our sharing principle should be enforced with the risk of sources losing their jobs or people getting sued because they shared, this most certainly won't be good for the future of xda-developers.
Best regards,
Flar
p.s. I will leave this thread open for discussion for a while, but do request that you do not post personal attacks here and try to keep the discussion civil.
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I respect your choice. Good work to all the chefs, mods and admin.

I respect your choice!
Good work to everybody!

You do what you have to do.
Respect!

Thanks Flar for clearing things up.
I can only hope this has now been resolved and harmony returns to xda developers.

I think Flar is right, but for another reason that she didn't mention, I believe that sharing is good for the community, but sharing means to be willing to share. If you force someone to share something, it's more like stealing.

Can we all be friends again now?
Group hug??

The real question now is this:
Is everything going to return to normal in the forum now?
Or did we lost some chefs/mods?
I guess time will tell...

Since there isn't much that can be done and the Admin did whatever he could and posted the investigation results publicly, we should respect his decision and accept the facts on the face value and not on assumptions. I hope things will getback to normal and the chefs would reopen their ROMs for the public, who love and adore their work.
XDA is a wonderful place for HTC device owners due to the extremely talanted developers and chefs, who are anytime better than the ones wotking at Microsoft and HTC.
So I humbly request all the chefs to re-open their ROMs to the loving and dedicated fans and get back the XDA spirit.
Thank you.

Hello
Thanks for the clear answer and hope that's poeple are going down a bit..
Still unclear if the cookers can share the new rom or not... as the Admin didn't find any proof
Anyway hope that it was just a little storm
Long life to XDA

gigaboss said:
I think Flar is right, but for another reason that she didn't mention, I believe that sharing is good for the community, but sharing means to be willing to share. If you force someone to share something, it's more like stealing.
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Exactly.
Personally If I give my word to someone promising not to do something, I will do that, and I expect that also others respect this, and behave coherently with my position.
Clearly as steted in the first post above, when such an extent is reached (like people getting sued or fired) this becomes exponentially more important.
I would like to say that I just joined this community before the thing blew, and as far as I am concerned it seems that things are cooling down, so thanks to the Admins and Moderators for your efforts. (We are civil people, or at least we should behave like it)
Also a thank to all the Chef's, because you can do what I cannot, I appreciate your work, please do not get discouraged and keep it up with the excellent service you provide to the masses here on XDA.
Ciao from Italy.

I am glad there has been progress on the matter.
What happened was sooooooooooo unnecessary and i still believe could have been dealt with better.
I have posted a PM to Flar about how i feel.
XDA is more important than individuals, this must not happen again.
Phew, feel better now

Good speech, but I think everything is the same!
The world is made of corruption, and where it is you can not do anything!
Chef small is nothing, but Big Chef power can not be discussed.
Solution: Leave XDA or lives to it so.
I continue make my roms with love.. Not with money!!!
MaryOne is here to make people happy!!!
Life is beautiful!

Can we have an official answer from dutty about accusations?

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Can we have an official answer from dutty about accusations?
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It's up to dutty to decide if he wants to discuss this but i think he should do that when he's ready. I've spoken to him yesterday and he's currently very busy with his personal life so it might take some time.
Best regards,
Flar

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Can we have an official answer from dutty about accusations?
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I think he already made his official answer towards rhis matter.

Hopefully we can all resume normal communication now. The rules have been changed so that it won't be possible for mods to permanently erase threads which offers some official traceability if issues arise.

jouh said:
I think he already made his official answer towards rhis matter.
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In all closed threads Dutty have many "lawyers", I think not need. He will surely respond.

jouh said:
I think he already made his official answer towards rhis matter.
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Let him answer and not his lawyers.

At least... with your hand to put in... and with your comment and your decision, this makes sense and let all of users to understand this matter.
Now.. i'm really happy and wish all of your cookers to return to our famous website.
Thanks,
KCJ

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ok folks due to the fools in here constantly tormenting for source i dont have i have had my honeystreak post locked, and since i am absolutley sick of xdas stupid rules now im moving everything over to a far better forum.
I doubt this post will be allowed to stay here simply because its advertising, but i personally dont care, im sick of xda and their stupid rules

GPL is nothing to do with "xda's stupid rules". We simply enforce the requirements set out by the GPL. As a kernel developer, you more than most, should know that the source is required when you post a modified kernel, as you have done.
We don't "go picking" on anyone in particular. We deal with all devs who are in the same position, as we come across them.

Big phones house such Samsung, Dell, HTC well for make it shortly, everyone that use Linux code in their Kernel devices, are forced to pubblic their source in compliant with GPL, rules so we are, i don't see the point why developers that use a big site like this think that they can skip this GLOBAL rule.
We didn't ask you who/where/when and how you did grab that source, we don't care about it, we only requested you to post the source even in a GITHUB form or a zip file uploaded in some anonymous server such Multiupload.
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Don't blame us for what is happened, Richard Stallman is the man to blame here and don't worry for this thread, as far as you will not try to advertise your new "home" this will be not closed and if in future you will change your idea you will be always welcome here.

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Can you share only the front flash fix please and also the link that you share is not working thanks in advance

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Download link not working enlace de descarga no funciona revisa por favor.

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this fix was not you that did, and you were not allowed to use it. the real developer name is @Bode327
@MikeChannon

gabrielunm said:
Add IT in xlm file of camera.
system/cameradate/camera-feacture-v8.xml
Or use IT magisk module
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YYGa2S2UlcQekO6JZSLq9XScBH4W1KDQ/view?usp=drivesdk
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Man, you did not solve any problem, you are using third party material to gain advantage, In your YouTube video where you explain downgrade from oreo to nougat. the script and the rom that you are using are mine, because the error 11 I left on purpose. Be a man and take or give credit to devs.

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this fix was not you that did, and you were not allowed to use it. the real developer name is @Bode327
@MikeChannon
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It's true who did was Bode327.

First of all, the MAGISK module that you have published as your own was created by me, according to the rules, to be able to promote and use, you should have given credits and thanks to me!

Whois the Developer for Rom Optimized Oreo V6 for J7p?

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NiCaARRecho said:
Whois the Developer for Rom Optimized Oreo V6 for J7p?
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Yes
Sent from my on7xelte using XDA Labs

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Thread closed due to violation of rule 12
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