Hello, i want to share my experience with this phone after 4 years of using daily.
Battery has still endurance about 2 days and more. 7-8 hours SOT.
Only thing, little bit more hot in summer on direct sunlight.
Comparing to other users of devices like apple, samsung, lg etc. is this experience almost impossible.
My questions: What can be real or truth from professional point of view about Li-Ion battery and its very good endurance after 4 years?
Worth for change if its in pretty good condition but 4 years old?
> What can be real or truth from scientific point of view? (if i am still using this phone)
nothing!
Lanchon said:
> What can be real or truth from scientific point of view? (if i am still using this phone)
nothing!
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Because some iPhone 12 mini user replied to my comment in one review video about my phone and replied to me deeply about batteries and my stupidity, they can degrade their capacity. But i know from using this phone and Z1 compact, X compact, XZ1, XZ2, XZ2c and many, many, many other phones, what is true from real experience POV. Yes, some brands havent so good technology or so quality batteries and many users had bad experience from using their phone for 100-300 bucks fully new, or iPhone. I dont care about battery if i have XZ1 compact but if i am talking about my phone, no one believes me.
noone believes you because it is not true.
i am not saying you lie, but you are mistaken.
li-ion batteries loose capacity with cycles and age. at 4 years of use, your battery should be around 50% its original capacity, if looked for well.
there is no manufacturer magic here. its like saying your gas car doesnt need gas refills becasue its a better brand of car. its really that silly.
only way battery would be around 90% health today is if you charged it to 50% and stored it in the fridge the whole time, you didnt.
btw you should do that with battery spares.
Lanchon said:
noone believes you because it is not true.
i am not saying you lie, but you are mistaken.
li-ion batteries loose capacity with cycles and age. at 4 years of use, your battery should be around 50% its original capacity, if looked for well.
there is no manufacturer magic here. its like saying your gas car doesnt need gas refills becasue its a better brand of car. its really that silly.
only way battery would be around 90% health today is if you charged it to 50% and stored it in the fridge the whole time, you didnt.
btw you should do that with battery spares.
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I know this for very long time, li-ion batteries loosing their capacities or degrade voltage after some year usage, but how li-ion battery directly on this phone can stay that long - around 4 years, still with 2-3+ days using daily and 7-8h SOT ? Before it had really similar endurance. Never disassembled.
because it was large to beguin with. now that its smaller it still lasts.
one thing is: if the battery is very large and you charge it every day (which you should) then the cycling is shallow and wont affect life much. couple that with maybe you live in a cold place, and it can last longer that expected.
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because it was large to beguin with. now that its smaller it still lasts.
one thing is: if the battery is very large and you charge it every day (which you should) then the cycling is shallow and wont affect life much. couple that with maybe you live in a cold place, and it can last longer that expected.
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I am charging it sometimes through PC, but most of time I am charging it with wall charger from Xiaomi Redmi Note 9 pro - on second day of usage (mostly after some 50-60 hours on standby) and my living has around 20 degrees. Also, my friend has this phone also 3 years not disassembled and he is also curious about battery endurance.
jurkoman said:
i typed adb shell dumpsys battery and it shows me still 100 percent of capacity.
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Because it just means that your phone is fully charged (in my example above, it says that my phone is charged at 33%), not that the capacity is still as new.
Why in android i cannot know battery capacity directly like on iOS without testing in Accubattery for 8 hours+- and have primary phone in indisposition state? Is year 2022 and phone batteries are getting old, but maybe it is typical argument of "iPhone user".
When my phone ran stock android, I used to check it from time to time through the service menu (*#*#7378423#*#*).
That's a pity it can not be done in a vanilla/custom android.
This is an interesting question. Mine lasts one day, and I'm a heavy user but not a gamer. I charged it only to 80% during lifetime, but lately had to start charging to 100%
I started to dig and found info, that our beloved phone has Qnovo Adaptive Charging - so I guess it worked But this technology was not used in many phones - almost none. So I think this is most obvious answer. Which is funny if you read comments from 2018 stating Qnovo is useless BUT (big but here) I have no idea if this technology was adapted as software and/or hardware solution. From comments I read it can limit charging rate, and this is what I observe from time to time in my Lineage OS.
Other factors could contribute here:
- quality of used materials, including cathodes and anodes
- chosen technology for those as well
- charging controller - quality and logic (Qnovo?)
- how easy battery dissipates heat - heat is the battery killer
- even quality of included charger - my subjective opinion is, that newer, more powerful chargers, while charge faster, make the phone also hotter. So I avoid them
Another thing to consider - if Sony paid Qnovo, it means they cared about batery life. So other tricks could have been involved.
Also I guess such type of phone was not bought by cool kids / gamers (it is small and not cool . So usage pattern will be different (apps, tasks) which may also change battery wear over time.
In the end OS will also affect battery life. Sony was not adding ton of features to their official ROMs, which could increase battery drain. Of course it was never a vanilla, but still not something terrible (3.6
Were things start to get interesting... If you try to find battery replacement. It is very hard to find battery replacement on the market with original capacity of 2700. While many years after premiere technology evolved. So it had to be sth special about them, as they squeezed 2700 inside, but nowadays you cannot find equal replacement, not speaking about increased capacity, which would be much more fun.
I still use this phone everyday and I would like to know the battery manufacturer.
Few weeks ago I did a battery degradation test, and after 5 years the battery is at 80%. I can use the phone up to two days (no gaming).
Samsung galaxy s3 and s5 batteries last max a couple of years (the battery was at 50% aprox).
Were things start to get interesting... If you try to find battery replacement. It is very hard to find battery replacement on the market with original capacity of 2700. While many years after premiere technology evolved. So it had to be sth special about them, as they squeezed 2700 inside, but nowadays you cannot find equal replacement, not speaking about increased capacity, which would be much more fun.
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To my knowledge, the only batteries that have even close to 2700 mAh on the market are from phones that saw little to no usage over the years and the battery has been kept at around 50% charge after all these years. Which it, to say the least, rare.
The reason for this is that Sony wants us to go pay for a new phone, so they sell underperforming batteries as official replacements. Of course, the Chinese don't do much better either and 3rd party battery manufacturers won't bother to make such a battery because there will be very little orders of such part. Here is a conversation between me and a battery manufacturer in China, when I was trying to design a battery:
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(...) the tabs (cathode and anode) are too far away from each other in the image. I specified 10 mm spacing from battery corner to tab, 20 mm spacing between tabs.
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Manufacturer:
I recommend this battery because I want to reduce your cost.
If the nickel sheet needs to be adjusted, redesigned and customized, the customization cost is 3,000 dollars, and the purchase quantity is required to be 10,000 batteries.
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I was requesting this adjustment so that I didn't have to redesign the whole BMS, but just solder this new battery's tabs to the BMS we have now, hence losing 0 functionality.
Of course, the manufacturer's message was a clear step-back at the time, giving me reason to think the situation through. The next step was clear, however. The main chip on the BMS responsible for OCP (overcurrent), OVP, OCP (overcharge), etc. and reporting battery percentage and temperature had to be localized and wired just like in the original BMS. The only thing that required change was the pad positioning on the PCB for the cathode and anode.
The chip is a muRata internal chip, with untraceable codes: 401C02M8 and 2BN0R420
I replied to the manufacturer last week, asking for their help in tracking down this chip and the connector on the BMS that connects the BMS to the phone motherboard. Here's how that conversation went:
Manufacturer:
I need a little time to reply to you, because I don't have Sony battery, so I'm not sure which connectors are. If you need to make sure, I'll send you the quotation tomorrow for confirmation, and we can do it if you are sure it's ok.
In addition, after the development of BMS, will you have a large number of purchases later?
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Me:
More than 10? For now, definitely not. In the future, it depends on how the product will sell.
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It's been 3 days since "tomorrow", but the "quotation" never came. I would assume the situation with the 10,000 batteries is repeated.
So, yeah. If the manufacturers require such high orders, I think everybody could realize why Sony is doing what they are doing and why 3rd parties provide fairly poor replacements, if any.
So, no better battery on the horizon for our beloved, but at least now we know where we need to look.
Plus, on a positive note, the smallest powerhouse alternative to the Xperia XZ1 Compact is, as we all know, the iPhone SE series. Well, they're not much better. Even with PolarCell's (claimed 2300 mAh, but actually only) 2000 mAh battery, which is higher than the original's 1821 (SE 2nd gen.), doesn't hold up any better than the XZ1 Compact. Absolutely huge drain while in standby, up to 10% after 10 hours of standby in airplane mode. Max SOT I've seen is somewhere around 6 hours (hard to measure on iOS, 'cause why would it be easy?). "Investment" not recommended.
Man, congrats for going as far as talking to manufacturer!
antoniu200 said:
To my knowledge, the only batteries that have even close to 2700 mAh on the market are from phones that saw little to no usage over the years and the battery has been kept at around 50% charge after all these years. Which it, to say the least, rare.
The reason for this is that Sony wants us to go pay for a new phone, so they sell underperforming batteries as official replacements. Of course, the Chinese don't do much better either and 3rd party battery manufacturers won't bother to make such a battery because there will be very little orders of such part. Here is a conversation between me and a battery manufacturer in China, when I was trying to design a battery:
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Me:
Manufacturer:
I was requesting this adjustment so that I didn't have to redesign the whole BMS, but just solder this new battery's tabs to the BMS we have now, hence losing 0 functionality.
Of course, the manufacturer's message was a clear step-back at the time, giving me reason to think the situation through. The next step was clear, however. The main chip on the BMS responsible for OCP (overcurrent), OVP, OCP (overcharge), etc. and reporting battery percentage and temperature had to be localized and wired just like in the original BMS. The only thing that required change was the pad positioning on the PCB for the cathode and anode.
The chip is a muRata internal chip, with untraceable codes: 401C02M8 and 2BN0R420
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I replied to the manufacturer last week, asking for their help in tracking down this chip and the connector on the BMS that connects the BMS to the phone motherboard. Here's how that conversation went:
Manufacturer:
Me:
It's been 3 days since "tomorrow", but the "quotation" never came. I would assume the situation with the 10,000 batteries is repeated.
So, yeah. If the manufacturers require such high orders, I think everybody could realize why Sony is doing what they are doing and why 3rd parties provide fairly poor replacements, if any.
So, no better battery on the horizon for our beloved, but at least now we know where we need to look.
Plus, on a positive note, the smallest powerhouse alternative to the Xperia XZ1 Compact is, as we all know, the iPhone SE series. Well, they're not much better. Even with PolarCell's (claimed 2300 mAh, but actually only) 2000 mAh battery, which is higher than the original's 1821 (SE 2nd gen.), doesn't hold up any better than the XZ1 Compact. Absolutely huge drain while in standby, up to 10% after 10 hours of standby in airplane mode. Max SOT I've seen is somewhere around 6 hours (hard to measure on iOS, 'cause why would it be easy?). "Investment" not recommended.
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I would've lied to him about the purchases.
Arcline said:
I would've lied to him about the purchases.
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And then what? End up buying 10 000? I am talking for real with the guy, not just speculations.
On another train of thoughts, the guy came back with a reply. after a week. He ordered the original battery to analyse its BMS for me and it should arrive Monday.
Related
I know I wasn't the only person waiting on these:
http://cgi.ebay.com/2000mah-Spare-Battery-for-HTC-Touch-Pro-2-T7373-Sprint_W0QQitemZ230441767652
And yes, for you who click on this thread without knowing what they are, Touch Pro 2 batteries are the same size/shape as hero batteries and work just fine in heroes.
Thank You!! Finally, I just bought the battery -- will wait patiently. I have the Mugen 1800 and I haven't been very impressed, hopefully this one doesn't disappoint. Though, for $10, it's a steal.
EDIT:: Just bought 2 actually!
After I purchased I recieved an email with a link to Delivery ETA stats. These are coming from China:
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After I purchased I recieved an email with a link to Delivery ETA stats. These are coming from China:
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I received the Email as well -- basically about 2 weeks is the ETA, not too bad. That was the same for my Mugen battery as well.
In for one.
i just got one also
thanks akijikan for posting the link
thanks for link, just grabbed one myself. For $10, why not?
thanks
Thanks for the link. Just ordered 2. I will compare to the Mugen. So far I am unimpressed with Mugen 1800.
ordered 1.
Im in myself.
Alot of our products , especially electronics come from that region. they are massed produced for under 1.00. One reason they are offered so cheap,but Quality is where we lose at times. Please keep us updated as far as usage. For the price it def makes a great spare
athlet1c said:
Alot of our products , especially electronics come from that region. they are massed produced for under 1.00. One reason they are offered so cheap,but Quality is where we lose at times. Please keep us updated as far as usage. For the price it def makes a great spare
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I don't know... I bought a Mugen 1800 battery, conditioned as the directions stated and yet my results aren't very good. I'm not the only person having this problem. And, I keep hearing from the other thread (Mugen 1800) that these $10 batteries are lastly far far longer than what I have.
I paid $32 for the Mugen, I'm willing to give this a try. You could say that because the batteries are made so cheaply that they might be of lesser quality, but whose to say that the Mugen isn't mass produced at the same $1.00, the only difference here, to me at least is that the Mugen is being sold at a much higher price point when it comes to retail sales.
But I will report my finds upon getting the battery.
I'm not a major battery wiz, but milliampere-hour (mAh) is a rating of hours per the draw of device... not an exact measurement of capacity of power
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ampere-hour
so you change the hardware, the mAh is GOING to change. the voltage draw may be the same, but the amp draw might be different depending on the requirements.
Just keep this in mind when you're thinking that just because it says 2000mah for and hd2 that it's any better than the 1700 and 1800mah for the hero, or even the stock battery. Remember it's a RATING per load per device, the mah standard was created as an easy way of telling estimated time because putting the actual capacity of a battery would just confuse and would be easily manipulated. Depending on the point in which you can drain a li-po li-ion battery to where it becomes phyically damaged and will not charge anymore below 2.8v. most batteries report "dead" when they drop to 3v so that you don't over discharge it. Allowing your battery to drain from 3v to 2.8v could allow for a longer "rated time" but would be by no means healthy for your device. this .2v is your grace period to allow for natual envroinmental discharge in between times away from the charger.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rechargeable_battery#Active_components
With the added dollar amount of $10 I'd be VERY warry if it is as good, or even safe for that matter. Just be warned... and don't be surprised if it does damage your phone that sprint doesn't honor the warranty you just voided by putting an un-reccomended power supply into your device.
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I'm not a battery wiz, but milliampere-hour (mAh) is a rating of hours per the draw of device... not an exact capacity of power
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ampere-hour
so you change the hardware, the mAh is GOING to change. the voltage draw may be the same, but the amp draw might be different depending on the requirements.
Just keep this in mind when you're thinking that just because it says 2000 that it's any better than the 1700 and 1800 that was designed for the same device, or even the stock.
With the added dollar amount of $10 I'd be VERY warry if it is as good, or even safe for that matter. Just be warned... and don't be surprised if it does damage your phone that sprint doesn't honor the warranty you just voided by putting an un-reccomended power supply into your device.
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Duly note. Now... Cant wait for my new battery!!
If you guys are wondering how they perform, the short answer is great, and a lot better than stock. The long answer is, go check the mugen 1800 thread. A couple of us who have been testing the battery have posted some reviews there.
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I bought a couple batteries like this for my Apache back in the day. They did work about the same as the OEM although the MaH rating was higher. I would think that the quality control of the more expensive batteries would be better and likely the characteristics are closer to as promised. Additionally, what I remember was that the durability of the battery was shorter but given the price it was still a worthwhile purchase.
It would seem that the quality of the HTC branded batteries and the Mugen are better than these.
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I bought a couple batteries like this for my Apache back in the day. They did work about the same as the OEM although the MaH rating was higher. I would think that the quality control of the more expensive batteries would be better and likely the characteristics are closer to as promised. Additionally, what I remember was that the durability of the battery was shorter but given the price it was still a worthwhile purchase.
It would seem that the quality of the HTC branded batteries and the Mugen are better than these.
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I understand that products can sometime vary from electronic to electronic. Its just how it goes. I guess I am just one of those consumers that is willing to try something with such a fantastic price that I am willing to throw it away if it isnt what I expected. So far the folks that are using this battery are showing no signs that it is physically hurting their Hero so why not? If it doesnt give extended battery life then oh well, no harm no foul on 10 bucks.
kbizzle said:
I understand that products can sometime vary from electronic to electronic. Its just how it goes. I guess I am just one of those consumers that is willing to try something with such a fantastic price that I am willing to throw it away if it isnt what I expected. So far the folks that are using this battery are showing no signs that it is physically hurting their Hero so why not? If it doesnt give extended battery life then oh well, no harm no foul on 10 bucks.
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untill it explodes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_explosion#Explosion
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Lithium ion
+Very expensive.
+Very high energy density.
+Not usually available in "common" battery sizes (but see RCR-V3 for a counter-example).
+Very common in laptop computers, moderate to high-end digital cameras and camcorders, and cellphones.
+Very low rate of self discharge.
[B]+Volatile: Chance of explosion if short circuited, allowed to overheat, or not manufactured with rigorous quality standards.[/B]
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untill it explodes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_explosion#Explosion
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Lithium ion
+Very expensive.
+Very high energy density.
+Not usually available in "common" battery sizes (but see RCR-V3 for a counter-example).
+Very common in laptop computers, moderate to high-end digital cameras and camcorders, and cellphones.
+Very low rate of self discharge.
[B]+Volatile: Chance of explosion if short circuited, allowed to overheat, or not manufactured with rigorous quality standards.[/B]
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Ok, seeing it that the stock battery is Lithium Ion, this also applies to it as well. Just because it has HTC written on it doesnt mean it is anymore sturdy than any other company. I have seen images of laptops with stock batteries that have burnt holes through the PC from overheating. The chance is always there no matter what route you take.
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Ok, seeing it that the stock battery is Lithium Ion, this also applies to it as well. Just because it has HTC written on it doesnt mean it is anymore sturdy than any other company. I have seen images of laptops with stock batteries that have burnt holes through the PC from overheating. The chance is always there no matter what route you take.
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Agreed! Toshiba, Sony, Mac? Almost all laptop batteries are prone to overheating or exploding... mainly because people leave the power cord plugged INTO there laptop, when the battery itself is fully charged, lolol. I just have to do a *faceplam* every time I see that here at school.
I just thought I would share this just in case if anyone was interested. I bought this battery for my Samsung Captivate and it works well. So I decided to out try it in my Focus to see if it would fit..it fit perfectly!! I have had the battery for only 2 weeks now but it does work better and it looks to be Samsung OEM.
So just to recap this fits with the stock back. It is but you will never notice once it closes
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1303883
http://www.mobilecityonline.com/wireless/store/productdetail.asp?productid=28506
Just to clarify...this 1800mah battery fits under the OEM samsung focus cover?? Can you update this thread with usage times?
I would also like to know if this battery is available in EU?
Sierra76 said:
I would also like to know if this battery is available in EU?
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There is an ebay seller shipping to EU.
I've opted for the Chinese 1800 mAh copies as they're cheap, will update with details when they arrive.
siralex241 said:
Just to clarify...this 1800mah battery fits under the OEM samsung focus cover?? Can you update this thread with usage times?
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Correct this battery fits under the stock cover. This phone isn't my daily phone so I can't tell you how much longer it lasts. What I can tell you though is that in my Captivate (daily phone) it lasts longer for sure, probably about 20 to 30% more. I literally used it in the Focus for like half a day and it had no issues.
Okay I am using the battery in the focus today. It does snap. Lose but it is a tight fight. If you have a case it won't be a problem at all. One corner from my phone unsnaps randomly but one of my clips is broken so that could be the case also.
I received today the Chinese batteries.
They fit perfectly in the Focus and looks like they're exactly the same size. I've started the phone with one and it works fine.
Battery cover is absolutely the same with this one as with the original. I didn't notice any difference in weight either.
See for yourselves:
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I will charge one fully and test it asap and will post back the results.
Could you PM me where did you buy that chinesse battery?
I tested the Chinese batteries and they're weak, as I expected.
They held 3h 05m on WP Bench where as my 1 year old original Focus battery held 3h 50 min in the same battery test, that's 80% of the battery I have now and I remember in NoDo, on WP Bench battery was holding about 6h.
So, they're good as backups, but in no way better than the originals.
The originals should be better, in theory.
I bought the Anker battery from amazon which was around 10 bucks. Its also 1800 mah, but is the same size as the Samsung OEM stock batter that comes with the focus. Seemed to last about 36 hours with light use on my Focus. One thing I noticed - the charging indicator never stops blinking to say that is finished charging. IMHO doesn't seem to give much more than a fresh new stock OEM battery - although for 10 bucks I agree would make a good back up, thats about it.
Here's the link to the battery I purchased:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004KVTNYE/ref=oh_o00_s00_i00_details
EnderPsp said:
I tested the Chinese batteries and they're weak, as I expected.
They held 3h 05m on WP Bench where as my 1 year old original Focus battery held 3h 50 min in the same battery test, that's 80% of the battery I have now and I remember in NoDo, on WP Bench battery was holding about 6h.
So, they're good as backups, but in no way better than the originals.
The originals should be better, in theory.
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I never knew about WP Bench. Wish I had. My Focus had 420 or so cycles on it's battery and had a rapid performance decline in charge holding. It also blew up (physically) a bit. I replaced it with a replacement OEM from Batteries +.
The replacement doesn't seem to be the equivalent of Day 1 on the Original battery but maybe Mango and my usage is far more than before.
The knock off batteries, the misrepresented mah ratings, and even the out-right faking of batteries has my jaw dropped. Buyer beware.
I contend that the battery issue, battery fakes, and cheap replacements is 100% the reason Apple doesn't make their battery accessible. They want a tight control over those batteries to guarantee performance.
I just ordered the OEM from first post. When it arrives, I will attempt to do scientific tests and post results. I'll use WP Bench as mentioned before since that is likely the most accurate way to test.
Stock Battery
4:11:57
Airplane mode and NOTHING running…
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Ok, Here is a Preliminary set of numbers with 1800 battery...
4:43:19
Same settings and still NOTHING running:
Reason I say preliminary is because this was after the FIRST charge. When the phone finished charging again, I needed to use the phone, so was unable to set it for a test run again. I'll attempt that again tonight. BUT, for the record, I took the phone with me to Reno, NV and used it for over 1 1/2 days without charging. Used the Internet, Maps, and Showing it off to family, taking 15 mins of video during the fireworks, and still had 10% battery left over... I'm really anxious to see what my test results will be this next time...
FYI, it is a fairly tight fit within the cover, but it DOES fit. Once I got all the snaps snapped, it feels very secure.
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Correct this battery fits under the stock cover. This phone isn't my daily phone so I can't tell you how much longer it lasts. What I can tell you though is that in my Captivate (daily phone) it lasts longer for sure, probably about 20 to 30% more. I literally used it in the Focus for like half a day and it had no issues.
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Could you send us the link for purchase, please?
Yeah, that's strange, the link died on the first post. Here's a link to eBay with a bunch available... Look for part # EB625152VA If you Bing/Google this number, you will find other resellers too.
If you like paying full price, buy direct from Samsung: http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones-accessories/EB625152VABSTD
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Ok, final numbers, photos, and thoughts. The battery is snug, (if you look carefully, you can see a slight deformation on the battery cover where it is forming over the oversized Galaxy battery) but after it is snapped closed, you won't notice as jev3gs has already mentioned. Images attached.
I've made a correction for the time posted in above post (Copied it wrong), and have performed two tests with each battery, so I'm confident that the numbers here are correct. The tests were within about 30 seconds of each other on each battery.
Stock Focus Battery 5.55Wh 1500 mAh
PN# EB575152VA
4hrs 11mins 57sec
= 251.95 Minutes
Galaxy S™ II Battery 6.66Wh 1800 mAh
PN# EB625152VA
4hrs 43mins 40sec
= 283.67 Minutes
This is an improvement of 31.72mins, or 11%! That's using WP Bench which kills the battery very quickly compared to real usage.
That may not seem like much, but for me in my usage, that will likely equate to an extra 1.5 hours per day. 12 hours + 11% = 13.32 hours.
(According to the printed battery specs, you should actually receive about 16% extra, my tests showed a little lower. Maybe will get better with more usage.)
I have not done charging tests yet, but it also seems like it is charging faster. That may be in my head, but it seems like about an hour faster... I MIGHT test that later.
PS: Thank you jev3gs for the heads up on this tip. I was about to buy another battery anyways, so this is icing on the cake!
Thanks for taking the time and doing the review! Let us know about charging times too!
Thanks for the detailed posts SuperSport. I wish the OP had put this before I bought the Momax battery which takes forever to charge compared to the stock one.
Unfortunately, I still have not run verifiable tests to prove the charge times. It does seem faster, but normally, I charge it at night and don't pay attention to when it completes. I've been a bit to busy to run the tests during the day, so it will need to wait for now.
I've bought many OEM and Generic batteries over the years for both phones and Radio Control, and it's really hit and miss. Sometimes, the Generic blow the OEM out of the water, but usually, the OEM batteries outperform.
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What do u mean by light use? My stock one, I use the phone for reading news from weave and wp7 news with WiFi enabled, and I got about 5h. I also play games for a little bit. That is my typical day usage.
I wish to use the phone for around half of the day or so, if this 1800 MAh could give me that much of power, then it is awesome
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What do u mean by light use? My stock one, I use the phone for reading news from weave and wp7 news with WiFi enabled, and I got about 5h. I also play games for a little bit. That is my typical day usage.
I wish to use the phone for around half of the day or so, if this 1800 MAh could give me that much of power, then it is awesome
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Using my 11% gain as a reference, you could expect 5.55 hours, up from 5 hours. If Samsung is correct, and it's 16% gain, then it would be 5.8 hours. Still not quite 1/2 day...
Who has one
Dont really need one imo but ill be checking out the zero lemon 9300 mah battery once its available sometime in april for $40.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2175695
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I picked up a 7960mah battery today it was only 50 % so I won't know how long it lasts until tomorrow will give it a full charge overnight it is big but the back case is better looking then the one I had on the original note, I actually did pretty good today for $60 I got this extended battery an otter box commuter case a samsung flip case and a samsung desktop dock not bad
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I picked up a 7960mah battery today it was only 50 % so I won't know how long it lasts until tomorrow will give it a full charge overnight it is big but the back case is better looking then the one I had on the original note, I actually did pretty good today for $60 I got this extended battery an otter box commuter case a samsung flip case and a samsung desktop dock not bad
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What?!? Links, please!!!
These were all off kijiji there are no links tomorrow I am getting a back case modified for wireless charging and the charging dock so enough accessories for this weekend
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These were all off kijiji there are no links tomorrow I am getting a back case modified for wireless charging and the charging dock so enough accessories for this weekend
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what's is kijiji? sorry, if its something you don't want to mention in the forum, you can PM me. I'm curious about that 8000 mAh battery. What size, double in height of original one? What brand? Can you confirm it's true capacity by peeling the label off? Pictures? Physically it can't be more than 6400 mAh if its double of OEM height, or more than 3200 mAh if its original OEM size. Really curious about the battery.
it is probably just a chinese copy - just google it - i did a quick search and found someone who got 11 hours screen on time with one of the same size so i thought i would give it a shot, paid $20 for it - might not even be worth that but who knows always can use it as an emergency back up battery - but i will do a test tomorrow from 100% and report back the screen on time
There seem to be a dozen or so out there. I would love to see reviews of any of the batteries listed below. I know from the work I did in this thread....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1753726
...that Chinese batteries are very hit or miss, and there is often absolutely no correlation between the claimed capacity, and the true capacity.
The blunt reality, is that an extended capacity battery could have less capacity than the OEM cell. There were lots of cells tested in the thread above, that had under half the capacity of an OEM. It would be a shame to bulk up our phones with a double-thick battery, only to have less capacity than the OEM cell. So, any reviews out there?
(I'm not against doing another true-capacity battery shootout, this time for extended capacity Note II packs)
http://www.amazon.com/Anker-Extende...86811&sr=1-6&keywords=note+2+extended+battery
http://www.amazon.com/warranty-Exte...86811&sr=1-2&keywords=note+2+extended+battery
http://www.amazon.com/Hyperion-Exte...86811&sr=1-1&keywords=note+2+extended+battery
http://www.ebay.com/itm/EZOPower-Ex...166595?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item416ec34a83
http://www.ebay.com/itm/7500mAh-Ext...352576?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item43b6c7be80
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-6500mAh...540684?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item4abe8dc00c
http://www.ebay.com/itm/7600mAh-Ext...016840?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item51a4f73ac8
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-6500mah...541010?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item27d0b97a92
you are right it might be even less the the oem battery, i will run it from 100% tomorrow and post my results and some pics of the battery if anyone is interested, btw i am currently running the latest liquid smooth rom and soapkernel with pegasusq governor up to 1.92 ghz, i normally get around 5 to 6 hours screen on time under normal use, sleep is set to 1 minute, nfc is off, location services is on even though i dont really use it, brightness is on auto to the lowest setting - which is fine for me most of the time, i would say if it doesnt get 9 hours screen on time then it is not really worth it other then a spare back up battery for emergencys as it is quite bulky
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There seem to be a dozen or so out there. I would love to see reviews of any of the batteries listed below. I know from the work I did in this thread....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1753726
...that Chinese batteries are very hit or miss, and there is often absolutely no correlation between the claimed capacity, and the true capacity.
The blunt reality, is that an extended capacity battery could have less capacity than the OEM cell. There were lots of cells tested in the thread above, that had under half the capacity of an OEM. It would be a shame to bulk up our phones with a double-thick battery, only to have less capacity than the OEM cell. So, any reviews out there?
(I'm not against doing another true-capacity battery shootout, this time for extended capacity Note II packs)
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My hat goes off to you!!!! Being a technical/detailed person myself, I absolutely enjoyed that write-up you have done for HTC Sensation. If you can do something like this for Note 2, that would be AWESOME!!!! As a matter of fact, I will let you borrow my Innocell (Seidio) 4500 mAh battery and another 4200 mAh "Gold" which I supposed to get in a few weeks. I don't have any hardware setup to make exact measurements, was just doing relative comparison when I was testing Innocell (check out link in my signature to all my accessory reviews).
Btw, do you mind posting a short write up with a few pictures of your setup to measure batteries? Maybe link to where I can get the equipment as well? I would really appreciate that!
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My hat goes off to you!!!! Being a technical/detailed person myself, I absolutely enjoyed that write-up you have done for HTC Sensation. If you can do something like this for Note 2, that would be AWESOME!!!! As a matter of fact, I will let you borrow my Innocell (Seidio) 4500 mAh battery and another 4200 mAh "Gold" which I supposed to get in a few weeks. I don't have any hardware setup to make exact measurements, was just doing relative comparison when I was testing Innocell (check out link in my signature to all my accessory reviews).
Btw, do you mind posting a short write up with a few pictures of your setup to measure batteries? Maybe link to where I can get the equipment as well? I would really appreciate that!
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That's a very kind offer!
I'm in Canada though, and one of the realities is that shipping to and from (mostly from) Canada, gets pretty pricey. I thought about doing this with batteries before (so that people could send me their cells for testing), but when I did the math, I realized that for less than the price of two-way shipping, I could just buy a new cell. It's unbelievable, but I can buy a cell from China, shipped to Canada, for a total price (including shipping) that is less than just the postage would cost me to re-mail the same cell to my next-door neighbor.
Maybe for the time being, we could at least collect a few recommendations. I've got a couple cells en-route already. I don't have a ton of cash to outlay on cells for a massive battery shoot-out, but I could certainly buy a couple. Any recommendations?
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I use a VA Meter that came from a Chinese gadget site. Out of the box, it is wired to pull its own power from the battery you're testing. The unit can be modified (and I have done so) to take an external 5V supply instead, the benefit being that once the cell dies, the measurement unit itself doesn't loose power. I've run discharges of several cells through this meter, and into a proper hobby charger (set to discharge) in order to verify that the inexpensive VA Meter (it was under $15) is actually accurate. It is. The measurements were within 1% of the proper hobby charger. The reason I don't use the proper hobby charger for measuring smartphone batteries, is that smartphone batteries discharge down to 2.5V before their protection kicks in. Hobby chargers (or at least mine) dislike that practice, and end the discharge cycle at 3V. The setup above, allows me to test all the way down to 2.5V before the battery's protection kicks in.
The funky looking thing with a fan is the test load. It's very much "overkill" for this type of testing, but I use the same setup to test up to 16V @ 2A packs, and that creates heat that needs to be dissipated actively. The circuit you see on the test load is a boost/buck circuit that does nothing other than supply the constant 12V to the fan, regardless of what voltage input it receives. Inside the test load, there are two 50W axial mount resistors, of different resistances, that I can selectively choose to discharge into, depending on what I'm testing.
Finally, those little clip leads are essential for connecting to the actual cells. For the Sensation testing, I actually made a little proprietary clip from a piece of PCB and solder blobs, that I would rubber-band onto the cells. These clips work much much better.
so i have tested the 7960mah battery that i picked up yesterday - i would say it is at least double of the oem battery, i have been using the phone alot today - downloading roms and torrents, xda, etc. so the screen has been on most of the day - you could run the whole day with the screen on the entire time if you really wanted to do and still make it through the day without having to charge it, i am just about to plug the phone into my computer as i need to get some files of it and also want to test out the wireless charging unit that i picked up today and flash a new rom - but here are the stats from today
the phone has been running on battery for 10 hours
screen on time 8 hours
battery remaining is 41%
i would not use this on a regular basis as it is a lot bigger but if you really needed the extra time then it will certainly deliver - the only time i would ever need this much battery is on the weekends when i am downloading alot, etc, so the screen is on almost the entire time
hope this helps anyone that is thinking of getting one decide
Since I'm waiting for 4200 mAh battery, presumably advertised as "oem replacement", I searched a couple more on-line places that sell the same "Gold" battery. Actually found 2 other on-line HK retailers that sell it with an actual disclaimer that its "4200 mAh battery, but you will not get more than 3100 mAh out of it" lol!!! What is funny, even with that disclaimer, they sell 3100 mAh replacement for about $4 while 4200 mAh replacement is $8 and a disclaimer of the same performance as 3100....
@golfinggino: is there a way to peel the label off your 7960 mAh battery? I have a feeling its probably a double capacity "stacked" 6200 mAh battery. Still great to have extra capacity when you need it, although with these double capacity batteries you don't get a good case. Per my review of Seidio's Innocell (link in the signature), they actually came up with a special version of ACTIVE case for their battery, but it's only 4500 mAh rated (although I found it to be of a higher capacity) and I don't understand why wouldn't they make it as a true double capacity.
Also, a general question to everybody, why wouldn't anybody talk about external battery banks?!? Wouldn't that be so much more easier to have a small charged up pack to hook up your phone too for a quick recharge? There are some that deliver true 2A output with capacities of 6 Ah up to 13 Ah and more. Anker, Exogear, and Yoobao make some quality slim external battery banks.
i am pretty sure it is probably just a double stacked batttery as i had one on my original note and that is what it had - i will see if i can peel off the label and check without ruining it - problem is i sell most of the android devices i have within a week or 2 and buy something new so i dont want to rip it all up ! this extended battery lasts alot longer then the extended battery i had in the original note that is for sure
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...I'm in Canada though, and one of the realities is that shipping to and from (mostly from) Canada
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Understood, makes no sense to ship back'n'forth.
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I use a VA Meter that came from a Chinese gadget site.
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I'm not too familiar with battery operation, but can find my way around electronics
So in theory you have a close loop (without taking into account ext power of VA meter and heatsink fan), with Battery, VA meter, and Rload in series? What is a value of Rload required for this measurement?
And then, you watch VA meter and time it until the voltage reading drops to 2.5V? What is the actual formula to calculate A/h? Do you need to monitor both Voltage and Current through VA meter? I have a regular multi-meter, but obviously can't monitor both at the same time without turning knob dial, and its battery operated so it will time out after awhile. Can a use multi-meter which plugs into a power outlet or do I need the actual dual display VA meter? I guess if you can show me the formula used to calculate mAh rate, I can figure out what I need for this setup.
I have one on my samsung galaxy s2 (t989)
Qcell 3650.
I couldn't live without it. Lasts a full day with heacy use + 4g + auto/low brightness. The stock battery barely made it to noon. I don't know how others can stand it.
I bought two Qcells, one for me and one for the gf. Both have performed well and can be found on amazon for $20 or so with a free cover.
Boy that sounds like a plug, but its not. I at one point was hunting for a good extended battery and found reviews online, so hopefully I am returning the favor for someone else down the road.
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Understood, makes no sense to ship back'n'forth.
So in theory you have a close loop (without taking into account ext power of VA meter and heatsink fan), with Battery, VA meter, and Rload in series? What is a value of Rload required for this measurement?
And then, you watch VA meter and time it until the voltage reading drops to 2.5V? What is the actual formula to calculate A/h? Do you need to monitor both Voltage and Current through VA meter? I have a regular multi-meter, but obviously can't monitor both at the same time without turning knob dial, and its battery operated so it will time out after awhile. Can a use multi-meter which plugs into a power outlet or do I need the actual dual display VA meter? I guess if you can show me the formula used to calculate mAh rate, I can figure out what I need for this setup.
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Luckily, it's a lot easier than that!
The VA meter, is actually a "VAmAH" meter I don't know why they just call it a VA meter, because it has an actual function built right in for tracking mAH, no math required. The meter knows the voltage that is being dropped across its output, and the current that is flowing through it so it just tracks the mAH as that all happens.
The fan gets it's power from the circuit's output, just like the resistor does. So it doesn't really matter if the fans running or not. If it is, then the load draws an extra 10mA or so of current, which gets tracked just like all the other current going through the resistor. In practice though, I generally don't bother connecting the fact for small cells like these. The resistor is only burning 3 or 4 watts, and that's fine for air to dissipate.
Someone earlier had a question about battery banks / external packs, and why people don't use them. I do, I have a whole bunch. But they're awkward in that you have to carry cables, and connect cables to your phone. I would echo an earlier poster who commented on the shame of connecting a mobile device to wires. The only time I ever connect my smartphone to cable is (generally) on it's first day in my possession, when I have to get it working with custom ROMs. After that, I generally never hook my phone to a cable again - can't stand the awkwardness of wires.
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Luckily, it's a lot easier than that!
The VA meter, is actually a "VAmAH" meter I don't know why they just call it a VA meter, because it has an actual function built right in for tracking mAH, no math required. The meter knows the voltage that is being dropped across its output, and the current that is flowing through it so it just tracks the mAH as that all happens.
The fan gets it's power from the circuit's output, just like the resistor does. So it doesn't really matter if the fans running or not. If it is, then the load draws an extra 10mA or so of current, which gets tracked just like all the other current going through the resistor. In practice though, I generally don't bother connecting the fact for small cells like these. The resistor is only burning 3 or 4 watts, and that's fine for air to dissipate.
Someone earlier had a question about battery banks / external packs, and why people don't use them. I do, I have a whole bunch. But they're awkward in that you have to carry cables, and connect cables to your phone. I would echo an earlier poster who commented on the shame of connecting a mobile device to wires. The only time I ever connect my smartphone to cable is (generally) on it's first day in my possession, when I have to get it working with custom ROMs. After that, I generally never hook my phone to a cable again - can't stand the awkwardness of wires.
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I see. So what is a value of the load resistor, a few ohms probably? Do you by any chance still have a link to that VA meter you got?
With external batteries, I think either Anker Astro 2 (1A/2A, 8400 mAh) or Exogear ExoVolt (2A, 5200 mAh, stackable!!!!!! or Yoobao (1A/1.5A, 13000 mAh) would be my top choices. I would probably think that Anker Astro 2 for $38 is the best solution in this case of price/capacity.
Oh, and I guess you a wireless charging setup then? If so, wouldn't that be only in one place, like home? While you are on a road, at work, in a car - don't you need to use micro-usb cable?
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I see. So what is a value of the load resistor, a few ohms probably? Do you by any chance still have a link to that VA meter you got?
With external batteries, I think either Anker Astro 2 (1A/2A, 8400 mAh) or Exogear ExoVolt (2A, 5200 mAh, stackable!!!!!! or Yoobao (1A/1.5A, 13000 mAh) would be my top choices. I would probably think that Anker Astro 2 for $38 is the best solution in this case of price/capacity.
Oh, and I guess you a wireless charging setup then? If so, wouldn't that be only in one place, like home? While you are on a road, at work, in a car - don't you need to use micro-usb cable?
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I think I have a 10 ohm and a 5 ohm in there, that I can select between, or parallel or series. In practice I try to deplete smartphone cells at as close to 1A as possible when at full voltage (obviously because of ohms law, the rate drops a bit as the voltage falls).
I got 3 batteries 2 extended and one fake double cell from chinaI got off ebay.
One 7600mAh and anker extended 6200mAh.both from amazon
I ran nova battery tester in short for battery quick test.for the last 3 test.
the first test are uirrelevant due to the fact that that I had no bios for my phone model in nova at the time. That fourth one upis right when I got the anker and found the bios for my phone.then I ran the short test on the
Anker, 76, china at the end. Also I aged my extended 76 and it puts out 10hours continous on screen time.
My 76 I charge in the low run 350 +/-50mA china solo battery charger. 18 hours out put and at lleast about a days use or more . I charge one extended while im using the other but still I want more power I was wonder if any has made their own extended battery mod. Im thinking about adding the two extended battery on the back and putting them in series the make a suposive brickscreen device. With power for a week. Im looking fir easy make series some how .. but I digest.
Heres nova.
Hello everyone (if there is someone else in this Nokia 8 forum). I have a Nokia 8 / TA-1052 bought in 2018 and that suddenly, this summer, started to restart when they were used according to what applications (Camera, Google photos, and progressively with others, etc.) and when the battery charge it was below about 50%. I deduced that, with almost 3 years of use, the end of the battery's life has come and I started looking for another one starting in September and until today I have not been able to find one that has or is close to to have the same capacity or close to that of the original 3030 or 3090mAh battery. I have bought about 10 batteries, being in Palma de Mallorca some have never reached me but the money has been refunded, some have arrived badly (the mobile does not recognize them directly, the money has also been refunded) and about 3 I have been able to assemble and test the 3030 or 2500 mAh ones (the latter from the Cameron Sino brand), hopefully, they did not have real 1500mAh, in other words if the mobile with the original battery between charges lasted up to 2 days or 48 hours with these did not reach a sad 20 hours. Now, if there is someone else around here, the question is the following: has someone managed to change the battery on this mobile and find one that is close to the original in duration? The original battery (disassembled from my mobile) is the HE328 model (the same as the TA-1004 and TA-1012 models) and has it labeled 3030mAh (not 3090 as it says in the characteristics of the same mobile)? Thanks!
Hello, I continue with the matter, despite the fact that so far there is no response from the members of this forum, I see that the topic has a lot of visits. Yesterday morning I bought a battery from a UK seller-Fonejoy on eBay and it just arrived today in Palma de Mallorca by DHL (it arrived in just over 24 hours, the expected date delivery was between 12 / 13-12 / 17) and that is the first of all those that have reached me identical to the original, same-same labeling and even the same weight (very important element, apart from the size, in the case of lithium batteries, the original disassembled from my phone weighs about 42 grams, all the ones that have come down to me weighed about 30 grams). I start to see the "light at the end of the tunnel" and for the first time it looks good, tomorrow I will mount it on my mobile and I will tell you more things.
The battery is already mounted on the mobile, it came with 3.75 VDC (measured with a multimeter before mounting it) and with a 37% charge. After carrying out the first full charge, the phone started up without problems, it remains to be seen now the total capacity and the duration between charges, when I am sure that everything is fine I will glue the screen (at the moment it is held with transparent adhesive tape).
And to finish, the battery works and is equal in duration to the original so last Sunday 12/12 I glued the screen and closed this matter (I have also left a positive feedback on the battery page of the seller Fonejoy from ebay.uk). If the new battery lasts the same as the original, about 3 years, I will have gotten the most out of this mobile, the next step will be to release the bootloader and put a custom ROM with Android 11, at least. Greetings to all!
@bunzo Thanks for your feedback!
It's hard to believe that might have a chance to finally buy an original HE328 battery.
I was just planning to buy batteries from this user.
On the internet can find many defective non-original batteries.
I tested a lot of them.
The only sense brand of replacement batteries is wonkegonke from aliexpress.
usually in wonkegonke battery you will find a reasonable capacity, which will not die after 3 months. Looks my old thread about Wonkegonke.
Replacement battery for Nokia 8
Hello, I'd like to show you my private comments and tests on the battery for this great phone. I tested many replacement battery for Nokia 8. A lot of people have trouble buying a new battery with sufficient capacity. I checked some batteries...
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Cheers.
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@bunzo Thanks for your feedback!
It's hard to believe that might have a chance to finally buy an original HE328 battery.
I was just planning to buy batteries from this user.
On the internet can find many defective non-original batteries.
I tested a lot of them.
The only sense brand of replacement batteries is wonkegonke from aliexpress.
usually in wonkegonke battery you will find a reasonable capacity, which will not die after 3 months. Looks my old thread about Wonkegonke.
Replacement battery for Nokia 8
Hello, I'd like to show you my private comments and tests on the battery for this great phone. I tested many replacement battery for Nokia 8. A lot of people have trouble buying a new battery with sufficient capacity. I checked some batteries...
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Cheers.
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@mati5000: Hello, sorry for my late reply. During my search of almost 2 and a half months I had seen your thread about the batteries for Nokia 8 and about the Wonkegonke battery and at the time I had considered buying it if it hadn't been a problem to send it from Aliexpress to the Balearic Islands-Spain because it didn't arrive by AirMail of Correos Company except if the shipment is made with a courier company such as DHL, MRW, etc. When I found this last one that I commented on in my post, I had already lost hope of finding an original battery for this mobile and my surprise was really great when I saw that it is 100% identical to the original (comment that even the date of manufacture marked on the new battery is 2 months after the one I removed from my mobile, a fact that I do not consider it a problem as long as the charge cycles are at zero). Right now I have had a month and a half with the new battery mounted on the mobile and I already glued the screen, comment that with the original Android 9 the battery lasted about 48 hours with 2.5-3 hours of screen use (the truth is that I am not abusing the use of the mobile and I use it only for the essential) and about 10 days ago I had released the bootloader, flashed the T-Virus and the latest version of AncientOS 5.7 Society with which the new battery lasts me around 36 hours (somewhat less than with the original, apparently this ROM has a higher battery consumption but it deserves it for everything else). I hope that my experience is useful for those who find themselves in the situation in which I was trapped and that if there is anyone else who is looking for a battery, they know where to find it and do not fall into the trap of the multitude of fake LI-polymer batteries that they are sold online (and even by technical services or stores) and that do not reach even half of the advertised load capacity or die after 1-2 weeks of use. Greetings and thanks for your answer!
@bunzo Big thanks for test this battery. I messaged with this seller few weeks ago. then I found your post.
Original battery is amazing after 4 years of use still have almost 92% of original capacity For comparison, my brother's iPhone 8+ has 78% battery capacity at the same time of use 4 years.
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(very important element, apart from the size, in the case of lithium batteries, the original disassembled from my phone weighs about 42 grams, all the ones that have come down to me weighed about 30 grams). I start to see the "light at the end of the tunnel" and for the first time it looks good,
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This, it seems like a lot, if not the majority of batteries sold as spare, on ebay, etc are cheap less powered knock-offs or old batteries re-branded as new. Especially for phones with replaceable, like old Samsungs, etc. Someone I know wanted a new battery for her Samsung Note 3 I think and bought 1 or 2 new ones from a "web store", when I checked them, they all weighed 10-15% less than the original old battery.
So it's good to know that someone found one that is not a scam or fake. Tanto trabajo, poco dinero (batteria)
@bunzo Thank you for this thread and your work trying to source a genuine Nokia 8 battery. Having read @mati5000 's thread I ordered a Wonkegonke battery and had high hopes. After waiting 3 months for it to arrive and actually getting a refund, I installed the battery only to find the accubattery reported battery reported as 1,658mAh after 7 sessions. That is worse than the original.
So, I have order a battery from Fonejoy and again, have high hopes! I will post my results.
@Birtybasset I am very sad that the battery Wonkegonke is not working properly.
Non-original batteries do not perform quality tests like originals, so you need to keep this in mind before buy.
Guaranteeing performance close to the factory battery will significantly increase the price which nobody usually wants pay, where most users usually replace the whole phone instead of the battery anyway.
Still testing that wonkegonke battery on my second Phone:
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For testing, intentionally I'm using a charger with fast charging functionality. This steps helps to evaluate the quality of the cells in battery.
After 96 charge sessions Wonkegonke lost almost 5% of the 90% capacity that was available after installation.
Perhaps if I had used a slower charger earlier the situation would have been much better.
Birtybasset said:
@bunzo Thank you for this thread and your work trying to source a genuine Nokia 8 battery. Having read @mati5000 's thread I ordered a Wonkegonke battery and had high hopes. After waiting 3 months for it to arrive and actually getting a refund, I installed the battery only to find the accubattery reported battery reported as 1,658mAh after 7 sessions. That is worse than the original.
So, I have order a battery from Fonejoy and again, have high hopes! I will post my results.
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This is the link of the Fonejoy battery that I bought from eBay: https://www.ebay.es/itm/Genuine-Nok...ce5abd85b29a&epid=10028141754&redirect=mobile
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This is the link of the Fonejoy battery that I bought from eBay: https://www.ebay.es/itm/Genuine-Nok...ce5abd85b29a&epid=10028141754&redirect=mobile
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I hope it will be useful for you.
Thanks for the link @bunzo , that is the battery I ordered and the one currently installed in my phone. Unfortunately, like the Wonkegonke battery, this too is showing a lower than expected Estimated capacity within AccuBattery.
I'm starting to think it must be something I am doing wrong or an issue with the phone!
The below is a screenshot after 2 full charges with the original Nokia 8 charger. I allowed the charge to go to 100% instead of the Accubattery recommended 80% if that matters?
Do you guys have any ideas?
Birtybasset said:
Thanks for the link @bunzo , that is the battery I ordered and the one currently installed in my phone. Unfortunately, like the Wonkegonke battery, this too is showing a lower than expected Estimated capacity within AccuBattery.
I'm starting to think it must be something I am doing wrong or an issue with the phone!
The below is a screenshot after 2 full charges with the original Nokia 8 charger. I allowed the charge to go to 100% instead of the Accubattery recommended 80% if that matters?
Do you guys have any ideas?
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Mine showed 3000mAh from 0 (phone shutting down) to 100% with Accubattery and with an USB multimeter too. This image statistic isn't real because you must reset the Accubattery and put it like an new installed, it,s showing 13 sessions, you said this battery was charged only twice
bunzo said:
Mine showed 3000mAh from 0 (phone shutting down) to 100% with Accubattery and with an USB multimeter too. This image statistic isn't real because you must reset the Accubattery and put it like an new installed, it,s showing 13 sessions, you said this battery was charged only twice
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I mean that among the 13 sessions that it puts in the image that you have uploaded, only the last 2 are from the new battery, the previous ones are from the previous battery. To reset the Accubattery statistics I think there is an option in the configuration of the application itself or from settings you can delete data and cache and it is as if you would reinstall it
Well don't I feel silly! Thanks mate, I assumed that the app would adapt and update the battery health but apparently not. I have reinstalled the app and will test again overnight. There's probably nothing wrong with the other battery in this case so I am tempted to test that too. I shall report back.
Birtybasset said:
Well don't I feel silly! Thanks mate, I assumed that the app would adapt and update the battery health but apparently not. I have reinstalled the app and will test again overnight. There's probably nothing wrong with the other battery in this case so I am tempted to test that too. I shall report back.
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Does the original new battery have such a low capacity?
Birtybasset said:
Well don't I feel silly! Thanks mate, I assumed that the app would adapt and update the battery health but apparently not. I have reinstalled the app and will test again overnight. There's probably nothing wrong with the other battery in this case so I am tempted to test that too. I shall report back.
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Ok, tell me how it works after this
mati5000 said:
Does the original new battery have such a low capacity?
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I don't think so, probably is for the same reason, not haven't reseted the Accubattery statistics
The battery statistics can be read correctly through the ADB console command. The original battery sends the correct data, where wongkegonke goes crazy.
Update:
I have been living on a battery-dead iPhone SE 2020 since September. It came with 1400 mAh, 3 months ago I replaced it with a 2000 mAh one. But it barely holds any better. The Sony, even with the batteries that we can buy as an original replacement, still has better battery runtime than an iPhone SE with a battery larger than its original capacity.
So, I would still hold on to this Sony for as long as I could, the battery is still not an issue. At least not in the current market.
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Hi!
I have this XZ1 Compact from July of 2018.
Back in August of 2020, I noticed that my phone's battery didn't last as much as it used to. The official Xperia Service app launchable from the phone app (#*#*7378423*#*#) reported 2400 mAh. I asked a repair shop how stocks on batteries were for this device. They said that stocks were fine, production was still going strong and I have nothing to worry about.
Fast forward to December of 2021 and battery was down to ~2300 mAh and needed daily charge just from web browsing and light social media, compared to 2 days in 2020 and 3-4 in 2018. Decided to send it to the shop above to replace the battery.
They replaced the battery, but the life was not significantly better. Quite the contrary, it seemed even worse. After a couple of days, I checked the battery using AccuBattery and the Xperia Service app: both reported around 2200 mAh.
These days, I gave that shop the phone again. They replaced the battery yet again and gave me the box the new battery came in: they are working with ASWO and I found out that their batteries, while original, are made back in August of 2020 (coincidentally - judging by battery markers reported by ASWO: 20W32).
Does anybody here have any recent success stories replacing this phone's battery? What were your results and what do you recommend I should do? I really want to keep this device as long as possible.
EDIT: Forgot to mention the new battery doesn't seem to last any longer either. I just received the phone yesterday, I will report back with battery measurements once I have some definitive ones. For now, after one charge from 23% to 100%, I got a measurement of 2187 mAh in AccuBattery.
I replaced the battery a few days ago, the value in the battery health test has not changed, it is the same as the old battery. The battery test with accubattery found that the capacity is only about 2000mAh. Maybe there's something wrong with the battery or the system didn't "realize" that the battery was replaced and still limited the charging capacity with the old battery's data. I tried re-flashing the stock rom or other custom rom, and the value still didn't change.
longmeng said:
I replaced the battery a few days ago, the value in the battery health test has not changed, it is the same as the old battery. The battery test with accubattery found that the capacity is only about 2000mAh.
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Regarding the #*#*SERVICE*#*# test menu, the value there only updates after quite a few charges. It takes a while, be patient with that one.
As for AccuBattery, it's good that I am not alone. I called at another phone repair shop and obtained some more info regarding these batteries. It seems like these batteries are manufactured back in August of 2020 (20W32). But I am also pretty sure that ASWO, the place where Sony stores their batteries, doesn't keep them in proper condition, so they deteriorate at a very fast rate.
Depending on where you are, I found some battery manufacturer for this device: Cellonic. They make batteries for almost all phones. It seems they use the Cameron Sino batteries as a base for their batteries, but they have pretty good reviews for batteries where original batteries are not available anymore.
The only distributor for Cellonic batteries is subtel, they have subdivisions in the UK, Germany, Austria, Denmark, the Netherlands, France, Norway, Finland and Sweden (maybe I even missed some). They only ship where they have a subdivision, unfortunately. Since I live in Romania, I will have to ask someone from one of those countries to mail me a Cellonic battery.
The thing is, it seems they make fresh batteries for the device, as they only store them for a very short time. For this device, due to the low demand in batteries, they don't even have them in stock, but they will make them, if they have preorders.
As a bonus thing, the display should be glued with original Water Resistant adhesive, which is HMG (Hot Melt Glue), adhesive tape that only gets sticky if heated at around 80-100°C:
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Regarding the #*#*SERVICE*#*# test menu, the value there only updates after quite a few charges. It takes a while, be patient with that one.
As for AccuBattery, it's good that I am not alone. I called at another phone repair shop and obtained some more info regarding these batteries. It seems like these batteries are manufactured back in August of 2020 (20W32). But I am also pretty sure that ASWO, the place where Sony stores their batteries, doesn't keep them in proper condition, so they deteriorate at a very fast rate.
Depending on where you are, I found some battery manufacturer for this device: Cellonic. They make batteries for almost all phones. It seems they use the Cameron Sino batteries as a base for their batteries, but they have pretty good reviews for batteries where original batteries are not available anymore.
The only distributor for Cellonic batteries is subtel, they have subdivisions in the UK, Germany, Austria, Denmark, the Netherlands, France, Norway, Finland and Sweden (maybe I even missed some). They only ship where they have a subdivision, unfortunately. Since I live in Romania, I will have to ask someone from one of those countries to mail me a Cellonic battery.
The thing is, it seems they make fresh batteries for the device, as they only store them for a very short time. For this device, due to the low demand in batteries, they don't even have them in stock, but they will make them, if they have preorders.
As a bonus thing, the display should be glued with original Water Resistant adhesive, which is HMG (Hot Melt Glue), adhesive tape that only gets sticky if heated at around 80-100°C:
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So how is your battery status now?
@longmeng In the SERVICE menu? I do not have the stock Sony ROM installed, I have LineageOS 17.1. I did, however, have it installed back in December when I made the first replacement and it indicated very close to the number AccuBattery showed. It indicated around 2000 mAh, as yours.
It started showing that number I think after about a week. It was stuck to 2700 mAh in the first 2-3 days. Give it some time.
antoniu200 said:
@longmeng In the SERVICE menu? I do not have the stock Sony ROM installed, I have LineageOS 17.1. I did, however, have it installed back in December when I made the first replacement and it indicated very close to the number AccuBattery showed. It indicated around 2000 mAh, as yours.
It started showing that number I think after about a week. It was stuck to 2700 mAh in the first 2-3 days. Give it some time.
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ok thanks. i try charging from within 20% to 100%. hope it changes
Don't. Just give it around a week. Use the phone normally.
Well, I got news. I don't really trust Cellonic enough, since I have also seen reviews where people aren't very happy with the battery. Some straight up arrived DOA.
Cameron Sino is fully unreliable (as a repair shop reports at least 25 clients came back with such battery not working anymore after 3 months) and nothing is known about CoreParts.
If anybody has any experience with CoreParts batteries, let me know. Until then, I might find myself downgrading to the X Compact and waiting for an actually decent 3rd party battery for the G8441.
antoniu200 said:
Well, I got news. I don't really trust Cellonic enough, since I have also seen reviews where people aren't very happy with the battery. Some straight up arrived DOA.
Cameron Sino is fully unreliable (as a repair shop reports at least 25 clients came back with such battery not working anymore after 3 months) and nothing is known about CoreParts.
If anybody has any experience with CoreParts batteries, let me know. Until then, I might find myself downgrading to the X Compact and waiting for an actually decent 3rd party battery for the G8441.
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Hasn't your phone battery been restored to 2700mAh?
I have found some AliExpress sellers that have listings with phone batteries. So I will be testing out what batteries the ones with the highest feedback rating sell, specifically the manufacturing date and the battery life.
I already asked two of them about the MFD of the batteries they have in stock, to which they said they do not stock the batteries, they buy them new when I place my order. So, my guess would be they buy them directly from Sony's factory.
Fingers crossed.
My current battery manufacturing date: 2021, September (exact MFD code in the format xxWyy is unknown - will edit post once known).
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EDIT: Date written is 27.12.2021 (December 27th, 2021). Very weird how the date is not in Sony's format.
antoniu200 said:
I have found some AliExpress sellers that have listings with phone batteries. So I will be testing out what batteries the ones with the highest feedback rating sell, specifically the manufacturing date and the battery life.
I already asked two of them about the MFD of the batteries they have in stock, to which they said they do not stock the batteries, they buy them new when I place my order. So, my guess would be they buy them directly from Sony's factory.
Fingers crossed.
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Okay, the AliExpress battery turned up bent (bruh!). Not to mention the MFD was week 35 of 2018. So, useless.
I have yet another idea, if anybody could test this. I will also be able to test at some point, but maybe someone here can do that even sooner.
I believe the Z5 Compact's battery is compatible all the way up to the XZ1 Compact (it's proven to be with the X Compact), since the dimensions are very similar, the operating voltage is roughly the same and the connector is the same, even the pinout is identical.
I think it's worth a shot, since high quality 3rd party Z5 Compact batteries are still in production (check PolarCell and GreenCell - maybe some other ones for the Americas, Asia and Australia too).
If anybody here has a Z5 Compact or an X Compact battery available to do some testing around, me and many others will be forever grateful.
Looking on pictures CoreParts and Cellonic sell same product - it promises 2600 mAh
There is also HSABAT which promises 4100 (lol) https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3256802408610661.html but looking on comments it is more in range of 2200 - 2600
PS. Searching for LIP1648ERPC brings more results
More findings: 2019 original one https://www.akku-wechsel.de/shop/or...z1-compact-g8441-1308-1851-3-85v-2700mah.html
Or 2020: https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/3-85V-2700mAh-Mobile-Phone-Battery_1600361884004.html - they say it is in stock
Okay, so the Z5 Compact battery will definitely not fit this phone for daily use (without soldering). In the Z5 Compact, the battery connector is mounted on the same side as the battery, whereas on the XZ1 Compact they are mounted on different sides, so it's a no-go.
It is possible the connector is the same (and most likely even is), but just testing the battery to see if the phone powers on without actually using it seems kind of pointless to me.
I did manage to get my hands on a Z5 Compact battery from PolarCell, so I might still be able to test if the connector is the same.
On the other hand, there is another possibility: Sony might use recycled battery ICs from old batteries, so that might be why the new ones, although with new MFDs on the battery, report low capacities. They might simply need to be calibrated: at least 2 full charge-discharge cycles using a slow charger. According to PolarCell, who also sometimes uses recycled chips, the slowest charger possible.
I'll test and report back.
PolarCell's recommended calibration process (for iPhone 4s battery):
[...] please discharge the battery to 0% and then charge it as slowly as possible (i.e. with the weakest possible charger - no quick charger) to 100%. After reaching 100%, please leave the charger connected for another 2-3 hours. Then please carry out this process a second time for complete calibration.
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Okay, so it's almost impossible to recalibrate that chip inside the battery, because that chip doesn't allow charging over the capacity it thinks the battery has uses battery voltage as an indicator of battery percentage. Plus, I am starting to think again the chip is right: the battery is at 4.2V when the chip reports 100% charge, which is max Sony battery voltage.
So, the only hope is that maybe PolarCell will make a revision of their Z5 Compact battery, with a longer cable and the connector on the other side of the cable, to support the XZ1 Compact. But this is just a possibility.
It seems like I'll have to test that Z5 Compact battery afterall.
Update:
The PolarCell battery for the Z5 Compact is fully functional inside the XZ1 Compact. Tested today.
All PolarCell needs to do is make that cable longer and position the connector on the other side of the cable and they have a compatible battery for the XZ1 Compact. I'll also let them know.
antoniu200 said:
Update:
The PolarCell battery for the Z5 Compact is fully functional inside the XZ1 Compact. Tested today.
All PolarCell needs to do is make that cable longer and position the connector on the other side of the cable and they have a compatible battery for the XZ1 Compact. I'll also let them know.
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Any word back from them yet?
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Any word back from them yet?
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Sorry, didn't have the time to write them yet. I will write them today, since I also have one more thing I need to ask them about, and will report back with their reply.