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[Q] When to root?

Hi friends,
had some queries regarding when to do the root+CWM and if it will conflict with new updates from samsung.
1. is it best to root as soon as i buy a fresh phone? or should i apply all the updates (if any) and then proceed for the root.
2. should i do a clean format before root. will it conflict with any install of apps. should i install apps after root?
3. what about future updates? will i be able to continue receiving new updates?
4. what is the specific files required to unroot and go back to stock? where can i find my stock zimage. any other files and apps required please inform. I'm using Indian version.
i went through http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1424997
this dr.ketans stock roms list but im not very clear about it.
thanks a lot

anjath said:
Hi friends,
had some queries regarding when to do the root+CWM and if it will conflict with new updates from samsung.
1. is it best to root as soon as i buy a fresh phone? or should i apply all the updates (if any) and then proceed for the root.
2. should i do a clean format before root. will it conflict with any install of apps. should i install apps after root?
3. what about future updates? will i be able to continue receiving new updates?
4. what is the specific files required to unroot and go back to stock? where can i find my stock zimage. any other files and apps required please inform. I'm using Indian version.
i went through http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1424997
this dr.ketans stock roms list but im not very clear about it.
thanks a lot
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1. Better to update to new firmware then to root (Update only to Rootable FW)
2. No need to clean format before root.
3. After rooting you wont receive any updates from Samsung.
4. Stock ROM and odlin, KL3 is the last update found in India and its rootable

3. so we'll have to unroot, update to new version and then try to root again?

After unroot u need to factory reset to get updates i guess.

anjath said:
Hi friends,
had some queries regarding when to do the root+CWM and if it will conflict with new updates from samsung.
1. is it best to root as soon as i buy a fresh phone? or should i apply all the updates (if any) and then proceed for the root.
2. should i do a clean format before root. will it conflict with any install of apps. should i install apps after root?
3. what about future updates? will i be able to continue receiving new updates?
4. what is the specific files required to unroot and go back to stock? where can i find my stock zimage. any other files and apps required please inform. I'm using Indian version.
i went through http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1424997
this dr.ketans stock roms list but im not very clear about it.
thanks a lot
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1. I dont see any reason to w8, I have rooted in half n hr of my purchase. I wrote the post how to Root before my purchased (Available in India quite later). But it is your nice question regarding pre or post update, First you updates if any available so you may not need to Re-Root. Just keep in mind If your updates is KL7/KL8, then you have to Root it first.
2. It is always better to Root in clean condition(as soon update ROM), though there is no Rule.
3. No and Yes, No incase you want updates from Kies
Yes in case you can Flash any ROM with Odin
4. You are Indian then I can confirm few more thing, Your last update is KL1
purchased state you may have KK1, just update over OTA, now you will have KL1
Now Root. Dont worry regarding Stock Kernel, Just send Me PM whenever you may need Indian Kernel
To Root , use link in my signature.

dr.ketan said:
1. I dont see any reason to w8, I have rooted in half n hr of my purchase. I wrote the post how to Root before my purchased (Available in India quite later). But it is your nice question regarding pre or post update, First you updates if any available so you may not need to Re-Root. Just keep in mind If your updates is KL7/KL8, then you have to Root it first.
2. It is always better to Root in clean condition(as soon update ROM), though there is no Rule.
3. No and Yes, No incase you want updates from Kies
Yes in case you can Flash any ROM with Odin
4. You are Indian then I can confirm few more thing, Your last update is KL1
purchased state you may have KK1, just update over OTA, now you will have KL1
Now Root. Dont worry regarding Stock Kernel, Just send Me PM whenever you may need Indian Kernel
To Root , use link in my signature.
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thanks a lot for the clarification. I'll definitely message you when i need the Indian kernel.

for 3. while my phone is rooted i received KKA update from kies.

What is the purpose of each of the 3 different update zip files ?

Hi,
Sorry of this is a bit of a newbie question but:
What is the purpose of each of the 3 different update zip files ?
And do I have to apply them all - and in what order ?
In my case, I am about to update to B389, and I have downloaded 3 files for VIE-L29C636B389 (currently on VIE-L29C636B130), and I have an update.zip, an update_full_VIE-L29_hw_spcseas.zip and an update_data_full_public.zip.
I was planning on doing the first two by the dload method (with reboots in between), but the update_data_full_public.zip doesn't appear to have an update.app, so how do I load that ? (I do have TWRP on my phone, so could probably figure it out - eventually).
Cheers,
SZ

same question
I read somewhere that it should be flashed in that exact order. i'm guessing that is the same procedure as with auto OTA updates, except now we have rooted phones, so bye-bye to auto updates. I am currently on VIE-L29CB636B387 and i received an automatic Huawei notification of a new version (VIE-L29CB636B388) about a week ago. I tried to update to that version in System Update-Quick Update, but that didn't work (surprise!). There was no issue though as when I rebooted it just went back to 387. However, I now have a red "New Version" notification in my System Update. Please tell me how your upgrade went if you went ahead and flashed 389. I have the three files already from filefinder, i also have TWRP and/or I could use adb fastboot to install. Thanks in advance.

Hey,
I am not sure I want to proceed on the basis of something that somebody 'read somewhere' ....
Anyhow - I've not run these updates yet, as I wanted to backup my phone first, but TWRP keeps blowing up with an error in the middle of the backup, so I am not going to try anything until I get to the bottom of that.
Will let you know if/when I ever go ahead!
Cheers,
SZ

Hi,
TWRP blowing up during NAND backups? thats not a good thing. Upon the advice of a forum member (xzanium) I flashed TWRP 3.1.1-1 instead of TWRP-3.2.1-0-vienna. No hitches so far, solid backups and no hiccups in flashing SuperSU, also got xposed to work seamlessly and other stuff. I hope you are able to resolve the issue you mentioned and get around to getting VIE-L29CB636B389 on your phone.
Well good luck to you, and post here any progress if you would.

SZ,
I have an idea on what the purpose of each of the 3 different update zip files are for and whether you have to apply them all - and in what order.
Since I could make a NAND backup using TWRP without issues, and there was an OTA update notice for an upgrade to VIE-L29CB636B388 which I couldn't upgrade to while rooted, I decided to unroot in order to upgrade to that. First i did the requisite steps - uninstalled the xposed framework and proceeded with the full unroot with SuperSU. Then I performed the dload method to flash the update.app that I extracted from the update.zip.
It was here where i hit a snag. What followed was, I found out that Huawei needs a verified stock rom, meaning it has to be a fullOTA-MF-PV in order that the bootloader could be relocked. So I tried my luck and downloaded the stock ROM VIE-L29C636B370 and flashed that. Success! From there, and several auto upgrades later I was back to L29C636B370. Reinstalling my Google account also locked back FRP. At this point i am full stock EMUI 5
Now, to answer your question. When I tried to upgrade to VIE-L29C636B388 via system update quick update. I only saw one file - update.zip therefore this must the only one needed for incremental patches. The same holds true with update_data_full_public.zip as I later learned when I decided to use the proxy upgrade method in MT filefinder . It applied a 2nd patch. The third file, namely, update_full_VIE-L29_hw_spcseas.zip was not required for this incremental update. In fact, the update process was cut short and an error message appeared that the file could not be located, even though i copied that to the HwOUC folder. It appears that this was deleted before the fullOTA update could finish during the incremental update process. Clearly, this last zip is not necessary for incremental updates. So this must be the package which delivers the rest of the ROM, or the parts of it that needs to be changed.
So, obviously what "I read somewhere" was legit. I hope that answers your question.
cheers!
mm

Security Update OPSS27.104-92-2

I am getting a nag screen to update to opss27.104-92-2 but I can't because I have rooted the phone. I noticed a similar question about the last update and there was a way to manually do the update. Does anyone know where to get the files for this security update so that I can do a manual install.
Alternative, does anyone know where the file is stored on the phone once it is downloaded? If I can find the file then I can probably unzip it and do a manual install.
Thanks

atomclock said:
I am getting a nag screen to update to opss27.104-92-2 but I can't because I have rooted the phone. I noticed a similar question about the last update and there was a way to manually do the update. Does anyone know where to get the files for this security update so that I can do a manual install.
Alternative, does anyone know where the file is stored on the phone once it is downloaded? If I can find the file then I can probably unzip it and do a manual install.
Thanks
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You can't unzip it and try to apply it. It doesn't work that way. You either have to wait until a full firmware package with this update in it is released or reflash a stock system that matches the one you're on. You would need to flash the entire stock firmware. Then you can boot back to the system and take the update normally.

madbat99 said:
You can't unzip it and try to apply it. It doesn't work that way. You either have to wait until a full firmware package with this update in it is released or reflash a stock system that matches the one you're on. You would need to flash the entire stock firmware. Then you can boot back to the system and take the update normally.
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I guess I will have to wait until some is kind enough to post a manual install version.
Thanks

atomclock said:
I guess I will have to wait until some is kind enough to post a manual install version.
Thanks
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There won't likely be a way to install an update on rooted stock. You have to fastboot flash the firmware you're currently on (to remove modifications to system, boot.img, etc), then take the update. That IS the manual method. It should be stored in /cache. The /cache that's in the root directory of the phone. Which G6 do you have?

madbat99 said:
There won't likely be a way to install an update on rooted stock. You have to fastboot flash the firmware you're currently on (to remove modifications to system, boot.img, etc), then take the update. That IS the manual method. It should be stored in /cache. The /cache that's in the root directory of the phone. Which G6 do you have?
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When I talked about doing the update the manual way, I was talking about doing it the way it is described in this thread.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g6/help/security-update-to-opws27-113-45-4-wont-t3818421
Hopefully, someone will extract the relevant files from the update and give instructions on manually doing the update. I really wouldn't call restoring the device to stalk and taking the automated update and then re-rooting the manual way. I would call that the hard way.

atomclock said:
When I talked about doing the update the manual way, I was talking about doing it the way it is described in this thread.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g6/help/security-update-to-opws27-113-45-4-wont-t3818421
Hopefully, someone will extract the relevant files from the update and give instructions on manually doing the update. I really wouldn't call restoring the device to stalk and taking the automated update and then re-rooting the manual way. I would call that the hard way.
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That thread literally says install the stock firmware. You have to wait for the entire firmware for the new build to be released. no one is extracting anything from any update package. They are just using the full firmware package in that thread. You just have to wait for the full firmware to be posted on mirrors.lollinet.com the November patch for my G6 play was just posted there yesterday. that's why I asked which version of the G6 you have I will link you to the full firmware.
Or, You just fastboot flash stock, take the update, fastboot TWRP, use TWRP to flash magisk. No data loss, easy peasy.
the only difference in those two ways is taking the update after you flash stock or flashing stock firmware including the update. Either way you have to root your device again.
You can even flash stock with RSDlite using service file.xml instead of flashfile.xml
the file they are flashing with fastboot in that thread is the stock firmware. Just the newer one.

I was browsing for firmware today, the newest build/security patch is available on the lollinet Moto under Ali fw

GotHeart said:
I was browsing for firmware today, the newest build/security patch is available on the lollinet Moto under Ali fw
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The question is can i use different software channel for my G6? Example 1925-6 to 1925-7 to gain particular service carrier signal

Noob Question : How to update a rooted Note 9 Exynos ?

Hi everybody,
My phone is stock except root. I rooted it only for adaware and titanium backup.
I'm using these for years and there's no reason to change that
A long long time ago I had a Galaxy S3. But thnings have change a lot in the Samsung's World. I'm comming from Oneplus' world
With my other phones, I had to install a "update.zip" from TWRP.
I cannot found things like this for the Note 9.
So, how to upgrade ? (Dirty flash pie to pie)
With Odin ?
For small update I preafer to try first the dirty flash to save time. If the phone seems to slow, I'll made a clean install, but I really want to avoid the root process to install TWRP at every update.
Thanks

billy_boolean said:
Hi everybody,
My phone is stock except root. I rooted it only for adaware and titanium backup.
I'm using these for years and there's no reason to change that
A long long time ago I had a Galaxy S3. But thnings have change a lot in the Samsung's World. I'm comming from Oneplus' world
With my other phones, I had to install a "update.zip" from TWRP.
I cannot found things like this for the Note 9.
So, how to upgrade ? (Dirty flash pie to pie)
With Odin ?
For small update I preafer to try first the dirty flash to save time. If the phone seems to slow, I'll made a clean install, but I really want to avoid the root process at every update.
Thanks
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You can't avoid the root process, everytime you update you will need to root again! Also download SAMFIRM.EXE and use Odin3_v3.13.1_3B_PatcheD to flash the update files.. See 7th post here for the tools--> https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-9/help/downgrade-to-android-oreo-t3890956

N1NJATH3ORY said:
You can't avoid the root process, everytime you update you will need to root again! Also download SAMFIRM.EXE and use Odin3_v3.13.1_3B_PatcheD to flash the update files.. See 7th post here for the tools--> https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-9/help/downgrade-to-android-oreo-t3890956
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Thanks for your reply.
Yep, made a mistake, this is not the root, but installing TWRP...
regards

Rooting device?

If I root this device to use titanium backup and root for apps like gsm battery - if i were to upgrade using samsung services, would this undo my root or lock my phone from future updates in some way?
Is it advised against updating if one were to root in the future?
Lastly why can't I call record?

zetsui said:
If I root this device to use titanium backup and root for apps like gsm battery - if i were to upgrade using samsung services, would this undo my root or lock my phone from future updates in some way?
Is it advised against updating if one were to root in the future?
Lastly why can't I call record?
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I will try to answer....
First, IF you Root, one is Not able to do the OTA updates! ( Meaning, you will not be able to update the phone from within the devise)
Second one- The Hard Q to address - Only due to the fact that Everyone is Different. Everyone uses their phone differently. Plus, add in the fact that Samsung has stated, that the S20 FE will receive regular security updates and a few OS updates as well!! (When Purchased in January I has Android 10. A couple of weeks later, it was February, Samsung updated to Android 11. (Knowing later this year, if not next, we will be on Android 12, says something, about the devise!))
Now all that said, knowing XDA People, in time, we should be able to have Our beloved Root, as well as, Updates that come from Google and Samsung.....
I had to check my phone (recent update, things have changed a bit...) in my case, I no longer have call recording (stock) on the phone! It has disappeared!!!

if you don't mind downloading and manually flashing the latest update via Odin, keeping root would mean taking the boot.img (I think) from the tar file and patching it via magisk and then putting it back into the tar file and flashing the whole thing.

3mel said:
if you don't mind downloading and manually flashing the latest update via Odin, keeping root would mean taking the boot.img (I think) from the tar file and patching it via magisk and then putting it back into the tar file and flashing the whole thing.
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so the stock updated rom is available here? on this sub foruM? i'm fine with that for now. as long as i can keep my seetings and not hav et o resetup everything

zetsui said:
so the stock updated rom is available here? on this sub foruM? i'm fine with that for now. as long as i can keep my seetings and not hav et o resetup everything
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not available from here yet, you'd have to download the firmware from one of the Samsung firmware sites / apps. don't quote me on these names, Samfirm, Sammobile and Frija. and again don't quote me, do your own searches here to confirm but if you use the HOME_CSC file instead of the regional one your data won't be wiped.
you'd lose root if you didn't also patch the boot.img file and copy that back to tar archive.

3mel said:
not available from here yet, you'd have to download the firmware from one of the Samsung firmware sites / apps. don't quote me on these names, Samfirm, Sammobile and Frija. and again don't quote me, do your own searches here to confirm but if you use the HOME_CSC file instead of the regional one your data won't be wiped.
you'd lose root if you didn't also patch the boot.img file and copy that back to tar archive.
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you're confusing me now. so what's the order if I do want to update and keep root?
Root->magisk patch after its released for current upgrade (any eta on time after samsung releases)->upgrade?

my last Samsung was fully custom rom and I only ever flashed radio and bootloader, I got those from links in forums. I think firmware is pretty quick in being made available on these sites / apps but I've not used them myself.
so imagine your phone is already rooted (that first initial root is more involved as there's a data partition wipe), new firmware comes out.
* download that firmware
* open the archive tar of that firmware and copy boot.img file to your phone (I've only read this once so confirm I have the correct file name).
* from your phone install magisk v22
* open magisk and options for direct install will lead you to patching the boot.img
* when that's done, move the patched file back to your computer and replace the original version with the patched one. it might be handy to keep a copy of the unpatched file safe in case you need it one day.
* from your computer flash the contents of that tar archive, you'll need to read a proper guide for this, the correct files need to be assigned to the correct partitions in Odin (the flash app for Samsung) and the names aren't all obvious. also you need drivers for Odin too, and a good version that works for this phone.
* one of those files that needs to assigned is called the CSC file, that deals with the region your phone is going to be (put simply). if you use your phones correct CSC file for the region of firmware you downloaded the data partition will be wiped.
to avoid that you can use the HOME_CSC file and data will not be wiped. on your initial first root you will have to wipe though to make sure your storage is not encrypted.
* you really want to follow guides for everything you're doing for the first time, don't rely on previous experience. Samsung phones are different to Pixels etc. some guides are written as if you'll know half this stuff already, if you don't it doesn't hurt to ask someone.
lol, I haven't actually rooted my own phone yet. I'm waiting to borrow a laptop plus seeing how things develop with TWRP / mods / new procedures.