Related
See:
Moto G62 and Moto G42 official with 50MP cameras and large batteries
The Moto G62 and Moto G42 are the latest budget-friendly offerings from the Lenovo-owned company, offering 50MP cameras, large batteries, and more.
www.xda-developers.com
Hey guys,
It appears that Vivo and SamEsung have a new threat on the horizon... The Xiomi Mix Fold 2!
Thinner, ligher, having better spec than the X fold, almost same size screens as the X Fold...
And let's face it, Xiaomi has a better software than Vivo plus this will be their second gen fold and they have some feedback by now... The cameras are quite similar too. The price also. I might switch... Just for the experience...
Link
Any thoughts?
I wouldn't necessarily say the software is better yet. I will say it could be more flexible for rooting and other things but better is kind of subjective. That said I'm curious to see vivo implement android 12 L. Honestly I'm a bit concerned about their updates in relation to adoption of new os updates like android 12L and android 13
Vivo will be releasing a refresh of the X Fold called the X Fold S. Seems to be exactly the same but with a Snapdragon 8+ Gen1... They might switch their interest to it after release so I'm not sure how things will unfold.
Xiaomi has the plus of having official bootloader unlock options and the Xiaomi EU custom roms that support even China only devices. Another thing is that Xiaomi has a lot bigger user base and more development...
Don't know how you can say Mix Fold 2 is better than X Fold?
Beside it very thin and of course 8+ gen 1
No flex mode
No wireless charge and reverse wireless charge
Smaller battery
No inner screen selfie camera
No Under Screen Fingerprint Sensor
Candy_girl2008 said:
Don't know how you can say Mix Fold 2 is better than X Fold?
Beside it very thin and of course 8+ gen 1
No flex mode
No wireless charge and reverse wireless charge
Smaller battery
No inner screen selfie camera
No Under Screen Fingerprint Sensor
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The last two are actually plusses for me...
Flex mode? There is no flex mode on the X Fold. Only the Samsung have this.
Wireless charging is the biggest evil ever conceived... Slow, heating up the entire device...
Smaller battery? To my knowledge both have 4500mAh battery packs.
Anyway... Different people different needs... I like my X fold but xiaomi is xiaomi...
OrionBG said:
The last two are actually plusses for me...
Flex mode? There is no flex mode on the X Fold. Only the Samsung have this.
Wireless charging is the biggest evil ever conceived... Slow, heating up the entire device...
Smaller battery? To my knowledge both have 4500mAh battery packs.
Anyway... Different people different needs... I like my X fold but xiaomi is xiaomi...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You make me laugh so hard,why? Do you really own vivo x fold? No flex mode? Go to setting and search "flex" to see the result?You can do it on i video app and camera app.Your knowledge there both have 4500mah?Laughing again, pls do your research and comparison before saying anything.Have a nice day
Candy_girl2008 said:
You make me laugh so hard,why? Do you really own vivo x fold? No flex mode? Go to setting and search "flex" to see the result?You can do it on i video app and camera app.Your knowledge there both have 4500mah?Laughing again, pls do your research and comparison before saying anything.Have a nice day
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Ok so there is a flex mode that is only supported by the vivo video player and netflix... Wow... This is why i have never seen it...
And the battery is 4600mAh on the vivo! A whole 100mAh more. That is almost 10 minutes more battery life
But yeah OK, it has those. We don't know what software will the Xiaomi have exactly so it might or might not have a flex mode... (Quite usesless for me personally but other people use it. I had Galaxy Fold 2 at one pointand did not use it there too)
Once again different people different use cases ...
With root and bootloader unlock I am extremely happy with the x fold. I can’t see myself jumping ship unless xiaomi / vivo does something special. Honestly I’m happy. Having said that xiaomi is a bit more developer friendly in some circumstances (not all). I guess it is try before you buy.
I have ordered the Xiaomi Mix Fold 2 and will update the thread when it arrives. It has an unlockable bootloader which will make rooting with Magisk straight forward, but be aware that it runs on MIUI 13.1 Fold firmware which is based on Android 12, not 12L. Xiaomi is working directly with app developers to create foldable tweaks. Xiaomi EU has confirmed they will not undertake a custom ROM for this device, as the CN firmware is unique to this single device and Xiaomi EU will not do one off projects. Also the good old Xiaomi dialing code that enables VoLTE on devices not supported by carrier SIM settings does not work on MIUI 13.1 firmware. I'm hoping that a Magisk module or editing the build.prop will solve that problem for me, as my carrier (Rogers Canada) won't support VoLTE for the device and thus when voice calls drop to 3G when travelling in the US I wouldn't be able to place phone calls.
domineus said:
With root and bootloader unlock I am extremely happy with the x fold. I can’t see myself jumping ship unless xiaomi / vivo does something special. Honestly I’m happy. Having said that xiaomi is a bit more developer friendly in some circumstances (not all). I guess it is try before you buy.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Can't agree more.
I too like how I have configured everything on my X Fold, especially with the launcher I use, but the Mix Fold 2 has some definite pluses too. I'll probably wait for a while to see how things go and some reviews and then decide...
frcraig said:
I have ordered the Xiaomi Mix Fold 2 and will update the thread when it arrives. It has an unlockable bootloader which will make rooting with Magisk straight forward, but be aware that it runs on MIUI 13.1 Fold firmware which is based on Android 12, not 12L. Xiaomi is working directly with app developers to create foldable tweaks. Xiaomi EU has confirmed they will not undertake a custom ROM for this device, as the CN firmware is unique to this single device and Xiaomi EU will not do one off projects. Also the good old Xiaomi dialing code that enables VoLTE on devices not supported by carrier SIM settings does not work on MIUI 13.1 firmware. I'm hoping that a Magisk module or editing the build.prop will solve that problem for me, as my carrier (Rogers Canada) won't support VoLTE for the device and thus when voice calls drop to 3G when travelling in the US I wouldn't be able to place phone calls.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I will be eagerly waiting for your report on the device when you receive it.
Even if you post it in another thread, please drop a link here so we can see it.
Volte works here in the UK for the Vivo X Fold (I think... at least during a call I stay on 4G/5G, also have the HD Call icon) (WiFi call works also).
OrionBG said:
I will be eagerly waiting for your report on the device when you receive it.
Even if you post it in another thread, please drop a link here so we can see it.
Volte works here in the UK for the Vivo X Fold (I think... at least during a call I stay on 4G/5G, also have the HD Call icon) (WiFi call works also).
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Same actually. I was surprised I got it in America as well as Scotland.
It’s a shame Canada isn’t working
do u think mix fold 2 Chinese rom enable call record ? thanks
frcraig said:
Also the good old Xiaomi dialing code that enables VoLTE on devices not supported by carrier SIM settings does not work on MIUI 13.1 firmware
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This is false info, I confirmed it's working on Xiaomi MIX Fold 2 (MIUI 13.1).
Xiaomi MIX Fold 2's pros compared to vivo X Fold:
Lightweight and thin, I even feel it's lighter than Xiaomi 12S Ultra
High performance, it was avg. 59.9fps with Genshin highest quality
No punch hole
Creases are even less noticeable
VoLTE is enabled by default and force-enable command works
Touch latency of MIX Fold 2's inner screen is far better than vivo (and even normal flagships), it's 37.6ms where vivo was 56.7ms
Android smartphone Benchmark Charts; CPU, GPU, memory & storage performance, and touch latency - AndroPlus
Here's my benchmark results for each SoC and device. List of Benchmark Results AnTuTu benchmark is a popular Android benchmark app, but often falls victim
androplus.org
Cons:
No flex mode, cannot be fixed at any angle
vivo's camera is better especially at night
Wattage performance is a little poor in performance mode, maybe it's better on balanced mode
Easily heated, easily cooled
No punch hole camera, but illuminance sensor is visible in light reflection
How to enable Android Auto on Xiaomi MIUI Chinese ROM [Magisk] - AndroPlus
I created a Magisk module that solves the problem of not being able to use Android Auto with MIUI Chinese ROMs, etc. Need Android Auto app in /system
androplus.org
Thanks for this
Easier to root than vivo?
domineus said:
Thanks for this
Easier to root than vivo?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes, bootloader unlocking needs 168 hours to approval, but Xiaomi provides fastboot images so rooting is really easy.
You can even receive OTA after rooting.
AndroPlus said:
Yes, bootloader unlocking needs 168 hours to approval, but Xiaomi provides fastboot images so rooting is really easy.
You can even receive OTA after rooting.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Ha that is easy!
The x fold is still rooted but the process took a lot. I wish it was more like xiaomi but I also wish more developers had this device for rom porting and the like
AndroPlus said:
Xiaomi MIX Fold 2's pros compared to vivo X Fold:
Lightweight and thin, I even feel it's lighter than Xiaomi 12S Ultra
High performance, it was avg. 59.9fps with Genshin highest quality
No punch hole
Creases are even less noticeable
VoLTE is enabled by default and force-enable command works
Cons:
No flex mode, cannot be fixed at any angle
Wattage performance is a little poor in performance mode, maybe it's better on balanced mode
Easily heated, easily cooled
No punch hole camera, but illuminance sensor is visible in light reflection
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
So after looking at the Mix Fold 2, what do you think is the overall better device?
Which one would you prefer to use on a daily basis?
Also, how is the MIUI Fold interface compared to the very Chinese one of Vivo's Ocean OS?
will u check if mix fold 2 have call recording in call setting ?
Heard the news regarding Vivo launching a new model for X fold "S" this September
Source 1- https://www.gsmarena.com/new_vivo_f...ptember_with_the_name_x_fold_s-news-55448.php
Source 2 - https://www.gizmochina.com/2022/08/17/vivo-x-fold-s-foldable-smartphone-could-launch-september/
Share more info if you have regarding the OS, target market etc.
Vivo X Fold S promises speedy response to Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4
Vivo will be launching a swift response to the Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4 in the Vivo X Fold S, with three stand-out improvements
www.trustedreviews.com
More updates
Vivo X Fold S passes by 3C with Snapdragon 8+ Gen 1
Vivo's upcoming foldable smartphone refresh - the Vivo X Fold S passed by 3C certification with 80W fast charging.
www.gizchina.com
So far the X Fold is the best hardware foldable phone now and I will not upgrade until someone come out with better hardware but I do hope Vivo will release it global.
Candy_girl2008 said:
So far the X Fold is the best hardware foldable phone now and I will not upgrade until someone come out with better hardware but I do hope Vivo will release it global.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Best Hardware for sure! Unfortunately, the software part needs a lot of polish...
More updates
vivo X Fold+ photos published by MIIT, still no word on an official unveiling
The phone will bring upgraded hardware - Snapdragon 8+ Gen 1 and 80W fast charging - but not much is going on with the exterior.
www.gsmarena.com
Looks like its going to be released on 26th September in China.
It makes me wonder if it is china exclusive and also how is vivo going to support their older models? Checking the x70 pro + forums it isn't pretty.
I have my vivo x fold plus with me now. Delivered today. Testing.
Incredible looking, especially the red version I got.
Please tell us if there is any difference in software or significant improvements from the original x fold
Any Vivo X Fold + owners, how long does the battery last one charge?
Can't answer the question about differences from first one as never had it. Software wise they're all the same it seems, had the x 80 pro and x note before selling them.
This has better battery life than the x note did and that had a 5000mah battery! Really good wifi battery life and good cellular battery but not great. Like most phones I guess.
If you have the first I wouldn't bother get this one. Pointless. It's best fold phone for me though and I've had honor magic v, z fold 3 and 4, huawei fold, and xiaomi first folding phone
Can you please confirm if the VoLTE and Android Auto are working?
lawtq said:
Can't answer the question about differences from first one as never had it. Software wise they're all the same it seems, had the x 80 pro and x note before selling them.
This has better battery life than the x note did and that had a 5000mah battery! Really good wifi battery life and good cellular battery but not great. Like most phones I guess.
If you have the first I wouldn't bother get this one. Pointless. It's best fold phone for me though and I've had honor magic v, z fold 3 and 4, huawei fold, and xiaomi first folding phone
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Smartphoner said:
Can you please confirm if the VoLTE and Android Auto are working?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
VoLTE works for my EE uk sim but I've never used android auto
Google voice match not work
Hi,
Has anybody taught of porting the camera app from the S23 Ultra which uses the same main sensor as the Edge 30 Ultra?
Or imported something along the lines of that?
also xiaomi 13 pro has it but no news on porting that I know
While Moto Ultra 30 has the same 200mp camera
its just in pixel count but Moto Edge 30 ultra uses v1 sensor where as S23 ultra uses new sensor HP2
Moto Edge 30 Ultra - Samsung HP 1
Samsung S23 Ultra - Samsung HP 2
HP1 introduced in 2021
HP3 introduced in 2022
HP2 came this year
I thought it would be interesting to compare camera performance of these two beasts.
Found this review by Han.
Not so bad
maxel77 said:
Not so bad
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I have seen that video yesterday already and I think in the end it's all personal preference. Both phones have their pros and cons and I think in my case the 13u is the better deal.
After seeing many comparisons I see the photos and videos of the xiaomi too saturated wanting to imitate the iPhone and samsung
P6P said:
I have seen that video yesterday already and I think in the end it's all personal preference. Both phones have their pros and cons and I think in my case the 13u is the better deal.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
They are at the same level but Xiaomi 13 ultra has been launched 6-7 months later than Vivo which is a long time in this market. I suppose that when Vivo X100 Pro Plus will be launched in November It would be a better deal
maxel77 said:
They are at the same level but Xiaomi 13 ultra has been launched 6-7 months later than Vivo which is a long time in this market. I suppose that when Vivo X100 Pro Plus will be launched in November It would be a better deal
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No doubts the next vivo will have a better camera setup than the x90 pro plus. But if you look further Samsung will release their next flagship again in February 2024 which could be better than x100 pro plus. It's an endless loop and basically you can always wait and never buy. That's why I said it's personal preference.
maxel77 said:
They are at the same level but Xiaomi 13 ultra has been launched 6-7 months later than Vivo which is a long time in this market. I suppose that when Vivo X100 Pro Plus will be launched in November It would be a better deal
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
There is a good possibility for the x100pp to launch in Q1/Q2 2024. Similar to how Xiaomi did it with their 11,12 and 13 line up.
On color os china, on oppo x6 pro, do always on display show all notifications or just stock sms and missed calls (as on vivo originos)?
I would like to buy this device especially for its camera that I consider superior even to the Xiaomi Mi 13 ultra. I come from years of Xiaomi, with some problems but nothing serious and I have always unlocked, flashed rom of my liking and rooted. I thought it could be done also on Vivo but it seems not and then I do not know if it is convenient the X90 pp or the certainty of being able to do everything on the Mi 13 ultra...
if you're used to rooting forget Origin OS. It's a prison cage like iOS. Most of their huge settings menu is only related to functions 3rd party apps can do better anyhow like launcher or similar.
And removing apps with adb is getting more and more painful each software update. If you live outside Europa an import Xiaomi 13 Ultra is a no brainer vs Vivo. Also gcam support is much better on Xiaomi.
On stock camera the Vivo only has advantage in 2.2-4x zoom range and at night. The front camera of both sucks for the segment, but is even worse on Xiaomi. Especially the ultra wide is far superior on Xiamo 13Ultra.. However with Find X6 Pro at same price - I would always chose that one over the Vivo - and the software on the Oppo isn't as crappy as Vivo when it comes to dark mode/notifications (that will even get worse when vivo.pem cannot be removed anymore in future). At night except for main camera the Find X6 Pro is way above both others.
A good review of 2023 phones cameras is here (Vivo based on the beta firmware with Demo-X)
(pretty sure subtitles are coming soon) - and xiaobai is a lot more objective than most english youtubers that live in China.
Xiaomi 13 Ultra is the only Chinese phone that gets the preview quite okay, not as good as Iphone 14 Pro but much better than the rest of the market when it comes to lowlight or HDR.
Xiaomi 13 Ultra ultrawide is better than X90PP? Even with smaller sensor? Why?
(sorry, without subtitles I can't understand what is said in the video)
Look at the model number. At Sony the first number is about the positioning. Size of sensor isn't everything. The ultrawide on the vivo is a much cheaper sensor vs Xiaomi.
Yeah Sony claimed the sensor was improved despite being smaller, but sometimes that's just marketing nonsense. Glad to see that the IMX858 is actually good.
Another problem that the X90PP has is bad demosaicing while calculating the 12MP image from the 48/50MP quad-bayer raw data. That leads to "smushy" textures. Apple for example does this waaaaay better, GCam too. It's especially noticeable in combination with an ultra-wide lens.
I'm really looking forward to the subtitles!!
imx 598 is more or less a imx 586 - basically 5 year old tech. besides size and therefore not too bad at low light - it's really not a modern sensor anymore. it was back then mainly used as a main sensor for midrangers...
Cannot compete with a smaller but modern 858 or even less with the IMX 890 sensor on the Oppo Find X6 Pro (which is a 2022 mid range main sensor)
The video now has subtitles. BTW Huawei P60 Pro tiny bit ahead of Xiaomi 13 Ultra overall - Oppo a bit behind - and then Vivo, ahead of Honor and then Iphone is the conclusion.
The main problems for Vivo being the boring images (you see everything - suitable for beginners or pixel peeping - but not good for interesting pictures) - the low light abilties of the zoom lens (usually at night it uses main sensor up to 5x) and the ultrawide. Strong point for Vivo are portraits (best after Huawei) and lowlight on main lens. Vivo choses the easiest option of boosting pictures brightness overall - which gives images that do well in blind tests - but transport no athmosphere. The comparison is only about photo - not video. Otherwise Iphone wouldn't be last. And yeah this review isn't about front camera - because Iphone is way better there.
With Huawei a total no go without any kind of google services for most users and no 5G- the camera king right now is clearly Xiaomi 13 Ultra - especially as you can use a global OS - or even buy a global version with proper warrranty and the longest promised software support for chinese manufacturers right now - the software situation of course also applying to chinese version after unlock and flash of global OS (not xiaomi.eu which is based on Chinese OS). The Oppo is better than Vivo because of far superior ultrawide/zoom lens in the dark (but worse when zoomed over 5x). The Magic 5 Pro doesn't make too much sense anymore - as the Xiaomi 13 Ultra is now also available globally (or very soon). Iphone well - that's apples to oranges besides the camera. A proper macro mode of course also is missing from X90PP while Huawei/Xiaomi have one.
BTW in a newer video no subs yet - Xiaobai is not recommending Huawei P60 Pro for buying. Oppo Find X6 Pro is the 4500-6000RMB choice. Iphone 14 Pro Max, S23U, Xiaomi 13Ultra and X90Pro+ get the recommendation above 6000RMB (phones are categorized by list price - and while X90Pro+ is actually cheaper than Find X6 Pro and Xioami 13U - the list price of Find X6 Pro was cheaper). For Xiobai S23U is the best android phone besides the camera (and Samsung clearly doesn't pay him - Samsung has a difficult standing in China right now much more pricey than domestic brands, unlike Europe/USA where Samsung is cheaper than the global models of Chinese flagships)
BTW - the Xiaomi 13 Ultra manual F-Stop is still problematic for user experience. They need to work on it still. Huawei is much advanced there. It's pretty solid in rumors Vivo X100 Pro+ will get variable aperture too (but unknown if variable one like Huawei or 2 stops like Xiaomi)
Oh yeah and Xiaobai vs for example Hans Tech Talk is like take someone who is a world difference in objectiveness and professionalism. There's a good reason why Xiaobai is the undisputed most reknown smartphone camera reviewer in China (though his battery life review has no relevance at all except for gamers. )