I bought a Samsung S23+ a week ago. I'm really like it. It's a significant improvement over my old S10.
However, sometimes when I open an app, it immediately closes. It just goes away. No error message, it just disappears. However, tapping on it again brings it up. It isn't consistent which app suddenly closes; it just does. And sometimes it's a major feature of Android, such as Messages. A few times I've tapped on Messages, it starts to come up, then closes immediately. But why does it do that? Is there anything I can do to stop it?
You do a clean load or use SmartSwitch?
Clear system cache.
blackhawk said:
You do a clean load or use SmartSwitch?
Clear system cache.
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I'm sorry, I don't follow you. What do you mean by "clean load" and what's a "SmartSwitch"? What I have done is tried to open an app, like Messages, to have the app initially open, but the immediately close. Not always and not the same app.
And how do I clear the system cache?
Rod F said:
I'm sorry, I don't follow you. What do you mean by "clean load" and what's a "SmartSwitch"? What I have done is tried to open an app, like Messages, to have the app initially open, but the immediately close. Not always and not the same app.
And how do I clear the system cache?
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I think by "clean load" he means booting up the phone and not restoring any previous backup from google or from the samsung account. Smartswitch is a samsung app that allows you to copy the data from one phone to another. It tends to cause some issues, or carry on issues from the previous smartphones.
I recently traded my N20U for a S23 and used smart switch for i didn't have all my stuff backed up. the phone was overheating and the battery was draining hella fast. I did a clean load and everything is fine; except for this problem of apps closing all of the sudden. Clean loading didn't fixed it for me.
To clear the system cache you have to enter the recovery mode by shutting down your phone and pressing power + volume up until it boots and goes into the recovery mode. From there you can delete the cache. I will try it later and report back.
Today i have received the prompt for the february update, but i am still on january patch.
guile50 said:
I think by "clean load" he means booting up the phone and not restoring any previous backup from google or from the samsung account. Smartswitch is a samsung app that allows you to copy the data from one phone to another. It tends to cause some issues, or carry on issues from the previous smartphones.
I recently traded my N20U for a S23 and used smart switch for i didn't have all my stuff backed up. the phone was overheating and the battery was draining hella fast. I did a clean load and everything is fine; except for this problem of apps closing all of the sudden. Clean loading didn't fixed it for me.
To clear the system cache you have to enter the recovery mode by shutting down your phone and pressing power + volume up until it boots and goes into the recovery mode. From there you can delete the cache. I will try it later and report back.
Today i have received the prompt for the february update, but i am still on january patch.
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Exactly.
Which apps are acting up?
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Exactly.
Which apps are acting up?
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Telegram, GBwhatsapp and twitter are very frequent. Once and a while a random app crashes, but happens twice a day at most. IK GB is a modded app but it and none of the other apps displayed this behaviour on my previous phones.
guile50 said:
Telegram, GBwhatsapp and twitter are very frequent. Once and a while a random app crashes, but happens twice a day at most. IK GB is a modded app but it and none of the other apps displayed this behaviour on my previous phones.
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Ditch them; no social media or sales apps should ever be installed. Multi vector security risks and resource hogs. If you must use them login through a secure browser like Brave only. They simply aren't worth all the trouble they will cause.
Instead of Telegram try the Samsung messaging app. The Samsung app runs well for me, no issues. Not the solution you probably wanted but time to take out the trash... it's stinking up the place.
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Ditch them; no social media or sales apps should ever be installed. Multi vector security risks and resource hogs. If you must use them login through a secure browser like Brave only. They simply aren't worth all the trouble they will cause.
Instead of Telegram try the Samsung messaging app. The Samsung app runs well for me, no issues. Not the solution you probably wanted but time to take out the trash... it's stinking up the place.
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While i do understand and agree on the resource and security aspect, and shoulda' coulda' woulda' stopped using them, as i have done in the past and still do to this day with some of them, for a few reasons i need to be using some socials nowadays, and have done so for a few years without much hassle until this phone came in. If i could have ditched them, I wouldn't have come to a forum to figure out a way to fix the issue.
But I'll check how functional the web version of some of my socials work on mobile, for it's been a while i haven't used them and they used to lack functions.
guile50 said:
While i do understand and agree on the resource and security aspect, and shoulda' coulda' woulda' stopped using them, as i have done in the past and still do to this day with some of them, for a few reasons i need to be using some socials nowadays, and have done so for a few years without much hassle until this phone came in. If i could have ditched them, I wouldn't have come to a forum to figure out a way to fix the issue.
But I'll check how functional the web version of some of my socials work on mobile, for it's been a while i haven't used them and they used to lack functions.
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They tend to be a mess. They probably aren't up to date with the latest Android version or Samsung has some glitches with their new firmware. One reason I don't upgrade firmware or update apps is because the phone is running well. In your case perhaps it's going the be a game of upgrade/update roulette.
Is power management active? Any disabled apps or services? Setting changes to system apps? Is a firewall installed? In Accessibility are there any services installed for those apps? For Android 11 and higher there maybe more settings... Samsung's notorious for burying them.
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They tend to be a mess. They probably aren't up to date with the latest Android version or Samsung has some glitches with their new firmware. One reason I don't upgrade firmware or update apps is because the phone is running well. In your case perhaps it's going the be a game of upgrade/update roulette.
Is power management active? Any disabled apps or services? Setting changes to system apps? Is a firewall installed? In Accessibility are there any services installed for those apps? For Android 11 and higher there maybe more settings... Samsung's notorious for burying them.
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Gave a shot at updating the firmware; it boosted the performance a little bit, the battery is lasting way longer and the apps are closing less.
I ran a bugreport of a full day of use through battery historian and i found something strange, all app crashes are attributed to com.google.android.providers.media.module (which a quick google told me it's the MediaProvider Module from AOSP). Is there something i can do about it?
idk about power management but i have adaptive battery on, and i put discord to sleep; disabled google, meets and chrome; no settings changed; no firewall installed; all accessivility settings are off and no apps are using those permissions. I ****ed around a lil bit and toggled some of the samsung stuff off, but there might still be something buried, yes.
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Adaptive battery is global power management. To verify it's on: Developer options>standby apps, the app bucket states will be varied if it on ie active, frequently, rarely etc.
When off they will always show as active and you can not change the bucket state (it seems to take but after a refresh it hasn't).
This lame feature never worked and uses much more battery than if the the device is hand optimized. It can cause erratic behaviors.
If you deal with the power hog correctly the results are apparent within hours not days or weeks. Lol, Gookill tends to get more stupid over time, not smarter That said hand optimizing takes time but the results are much better and yield a substantial increase in SOT, standby time as well as a snappier, cooler running device.
Optimizing is somewhat trial and error at first and a bit tricky. It eventually becomes almost second nature. This N10+ was a stuttering hot running power hog before it was optimized, now it runs like a bat out of hell. Try temporarily disabling Google play Services and see what that does. Gmail, Playstore and Google backup Transport are dependencies, simply turn on if needed. Kill the notifications for too so it doesn't nag you constantly. See if that helps your issues.
Use Device Care>memory>optimize. Install SD Maid Pro to do more clean up, it's a very useful app. A logging firewall can be very useful for tracking down issues, lets you see what's being busy in the background using data and resources.
com.google.android.providers.media.module, interesting. Apparently it's caused trouble going back to 2011 from time to time. It's a needed service. Go through all the Google account settings. It's good to explore all setting options anyway. Maybe try clearing the Media Storage app cache and check the settings.
I'm more clueless than you why this happening.
Maybe someone here knows why it's puking on you. Otherwise play with it, eventually you'll track the cause down but it may take a while.
If you're in the US you could go to a Samsung Experience center at best buy; they allegedly can run advanced diagnostic tests on it.
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Adaptive battery is global power management. To verify it's on: Developer options>standby apps, the app bucket states will be varied if it on ie active, frequently, rarely etc.
When off they will always show as active and you can not change the bucket state (it seems to take but after a refresh it hasn't).
This lame feature never worked and uses much more battery than if the the device is hand optimized. It can cause erratic behaviors.
If you deal with the power hog correctly the results are apparent within hours not days or weeks. Lol, Gookill tends to get more stupid over time, not smarter That said hand optimizing takes time but the results are much better and yield a substantial increase in SOT, standby time as well as a snappier, cooler running device.
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All my apps are active and i cannot flick the switch so i guess it's off. i turned adaptive battery off on battery and device care > battery > more battery settings.
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Optimizing is somewhat trial and error at first and a bit tricky. It eventually becomes almost second nature. This N10+ was a stuttering hot running power hog before it was optimized, now it runs like a bat out of hell. Try temporarily disabling Google play Services and see what that does. Gmail, Playstore and Google backup Transport are dependencies, simply turn on if needed. Kill the notifications for too so it doesn't nag you constantly. See if that helps your issues.
Use Device Care>memory>optimize. Install SD Maid Pro to do more clean up, it's a very useful app. A logging firewall can be very useful for tracking down issues, lets you see what's being busy in the background using data and resources.
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While i'm aware of some optimization techniques, it's been so long since I actually felt the need to tweak something it's actually surreal. My two previous phones were a Mi A2 and a N20U (for almost three years), and I didn't mess around for basically nothing. they ran absolutely fine, I thought my XDA days were gone
But anyways, I did the following: After updating the firmware, I disabled and cleaned the media provider app cache and cleaned the system cache. The phone got immediately snappier, but some of the crashes were still happening. I ruled the Whatsapp crashes to a faulty backup, since I noticed it happened when I open certain chats. idk how to fix this so I just deleted the chat; the com.google.android.providers.media.module crash count went down from 10 to 4 on my two last battery cycles. Something is still crashing, but possibly in the background. I'll keep monitoring it.
Is there any other thread that shows the ropes of optimizing samsung devices aside from this one?
guile50 said:
All my apps are active and i cannot flick the switch so i guess it's off. i turned adaptive battery off on battery and device care > battery > more battery settings.
While i'm aware of some optimization techniques, it's been so long since I actually felt the need to tweak something it's actually surreal. My two previous phones were a Mi A2 and a N20U (for almost three years), and I didn't mess around for basically nothing. they ran absolutely fine, I thought my XDA days were gone
But anyways, I did the following: After updating the firmware, I disabled and cleaned the media provider app cache and cleaned the system cache. The phone got immediately snappier, but some of the crashes were still happening. I ruled the Whatsapp crashes to a faulty backup, since I noticed it happened when I open certain chats. idk how to fix this so I just deleted the chat; the com.google.android.providers.media.module crash count went down from 10 to 4 on my two last battery cycles. Something is still crashing, but possibly in the background. I'll keep monitoring it.
Is there any other thread that shows the ropes of optimizing samsung devices aside from this one?
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WhatsApp... ditch the trashware. An unstable OS can end up turning into a boot loop very quickly.
Any app that's misbehaving and can't be sorted out gets uninstalled or package disabled.
Find and correct the root cause(s).
All I ever played with are Samsung's and all needed to be optimized. There are numerous posts I've made of it but you see my post count; even I be hard pressed to ferret them all out.
I've thought about starting a thread but I run 9 and 10, plus I have mine configured to my device and needs. So what works well for me may be useless to others. It's a steep learning curve that works best if you learn the what's and why's rather than blindly implementing someone else's list. Eventually you get a feel for it by playing with it. That comes in handy when
Other than Package Disabler I deal with everything through the UI settings, and with 3rd party add ons; no adb edits. The result is a very stable stock Samsung that runs well and a very long lived load. I block upgrades and updates; these can and do break Samsung's so I have learned and waste my time trying to fix the mess they make.
blackhawk said:
WhatsApp... ditch the trashware. An unstable OS can end up turning into a boot loop very quickly.
Any app that's misbehaving and can't be sorted out gets uninstalled or package disabled.
Find and correct the root cause(s).
All I ever played with are Samsung's and all needed to be optimized. There are numerous posts I've made of it but you see my post count; even I be hard pressed to ferret them all out.
I've thought about starting a thread but I run 9 and 10, plus I have mine configured to my device and needs. So what works well for me may be useless to others. It's a steep learning curve that works best if you learn the what's and why's rather than blindly implementing someone else's list. Eventually you get a feel for it by playing with it. That comes in handy when
Other than Package Disabler I deal with everything through the UI settings, and with 3rd party add ons; no adb edits. The result is a very stable stock Samsung that runs well and a very long lived load. I block upgrades and updates; these can and do break Samsung's so I have learned and waste my time trying to fix the mess they make.
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Jesus, do you have any apps on your phone? Shouldn't you just get a nokia 3310 at this point?
You bash every feature of a smartphone that makes it smart.
No apps, no software update, no features, no fun. Try living in the woods completely off the grid. Seems more up your alley.
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You bash every feature of a smartphone that makes it smart.
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If you pay more attention, this statement will read as follows:
"You bash every 'feature' of a smartphone that makes it a better spyware."
@Rod F
OneUI has a bug. I used to see app crashing pop-ups quite frequently during the initial period on my S22U. The same build and version of apps ran absolutely fine on my other devices, which too were running on the same Android version as my S22U.
Over time, due to optimisations and updates from Samsung, the number of such pop-ups have reduced to almost none now.
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If you pay more attention, this statement will read as follows:
"You bash every 'feature' of a smartphone that makes it a better spyware."
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Like I said. You should get a Nokia 3310.
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Like I said. You should get a Nokia 3310.
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GDPR happened because someone raised the issue and created awareness. Although it is only a first step, but that too wouldn't have happened if he had just decided to get the Nokia 3310.
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Jesus, do you have any apps on your phone? Shouldn't you just get a nokia 3310 at this point?
You bash every feature of a smartphone that makes it smart.
No apps, no software update, no features, no fun. Try living in the woods completely off the grid. Seems more up your alley.
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You failed to counterpoint my specific suggestions with your off topic retorts. You got possible solutions for the OP or just hot air for me?
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alright it is with great pain that i am writing this, but i really need some help here. for months i've read the forums, searched for answers, asked little individual questions, IMed with people directly for help... and i'm still having trouble.
i rooted my T-Mobile G1 all the way back when cupcake first came out. everything was great. life was grand. everything ruled. i was a happy android fanboy, talking friends into switching to android, talking crap about iphones... the works... but slowly things started getting slower and slower and slower...
the obvious thing was to wipe and reflash. i was constantly just updating to newer cyanogen roms at that point without wiping. so i wiped to the newest cyanogen at the time (can't remember at this point, but just picture it was like a couple months after cupcake). so things were good again for a little bit, but then it started slowing down again, getting FC's, etc. so a friend recommended i switch to superD... i did, and again, everything was great for a while. i consistently upgraded superD roms (sometimes wiping in between sometimes not). eventually i got to the point where i was on the most recent superD release. it lasted about a day before things started slowing down. examples include when i hit home to exit an application and go to the home screen, the whole screen would either turn black or just show my wallpaper for a good 5 seconds before my home screen would appear, or opening the browser would take like 10 seconds. lots of slow down.
so with the help of a friend i decided to completely wipe and reformat/repartition my sd card. i bought titanium backup but i didn't even bother with it, i said to myself, look, you barely use any of the stuff you have right now, how about just start fresh and reinstall things as you need them manually. so i formatted, repartitioned (using amon Ra's recovery, using the menu option that helps you do it automatically). i made sure i had the most recent radio and spl (this was just a couple months ago), and reflashed the most recent superD (i think its 1.11 if i remember correctly)... again, maybe one day of good performance before everything slowed down. this was also about the time when my battery life started becoming an issue. i'm not exaggerating when i say i couldn't make it home without breaking under 20% battery by the end of the day... and i really don't use my phone THAT much. i'd say i'm a little above average on my usage. i'll get into my widgets and apps in a second, but i really don't use that much stuff...
SO... continuing my story (thanks for sticking with me if you're still reading...). when cyanogens 2.1 for the g1 rom came out (5.0.8d/s) i decided it was time for a change. i reformatted AGAIN, repartioned AGAIN, and flashed 5.0.8. basically, i've got the same story going on. slowdowns, poor battery life, etc.
so here i am with my cyanogen 5.0.8 flashed g1. let me tell you about apps and widgets and stuff. right now i have a regular wallpaper (not live), 14 icons between my 5 screens and just the google search and power management widgets. i used to have calwidget, the genie widget (both news and weather), and the setcpu widgets too, but i decided to take them off to see if it would help with performance. zero help. apps that i either know for sure are always running or i think may have some impact are twidroyd, newsrob, craigsnotif (craigslist notifier), and dealdroid. i don't think any other apps are running and/or do automatic updates for content and stuff like that.
i also use cachemate (purchased) regularly to clear my caches. apps2sd is enabled.
i'm not sure what other information you'd need to help me out, but just let me know and i'll try to give you more details.
right now, i've got slow down like almost all the time. things are constantly pausing, slowing down. i feel like i'm back on my t-mobile mda with winmo5 haha. and forget about it with the battery. i left the house with 90% battery this morning. i went to the gym. went home. picked up lunch. came to work. its been like 4 hours. i currently have 19% battery. all i've done is make 2 phone calls, about a dozen text messages and i've sent 2 tweets (about my battery problem haha). i also used google maps once to look up a number. my wifi and gps is off.
so there we go. really guys, please please please. help me out if you can. any help would be appreciated. i'm so sick of this. and i'm stuck in contract until july 2011. so i'm not getting a new phone any time soon. i gotta figure this thing out.
i really appreciate your help.
thanks.
Dave
OH... and PS... forgot to mention that I just got a new battery this week thinking maybe the battery was just getting old and bad. obviously, no such luck.
I had the same issues till I flashed a SuperD, then everything was fine. I just recently flashed the Froyo from Cyanogen and its like it fixed everything and I'm on a brand new device (knock on wood)!
How old is your G1? Do we know if there are issues with the first run out of the factory? Is that even an issue?
i got the g1 last july. so it was already out for a while at that point. it was new from a store though. i suppose there could be something actually wrong with the phone itself, but i don't know. i was thinking of trying the cyanogen froyo but because its not a stable release yet i figured it would be just this bad or worse...
I promise cm5.0.8 has wonderful battery life when no custom apps are installed and not on any network..
so the question is what is your phone doing, and ought it be doing what it is doing.
There are some nice built in tools for this
Applications->running services
And
Applications -> manage applications (check out the filter in the menu from that screen)
You may be surprised by the apps the think they need to constantly have a service running for some painful trivial job the android API has better interfaces for.. if in addition to that you don't need the app uninstall it.
Otherwise experiment with comp cache and lock launcher in memory.
another example, as i was reading this i was on the phone and i just finished the call and hung up, and i was previously in text messages, it took 12 seconds for my text messages to come up. thats just insane...
as for running services:
- GTalkService <--- I use GTalk all the time
- GenieRefresh Service (Restarting) <--- weird considering I disabled this widget, although I'd LIKE to have it back
- Maps FriendsAppWidgetUpdater (Restarting) <--- never used this in my life
- NewsRob UnreadWidgetProvidor (Restarting) <--- never used the widget before (as a matter of fact, you have to pay to use the widget and i have the free version... weird)
-Twidroyd Background Service <--- understandable, I use this constantly
- AKNotepad Snaptic Update (Restarting) <---- umm... I use this all the time but I don't know why a notepad program would need an updater service running... interesting...
- Swype <---- gotta have that
- CM Updater (Restarting) <--- Don't really think that needs to be on all the time. Can easily manually refresh that...
So that's it. I didn't realize this was included now. Very cool. On older roms I had to use task managers which don't seem to really work. I'm going to stop everything except twidroyd, gtalk and swype right now and see how that does... at the bottom it says Avail: 3.2MB+0.00B in 0 ... Other: 55MB in 4 ... While typing that the Maps FriendsAppWidget just popped back up... I'm gonna see if theres a setting...
In the meantime, does any of this give you any ideas? thank you so much for the advice. Also what does (Restarting) mean?
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Otherwise experiment with comp cache and lock launcher in memory.
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oh and i have compcache not checked and launcher in memory IS checked... i just tried turning on the compcache option... lets see how that goes...
ok so...
now that i know about those things that were running, i stopped all the ones i don't need, and also went into the apps to see if there was any options for turning off automatic updates, background syncing, etc etc for those things... i'm gonna charge my phone while getting ready to go out and then we'll see how it goes throughout the evening. lets see if i make it home with more than 20% battery left (i'll be gone for like 5 hours). if so then we're on to something here still i find it weird that i can't have a few widgets loaded. but whatever, i'll take a smoothly running phone that lasts all day and i just have to click on icons to get to stuff any day... thanks for the help, i'll let you know how its going tomorrow.
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ok so i tried the compcache and keep launcher in memory options last night, messing with both settings. i found that every possible combination became very unstable other than the one i already had (which was compcache off and launcher in memory on). after trying to shut excessive running services like i mentioned yesterday, and also restarting the phone and then shutting them again, i got NO difference in performance OR battery life...
so back to square one... any ideas guys?
thanks so much for any help you can give me. i really really appreciate it.
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ok so i tried the compcache and keep launcher in memory options last night, messing with both settings. i found that every possible combination became very unstable other than the one i already had (which was compcache off and launcher in memory on). after trying to shut excessive running services like i mentioned yesterday, and also restarting the phone and then shutting them again, i got NO difference in performance OR battery life...
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Um... The compcache instability scares me a bit
Compcache has had issues (maybe still does) where the first time you enable it the phone crashes.. but then works fine with Compcache on reboot. Otherwise it really ought no make the phone unstable. (it may or may not speed things up depending on how memory is being used.. usually however it allows 12MB of memory that is rarely used to be compressed, allowing a little more active memory to be utilized) You may want to look into wiping dalvik-cache both on the internal memory and SD card:
Enter console and run (this will restart the phone)
Code:
rm -rf /data/dalvik-cache/*
rm -rf /cache/dalvik-cache/*
rm -rf /sd-ext/dalvik-cache/*
reboot
if you get an error about no files found thats not an issue; but other errors may indicate a problem.
This may help system stability (with or without compcache) .. but won't do anything about the battery life (nor speed unless something was seriously wrong)
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Unfortunately you will either need to erase all your apps and just run stock CM5 [maybe slowly restore your apps you really need] -- OR -- be very patient and debug whatever application(s) are causing issues on your phone (and maybe complain to the dev for failing to read/understand google's documentation on how to write android applications.. not that some of the google apps haven't quite figured that out until recently)
Thus again the main question is what is running on your phone.. The places I mentioned before allow you to see the services (most of which usually restart if you run the related application again) but not strictly all the details to look for.
Example 1 An widget service is likely holding onto memory starving timer services (those not listed) and swapping out other services (phone/launcher making everything feel slow) At the same time the widget is not very active usually and may not connect to the internet at all; thus may not reduce battery life.
Example 2 An IM client on the other hand may requires a service to keep TCP/IP connections alive, and if not coded properly may be very persistent and cause a slow continual stream of data from your phone requiring a large amount of power to keep the phone on 2G/Edge.
Example 3 A Task killer an kill tasks that re-spawn, or kill a task in use if it doesn't know better causing things to behave in strange ways.. so can killing services/applications from the setting screens btw.. but at least that is a one off by user decision not a automatic operation in the background. Tasks when re-spawned may require more data from the internet thus more power to 2G/Edge
User: Then the one that causes me the most problems: A user that keeps the phone in his/her pocket rather than surfing the web, checking XDA, or continuously checking the battery level is using the device less thus will have longer battery life. (careful to not fall into this trap)
Other Ideas:
SetCPU: set the sleep CPU low in profiles (sleep for me is 245/160)[/*]
Verify End action: Settings->End Button Behavior->Go to sleep[/*]
Set longer periods between polls in applications that poll the net (example twitter every 10 or 20mins.. not 5)[/*]
Larger net transfers on wifi if available (example tell newsrob to sync on wifi only) wifi drains the battery faster than idle, but is much cheaper if larger amounts of data are involved.[/*]
As you can see many things will impact the system. You will need to find the ones eating your battery
Another helpful screen for debugging this may be Settings->Spare Parts->Battery History and Settings->Spare Parts->Usage Statistics
I get between 4h and 12h batter life under semi-normal conditions. 4h = surfing 3g + tappatalk + games.. 12h check email/tweat if i get one.. otherwise stays in my pocket. I've seen my test phone hang out for days on a 2g network without data. (so you can always set your apn type to mms if you just need it to be a phone for many hours.. mms keeps mms support btw)
Ebuddy (and most other MSN/AIM/ect chat clients is frequently one of the biggest problems on my phone.. so if I need more battery those are the first to go.. and whomever it is can poke me on gtalk/txt/or wait
Good luck in your search.. Took me a while to make cm5 work as long as cm4.. most of it was mis-behaving apps that I either know to shut off when I need longer battery life.. or have found replacements for.. or avoid widget functionality if the widget was misconfigured. (
[Oxygen OS 3.5.4]
[OnePlus 3T fully stock]
Dear guys,
prefacing that also if my screenshots involve only a "minor" party of the enitre battery cicle, also during the entire battery duration time, the situation is the same and the proportional amount of battery consuption remain the same one.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B33XUIW_T5BfV2hsSWpaMEMwSDA
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B33XUIW_T5BfS2JFZ1g5cTdrRms
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B33XUIW_T5BfOXdzTnowd2kzMEk
As wrote in the title I am still on MArshmellow, so nothing apparently related to the Nougat things that are happening this days for the OP3T.
Coming from a Nexus 5, I started my OnePlus experience two days ago with the OnePlus 3T, I have performed a full clean install without restoring settings from my Google account, and I have started to soffer of an huge and significant "Google Play Service" battery drain.
I have tried:
- From the app menu, Goolge Play Services: "Memory - Manage space - Delete data"
- Disabling the automatic Google backups for account and apps settings
- Turn GPS and localization off
- Disable Google Now and all it's features
all this helped a bit but on the other hand searching here and on XDA I saw that many people, coming from differente devices, are suffering of this and until now, or maybe I have not found it yet, no one has found something that seems the real cause with a consequent real solution.
I have to admit that I have choosen to buy the OnePlus 3T for his battey life performances and that I am a little frustrated about this battery drain because it does not allow me to fully enjoy this wonderful device.
Can anyone help me with this?
Thanks a lot for your availability and for your time.
Update to OOS 4
Say hello to the Mobile Radio Active bug. I can see from your charts that you're suffering from it. It is a big in Android since Lollipop. It is still present in Nougat. The app reporting the usage is not actually the cause. (For me, my browser shows it.)
The bug displays itself as high amounts of Mobile Radio Active time when it should be turned off instead.
There is no real fix. The Mobile Radio Active fix available for xposed doesn't work fully.
My configuration still suffers from it BUT much less. As in, I get great battery life and only occasion does the mobile radio active level go above CPU time. Here's my config:
I'm using OxygenOs 3.5.4 right now (but I've ran this with Suntans ROM so it should be fine on other ROMs) with Frankly Kernel R5.
Then I install xposed, with DS battery saver and Airplane Mode Helper. I have the MRA fix module active just in case. I also install Amplify and Greenify. You'll want to manage the config of these but the defaults do help.
With this set up, I have my phone switch off its data when the screen is off. This is the important part of the config that helps fix the bug.
Note that the Smart Network module for xposed is supposed to switch the data off too, but I find if I use it instead of DS battery saver, the bug returns.
This specific combination of software and config has taken me months of research to get right. Hopefully these pointers will help you.
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Also, don't go to 4.0. battery life with this config is better than using 4.0. (standby drain is much less)
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Say hello to the Mobile Radio Active bug. I can see from your charts that you're suffering from it. It is a big in Android since Lollipop. It is still present in Nougat. The app reporting the usage is not actually the cause. (For me, my browser shows it.)
The bug displays itself as high amounts of Mobile Radio Active time when it should be turned off instead.
There is no real fix. The Mobile Radio Active fix available for xposed doesn't work fully.
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Thanks a lot for your response! Unfortunately this is not a good news
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My configuration still suffers from it BUT much less. As in, I get great battery life and only occasion does the mobile radio active level go above CPU time. Here's my config:
I'm using OxygenOs 3.5.4 right now (but I've ran this with Suntans ROM so it should be fine on other ROMs) with Frankly Kernel R5.
Then I install xposed, with DS battery saver and Airplane Mode Helper. I have the MRA fix module active just in case. I also install Amplify and Greenify. You'll want to manage the config of these but the defaults do help.
With this set up, I have my phone switch off its data when the screen is off. This is the important part of the config that helps fix the bug.
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So, let me try to get into it... Doing this I am going to lose every mobile signal data while my screen is off or maybe there is some "trigger" that "every x time" active the mobile radio" in order to make my phone able to receive notifications?
Greenify is something that I were already using on my Nexus, it's time to see if the configuration you suggested can at least improve my battery performances
Really thank you mate, I will try to look in it as soon as I can.
No problem. I've been meaning to document my configuration for a while! DS battery saver let's you set how often the phone is allowed to wake up and how long dor. It is fuzzy, as in, in practice the device wakes up for a few other things, but it does ensure you can still get timely updates.
I'll have a think what else I've done. Best thing for me is that I don't have to disable GPS or mess with Google play. Most people don't seem to realise they eare suffering the MRA bug and fail to understand that the app showing the issue isn't the actual app causing it. It is causing many people to uninstall things they don't need to.
I also have substratum installed and am using a dark theme applied only to apps, leaving core OS components unthemed (theming android system and the settings app would break the device so don't ha.) The dark theme also massively reduces drain from the OLED screen.
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No problem. I've been meaning to document my configuration for a while! DS battery saver let's you set how often the phone is allowed to wake up and how long dor. It is fuzzy, as in, in practice the device wakes up for a few other things, but it does ensure you can still get timely updates.
I'll have a think what else I've done. Best thing for me is that I don't have to disable GPS or mess with Google play. Most people don't seem to realise they eare suffering the MRA bug and fail to understand that the app showing the issue isn't the actual app causing it. It is causing many people to uninstall things they don't need to.
I also have substratum installed and am using a dark theme applied only to apps, leaving core OS components unthemed (theming android system and the settings app would break the device so don't ha.) The dark theme also massively reduces drain from the OLED screen.
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Thank you, now I got it! Tahnks for sharing your expierence and helping me understanding
Anyway, suffering this kind of bugs in 2017, when a lot of users have reported this and thanks to this Google could have sufficient information to analyse the issue, seems not acceptable... we are not talking about a little refresh bug or something like that but this could be the kind of bug that can make the user experience horrible for people.. just a little outburst.
Im facing this problem too after flashing oos 4.0.1, twrp 3.0.3-1, rooted.
I've tried to disable google app, permission to location is turn off for every app except maps, only using 1 google account. This is my cycle.
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Im facing this problem too after flashing oos 4.0.1, twrp 3.0.3-1, rooted.
I've tried to disable google app, permission to location is turn off for every app except maps, only using 1 google account. This is my cycle.
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A lot of people after the Nougat update are facing battey drain issues like you.
If your drain, like most of them, is related to the Oxygen OS there are good news for you, because OnePlus on twitter was talking about a new release (4.0.2) to fix all this battery issues.
Did you experienced this drain also before updating to Oxygen 4.0.x?
In my case I think to not be as lucky because I am experiencing this also with Oxygen 3.5.3 that is based on Android Marshmellow.
Yesterday I got a conversation with the Google Italian support describing my problem and all the "Mobile radio active" bug information... they told me they started a further investigation on this matter in order to solve the issue. I really hope that this could be a good starting point in order to definely resolve this issue and give to the Mobile radio active bug the importance and the severity that it worth!
If your battery drain is caused by this mobile data bug, maybe you can take a look at this app "LeanDroid" https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.teqtic.leandata&hl=en
I have it on my S6 and my S7 because those 2 phones had terrible battery drain and this app seems to help out. You can limit certain services such as mobile data, bluetooth, GPS, Wi-Fi.
You still get background notifications and stuff, but it is in a "sleep mode" sort of state and helps preserve your battery.
When I get my OP3T I will write a tutorial about some great apps that can help preserve battery and even optimize the performance of your phone even more than it already is.
I hope this helps you out though. Good luck!
Leandroid looks like a replacement for DS battery saver. I'll give it a try and see which saves more. DS hasn't been updated for a while.
...Works with OOs 4.0.1. DS battery saver doesn't. Could be on to a winner here since that's the main reason I've not stuck with it.
That's awesome. Like I said, I haven't gotten my phone yet so haven't tested it on the OP3T, but if it works for you, I look forward to hearing your feedback about it.
Stefa. said:
A lot of people after the Nougat update are facing battey drain issues like you.
If your drain, like most of them, is related to the Oxygen OS there are good news for you, because OnePlus on twitter was talking about a new release (4.0.2) to fix all this battery issues.
Did you experienced this drain also before updating to Oxygen 4.0.x?
In my case I think to not be as lucky because I am experiencing this also with Oxygen 3.5.3 that is based on Android Marshmellow.
Yesterday I got a conversation with the Google Italian support describing my problem and all the "Mobile radio active" bug information... they told me they started a further investigation on this matter in order to solve the issue. I really hope that this could be a good starting point in order to definely resolve this issue and give to the Mobile radio active bug the importance and the severity that it worth!
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I only used 3.5.4 for one day when i bought it. Then updated to 4.0.1, unlocking, root, and install all apps that i need.
Here is my cycle after i did :
1. Disable google app
2. Disable location permit for all apps except maps.
3. Using greenify to sleep background apps
Pretty impressive, but the google play service still draining more then android system.
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I'm still investigating on my battery drain problem apparently related to Google Play services.
Summing, like stated some posts ago, all things for now are pointing to one, and not so positive, thing: Mobile radio active bug (here more details: https://code.google.com/p/android/is...tail?id=190396)
I've found that using the WiFi connection my drain problem is totally gone, more than this, I see that Google Play Services exchanged a lot of background data when I am using mobile data (2G/3G/4G) .
Due to this I tried, from the Google Play Services app settings, to active the "Limit app background data" option and with my pleasure I saw that this was fixing my drain problems also with mobile data!
"All fantastic!" I said.. not at all, doing this I saw that I lost push notifications while receiving messages on whatsapp, messenger, hangout and so on.. and unfortunately this is very inconvenient.
m0d hipp¥ said:
If your battery drain is caused by this mobile data bug, maybe you can take a look at this app "LeanDroid" https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.teqtic.leandata&hl=en
I have it on my S6 and my S7 because those 2 phones had terrible battery drain and this app seems to help out. You can limit certain services such as mobile data, bluetooth, GPS, Wi-Fi.
You still get background notifications and stuff, but it is in a "sleep mode" sort of state and helps preserve your battery.
When I get my OP3T I will write a tutorial about some great apps that can help preserve battery and even optimize the performance of your phone even more than it already is.
I hope this helps you out though. Good luck!
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Thanks for sharing!
I will give it a try once I have rooted my OP3T.. It's very interesting the possibility to make exceptions based on the app and on its background services.
TeddySika said:
I only used 3.5.4 for one day when i bought it. Then updated to 4.0.1, unlocking, root, and install all apps that i need.
Here is my cycle after i did :
1. Disable google app
2. Disable location permit for all apps except maps.
3. Using greenify to sleep background apps
Pretty impressive, but the google play service still draining more then android system.
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Very nice SOT time
Just a question.. what you mean at the point 1 with "Disable google app"?
Update, Leandroid is a great replacement for DS battery saver. I saw 8h SOT yesterday with it on MM. DS battery saver/leandroid are the key feature to working around the MRA bug. You do lose immediate notifications but you can specify how often to check, which is a nice enough workaround to make everything worth it.
No need to use Greenify on Nougat, in OOs 4, Greenify is part of the OS. But I still trust it more as it has proven itself over the years.
So yeah, leandroid plus Greenify plus Amplify plus FK kernel equals insane battery life.
damiensturdy said:
Update, Leandroid is a great replacement for DS battery saver. I saw 8h SOT yesterday with it on MM. DS battery saver/leandroid are the key feature to working around the MRA bug. You do lose immediate notifications but you can specify how often to check, which is a nice enough workaround to make everything worth it.
No need to use Greenify on Nougat, in OOs 4, Greenify is part of the OS. But I still trust it more as it has proven itself over the years.
So yeah, leandroid plus Greenify plus Amplify plus FK kernel equals insane battery life.
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Thank for the feedback. Is this going to be the ALL ABOUT BATTERY thread? Should be. Should make one at least, afterall it is what xda is all about. Helping out the community would love to see a thread about tips and tricks. New to the one plus 3t after today. Still using s7 edge but getting my opo today
Shatter their dreams! and haunt their nightmares !
Very nice SOT time
Just a question.. what you mean at the point 1 with "Disable google app"?
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On the google app, i turn off notification, feed, card, ext.
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TeddySika said:
I only used 3.5.4 for one day when i bought it. Then updated to 4.0.1, unlocking, root, and install all apps that i need.
Here is my cycle after i did :
1. Disable google app
2. Disable location permit for all apps except maps.
3. Using greenify to sleep background apps
Pretty impressive, but the google play service still draining more then android system.
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I have android system and android OS chewing up like 70% battery with like 3 apps installed (exchange, News, TIt backup), swype removed and greenify? My Screen does not even make this list- absolutely horrible - what could cause this?
Seems to be fixed with 4.02...
TeddySika said:
On the google app, i turn off notification, feed, card, ext.
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Got it, thanks mate
aaronc_98 said:
I have android system and android OS chewing up like 70% battery with like 3 apps installed (exchange, News, TIt backup), swype removed and greenify? My Screen does not even make this list- absolutely horrible - what could cause this?
Seems to be fixed with 4.02...
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The version 4.0.2 should fix this battery drain issue if they are related to the Android OS system from the Nougat update.
By the way in the update changelog I did not found nothing related to the "battery drain fix", on the other hand happy to hear that the new version fixed your issue!
Lookin forward for you confirm.
Hey guys. Google brought me here. Apparently there isn't much on the subject.
I ran OOS 3.5.3 a few days ago (haven't tried 3.5.4 since I heard it had battery issues). I was suffering from high drainage from Google Play Services, Android System and Android OS. With the help of Greenify, Amplify and Power Nap I could get at least 5h of screen time. I got sick of the drain so I tried OOS 4.0.2, hoping it would fix things. Android System and Android OS drains are indeed fixed, but the mobile radio active is still present. I'm barely getting 4h of SoT, with the lack of Amplify and Power Nap, so I'll probably revert back to 3.5.3 soon, even though it had issues. Also getting disappearing notifications on 4.0.2. Custom ROMs are a no since I need the camera to be at its best. Should I just keep flashing stock ROMs hoping I get lucky and it gets fixed?
The mobile radio active bug is unlikely to get fixed. Try leandroid with 4.0.2 but for me, 3.5.4 with FK kernel, Amplify and Greenify work better for battery.
Hi everyone. I just got my OnePlus 10 Pro and ever since I had it it's been running very warm when using I checked a few apps and they all showed that the battery was running at 42° Celsius which is keeping the device warm basically all the time when I'm using it. is anyone else having this problem? This is really concerning for me.
I'm unable to update to the latest version of the formula that's available because OnePlus seems like they don't release full ROMs for the OnePlus 10. What's up with that?
Try temporarily disabling Google play Services...
Strange, I've thrown everything at this phone and it's never got above 34.
Not once, maybe the heatsink is a little away...
blackhawk said:
Try temporarily disabling Google play Services...
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Will give this a try and see what happens.
dladz said:
Strange, I've thrown everything at this phone and it's never got above 34.
Not once, maybe the heating is a little away...
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IDK it's crazy annoying to always have a warm device when trying to use it.
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IDK it's crazy annoying to always have a warm device when trying to use it.
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It's burning up the battery too. I'm familiar with Samsung's and this is a common problem with them. The solution is to optimize the phone unless it's a purely firmware or hardware issue.
Turn off global power management.
Find the power hogs and deal with each on a case by case basis. Either by changing settings or disabling/uninstalling them or by using work arounds.
Keep trash social media apps like FB, WhatsApp, etc off the phone. Cloud storage tend to be a battery sucker, one reason I use SD cards instead.
Try using factory loaded app versions, update one at a time if at all and see what results.
Once you get it optimized I would avoid app and especially firmware updates/upgrades. These can and do break things. In your case a firmware update may correct issues on your variant so consider wisely and don't update blindly.
Anything from Pie up is relatively secure in actual use... useless you do something stupid. Security even using Pie simply isn't an issue. Updates have cost me far more time then any malware to fix. In the last 2 years no malware repairs or factory resets on this stock N10+ running on Pie.
Mine get extreme warm too, specially when its charging.
I've also noticed some heat when Warp Charging!
Just updated my s21ultra last week. Android 13
Since updating im having the following issue.
Usually if ive just taken a photo or downloaded a image online. When in the process of sending it to a contact in whatsapp 'pressing the camera symbol in a chat' ..the image ive just downloaded use to appear first.
For some reason this is no longer the case...how can this be resolved???
Check permissions. Try clearing the cache or data. Clear system cache on the boot menu.
It might be on WhatsApp end, not up to speed.
It's never a good idea to load any social media apps on the device. Access them through browser login only. WhatsApp, FB, Tiktok are some of the worst. Invasive at best, outright malware at worst.
Always a ongoing security risk.
Thanks this resolved the issue..
I also have another issue..
Android auto - when plugging into my ford via usb, its stating usb not responding/detected on my ford screen. It was working fine prior to updating.
Some sort of setting blocking me out?
Jayar10 said:
Thanks this resolved the issue..
I also have another issue..
Android auto - when plugging into my ford via usb, its stating usb not responding/detected on my ford screen. It was working fine prior to updating.
Some sort of setting blocking me out?
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What resolved it?
No idea but again it's likely a setting or another needed future update. Trust me there'll be more.
Was it worth all this trouble? Although 12 is no gem either.
This one reason I run N10+'s and don't go higher than Android 10; both Samsung and Google been putting out subpar products now for at least 3 design cycles. Google continues to use scare tactics about security to the point where they are crippling the devices and usability. I see no end to this hype rather than performance driven marketing from both these corporations.
blackhawk said:
What resolved it?
No idea but again it's likely a setting or another needed future update. Trust me there'll be more.
Was it worth all this trouble? Although 12 is no gem either.
This one reason I run N10+'s and don't go higher than Android 10; both Samsung and Google been putting out subpar products now for at least 3 design cycles. Google continues to use scare tactics about security to the point where they are crippling the devices and usability. I see no end to this hype rather than performance driven marketing from both these corporations.
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Photos permissions was blocked for whatsapp...
No idea why my android auto isnt working!??
Jayar10 said:
Photos permissions was blocked for whatsapp...
No idea why my android auto isnt working!??
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Afraid not. I never used that app. If it really irritates you and you can't work it out, you can probably roll it back to 12. Try some Google searches include older OS versions and models too. Many issues go back years. Start pouring over the new OS settings; you'll need to anyway.
It helps to have a backup phone.
I got a twin mostly for if this one is down for repairs but also because I committed to using the N10+for another 2-3+ years. I can't depend on either Samsung or Google to be reliable with their product releases anymore so I took control. No more bs.
It's been like half a month since I got the OnePlus 10 pro, it's been working flawlessly until just two days ago. Since then, even when I'm not using the phone and the screen is turned off, the phone is at 40-42°C constantly. I'm really worried because it has been working cool (well not as hot as now) even when using high demanding games, but now it even turns off the 120hz because of how hot it gets when just using chrome for example. Should I try and do something to fix it or directly send it to get the phone checked?
It might be obvious but the battery life has also gotten horribly worse than before, and it only cools down after completely turning the phone off.
What's running in the background?
A logging firewall may help find it. Cloud apps are always prime suspects.
Any new apps or updates in that period?
Possible malware. Try to find the root cause however if malware is suspected and can't be eliminated or if the root cause eludes you, factory reset.
It may be a hardware failure but more than likely it's software issue. If it persists right after factory reset it's either firmware or hardware; send it in at that point.
blackhawk said:
What's running in the background?
A logging firewall may help find it. Cloud apps are always prime suspects.
Any new apps or updates in that period?
Possible malware. Try to find the root cause however if malware is suspected and can't be eliminated or if the root cause eludes you, factory reset.
It may be a hardware failure but more than likely it's software issue. If it persists right after factory reset it's either firmware or hardware; send it in at that point.
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Might be the Pokemon infinite fusion zip i downloaded because it all started after i downloaded that file. I deleted it but the problem still happened. Right now temperature is back down but I'll try and do what you said. If the problem still persists Ill probably factory reset, but right now for some reason it's better, battery is still acting weird but ye
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Might be the Pokemon infinite fusion zip i downloaded because it all started after i downloaded that file. I deleted it but the problem still happened. Right now temperature is back down but I'll try and do what you said. If the problem still persists Ill probably factory reset, but right now for some reason it's better, battery is still acting weird but ye
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It may have contained malware, downloaded it as an update or acted as a trojan preloader.
It may not have contained any malware or imported any but could have altered hidden user settings that didn't revert back after uninstalled; just a poorly coded app.
If device isn't behaving normally and you can't find the cause, nuke it... factory reset. Start with a clean load and then be careful what you install and download.
I try not to sample apps as while rare they can damage the load. Just because it comes from Playstore doesn't mean it's safe or vetted. Playstore continues to fail in this regard. A clean Android load can last years with minimal maintenance provided you don't upgrade/update the firmware. Updating apps is generally a bad plan as well. This N10+ is still running on Pie, current load will be 3 yo in June. It runs like a bat out of hell and security is not an issue.
Whenever side loading always use online Virustotal to scan it first. If there's any doubt from the results, don't install it. Not worth the risk or the time consuming trouble it can cause.
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It may have contained malware, downloaded it as an update or acted as a trojan preloader.
It may not have contained any malware or imported any but could have altered hidden user settings that didn't revert back after uninstalled; just a poorly coded app.
If device isn't behaving normally and you can't find the cause, nuke it... factory reset. Start with a clean load and then be careful what you install and download.
I try not to sample apps as while rare they can damage the load. Just because it comes from Playstore doesn't mean it's safe or vetted. Playstore continues to fail in this regard. A clean Android load can last years with minimal maintenance provided you don't upgrade/update the firmware. Updating apps is generally a bad plan as well. This N10+ is still running on Pie, current load will be 3 yo in June. It runs like a bat out of hell and security is not an issue.
Whenever side loading always use online Virustotal to scan it first. If there's any doubt from the results, don't install it. Not worth the risk or the time consuming trouble it can cause.
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I later downloaded the same zip in the PC because it's actually a PC game and it did say something about malware, so I'll probably factory reset the phone. I have had a OnePlus 8 pro for almost three years and still works like a charm. It has Evolution X flashed but still, that's why I'm trying to take more care of my 10 pro, since i kind of destroyed the battery of the op8pro (due to playing while charging and leaving it charging all night for a few months probably), but then this happened so i got pretty worried. Thanks for the help and the tips ^^
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I later downloaded the same zip in the PC because it's actually a PC game and it did say something about malware, so I'll probably factory reset the phone. I have had a OnePlus 8 pro for almost three years and still works like a charm. It has Evolution X flashed but still, that's why I'm trying to take more care of my 10 pro, since i kind of destroyed the battery of the op8pro (due to playing while charging and leaving it charging all night for a few months probably), but then this happened so i got pretty worried. Thanks for the help and the tips ^^
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You're welcome.
Android and Windows aren't normally effected by the same viruses etc as the malware can't cross platform.
On heavily used devices the battery lasts about 2 years. Simply get it replaced.