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OK, I know battery life is always an issue with PDA phones. I'm never far from a charger. I'm fine as long as I'm just checking e-mail (4 accounts, once an hour) and a little light web surfing with Opera Mini.
The problem arises when I use my phone as...well...a phone.
My Tilt loses battery power at an alarming rate when I'm talking on the phone. A 20 minute conversation will easily cost me 40% of my battery.
I'm usually in a non-3G area, so I'm on Edge. I normally have a good, strong 4-bar signal. Even when I'm in a 3G area, I use a different comm manager to turn off 3G to conserve power. I use KaiserTweak and select all the "Advised" settings in the power-related sections.
I've tried several different radios, but haven't noticed an improvement.
Does anyone have any ideas or recommendations on improving the efficiency of my Tilt in phone mode?
I have the same problem.
I have 3 batteries. 2 Samsungs and 1 Dynapak. Each battery lasts about 3 hours in standby. The phone is always warm as well. I have a utility that shows the phone is running around 380mAh current. That's seems pretty high.
I think theres something seriously wrong with certain batches of these phones.
these phones r seriously poor for battery life.. i love the htc but they slowly being overttaken by other phones.. shame!
maybe depends on the battery and ROM/radio because my Kaiser lasts 1 gay of VERY heavy usage+calling, and in stand by can lasts 6 days at least.
profusion said:
maybe depends on the battery and ROM/radio because my Kaiser lasts 1 gay of VERY heavy usage+calling, and in stand by can lasts 6 days at least.
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Really??
So, what battery are you using? Which ROM? Which radio?
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maybe depends on the battery and ROM/radio because my Kaiser lasts 1 day of VERY heavy usage+calling, and in stand by can lasts 6 days at least.
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mine too or maybe more. Normally I charge every 2 days.
Seriously though, hasn't this topic been beat to death with a stylus?
Ask youself this, how is your battery and what all is running on the phone?
If the battery is a year old then just accept that it's shelf life is over with. If your phone is always warm that would general mean that one of the radios is running, Wifi , data, gps? If any of those are running all of the time or when you are not using it, then your draining the battery.
I have a friend that beat himself up trying to figure out why his battery would drain so fast, he reflashed the phone 3 times a day etc etc etc. He just could not accept that it was a crappy battery. I got another (used battery) and it worked fine.
ChumleyEX said:
mine too or maybe more. Normally I charge every 2 days.
Seriously though, hasn't this topic been beat to death with a stylus?
Ask youself this, how is your battery and what all is running on the phone?
If the battery is a year old then just accept that it's shelf life is over with. If your phone is always warm that would general mean that one of the radios is running, Wifi , data, gps? If any of those are running all of the time or when you are not using it, then your draining the battery.
I have a friend that beat himself up trying to figure out why his battery would drain so fast, he reflashed the phone 3 times a day etc etc etc. He just could not accept that it was a crappy battery. I got another (used battery) and it worked fine.
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Me too used to get about 2 days with a 2700 that is being registered correctly, i now tell everyone to not phone me "well they don't listen just like no one does" so i block all incoming calls with MagiCall, to what point do i have a phone now? To flash & twaek and text
"Am kinda joking but my stylus is now half the size due to this topic"
Buy a new battery.
I don't dig long phone calls unless there is something going on. Too many people just want to hang out on the phone and say nothing.
ChumleyEX said:
Buy a new battery.
I don't dig long phone calls unless there is something going on. Too many people just want to hang out on the phone and say nothing.
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Mine is a new battery Have to say same about people talking about nothing.
"The loss of battery was due to phonecall and radio i'm not moaning either i expect the battery life to not be perfect on any WM phone"
Well yeah radio version help too.
ChumleyEX said:
mine too or maybe more. Normally I charge every 2 days.
Seriously though, hasn't this topic been beat to death with a stylus?
Ask youself this, how is your battery and what all is running on the phone?
If the battery is a year old then just accept that it's shelf life is over with. If your phone is always warm that would general mean that one of the radios is running, Wifi , data, gps? If any of those are running all of the time or when you are not using it, then your draining the battery.
I have a friend that beat himself up trying to figure out why his battery would drain so fast, he reflashed the phone 3 times a day etc etc etc. He just could not accept that it was a crappy battery. I got another (used battery) and it worked fine.
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This isn't my first foray into these HTC devices. I've been using them for nearly 2 years now, and I know the battery life on these devices isn't what it is on something like my old RAZR. I'm just fine with that; since the Tilt does so much more, I don't expect the charge to last a week like my RAZR did. But this drain while using the phone is driving me nuts.
FYI, I know to keep WiFi and GPS off, and to use KaiserTweak to shut down data connections when they're not being used. If I don't use the phone or surf, the battery will easily last me 2 days, and that's with checking 4 e-mail accounts every hour, and with SBSH PocketWeather getting updates every 2 hours. But talk on the phone, and it's a different story. I talked to my wife for about 30 minutes last night and went from 80% to 20% battery level.
The battery is only about 7-8 months old. Still, I ordered a new 1600ma battery last week, and it should be here in a day or two. I'm hoping that solves the problem.
It's possible that the battery you have now is under warranty. (if you bought the phone new)
good luck.
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It's possible that the battery you have now is under warranty. (if you bought the phone new)
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Unfortunately, it was a refurb, and the warranty expired a long time ago. The new battery wasn't exactly a budget killer.
Well my battery seems to be working now.
Phone is no longer hot all the time, and my utility says I'm using between 1 and 64 mA. That's much better than the 350+ mA it was sucking before.
I didn't do a damn thing different either. Didn't change any settings for the radios, didn't reflash, etc..
Some people think that the GPS get's stuck in the "on" position and there's no way to turn it off, short of opening and closing GPS Aware programs repeatedly until your current usage drops in the sub 100 mA range.
Always discharge your battery fully as possible at least 1 a week to ensure your battery last longer, lots of charges above the threshold will diminish your batteries life and capacity. The Kaiser is a powerful device and it is obvious to anyone that this requires power to run it, so the battery wont last for days. :-(
tinmanjo said:
Always discharge your battery fully as possible at least 1 a week to ensure your battery last longer, lots of charges above the threshold will diminish your batteries life and capacity. The Kaiser is a powerful device and it is obvious to anyone that this requires power to run it, so the battery wont last for days. :-(
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HUH???????
These are Lithium batteries, we aren't in the 90's anymore buddy.. My phone lasts for at least 2 days and sometimes 3 (the phone is over a year old too)..
Welcome to the year 2009
"1. Battery Memory - When I first got my new cellphone, my friend recommended to fully drain the battery before recharging it. His reasoning was connected to the idea of battery memory. Allowing the battery to fully discharge then recharging to max, supposedly gives you the complete battery capacity. Otherwise, if you simply charged from the half way point to max battery capacity, the battery would treat the half way point as the empty point, thus cutting your battery capacity in half.
Problem is battery memory doesn’t apply to Lithium batteries, this advice was meant for Nickel based batteries. Fully discharging your Lithium battery frequently can actually be quite harmful to your battery’s health, possibly rendering it completely unusable if energy levels go too low.
The good news is today’s lithium batteries have a safety circuit in place to insure the battery doesn’t reach the point of no return. The safety circuit isn’t fool proof of course, if you leave your battery completely drained for a few days, even the circuit’s protective measures won’t save it.
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INFACT it's recommended to leave a little bit of a charge before charging or storing.
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Be that as it may, when you get a new battery you still have to use it for a few weeks before the phone reports battery levels accurately. The phone may still shut down when WM thinks it's almost empty, regardless if it's actually empty or not. Just try it, battery life improves over the first few weeks of usage, and your battery level readings will get more stable (instead of dropping to 50% in 10 minutes and then proceeding to stay there for 6 hours).
BTW my kaiser lasts about 3 days as well, with fairly heavy usage.
No fair, I want a bazillion stars next to my name too.
I Think this guy has had the phone and battery for a little while, so the few weeks thing might not be an option. (well at least the battery he was posting about)
HUH???????
These are Lithium batteries, we aren't in the 90's anymore buddy.. My phone lasts for at least 2 days and sometimes 3 (the phone is over a year old too)..
Welcome to the year 2009
"1. Battery Memory - When I first got my new cellphone, my friend recommended to fully drain the battery before recharging it. His reasoning was connected to the idea of battery memory. Allowing the battery to fully discharge then recharging to max, supposedly gives you the complete battery capacity. Otherwise, if you simply charged from the half way point to max battery capacity, the battery would treat the half way point as the empty point, thus cutting your battery capacity in half.
Problem is battery memory doesn’t apply to Lithium batteries, this advice was meant for Nickel based batteries. Fully discharging your Lithium battery frequently can actually be quite harmful to your battery’s health, possibly rendering it completely unusable if energy levels go too low.
The good news is today’s lithium batteries have a safety circuit in place to insure the battery doesn’t reach the point of no return. The safety circuit isn’t fool proof of course, if you leave your battery completely drained for a few days, even the circuit’s protective measures won’t save it.
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INFACT it's recommended to leave a little bit of a charge before charging or storing.
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As refered to your reply, i didnt mean discharge fully completely i meant the cut off point would stop you anyhow, i meant to bring it to about 10%, i found that using the battery until it reaches 10-12% far by decreases battery drain when it is fully charged again, this is only 1 in a while though not frequently. I understand lithuim-ion doesnt have a memory effect problem, but there is such thing as variable current influencing different cells which can either benefit or make it worst, there is a lot of debate as to whether this improves it or not.
Great tip, keep it cool and away from your pocket pants because heat kills it.
Dude thats no fun to keep it out of your pocket,
So I got my phone when it came out. Wrap charged at home and slow charged(2.1amp) in car. A year plus later accubattery says I've degraded 12% about, about same when I had my Samsung Galaxy s8 plus
Just wait for at least 20-30k mAh total charge at first I started with different values, now, after +80k, i got this.
I think we can keep it until something like 80%, I mean, it is like if you could charge your phone to only the % accubattery shows, if you get for example, 90%, you can only use a real 90% of your full charge, I get 35m sot with 10%, so I lost aprox 40-45m sot due to degradation.
Don't worry, Android 11 could get better battery life.
So your about same, I had about 88,000 % but I just installed RR rom. I also noticed after 90% it takes a lot longer to charge, I know after 90 it's not the full wrap charge speed but it takes like 20 mins or so to get 100
Funny....I just installed AccuBattery a few days ago to measure the same thing. I got my phone in March 2009, and attached are my stats.
March 2009? What phone is this? The very first HTC Google phone? If so, are you willing to sell this phone? 11 years and only 12% degradation...that's phenomenal.
On a different note, I really don't thing the battery design capacity is true to it's word. I recently changed my battery to a new one and it was starting at 96%. It's all a farce
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March 2009? What phone is this? The very first HTC Google phone? If so, are you willing to sell this phone? 11 years and only 12% degradation...that's phenomenal.
On a different note, I really don't thing the battery design capacity is true to it's word. I recently changed my battery to a new one and it was starting at 96%. It's all a farce
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You know....I was trying for a snappy comeback for my typo, but I realized that I messed up the year AND the month. I got the phone in September 2019. Please don't ask about March. Not sure what I was thinking there.
AarSyl said:
You know....I was trying for a snappy comeback for my typo, but I realized that I messed up the year AND the month. I got the phone in September 2019. Please don't ask about March. Not sure what I was thinking there.
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Hahahah..no worries comrade! All good and dandy...hope the COVID situation there is getting better! Stay safe.
amirage said:
March 2009? What phone is this? The very first HTC Google phone? If so, are you willing to sell this phone? 11 years and only 12% degradation...that's phenomenal.
On a different note, I really don't thing the battery design capacity is true to it's word. I recently changed my battery to a new one and it was starting at 96%. It's all a farce
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I believe it is possible that OnePlus pre-caps charging to 80% or so of the battery's full, true capacity to prevent fast degredation, then uses software to calculate percentage with 100% being 80%. If this were the case, it would explain people using AccuBattery seeing degredation almost consistently at like 10-15% - because the phone simply won't charge that far, so the mAH additions from charging just don't add up to 4000mAH.
To add, this isn't a bad thing at all. This isn't false advertising or anything, as this would be a feature done to prevent batteries from degrading at rapid speeds.
I don't have any proof this is the case, though. Just makes sense to me. I do recommend only using the warp charger to top off during the day, and charging with a regular usb-c charger otherwise, as the warp charging speed is actually bad for the battery life in the long run.
It is fact, though, that charging from 80 to 100% requires significantly more voltage (iirc) than the previous percentages. Think of it like trying to fill a jar to it's limits - as you put more in, you have to shove things in harder and harder , until its mostly full, where putting any more in is getting difficult as there's hardly any room left. This is obviously terrible for not only the battery but also the charging port and the like.
Well after a year you can't expect it to be like brand new. Worrying to much over little things that don't matter to actual life..,.
Ruvaldak said:
I believe it is possible that OnePlus pre-caps charging to 80% or so of the battery's full, true capacity to prevent fast degredation, then uses software to calculate percentage with 100% being 80%. If this were the case, it would explain people using AccuBattery seeing degredation almost consistently at like 10-15% - because the phone simply won't charge that far, so the mAH additions from charging just don't add up to 4000mAH.
To add, this isn't a bad thing at all. This isn't false advertising or anything, as this would be a feature done to prevent batteries from degrading at rapid speeds.
I don't have any proof this is the case, though. Just makes sense to me. I do recommend only using the warp charger to top off during the day, and charging with a regular usb-c charger otherwise, as the warp charging speed is actually bad for the battery life in the long run.
It is fact, though, that charging from 80 to 100% requires significantly more voltage (iirc) than the previous percentages. Think of it like trying to fill a jar to it's limits - as you put more in, you have to shove things in harder and harder , until its mostly full, where putting any more in is getting difficult as there's hardly any room left. This is obviously terrible for not only the battery but also the charging port and the like.
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All your points are very valid although my contention is not that. It's that a brand new battery (so brand new that it was installed at the service centre) had a life of 96%. This was shown in the oneplus diagnostic app; so where really is the 4000 mAh when a brand new itself starts at 96%
I suspect accubattery is not so accurate. Sure he can do some math to guess the actual capacity but who knows how close it is to the real thing.
One thing here: the battery is considered discharged at around 3.3 volts. This is just to protect the battery, but also it's around 5-7% capacity I'd say. Full discharge for li-ion is around 2.8-3.0 volts, but it's bad to discharge it that much.
So in conclusion, even though your battery has 4000mah, you never get to use it at it's maximum rating because that would damage the battery and render it useless in far less charge cycles than normal.
I would say a better measure is the OnePlus diagnostic app... It lists the degree of degradation under its output
Well I did accubattery when I first got phone, and it showed 3900. Ubreakifix tear down then confirmed that was the actual capicity because in the USA you are allowed to round just like diet should have no sugar but there is zero. What really makes you notice the Degradation is when fast charging takes longer to 100
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Well I did accubattery when I first got phone, and it showed 3900. Ubreakifix tear down then confirmed that was the actual capicity because in the USA you are allowed to round just like diet should have no sugar but there is zero. What really makes you notice the Degradation is when fast charging takes longer to 100
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So the opposite of what you said is true. A battery with a larger capacity or less degradation takes longer to charge to 100% because the kernel and software slows down the charge for the last 10-15%. The less capacity you have the less time it takes to hit "100".
I know the charge slows down after 80%, the closer to 100 the slower. When phone was new it took like 10 to 15 mins later to go from 90 to 100. Now it's taking 15 mins to go from 92 to 95. Having note 5 previously the next Degradation step is when over all charging takes even longer and the battery life is shorter
I don't even worry about battery degradation. I put a wireless receiver on my OnePlus and have wireless charging everywhere. My phone is always around 80 to 100 percent.
I'm a heavy phone user and using accubattery on this phone for a long time now. Got my phone in June 2019 and based on 636 sessions, it shows battery health at 90%. Probably because
1. I haven't charged my phone more than 80% for about 70% of sessions.
2. Because of the large data AB has, it has more accurate estimate.
3. I read that the health section itself is not accurate.
Here's mine (got it second hand in March 2020)
Should I be concerned? I just got the phone back in March new from TMobile
Mine is 10. It's always 10 hours Every samsung device I have ever owned has gone done 10% an hour. From my first note to this device ! Are people getting longer?? I'm not talking about screen on time. ...
Assuming you have the Snapdragon variant. Exynos = 7/8 hours... still pretty impressive.
Mine says 2d 2hr. I never come close to using that, I typically don't charge it past 75%, nor let it get below 40%.
13 hours
One day, 14 hours.
Will that happen? Maybe in the land of pixies and rainbows. In real life, if I unplug my phone at 8am then when I go to bed around 11pm the charge is usually around 55-50%. That yields an actual time of around 30 hours (so, 1d 6h) which is actually not *that* far off from the estimate.
I spend all my time near wifi routers so that might help. If I use my phone a fair bit it'll be at 50% by bed. If I don't use it as much I can go through the whole day and still be in the 70's.
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Mine says 2d 2hr. I never come close to using that, I typically don't charge it past 75%, nor let it get below 40%.
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It's of course your choice to do so. I don't think being so conservative is necessary. I do a lot of work with electric vehicles and really most manufacturers are intentionally making 0% and 100% not the actual theoretical maximums. 0% for a lithium cell is right around 2-2.5v. It's very unlikely that the phone lets you get there. I'd imagine 0% is really being set somewhere around 2.8v. Likewise for 100%. If they have any common sense at all it's not being set to 4.2v fully charged but rather around 4V. Keeping a lithium cell between 2.8v and 4V doesn't hurt it. It's going much past that gets dangerous. Heat is not good for batteries, cold is REALLY not good for batteries. I have to believe that the phone won't let you charge it if it is too hot or cold. Terrible things happen to freezing cold batteries if you charge them. Of course, charging them too hot leads to a nice side effect if you were too cold or wanted a new house. So, I would say that temperature is one of the biggest considerations for battery life. If you can keep the battery right around room temperature always then it'll last.
But, I am curious. Has anyone taken voltage readings of the battery at full charge and low charge to see where the voltages are at? That might be interesting to see. I'll try to remember to check that.
Edit: looks like the cell chemistry for this phone is way different from what I'm used to in cars. Way higher upper voltage. Interesting. Still curious about the limits.
19 hours and 6 minutes. Interestingly enough, yesterday it was 20.5 hours. So it seems to be constantly changing.
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It's of course your choice to do so. I don't think being so conservative is necessary.
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Of course it's not necessary, but tests have shown that batteries last longer with frequent, shallower charges around the middle of their range. I have a charging pad on my desk at work, and at home. It's trivial to occassionally move it on/off the pad. On the rare occasion where I expect I might need a full charge I'll do it, but no sense in charging it up all the way when it's not necessary.
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Mine is 1d 17h. Pretty happy with the battery life so far!
Wow. I'm always at 10 hours. Wonder what I'm doing wrong
Think it's pretty nice
This
1 day and 6 hours. Exynos WQHD 120Hz, no AOD.
My S21 Ultra Exynos lasts about 1 day and a half (36 hours) with aod always on and synced to my watch.
22 hours, 21 mins (Ex)
Exynos.
Disconnect at 07:30 am with 100% and can go until I finish work and then some with some battery. I think I get about 10-12 hours and get to 20%
Fluctuates between 24-30 hours
Exynos
2d 2h, Exynos, 120Hz, no AOD. Now im at 39% on day 3. So 3 standard workdays is pretty nice if you ask me. My old S9+ got me over 2 days with one charge safely.
1d6h. Exynos S21 Ultra with 120hz
What do you guys do with your devices that allows them to last such a long time? I'm done in 10 hours every day! Perhaps it's my email?
Hey, got a weird issue with my device.
Just 4 years old piece and already this has a dead battery!!! Cannot use it anymore basically... drains overnight on airplane mode from 75-80% to 0 in 7 hours!!! Last night I left it fully charged and shut down just to not starting anymore this morning because there is no power left, battery is EMPTY!!! Just barely started to charge!!! Something is wrong with this phone, really wrong!!!
I tried custom roms but the phone has the same behavior... so I came back to MIUI 12.5 just to be in the same position and to have the same conclusion: I HAVE A DEAD BATTERY!!!
I went back to my old Redmi Note 5 Pro with a custom rom... just like knew. How is this even possible??? An older device, with same amount of use have a better battery life than a newer device??? Different battery manufacturer, some production flaw in the battery production? Either way, conclusion is clear: NEW BATTERY... so, so disappointed by this situation...
Batteries get old and die , you have to change it , or maybe there is a short circuit on the motherboard , best option is to take it to a repair shop
I know.
But I found out that in fact my phone is only 2 years and 3 months old??? So, is this battery old enough to die? I guess there is something else here.
In the meantime, I already change the battery, sadly not with an original one... and so far so good, but only a few days passed. This battery however is acting strange! Does not charge more than 86%. Aida64 reports battery full at this precent... but I guess time will tell if I made a bad/ good choice.
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I know.
But I found out that in fact my phone is only 2 years and 3 months old??? So, is this battery old enough to die? I guess there is something else here.
In the meantime, I already change the battery, sadly not with an original one... and so far so good, but only a few days passed. This battery however is acting strange! Does not charge more than 86%. Aida64 reports battery full at this precent... but I guess time will tell if I made a bad/ good choice.
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encounter the same problem after 4 years of using redmi note 8 battery drains so fast unlike before and changing the battery to a new one it either does not fully charges it to 100 percent and it shutdown when my battery percent is around 20 or so percent but when I try to connect a charge and remove it, it will open up to that 20% or so percentage and continue to be used, I'm guessing the it need a battery calibration but I know really know what to follow on the internet.
Hello, I've had my p30 pro for almost 4 years and the battery life has obviously degraded over time, but as of 3 days ago it only lasts about 4 to 5 hours. Nothing has changed on my phone, and it easily lasted a full day before this.
I'm going to get a new battery out in as I think that's probably the issue, but thought I'd post here to see if it could be something else as it happened all of a sudden which I find odd.
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Phone battery doesn't last longer. It will degraded as it gets older. Change the battery it might be good to go.
Ya 98% sure that's it, I'm going to bring it in tomorrow for a new battery, just weird that it went form lasting around 12 hours to pretty much 4 overnight. I've never had a battery degrade so rapidly before. Would just suck to spend $100 that could go towards a new phone on a battery if that's not it.
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Ya 98% sure that's it, I'm going to bring it in tomorrow for a new battery, just weird that it went form lasting around 12 hours to pretty much 4 overnight. I've never had a battery degrade so rapidly before. Would just suck to spend $100 that could go towards a new phone on a battery if that's not it.
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Maybe try to do hard reset, and try using it for time being. If the issue still persist, changing the battery it's the only option
That's actually a great idea, didn't even think about that.
Thanks for the help.