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Hi all,
for starters, I know where the search-button is and I know how to read, I've read the stickies and most of the links, so no obvious remarks please
I'm having a hard time finding good threads to read about creating/editing/cooking roms, understanding what XIP/SYS files are, knowing how to strip/add programs,...
I've used keywords like: rom cooking, xip, how to, port, tut(orial), etc...
It only gives a gazillion answers and most of the time useless threads...
Once in a while it's worth reading, but most of the time it's junk or way to specific/difficult...
So the question is, could anyone link some usefull good threads/discussions/how-to's that they've read?
Maybe you could give it a rating yourself going from beginner/intermediate/pro...
Maybe such a condensed topic is already on the forums, then please do show me, since I didn't found it yet...
If you're first thought is "god, not again", then please, don't respond at all
Thanks for your time!
quinstar said:
If you're first thought is "god, not again", then please, don't respond at all
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Man, this thread is just below you as of this moment ....
Really nice cooking class for Blackstone, but very usable for Kovsky too!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=480714
jackleung said:
Man, this thread is just below you as of this moment ....
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Jack,it's not because of my low post count, that I'm just around here...
I've seen and read that post several times, I've dumped my own rom and downloaded others, I extracted them and started fiddling around, but that's all what I did, fiddling, since I don't really know what I'm doing...
For instance, I'm reading and seeing XIP everywhere, but I don't even understand what it stands for, I can't find (or don't use the right keywords) to find any decent info on it...
I found this great post of Ameet about porting XIP, but that's already about hardcore coding without the basic info I hoped to find... I'm just a beginner, that'll be stuff to read when I'm several months further...
It all starts with the saying, "give a man a fish and he can eat for a whole day. Learn him how to fish and he can eat a life-time.."
The post you refered to is great to learn how the kitchen works, great for learning how to use tools, but the action eventually only shows how to remove standard OEM stuff out of a rom. Nothing more...
Understanding the ins and outs of a rom, how it's build and why, how it's linked and what it does... That's where I think it starts, but that's what I can't find... If no-one ever wrote anything about it, then I will, but then I'll have to try and find bits of pieces of info everywhere... And that's why I posted the question. So people could at least point to some information they know where to find...
I've even seen and tried your work... It's great, but it's a full working, locked rom (at least, it doesn't break down using htainlin's info to the same files and folders as a stockrom does, or I'm using the wrong tools)... I can't see what you've done to make it that way... I can't open it to compare with something stock to see what has changed and conclude what your changes really do... I don't mind reverse engineering, I do have a brain I can use to figure things out..
Well, sorry for the rant, and if I somehow offended you, I didn't intend to, I just hope you now understand what I'm trying to accomplish
Thanks for all who even tried to read this
@Lokatho
Thanks! I've only read the index, but I already know I'll be busy reading that for a couple of hours...
quinstar said:
Jack,it's not because of my low post count, that I'm just around here...
I've seen and read that post several times, I've dumped my own rom and downloaded others, I extracted them and started fiddling around, but that's all what I did, fiddling, since I don't really know what I'm doing...
For instance, I'm reading and seeing XIP everywhere, but I don't even understand what it stands for, I can't find (or don't use the right keywords) to find any decent info on it...
I found this great post of Ameet about porting XIP, but that's already about hardcore coding without the basic info I hoped to find... I'm just a beginner, that'll be stuff to read when I'm several months further...
It all starts with the saying, "give a man a fish and he can eat for a whole day. Learn him how to fish and he can eat a life-time.."
The post you refered to is great to learn how the kitchen works, great for learning how to use tools, but the action eventually only shows how to remove standard OEM stuff out of a rom. Nothing more...
Understanding the ins and outs of a rom, how it's build and why, how it's linked and what it does... That's where I think it starts, but that's what I can't find... If no-one ever wrote anything about it, then I will, but then I'll have to try and find bits of pieces of info everywhere... And that's why I posted the question. So people could at least point to some information they know where to find...
I've even seen and tried your work... It's great, but it's a full working, locked rom (at least, it doesn't break down using htainlin's info to the same files and folders as a stockrom does, or I'm using the wrong tools)... I can't see what you've done to make it that way... I can't open it to compare with something stock to see what has changed and conclude what your changes really do... I don't mind reverse engineering, I do have a brain I can use to figure things out..
Well, sorry for the rant, and if I somehow offended you, I didn't intend to, I just hope you now understand what I'm trying to accomplish
Thanks for all who even tried to read this
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Well, I never judge xda member on their post count since I know some experts in this field maybe new to XDA-developers and some people w/ very high post count are keep on posting **** (e.g. someone in X1 general inventing 4D glasses and UI. )
Most kitchen (at least the one I pointed to) is just a Dos batch script to automated all the tedious command and parameters w/ all the needed tools. You can learn a lot of in and out if just you open it w/ a editor, follow the steps manually and research those tools individually.
If you really want to learning cooking in the hard way, I had a writeup long time back for Asus P525 which most of the steps still apply to any HTC rom nowaday.
All the documents for how to fish is here and we are still seeing people creating new threads for questions that been address millions time. This is a developers forum afterall and no one is responsible to feed you while your hands are free.
Regarding my rom, I never intend to lock it. Both V1 and V2 are extractable but rgu are removed due to space and speed considerateion. Afterall, the main purpose of a rom is for daily "use" instead of "teaching material". Why am I bother to slow my rom down just because I have to let others to extract it?
Jack,
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..., and if somehow I offended you, I didn't intend to,...
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This part was for the locking section you refer to
I already figured out a number of reasons why it would be "locked", and space-limiting was one of them... I definately understand your reasons and by no means am I complaining about it... It's just a pity I can't use such good material as a reference to study...
As for examining the tools, I was already wondering what they're all doing and what they're needed for... However I'm a bit cautious since I don't know how they work... This'll be a matter of trial-and-error...
I will definately have a look at what you've written, not that I'm keen on really wanting to learn it the hard way, but it might make it easier to understand the working of some of the tools...
About the fishing, you are right, no-one is obligated to give me anything. I was merely asking if some-one might remember a post they once read and found very usefull in understanding or learning the process of cooking...
As I already stated, I used the search-button and already found bits of information that I thought were a little usefull, but I'm having a hard time finding any good posts... The topic Lokatho refered to was a great link and gave me some good information and I've got some nice material to work and practice with... It would've taken me ages to find me or just dumb luck...
I'm keeping together all the links I used to read and learn and might paste them in a write-up once I think I've learned a fair bit
To finalise this reply, I understand your frustration, there will always be people who ask the most simple things on any forum, may it be ppc, car, house or anything related... Questions in here like, how do I have to flash your rom, what is hard-spl, why can't you make a 'insert langueage'-rom, reporting a "bug" that's been declared not a bug for several pages already... Those are the most annoying questions I've seen until now(just to name a few) and are really an indication those are posted by lazy people...
Cheers
Q
i just dont get this. i have been a member for 2 months and im just as lost as i was when i started. if i ask 1 of the people who know what to do they say search or gtfo. i search and end up more confused. the threads arent very friendly to a person just starting out like me. all of the language is written for people who already no what their doing. its not dumbed down at all. i think i will just use this site to download roms and themes since thats all i can seem to do
I am not trying to attack you or anything, but what is the purpose of this thread?
There are a lot of helpful people around here, maybe you aren't putting your questions in the Q&A thread? Or they aren't worded properly so people know how to assist you.... IDK.
Seeing as this is the only thread you have ever started here, I can't really say that it looks like you have posted much requesting help. I see one post where you were having problems flashing a new recovery image, but it looks like you probably just entered either the file name or path wrong. Or you didn't save the file in the root of your sdcard.
But, also, seeing as this is the XDA-Developers forum.... a certain level of knowledge seems to be expected by a lot of the members. I really don't see where anyone has told you to search or GTFO, in fact, I didn't really notice any responses to your posts.
If you want people to help you, post in the proper section and form coherent, explanatory questions.
jerzy448 said:
i just dont get this. i have been a member for 2 months and im just as lost as i was when i started. if i ask 1 of the people who know what to do they say search or gtfo. i search and end up more confused. the threads arent very friendly to a person just starting out like me. all of the language is written for people who already no what their doing. its not dumbed down at all. i think i will just use this site to download roms and themes since thats all i can seem to do
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I'm home sick today. What do you need help with. I'll help you out..
bhilgeman said:
I'm home sick today. What do you need help with. I'll help you out..
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See, another helpful person offering assistance..
This place isn't all that bad, now is it?
The issue is this I think...
Generally, you need to know something of what you are doing. The reasons are simple;
1) If things start to go wrong, you need to understand enough about the process to at least be able to follow instructions without them having to be written in a specific button-by-button manner,
2) People who blindly follow instructions are bound to miss a step or screw one up simply because they don't understand the instructions (this goes back to #1).
If you are a regular user of an android device, I suggest sticking with a stock build -- they are meant for people who know nothing about the platform. If you are an advanced user, you should be able to get the "gist" of things and fill in the blanks where necessary.
I'm not telling you to gtfo, what I'm telling you is that you really need to think about YOUR level of understanding of how things happen. If you aren't advanced enough to be able to fill in a few blanks here and there, then you might want to think about what you are doing, which is essentially putting a fairly expensive piece of technology into the hands of people you don't know and have no reason to trust. You also have to realize that the instructions that you get from here don't go through months of QA to verify that they are perfectly correct with no chance of, for example, bricking your phone. It is very possible that you could see a bunch of instructions that tell you what to do, but that the author maybe accidentally forgot to include a critical step, and it is absolutely UP TO YOU to be able to see that there is a missing step.
I concur. I have had numerous people ask me for help rooting their g1's. Some I help because they are computer literate and have hacked or altered software on other platforms and hardware. Those that have asked that still need help when basic things go wrong in a windows platform, I say no and tell them to enjoy their Android phone. If they are willing to dive in and learn, my offer may change down the road
What do you need help with?
Ive been reading and browsing these forums for a little bit now and using the various NC roms and kernals.So I thought I would make my first actual post by saying thank you to all the devs for your hard work and releasing your work on here for everyone else to use for free.I and many others get alot of enjoyment out of what you guys do to make all our cool little android devices even cooler.THANK YOU SO MUCH.
Drgonzoe said:
Ive been reading and browsing these forums for a little bit now and using the various NC roms and kernals.So I thought I would make my first actual post by saying thank you to all the devs for your hard work and releasing your work on here for everyone else to use for free.I and many others get alot of enjoyment out of what you guys do to make all our cool little android devices even cooler.THANK YOU SO MUCH.
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I would just like to add my Dido's to that.
Hello!
May its sounds strange, but any idea where to start learn these things? I reading XDA, which is great, but there is any documentation or other website, which can help in this case?
Worked already with linux, yesterday compiled my first kernel. But interested in adding new mods and other sweets to my kernel.
Please dont say those noobies answers "If you dont know these, you shouldn't probably go into it.."
Everybody started somewhere, i just need to learn, thats all. But cant find noone, who can give me the basics.
Thanks for suggestions, etc.
Sincerely, Marcell
sqpp said:
Hello!
May its sounds strange, but any idea where to start learn these things? I reading XDA, which is great, but there is any documentation or other website, which can help in this case?
Worked already with linux, yesterday compiled my first kernel. But interested in adding new mods and other sweets to my kernel.
Please dont say those noobies answers "If you dont know these, you shouldn't probably go into it.."
Everybody started somewhere, i just need to learn, thats all. But cant find noone, who can give me the basics.
Thanks for suggestions, etc.
Sincerely, Marcell
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I +1 this :good:
sqpp said:
Hello!
May its sounds strange, but any idea where to start learn these things? I reading XDA, which is great, but there is any documentation or other website, which can help in this case?
Worked already with linux, yesterday compiled my first kernel. But interested in adding new mods and other sweets to my kernel.
Please dont say those noobies answers "If you dont know these, you shouldn't probably go into it.."
Everybody started somewhere, i just need to learn, thats all. But cant find noone, who can give me the basics.
Thanks for suggestions, etc.
Sincerely, Marcell
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im not sure of the guides that helped me at the moment, but i personally googled it and found stuff. then i looked at other devs githubs, and started my own, then started cherry-picking and attempted numerous times to build the kernel. but id just google for guides on how to build android kernel for whatever phone you have (I'm going to guess it's the nexus 6). that should be a good starting point for you. sorry i couldn't exactly help more.
All kinds of guides and informative threads on developing here,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/chef-central/android
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Darth said:
All kinds of guides and informative threads on developing here,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/chef-central/android
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Huge thanks! SuperR's kitchen is amazing.
Darth said:
All kinds of guides and informative threads on developing here,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/chef-central/android
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Thats nice, but i talking about kernel. not ROM.
sqpp said:
Thats nice, but i talking about kernel. not ROM.
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Chef central covers all kinds of development. Just need to invest the time to research and learn. There's no easy or quick answers that are going to help.
Darth said:
Chef central covers all kinds of development. Just need to invest the time to research and learn. There's no easy or quick answers that are going to help.
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I understand, however it's still not helps.. I understand need to improve my skills a lot, but how an already written application helps me, which do every tasks for me.
I want to learn building by myself.
sqpp said:
I understand, however it's still not helps.. I understand need to improve my skills a lot, but how an already written application helps me, which do every tasks for me.
I want to learn building by myself.
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Well, you can start with the basics, or jump right into it compiling from scratch. Though many of those tools are designed to help compile and build. You should be reading about each one. But what I'm trying to get across, is that there are multiple guides and tutorials for doing this, many of which are in the Chef Central Android section. Did you read through anything in the section I linked?
Or you can search XDA on "kernel building". Or search google on "kernel building" and add on "XDA" in your search for more XDA results.
Otherwise, I'm not sure the point of this thread? No one is going to walk you through it from beginning to end here in this thread, when there are multiple, and very long guides already out there that took people hours to create.
If you are going to get into this, you'll be researching and reading for many hours before you start a thing. And you'll need patience and have to be ready to do lots and lots of homework. :good:
Good luck and let us know how it goes.
I already built kernel some days ago, even yesterday. I would interested about customization, adding more features, but still there is nothing about it. Because what you linked is for building ROMs and NOT kernels. You know they are totally different. Even tried to search in Google, only found about adding grovenors, but nothing else.
sqpp said:
I already built kernel some days ago, even yesterday. I would interested about customization, adding more features, but still there is nothing about it. Because what you linked is for building ROMs and NOT kernels. You know they are totally different. Even tried to search in Google, only found about adding grovenors, but nothing else.
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Sir, there are kernel guides in Chef Central. (and some are withing the complete rom guides. Or at least have links to kernel resources) But, if they don't suit your needs, again, I would search XDA on "kernel building". There are many guides throughout the site that I find when I do that.
Pick one that you like and that is active with questions and answers in them, and perhaps try asking in one of those. That's where you'll find the experts.
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Edit: Hopefully this link will work, http://forum.xda-developers.com/sitesearch.php?q=Kernel building
That will lead you to lots of information.
My name is Dustin, from texas. I used to mess around with phone and computers when I was growing up. Things have come a long long way since then. So I'm trying to pick back up my old hobby of building phones, but now I'm wanting to go further and learn the whole programming side of it. I know a little, basically what I've researched online, which some of it I found useful, some of it not. I have lots of questions and a lot of junk phones. I am wanting to learn everything I can because I enjoy this. So if I sound silly trying to explain or ask please forgive me thank yall for having me.
dctalk06 said:
My name is Dustin, from texas. I used to mess around with phone and computers when I was growing up. Things have come a long long way since then. So I'm trying to pick back up my old hobby of building phones, but now I'm wanting to go further and learn the whole programming side of it. I know a little, basically what I've researched online, which some of it I found useful, some of it not. I have lots of questions and a lot of junk phones. I am wanting to learn everything I can because I enjoy this. So if I sound silly trying to explain or ask please forgive me thank yall for having me.
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You came to the right place, welcome to XDA!
So where would I ask the many random questions that I have