I know I wasn't the only person waiting on these:
http://cgi.ebay.com/2000mah-Spare-Battery-for-HTC-Touch-Pro-2-T7373-Sprint_W0QQitemZ230441767652
And yes, for you who click on this thread without knowing what they are, Touch Pro 2 batteries are the same size/shape as hero batteries and work just fine in heroes.
Thank You!! Finally, I just bought the battery -- will wait patiently. I have the Mugen 1800 and I haven't been very impressed, hopefully this one doesn't disappoint. Though, for $10, it's a steal.
EDIT:: Just bought 2 actually!
After I purchased I recieved an email with a link to Delivery ETA stats. These are coming from China:
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After I purchased I recieved an email with a link to Delivery ETA stats. These are coming from China:
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I received the Email as well -- basically about 2 weeks is the ETA, not too bad. That was the same for my Mugen battery as well.
In for one.
i just got one also
thanks akijikan for posting the link
thanks for link, just grabbed one myself. For $10, why not?
thanks
Thanks for the link. Just ordered 2. I will compare to the Mugen. So far I am unimpressed with Mugen 1800.
ordered 1.
Im in myself.
Alot of our products , especially electronics come from that region. they are massed produced for under 1.00. One reason they are offered so cheap,but Quality is where we lose at times. Please keep us updated as far as usage. For the price it def makes a great spare
athlet1c said:
Alot of our products , especially electronics come from that region. they are massed produced for under 1.00. One reason they are offered so cheap,but Quality is where we lose at times. Please keep us updated as far as usage. For the price it def makes a great spare
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I don't know... I bought a Mugen 1800 battery, conditioned as the directions stated and yet my results aren't very good. I'm not the only person having this problem. And, I keep hearing from the other thread (Mugen 1800) that these $10 batteries are lastly far far longer than what I have.
I paid $32 for the Mugen, I'm willing to give this a try. You could say that because the batteries are made so cheaply that they might be of lesser quality, but whose to say that the Mugen isn't mass produced at the same $1.00, the only difference here, to me at least is that the Mugen is being sold at a much higher price point when it comes to retail sales.
But I will report my finds upon getting the battery.
I'm not a major battery wiz, but milliampere-hour (mAh) is a rating of hours per the draw of device... not an exact measurement of capacity of power
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ampere-hour
so you change the hardware, the mAh is GOING to change. the voltage draw may be the same, but the amp draw might be different depending on the requirements.
Just keep this in mind when you're thinking that just because it says 2000mah for and hd2 that it's any better than the 1700 and 1800mah for the hero, or even the stock battery. Remember it's a RATING per load per device, the mah standard was created as an easy way of telling estimated time because putting the actual capacity of a battery would just confuse and would be easily manipulated. Depending on the point in which you can drain a li-po li-ion battery to where it becomes phyically damaged and will not charge anymore below 2.8v. most batteries report "dead" when they drop to 3v so that you don't over discharge it. Allowing your battery to drain from 3v to 2.8v could allow for a longer "rated time" but would be by no means healthy for your device. this .2v is your grace period to allow for natual envroinmental discharge in between times away from the charger.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rechargeable_battery#Active_components
With the added dollar amount of $10 I'd be VERY warry if it is as good, or even safe for that matter. Just be warned... and don't be surprised if it does damage your phone that sprint doesn't honor the warranty you just voided by putting an un-reccomended power supply into your device.
johnsongrantr said:
I'm not a battery wiz, but milliampere-hour (mAh) is a rating of hours per the draw of device... not an exact capacity of power
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ampere-hour
so you change the hardware, the mAh is GOING to change. the voltage draw may be the same, but the amp draw might be different depending on the requirements.
Just keep this in mind when you're thinking that just because it says 2000 that it's any better than the 1700 and 1800 that was designed for the same device, or even the stock.
With the added dollar amount of $10 I'd be VERY warry if it is as good, or even safe for that matter. Just be warned... and don't be surprised if it does damage your phone that sprint doesn't honor the warranty you just voided by putting an un-reccomended power supply into your device.
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Duly note. Now... Cant wait for my new battery!!
If you guys are wondering how they perform, the short answer is great, and a lot better than stock. The long answer is, go check the mugen 1800 thread. A couple of us who have been testing the battery have posted some reviews there.
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I bought a couple batteries like this for my Apache back in the day. They did work about the same as the OEM although the MaH rating was higher. I would think that the quality control of the more expensive batteries would be better and likely the characteristics are closer to as promised. Additionally, what I remember was that the durability of the battery was shorter but given the price it was still a worthwhile purchase.
It would seem that the quality of the HTC branded batteries and the Mugen are better than these.
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I bought a couple batteries like this for my Apache back in the day. They did work about the same as the OEM although the MaH rating was higher. I would think that the quality control of the more expensive batteries would be better and likely the characteristics are closer to as promised. Additionally, what I remember was that the durability of the battery was shorter but given the price it was still a worthwhile purchase.
It would seem that the quality of the HTC branded batteries and the Mugen are better than these.
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I understand that products can sometime vary from electronic to electronic. Its just how it goes. I guess I am just one of those consumers that is willing to try something with such a fantastic price that I am willing to throw it away if it isnt what I expected. So far the folks that are using this battery are showing no signs that it is physically hurting their Hero so why not? If it doesnt give extended battery life then oh well, no harm no foul on 10 bucks.
kbizzle said:
I understand that products can sometime vary from electronic to electronic. Its just how it goes. I guess I am just one of those consumers that is willing to try something with such a fantastic price that I am willing to throw it away if it isnt what I expected. So far the folks that are using this battery are showing no signs that it is physically hurting their Hero so why not? If it doesnt give extended battery life then oh well, no harm no foul on 10 bucks.
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untill it explodes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_explosion#Explosion
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Lithium ion
+Very expensive.
+Very high energy density.
+Not usually available in "common" battery sizes (but see RCR-V3 for a counter-example).
+Very common in laptop computers, moderate to high-end digital cameras and camcorders, and cellphones.
+Very low rate of self discharge.
[B]+Volatile: Chance of explosion if short circuited, allowed to overheat, or not manufactured with rigorous quality standards.[/B]
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untill it explodes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_explosion#Explosion
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Lithium ion
+Very expensive.
+Very high energy density.
+Not usually available in "common" battery sizes (but see RCR-V3 for a counter-example).
+Very common in laptop computers, moderate to high-end digital cameras and camcorders, and cellphones.
+Very low rate of self discharge.
[B]+Volatile: Chance of explosion if short circuited, allowed to overheat, or not manufactured with rigorous quality standards.[/B]
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Ok, seeing it that the stock battery is Lithium Ion, this also applies to it as well. Just because it has HTC written on it doesnt mean it is anymore sturdy than any other company. I have seen images of laptops with stock batteries that have burnt holes through the PC from overheating. The chance is always there no matter what route you take.
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Ok, seeing it that the stock battery is Lithium Ion, this also applies to it as well. Just because it has HTC written on it doesnt mean it is anymore sturdy than any other company. I have seen images of laptops with stock batteries that have burnt holes through the PC from overheating. The chance is always there no matter what route you take.
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Agreed! Toshiba, Sony, Mac? Almost all laptop batteries are prone to overheating or exploding... mainly because people leave the power cord plugged INTO there laptop, when the battery itself is fully charged, lolol. I just have to do a *faceplam* every time I see that here at school.
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With all the 1500mAH batteries people are buying, how do you know if what you bought a real 1500mAH battery from HTC or not?
Well, I purchase a HTC 1500mAH from an ebay vendor with a 98% feedback rating. I was skeptical, but the price was low enough to try it out and see if it really is legit. Well, he sold me a fake HTC battery. How do I know? Read on.
True 1500mAH batteries have the following information:
- Part no.: 35H00123-00M (or 03M or 22M some xxM)
- Model: RHOD160
- mAH: 1500mAH
- Whr: 5.55Whr
The first RHOD160 1500mAH battery I bought from eBay (bidallies) was legit. All the watermarks, numbers, and fonts match up. Lastly, it works way better than the stock battery and at least as good (if not better than) the Seidio 1750mAH.
Now, this other guy on ebay (orange_chan) is supposedly selling the RHOD160 battery for less than $8 US. However, some of the numbers don't match up (while it's printed RHOD160 and 1500mAH on this battery).
1. the part no is 35H00125-07M
2. the Whr is rated at 4.07Whr
3. the font is different
Part no 3500125-07M is for the 1100mAH battery from HTC, and 4.07Whr = 1100mAH.
Take the Whr/#Volts = mAH. 4.07Whr/3.7V = 1100mAH
I hope this helps. I've attached three images depicting what I'm talking about.
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Mine is the first. I got this one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170485926831&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
Gotta be VERY careful on ebay, but this vendor seems to be the "go to guy" on the other android forums.
Edit: I'll add it's performing great (HTC 1500) compared to the stock battery. It appears to be giving me similar life to the seidio.
I jusr bought one from bidallies so hopefully it is real. My 7 month old oem tp2 1500mah is losing 25% every 3 hrs and it was in my pocket most of the time. Email was set to check every 30 min though. I wonder if the push gmail is causing it to die.
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1500mah and 1300mah in the oem battery are very close. The 1500mah battery might not be true. Best way to check is go to radio shack and borrow(test in store) or buy a voltage meter. If the battery has more juice then it will last longer. No need to guess.
I found it wasnt the battery fault, it was K9 Email killing it. I almost doubled the time by stopping polling in K9. Now I get 4-5 hrs for 20% of battery. I can go about all day now.
marcw2 said:
1500mah and 1300mah in the oem battery are very close. The 1500mah battery might not be true. Best way to check is go to radio shack and borrow(test in store) or buy a voltage meter. If the battery has more juice then it will last longer. No need to guess.
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Not true. A fully charged battery will always have the same voltage, no matter what the mah rating. Only way to test is to put a know load on it, and track voltage as the battery drains.
jmdearras said:
Not true. A fully charged battery will always have the same voltage, no matter what the mah rating. Only way to test is to put a know load on it, and track voltage as the battery drains.
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I was thinking of one of these, which will show you the extent of the charge. but it might not work with cell phone batteries. I do not know the voltage of the battery.
go to batteryjunction and seach for zts-mbt9r.html or zts-mbt-1.html( i am not allowed to post links)
Today I received from bidallies and compared to my stock TP2 and I think they are making knock offs but really close. Now I really don't care too much as long as the quality lasts. Subtle difference in the fonts and the symbol on the middle back has a different number. Also the word serial and part on the real battery are abbreviated S/N and they are actually spelled out on the bidallies battery. The OP pics have it spelled out too, but I know the original TP2 battery is real since it came out of the box with the phone. The part number is as the OP posted but my real HTC battery last 3 is 08M. So time will tell if this is a real HTC.
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Re: HTC 1500mAH legit battery from Bidallies.
Thank you guys so much for recommending bidallies. After comparing prices in few sites and reading reviews here and on androidforums I decided to buy from bidallies, and boy I am impressed. I purchased 2 batteries from them, one for my HTC Hero and one for my gf's Imagio, I can't believe how fast I received them even with the free shipping option. After 2 full charges on my new battery this baby lasts 2 hours longer then the one that came with the phone. Anybody looking to buy original HTC 35H00123-00M try bidallies on eBay and I promise you won't be disappointed.
Hey, guys, I have HTC 7 Pro that came with battery RHOD160 that is exactly like the first picture in the opening post.
Now it's 2 years old and I am looking for a new battery. I made some research and it turned out that all batteries sold in my city are like the third picture: RHOD160, 1500mAh, 4.07 Whr, Part No: 35H00125-xxM
Is it possible that all batteries in all stores are fake? If so, this is a big conspiracy!
Also, they told me that all original batteries are sold in these tiny nylon bags, not in blisters/boxes, because they make them more expensive. Is this true?
How to be sure that the battery I buy is original?
drPheta, it's been 3 years sinse you've bought the fake 4.07 RHOD160 battery. Please tell what do you think of it.
fashion_m said:
Hey, guys, I have HTC 7 Pro that came with battery RHOD160 that is exactly like the first picture in the opening post.
Now it's 2 years old and I am looking for a new battery. I made some research and it turned out that all batteries sold in my city are like the third picture: RHOD160, 1500mAh, 4.07 Whr, Part No: 35H00125-xxM
Is it possible that all batteries in all stores are fake? If so, this is a big conspiracy!
Also, they told me that all original batteries are sold in these tiny nylon bags, not in blisters/boxes, because they make them more expensive. Is this true?
How to be sure that the battery I buy is original?
drPheta, it's been 3 years sinse you've bought the fake 4.07 RHOD160 battery. Please tell what do you think of it.
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Three years is a long time for a phone, or a thread bump. A quick look at the OP's posting history shows me that he seems to have replaced the Incredible around 18 months ago, so it could be surmised that it lasted 18 months with the replacement battery, or it could be that battery was replaced as it clearly won't last as long on a full charge being 400 mAh less. I don't think it is a conspiracy, it is just that the distributors can get it for a lower cost so they do, so basically it comes down to you get what you pay for. Sometimes "bargains" are ok for a while.
Good luck,
mf2112
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mf2112 said:
Three years is a long time for a phone, or a thread bump. A quick look at the OP's posting history shows me that he seems to have replaced the Incredible around 18 months ago, so it could be surmised that it lasted 18 months with the replacement battery, or it could be that battery was replaced as it clearly won't last as long on a full charge being 400 mAh less. I don't think it is a conspiracy, it is just that the distributors can get it for a lower cost so they do, so basically it comes down to you get what you pay for. Sometimes "bargains" are ok for a while.
Good luck,
mf2112
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You guys change your phones too frequently. I live in the Third World and we change our phones on a 5-6-years basis. The point is how to make them last longer, in a world of planned obsoletion.
I bought genuine 1500 mAh 5.55 Whr battery from HTC authorized dealer. Let's hope it'll last long enough.
fashion_m said:
You guys change your phones too frequently. I live in the Third World and we change our phones on a 5-6-years basis. The point is how to make them last, in a world of planned obsoletion.
I bought genuine 1500 mAh 5.55 Whr battery from HTC authorized dealer. Let's hope it'll last long enough.
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you should be able to get 3500 mah batteries on ebay for 8-12$ US. since they originate in china, should be able to get them wherever you are.
So I'm buying a iPhone 5c from them and I've seen a lot of bad reviews so I'm really nervous about it because I'm in desperate need for a new phone
This seller has up what look like and are listed as OEM 1800 mAh batteries for $5.98? If anyone knows anything about this seller or the authenticity of these batteries, that would rule.
These really seem too good to be true. That said, I'm ordering one. For six bucks, it's worth a shot.
Haha, apparently since this is my first post on here, I can't include a link. However if you just search eBay for the title of the listing, which is "1800mAh Replacement BATTERY HTC Droid Incredible Evo 4G" it's the only result.
VERY likely a Chinese crap battery. However, at that price, it'll still be good for a backup battery. It'll definitely hold at least as much as the stock one
I mean, I'm guessing that that's probably the case, however they are branded HTC, look exactly like the HTC batteries I have, the seller has sold over 600 of them and has a 99.4% feedback rating.
All of those things could really mean absolutely nothing, but it's worth a shot.
Oh definitely! I wish my Seido had the red HTC casing lol
Well at least you're not looking at it all the time. It's a little off topic, but how is that Seido battery treating you? I've just hung out with my standard 1300 mAh for too long, I'm sick of it. I've got an OEM 1500 mAh on the way and now this suspect one.
God the Seido 1750 is amazing. On Uber Z with included kernel I get from 7am-10pm with medium-heavy use and have 40-50% left (which I then promptly spend watching youtube vids and playing Angry Birds until 1am ) treating me pretty well, I'd say it's worth the money. I look at it often enough btw, I seem to have a nasty bug that whenever I toggle the WiFi on while doing something else, the phone has a 50/50 chance of stalling and needing a batt. pull -_-
Well, nevermind. Before I decided to order I thought I'd look at the seller's negative feedback. I found these three pieces of feedback on this battery:
"Removed sticker and noticed the battery was labeled at 1130mAh."
"Battery has yet to outlast OEM battery which is 1500mAh."
"Great Deal on product, different than advertised, 1800mAh was a 1250mAh instead"
So that's that, I suppose. All the good reviews are probably from people who didn't bother to check it out closely or test it before leaving feedback. I think I'll just put those six bucks toward a real OEM or Seido from a trusted source.
Wow good call. I got my Seido from the AndroidCentral store, got fast shipping on it under the standard option. I'd personally buy from them again, highly recommended.
Hm, that's an interesting problem. I can't think of how that could be caused by the battery though! I'll probably invest in one from them or find an 1800 mAh OEM battery that's not from a seller in Hong Kong off eBay for six bucks.
From what I've heard, the OEM batteries come in original 1300 and 2100, not at 1800. that's why I got the Seido. And that problem has nothing to do with the battery, I just do see the battery a lot
Haha, I totally misread that. Maybe you can find out where this guy is getting his red HTC stickers from.
And I've heard people talking about OEM 1500 and 1800 mAh batteries before...hmmm...
the 1800 mah i ordered from ebay seems to be good. lasts longer than the one which comes with the incredible for sure
You might have gotten lucky. What seller did you buy it from?
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And I've heard people talking about OEM 1500 and 1800 mAh batteries before...hmmm...
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The 1500 could be the Evo battery. It fits in the Inc, so I've heard. I would like to someday upgrade my battery maybe the 1750...
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I bought 2 of these from amor_istores and they both outlast my 1300mah and 1500mah batteries. I couldn't be happier. It took a while to get to Michigan from Hong Kong, but it was worth it. I stream Shoutcast or Pandora through it all day at work with a good signal. And yeah, it does look like a real HTC battery, but I highly doubt it.
Funny thing is, the postage added up to $8! Weird. I suggest buying it. That's just my opinion though..
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Well, I'm going to take your word for it. Buying one from the same seller you did, "amor_istores". It was $5.98 with free shipping. If I'm not as lucky as you, it won't be too big of a loss.
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Just ordered one. We'll see.
I just recieved an "OEM" 1500 mAh battery from a seller on eBay called "accessorymallonline" in the mail today. It was just over 8 bucks and I bought it right before I started this thread. It's charging right now, gonna charge it up to full, kill it and charge it all night so I can get a few cycles in it before trying it out tomorrow.
We'll see how it does compared to my standard 1300 mAh battery. Looking at it compared to my standard battery, there are some major differences in labeling and the way the label is laid out/stuck on the battery. I'm assuming this would be the same battery that ships with the Evo, I'm going to check out some pictures and compare them to what I recieved.
Battery feels solid, is slightly thicker than my standard battery, would look OEM if I didn't have a real HTC battery to compare it next to. Who knows, it could be, but I don't really think so.
Well, looking at the pictures on Android Central of their OEM HTC 1500 mAh battery, I'm inclined to say this is OEM. The quality is there, the battery actually feels better made than my standard 1300 mAh one.
There's not a detail missing from the battery when compared to the picture, really. They look identical. I wish I knew someone with an EVO so I could compare side by side. I have to wonder, could these actually be OEM?
I don't have any experience with extended batteries for the Incredible, but I highly suggest you check out this website. The extended battery market is notorious for misrepresentation.
A few years ago I did a battery test for a Samsung device (as a job assignment). We tested the stock battery against four eBay batteries that were selling for under $10 all claiming to be OEM. Every single eBay battery performed weaker than advertised. The best one was about 25% under its rating and the worst one about 60% under. I haven't trusted cheap batteries ever since...
Not saying that every seller out there is lying, but at the end of the day you get what you pay for. Hope you're having a bettery experience with your purchase than we did with our Sammy batteries back in the day.
So I searched around and all I could find was one $80+ battery that came with a new back cover.
Anyone have better luck?
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WP7 app testing... sorry
I believe the Samsung Captivate's battery (or any of the other Galaxy S batteries) will work with the Focus. There was a thread about it a few months ago but I couldn't find it and I have not tried it myself.
They do work, I use a spare battery I have from when I had a galaxy s on sprint.
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I don't want a spare. I want one with double the capacity :-D
http://www.jpitta.com - Sent from my SGH-i917 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App
Mugen do a 1600mAh battery that uses the OEM battery cover and a 3200mAh battery (more than double the capacity) that comes with a replacement rear cover. Turns your beautiful slimline Focus into a brick tho'.
Also no way I'd be paying $100 for a spare battery, I'd rather buy a couple of stock spares to swap in for far less money and keep the beautiful profile of the Focus.
Just my 2c.
I didn't buy the focus because its thin. I bought it for the screen + expandable storage that doesnt work yet.
It'd still be nice to keep it as thin as possible though, right?
Either way, doesn't look like there are many options out there... The Focus seems like a fairly popular device all things considered, but HTC is simply dominating the WP7 market. Although there are a few Focus specific accessories out there, it looks like the phone may be doomed to seeing a $100 battery from Mugen Power alone :/
Wish there a few more options available. The stock battery is OK, but if you use your phone often, it isn't good enough. I have two extra batteries to help for that issue, but without an easy way to charge these extras, it gets annoying to keep them all full.
Funkadube said:
Wish there a few more options available. The stock battery is OK, but if you use your phone often, it isn't good enough. I have two extra batteries to help for that issue, but without an easy way to charge these extras, it gets annoying to keep them all full.
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For $3.50 DealExtreme offers a wall charger for galaxy batteries. Google is your friend!
Since i cant post links, go to dealextreme.com and in the search bar enter sku.50808.
Seidio has OEM sized, extended life batteries.
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Seidio has OEM sized, extended life batteries.
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Do you have a link or something? I can't find it in Seidio's online shop.
EnderPsp said:
Do you have a link or something? I can't find it in Seidio's online shop.
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I'm pretty sure it was this - unless the stick battery is also 1500mAh?
Kebero said:
I'm pretty sure it was this - unless the stick battery is also 1500mAh?
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That's not an extended battery, that's a regular one, even the title says it:
Innocell 1500mAh Slim Replacement Battery
How about this one: http://www.amazon.com/Anker-1700mAh-Li-ion-Battery-Samsung/dp/B0058LLPVO
It says "for Galaxy S II", does it fit Focus?
sensboston said:
How about this one: http://www.amazon.com/Anker-1700mAh-Li-ion-Battery-Samsung/dp/B0058LLPVO
It says "for Galaxy S II", does it fit Focus?
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No, Focus battery (left) is squared, that is rectangular.
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MOMAX 1700 mAH battery
How about the Momax 1700 mAh, just ordered one of these, anyone tried them?
http://www.cellularfactory.com/det.jsp?d=50744&c=612344
scottwvc said:
How about the Momax 1700 mAh, just ordered one of these, anyone tried them?
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Would be interested to see how this holds up, seems like a pretty cheap battery if you ask me. I'm tired of sleeping over at my girlfriends and having my phone die because I don't have a charger for it and I've used it all day.
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Would be interested to see how this holds up, seems like a pretty cheap battery if you ask me. I'm tired of sleeping over at my girlfriends and having my phone die because I don't have a charger for it and I've used it all day.
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I wouldn't expect miracles. Maybe a maximum of 15-20% extra time, but I wouldn't stretch that far
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On the website the description is more accurate, as on other webites you get "double the standby time and talk time" which is of course, not true.
Quote from Momax website:
* Use the highest-capacity batteries, long standby time, high stability, performance, consistent with the original.
* Advanced Lithium-ion technology, high performance output.
* Battery charging times of up to 500 times or more, environmental protection, and durable.
* Use imported IC components, precision protection circuit board prevents battery overcharge and the positive and negative transient short-circuit, safe, secure.
* Equipped with short-circuit. Overcurrent device in line with international safety standards.
* Production in line with ISO 9002 and ISO 14001 specifications.
Someone here at XDA bought one and I don't see any follow-up which makes me think there's nothing special to expect...
I wouldn't expect miracles either, however I use my phone a fair amount and I usually am forced to sleep with my phone off (which I hate doing). Enough to last through the night would be wonderful.
I just thought I would share this just in case if anyone was interested. I bought this battery for my Samsung Captivate and it works well. So I decided to out try it in my Focus to see if it would fit..it fit perfectly!! I have had the battery for only 2 weeks now but it does work better and it looks to be Samsung OEM.
So just to recap this fits with the stock back. It is but you will never notice once it closes
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1303883
http://www.mobilecityonline.com/wireless/store/productdetail.asp?productid=28506
Just to clarify...this 1800mah battery fits under the OEM samsung focus cover?? Can you update this thread with usage times?
I would also like to know if this battery is available in EU?
Sierra76 said:
I would also like to know if this battery is available in EU?
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There is an ebay seller shipping to EU.
I've opted for the Chinese 1800 mAh copies as they're cheap, will update with details when they arrive.
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Just to clarify...this 1800mah battery fits under the OEM samsung focus cover?? Can you update this thread with usage times?
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Correct this battery fits under the stock cover. This phone isn't my daily phone so I can't tell you how much longer it lasts. What I can tell you though is that in my Captivate (daily phone) it lasts longer for sure, probably about 20 to 30% more. I literally used it in the Focus for like half a day and it had no issues.
Okay I am using the battery in the focus today. It does snap. Lose but it is a tight fight. If you have a case it won't be a problem at all. One corner from my phone unsnaps randomly but one of my clips is broken so that could be the case also.
I received today the Chinese batteries.
They fit perfectly in the Focus and looks like they're exactly the same size. I've started the phone with one and it works fine.
Battery cover is absolutely the same with this one as with the original. I didn't notice any difference in weight either.
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I will charge one fully and test it asap and will post back the results.
Could you PM me where did you buy that chinesse battery?
I tested the Chinese batteries and they're weak, as I expected.
They held 3h 05m on WP Bench where as my 1 year old original Focus battery held 3h 50 min in the same battery test, that's 80% of the battery I have now and I remember in NoDo, on WP Bench battery was holding about 6h.
So, they're good as backups, but in no way better than the originals.
The originals should be better, in theory.
I bought the Anker battery from amazon which was around 10 bucks. Its also 1800 mah, but is the same size as the Samsung OEM stock batter that comes with the focus. Seemed to last about 36 hours with light use on my Focus. One thing I noticed - the charging indicator never stops blinking to say that is finished charging. IMHO doesn't seem to give much more than a fresh new stock OEM battery - although for 10 bucks I agree would make a good back up, thats about it.
Here's the link to the battery I purchased:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004KVTNYE/ref=oh_o00_s00_i00_details
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I tested the Chinese batteries and they're weak, as I expected.
They held 3h 05m on WP Bench where as my 1 year old original Focus battery held 3h 50 min in the same battery test, that's 80% of the battery I have now and I remember in NoDo, on WP Bench battery was holding about 6h.
So, they're good as backups, but in no way better than the originals.
The originals should be better, in theory.
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I never knew about WP Bench. Wish I had. My Focus had 420 or so cycles on it's battery and had a rapid performance decline in charge holding. It also blew up (physically) a bit. I replaced it with a replacement OEM from Batteries +.
The replacement doesn't seem to be the equivalent of Day 1 on the Original battery but maybe Mango and my usage is far more than before.
The knock off batteries, the misrepresented mah ratings, and even the out-right faking of batteries has my jaw dropped. Buyer beware.
I contend that the battery issue, battery fakes, and cheap replacements is 100% the reason Apple doesn't make their battery accessible. They want a tight control over those batteries to guarantee performance.
I just ordered the OEM from first post. When it arrives, I will attempt to do scientific tests and post results. I'll use WP Bench as mentioned before since that is likely the most accurate way to test.
Stock Battery
4:11:57
Airplane mode and NOTHING running…
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Ok, Here is a Preliminary set of numbers with 1800 battery...
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Same settings and still NOTHING running:
Reason I say preliminary is because this was after the FIRST charge. When the phone finished charging again, I needed to use the phone, so was unable to set it for a test run again. I'll attempt that again tonight. BUT, for the record, I took the phone with me to Reno, NV and used it for over 1 1/2 days without charging. Used the Internet, Maps, and Showing it off to family, taking 15 mins of video during the fireworks, and still had 10% battery left over... I'm really anxious to see what my test results will be this next time...
FYI, it is a fairly tight fit within the cover, but it DOES fit. Once I got all the snaps snapped, it feels very secure.
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Correct this battery fits under the stock cover. This phone isn't my daily phone so I can't tell you how much longer it lasts. What I can tell you though is that in my Captivate (daily phone) it lasts longer for sure, probably about 20 to 30% more. I literally used it in the Focus for like half a day and it had no issues.
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Could you send us the link for purchase, please?
Yeah, that's strange, the link died on the first post. Here's a link to eBay with a bunch available... Look for part # EB625152VA If you Bing/Google this number, you will find other resellers too.
If you like paying full price, buy direct from Samsung: http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones-accessories/EB625152VABSTD
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Ok, final numbers, photos, and thoughts. The battery is snug, (if you look carefully, you can see a slight deformation on the battery cover where it is forming over the oversized Galaxy battery) but after it is snapped closed, you won't notice as jev3gs has already mentioned. Images attached.
I've made a correction for the time posted in above post (Copied it wrong), and have performed two tests with each battery, so I'm confident that the numbers here are correct. The tests were within about 30 seconds of each other on each battery.
Stock Focus Battery 5.55Wh 1500 mAh
PN# EB575152VA
4hrs 11mins 57sec
= 251.95 Minutes
Galaxy S™ II Battery 6.66Wh 1800 mAh
PN# EB625152VA
4hrs 43mins 40sec
= 283.67 Minutes
This is an improvement of 31.72mins, or 11%! That's using WP Bench which kills the battery very quickly compared to real usage.
That may not seem like much, but for me in my usage, that will likely equate to an extra 1.5 hours per day. 12 hours + 11% = 13.32 hours.
(According to the printed battery specs, you should actually receive about 16% extra, my tests showed a little lower. Maybe will get better with more usage.)
I have not done charging tests yet, but it also seems like it is charging faster. That may be in my head, but it seems like about an hour faster... I MIGHT test that later.
PS: Thank you jev3gs for the heads up on this tip. I was about to buy another battery anyways, so this is icing on the cake!
Thanks for taking the time and doing the review! Let us know about charging times too!
Thanks for the detailed posts SuperSport. I wish the OP had put this before I bought the Momax battery which takes forever to charge compared to the stock one.
Unfortunately, I still have not run verifiable tests to prove the charge times. It does seem faster, but normally, I charge it at night and don't pay attention to when it completes. I've been a bit to busy to run the tests during the day, so it will need to wait for now.
I've bought many OEM and Generic batteries over the years for both phones and Radio Control, and it's really hit and miss. Sometimes, the Generic blow the OEM out of the water, but usually, the OEM batteries outperform.
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What do u mean by light use? My stock one, I use the phone for reading news from weave and wp7 news with WiFi enabled, and I got about 5h. I also play games for a little bit. That is my typical day usage.
I wish to use the phone for around half of the day or so, if this 1800 MAh could give me that much of power, then it is awesome
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What do u mean by light use? My stock one, I use the phone for reading news from weave and wp7 news with WiFi enabled, and I got about 5h. I also play games for a little bit. That is my typical day usage.
I wish to use the phone for around half of the day or so, if this 1800 MAh could give me that much of power, then it is awesome
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Using my 11% gain as a reference, you could expect 5.55 hours, up from 5 hours. If Samsung is correct, and it's 16% gain, then it would be 5.8 hours. Still not quite 1/2 day...
Hello, i want to share my experience with this phone after 4 years of using daily.
Battery has still endurance about 2 days and more. 7-8 hours SOT.
Only thing, little bit more hot in summer on direct sunlight.
Comparing to other users of devices like apple, samsung, lg etc. is this experience almost impossible.
My questions: What can be real or truth from professional point of view about Li-Ion battery and its very good endurance after 4 years?
Worth for change if its in pretty good condition but 4 years old?
> What can be real or truth from scientific point of view? (if i am still using this phone)
nothing!
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> What can be real or truth from scientific point of view? (if i am still using this phone)
nothing!
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Because some iPhone 12 mini user replied to my comment in one review video about my phone and replied to me deeply about batteries and my stupidity, they can degrade their capacity. But i know from using this phone and Z1 compact, X compact, XZ1, XZ2, XZ2c and many, many, many other phones, what is true from real experience POV. Yes, some brands havent so good technology or so quality batteries and many users had bad experience from using their phone for 100-300 bucks fully new, or iPhone. I dont care about battery if i have XZ1 compact but if i am talking about my phone, no one believes me.
noone believes you because it is not true.
i am not saying you lie, but you are mistaken.
li-ion batteries loose capacity with cycles and age. at 4 years of use, your battery should be around 50% its original capacity, if looked for well.
there is no manufacturer magic here. its like saying your gas car doesnt need gas refills becasue its a better brand of car. its really that silly.
only way battery would be around 90% health today is if you charged it to 50% and stored it in the fridge the whole time, you didnt.
btw you should do that with battery spares.
Lanchon said:
noone believes you because it is not true.
i am not saying you lie, but you are mistaken.
li-ion batteries loose capacity with cycles and age. at 4 years of use, your battery should be around 50% its original capacity, if looked for well.
there is no manufacturer magic here. its like saying your gas car doesnt need gas refills becasue its a better brand of car. its really that silly.
only way battery would be around 90% health today is if you charged it to 50% and stored it in the fridge the whole time, you didnt.
btw you should do that with battery spares.
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I know this for very long time, li-ion batteries loosing their capacities or degrade voltage after some year usage, but how li-ion battery directly on this phone can stay that long - around 4 years, still with 2-3+ days using daily and 7-8h SOT ? Before it had really similar endurance. Never disassembled.
because it was large to beguin with. now that its smaller it still lasts.
one thing is: if the battery is very large and you charge it every day (which you should) then the cycling is shallow and wont affect life much. couple that with maybe you live in a cold place, and it can last longer that expected.
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because it was large to beguin with. now that its smaller it still lasts.
one thing is: if the battery is very large and you charge it every day (which you should) then the cycling is shallow and wont affect life much. couple that with maybe you live in a cold place, and it can last longer that expected.
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I am charging it sometimes through PC, but most of time I am charging it with wall charger from Xiaomi Redmi Note 9 pro - on second day of usage (mostly after some 50-60 hours on standby) and my living has around 20 degrees. Also, my friend has this phone also 3 years not disassembled and he is also curious about battery endurance.
jurkoman said:
i typed adb shell dumpsys battery and it shows me still 100 percent of capacity.
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Are you talking about these lines :
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Because it just means that your phone is fully charged (in my example above, it says that my phone is charged at 33%), not that the capacity is still as new.
Why in android i cannot know battery capacity directly like on iOS without testing in Accubattery for 8 hours+- and have primary phone in indisposition state? Is year 2022 and phone batteries are getting old, but maybe it is typical argument of "iPhone user".
When my phone ran stock android, I used to check it from time to time through the service menu (*#*#7378423#*#*).
That's a pity it can not be done in a vanilla/custom android.
This is an interesting question. Mine lasts one day, and I'm a heavy user but not a gamer. I charged it only to 80% during lifetime, but lately had to start charging to 100%
I started to dig and found info, that our beloved phone has Qnovo Adaptive Charging - so I guess it worked But this technology was not used in many phones - almost none. So I think this is most obvious answer. Which is funny if you read comments from 2018 stating Qnovo is useless BUT (big but here) I have no idea if this technology was adapted as software and/or hardware solution. From comments I read it can limit charging rate, and this is what I observe from time to time in my Lineage OS.
Other factors could contribute here:
- quality of used materials, including cathodes and anodes
- chosen technology for those as well
- charging controller - quality and logic (Qnovo?)
- how easy battery dissipates heat - heat is the battery killer
- even quality of included charger - my subjective opinion is, that newer, more powerful chargers, while charge faster, make the phone also hotter. So I avoid them
Another thing to consider - if Sony paid Qnovo, it means they cared about batery life. So other tricks could have been involved.
Also I guess such type of phone was not bought by cool kids / gamers (it is small and not cool . So usage pattern will be different (apps, tasks) which may also change battery wear over time.
In the end OS will also affect battery life. Sony was not adding ton of features to their official ROMs, which could increase battery drain. Of course it was never a vanilla, but still not something terrible (3.6
Were things start to get interesting... If you try to find battery replacement. It is very hard to find battery replacement on the market with original capacity of 2700. While many years after premiere technology evolved. So it had to be sth special about them, as they squeezed 2700 inside, but nowadays you cannot find equal replacement, not speaking about increased capacity, which would be much more fun.
I still use this phone everyday and I would like to know the battery manufacturer.
Few weeks ago I did a battery degradation test, and after 5 years the battery is at 80%. I can use the phone up to two days (no gaming).
Samsung galaxy s3 and s5 batteries last max a couple of years (the battery was at 50% aprox).
Were things start to get interesting... If you try to find battery replacement. It is very hard to find battery replacement on the market with original capacity of 2700. While many years after premiere technology evolved. So it had to be sth special about them, as they squeezed 2700 inside, but nowadays you cannot find equal replacement, not speaking about increased capacity, which would be much more fun.
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To my knowledge, the only batteries that have even close to 2700 mAh on the market are from phones that saw little to no usage over the years and the battery has been kept at around 50% charge after all these years. Which it, to say the least, rare.
The reason for this is that Sony wants us to go pay for a new phone, so they sell underperforming batteries as official replacements. Of course, the Chinese don't do much better either and 3rd party battery manufacturers won't bother to make such a battery because there will be very little orders of such part. Here is a conversation between me and a battery manufacturer in China, when I was trying to design a battery:
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(...) the tabs (cathode and anode) are too far away from each other in the image. I specified 10 mm spacing from battery corner to tab, 20 mm spacing between tabs.
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Manufacturer:
I recommend this battery because I want to reduce your cost.
If the nickel sheet needs to be adjusted, redesigned and customized, the customization cost is 3,000 dollars, and the purchase quantity is required to be 10,000 batteries.
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I was requesting this adjustment so that I didn't have to redesign the whole BMS, but just solder this new battery's tabs to the BMS we have now, hence losing 0 functionality.
Of course, the manufacturer's message was a clear step-back at the time, giving me reason to think the situation through. The next step was clear, however. The main chip on the BMS responsible for OCP (overcurrent), OVP, OCP (overcharge), etc. and reporting battery percentage and temperature had to be localized and wired just like in the original BMS. The only thing that required change was the pad positioning on the PCB for the cathode and anode.
The chip is a muRata internal chip, with untraceable codes: 401C02M8 and 2BN0R420
I replied to the manufacturer last week, asking for their help in tracking down this chip and the connector on the BMS that connects the BMS to the phone motherboard. Here's how that conversation went:
Manufacturer:
I need a little time to reply to you, because I don't have Sony battery, so I'm not sure which connectors are. If you need to make sure, I'll send you the quotation tomorrow for confirmation, and we can do it if you are sure it's ok.
In addition, after the development of BMS, will you have a large number of purchases later?
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More than 10? For now, definitely not. In the future, it depends on how the product will sell.
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It's been 3 days since "tomorrow", but the "quotation" never came. I would assume the situation with the 10,000 batteries is repeated.
So, yeah. If the manufacturers require such high orders, I think everybody could realize why Sony is doing what they are doing and why 3rd parties provide fairly poor replacements, if any.
So, no better battery on the horizon for our beloved, but at least now we know where we need to look.
Plus, on a positive note, the smallest powerhouse alternative to the Xperia XZ1 Compact is, as we all know, the iPhone SE series. Well, they're not much better. Even with PolarCell's (claimed 2300 mAh, but actually only) 2000 mAh battery, which is higher than the original's 1821 (SE 2nd gen.), doesn't hold up any better than the XZ1 Compact. Absolutely huge drain while in standby, up to 10% after 10 hours of standby in airplane mode. Max SOT I've seen is somewhere around 6 hours (hard to measure on iOS, 'cause why would it be easy?). "Investment" not recommended.
Man, congrats for going as far as talking to manufacturer!
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To my knowledge, the only batteries that have even close to 2700 mAh on the market are from phones that saw little to no usage over the years and the battery has been kept at around 50% charge after all these years. Which it, to say the least, rare.
The reason for this is that Sony wants us to go pay for a new phone, so they sell underperforming batteries as official replacements. Of course, the Chinese don't do much better either and 3rd party battery manufacturers won't bother to make such a battery because there will be very little orders of such part. Here is a conversation between me and a battery manufacturer in China, when I was trying to design a battery:
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Me:
Manufacturer:
I was requesting this adjustment so that I didn't have to redesign the whole BMS, but just solder this new battery's tabs to the BMS we have now, hence losing 0 functionality.
Of course, the manufacturer's message was a clear step-back at the time, giving me reason to think the situation through. The next step was clear, however. The main chip on the BMS responsible for OCP (overcurrent), OVP, OCP (overcharge), etc. and reporting battery percentage and temperature had to be localized and wired just like in the original BMS. The only thing that required change was the pad positioning on the PCB for the cathode and anode.
The chip is a muRata internal chip, with untraceable codes: 401C02M8 and 2BN0R420
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I replied to the manufacturer last week, asking for their help in tracking down this chip and the connector on the BMS that connects the BMS to the phone motherboard. Here's how that conversation went:
Manufacturer:
Me:
It's been 3 days since "tomorrow", but the "quotation" never came. I would assume the situation with the 10,000 batteries is repeated.
So, yeah. If the manufacturers require such high orders, I think everybody could realize why Sony is doing what they are doing and why 3rd parties provide fairly poor replacements, if any.
So, no better battery on the horizon for our beloved, but at least now we know where we need to look.
Plus, on a positive note, the smallest powerhouse alternative to the Xperia XZ1 Compact is, as we all know, the iPhone SE series. Well, they're not much better. Even with PolarCell's (claimed 2300 mAh, but actually only) 2000 mAh battery, which is higher than the original's 1821 (SE 2nd gen.), doesn't hold up any better than the XZ1 Compact. Absolutely huge drain while in standby, up to 10% after 10 hours of standby in airplane mode. Max SOT I've seen is somewhere around 6 hours (hard to measure on iOS, 'cause why would it be easy?). "Investment" not recommended.
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I would've lied to him about the purchases.
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I would've lied to him about the purchases.
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And then what? End up buying 10 000? I am talking for real with the guy, not just speculations.
On another train of thoughts, the guy came back with a reply. after a week. He ordered the original battery to analyse its BMS for me and it should arrive Monday.