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Hello, moving from trusty dash/excalibur - doa over weekend - to either kaiser/att tilt or fuze. Going to buy from 3rd party off craigslist - please clue me in as to what to watch out for, problems with phone not obvious, esn issues, etc., going in a couple of hours.
Thanks very much as I am clueless on these phones.
For kaiser, make sure the tilt aspect of the device holds. My first one got really weak that when you'd tilt the screen up it'd fall right back down.
For both, kaiser and raphael, slide it open and close a couple times and watch out if its smooth or not. Theres a ribbon cable that connects the top half of the device to the bottom half, if you hold the device up to a light while sliding it you and sometimes make it out (look between the screen and kb). Look at the edes of this and see if they're freyed at all. If so stay away.
Also the obvious, check for physical damage, take off the battery cover and battery and look at the heads of the screws and see if they've been messed with. They should be black and will show silver if they've been scratched (i.e. opened up with a screw driver).
Look for the warranty sticker, if its not there, stay away. On the kaiser if you take off the battery cover it'd be the hole thats on the top right. There should be a sticher in there that says void in white.
press every button and make sure it works. Open up new note to test the keyboard.
when you take out the battery, look for a white kind of fluffy sticker. If its blue that means the phones been subject to moisture/water.
I'd say thats about it, don't worry if the device runs slow or any of the software part of the device because that can all be flashed and customized.
last note, i'd go with the raphael over the kaiser.
good luck and enjoy your new device.
I bought this G1 with a cracked screen and I decided to replace the screen, however when I removed a certain part in the phone I managed to rip a ribbon cable. I searched for a replacement part and found out that it will cost about $185 to replace it. Now I am about to buy this other G1 for $50 that had water damage that I will be using for parts. But before I buy it, is there a way I can see whats wrong with it using adb? I'm interested in whether the part that I need is in working condition.
the phones condition is:
-the screen does not show anything but a backlight
-leds work
-rebooting using three buttons work
-lcd is probably screwed up because when i hit the power button i see part of the home background and then it fades away.
-no g1 screen logo while rebooting
-normally vibrates once while rebooting
-android os boots up
-"adb kill-server adb devices" doesn't list me any devices when i hook it up to usb. maybe debugging is turned off.
here is a link to the part i am about to remove
http://www.cellphone-repair-shop.co...icrophone-and-sd-card-slot_50H10000-02M-A.htm
the pcb board has the trackball, usb port, simcard slot, sdcard slot, and various other peripherals.
sensimila said:
I bought this G1 with a cracked screen and I decided to replace the screen, however when I removed a certain part in the phone I managed to rip a ribbon cable. I searched for a replacement part and found out that it will cost about $185 to replace it. Now I am about to buy this other G1 for $50 that had water damage that I will be using for parts. But before I buy it, is there a way I can see whats wrong with it using adb? I'm interested in whether the part that I need is in working condition.
the phones condition is:
-the screen does not show anything but a backlight
-leds work
-rebooting using three buttons work
-lcd is probably screwed up because when i hit the power button i see part of the home background and then it fades away.
-no g1 screen logo while rebooting
-normally vibrates once while rebooting
-android os boots up
-"adb kill-server adb devices" doesn't list me any devices when i hook it up to usb. maybe debugging is turned off.
here is a link to the part i am about to remove
http://www.cellphone-repair-shop.co...icrophone-and-sd-card-slot_50H10000-02M-A.htm
the pcb board has the trackball, usb port, simcard slot, sdcard slot, and various other peripherals.
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you ARE SO FUNNY!!!
Why? can I laugh too?
I don't see you turning a profit considering u can buy one for $200 on craigslist easy
its funny cuz its like you trying to buy a coumputer without a mother board. this is the main thing in the g1 it would be cheaper to buy the phone brand new
i have two, one of them needs this part and the other one has the part i need. and plus im fixing it for my brother.
G1 #1
-already Bought for $74
-needs pcb board
G1 #2
-$50 as is
-has pcb board
-has water damage
anyhow I managed to get into recovery and did a wipe logged in but once the screen turns off i cant turn it on anymore. would you say it is safe to exchange these parts?
Wrong Forum, goodness
how is it wrong..I'm not asking anybody to take it apart and do it for me. if it was in the wrong place would it be because I'm not developing something for someone to use. is there a section for modding, taking apart the g1 and internals. if i could develop something i would. i guess there's no help in posting useless remarks because that doesn't contribute to nothing. If this so happens to be in the wrong forum well then this is my first mod now isn't it? and since you went of of your way to tell me its the wrong place why don't you be helpful to lead your fellow xda forum member. ok.
accessory forum This seems to strictly be about discussing the SOFTWARE for the Dream. Accessory forum covers mods and replacements (to my knowledge)
$50 for a water damaged G1? WTF? Are you serious?
miketaylor00 said:
$50 for a water damaged G1? WTF? Are you serious?
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do you mean by that as expensive or cheap???
prince.siraj said:
do you mean by that as expensive or cheap???
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I'd say expensive, as you have no idea the extent of the water damage. If the phone was on while dropped into the water, the mainboard is likely dead. Buying it would be a waste.
Also, this forum is for software development. Moving this thread. Thanks!
hey thanks for moving my thread. as i reread my post it seems more of a question than a developmental thread.
further testing
i booted up
ran through all of the radios wifi, 2g, 3g, orientation sensor, made a call and they all seem to work fine. the one problem with this phone is that if i turn off the screen it won't turn back on.i think that maybe the pcb board might be salvageable. would that be worth doing?
What cable was it that you ripped? What was it connecting? And is it possible for you to take pictures?
my digi cam isnt working but this will do. its like a 1/8" rip on the side of the ribbon i was thinking about repairing but i cant because the ribbon is soldered to the board. i figure that i should try swapping it out, what could possibly go wrong? im assuming that the lcd has lost the ability to regain power after turning off from the water. and maybe...possibly the main pcb has dried up and not been damaged considering most things work fine. thanks for sticking around.
I'm not liking your chances of getting this working, but fwiw here's the service manual:
http://mikechannon.net/PDF Manuals/HTC Dream SM (A04).pdf
Thanks I already have that manual printed out. Took it all apart like4 or 5 times. its pretty easy to do. I'll be starting operation on it tonight.
Folks,
Need a bit of help here. N7000 just hit the ground and something cracked. It doesn't look like the external screen has cracked but the display is all kinds of messed up. I can get part of the screen to respond, but some of it won't...
Asking a few questions... This device has multiple layers of the "screen" correct? How can I check to see what is cracked, and what can be repaired?
Currently the screen has gone to a green hue, it looks like probable damage to the LED screen? I can receive calls, and my HS3000 was connected when it fell so bluetooth is working, but I cannot see any info...I can perform calls via the headset.
Looking to find some options and get an idea of costs involved in any possible self repair. Any other help is greatly appreciated.
This never happened to my N900. :crying:
coderedcomputing said:
Folks,
Need a bit of help here. N7000 just hit the ground and something cracked. It doesn't look like the external screen has cracked but the display is all kinds of messed up. I can get part of the screen to respond, but some of it won't...
Asking a few questions... This device has multiple layers of the "screen" correct? How can I check to see what is cracked, and what can be repaired?
Currently the screen has gone to a green hue, it looks like probable damage to the LED screen? I can receive calls, and my HS3000 was connected when it fell so bluetooth is working, but I cannot see any info...I can perform calls via the headset.
Looking to find some options and get an idea of costs involved in any possible self repair. Any other help is greatly appreciated.
This never happened to my N900. :crying:
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It looks like you need a screen repair... You should repair the entire screen but if it makes you wallet bleed and you are brave enough go ahead and try open it,
squabbi said:
It looks like you need a screen repair... You should repair the entire screen but if it makes you wallet bleed and you are brave enough go ahead and try open it,
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Thanks. Yeah this thing is toast. I saw the youtube of the guy replacing just the LCD... NOPE. The assembly is almost as much as another unlocked phone. BAH.
So one day after working out I took out my phone from my pocket and basically the screen wont turn on at all. upon further inspection it looks like that there is a very VERY minor scratch UNDER the screen ranging from right above the home button from the left to right corner. it is barely visible and you have to look at it in the perfect angle just to see the crack. I am freaking out and not sure what I should do. The phone will turn on and everything and it seems like i can actually touch things on the phone and I will hear feedback from it but just no image will display at all. It is a blank screen as if the phone is turned off. Any ideas on how to fix this? or would I need to try to fix the screen all together?
blackguy101 said:
So one day after working out I took out my phone from my pocket and basically the screen wont turn on at all. upon further inspection it looks like that there is a very VERY minor scratch UNDER the screen ranging from right above the home button from the left to right corner. it is barely visible and you have to look at it in the perfect angle just to see the crack. I am freaking out and not sure what I should do. The phone will turn on and everything and it seems like i can actually touch things on the phone and I will hear feedback from it but just no image will display at all. It is a blank screen as if the phone is turned off. Any ideas on how to fix this? or would I need to try to fix the screen all together?
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Sounds like what happened on my S4... when taken to AT&T they said it was a pressure crack. That's not the glass, that's the screen itsel lf possibly due to excessive heat OR if something heavy was left on it (or not that heavy, just on top of the phone for quite a while). Either way, you would need the screen replaced or you can take it to AT&T and see what you can do This is only from my own experience and knowledge, however my S4 broke due to presumed heat (don't know how) and nothing on it, though AT&T refuses to rule that possibility out. Sorry if I couldn't help too much
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Sounds like what happened on my S4... when taken to AT&T they said it was a pressure crack. That's not the glass, that's the screen itsel lf possibly due to excessive heat OR if something heavy was left on it (or not that heavy, just on top of the phone for quite a while). Either way, you would need the screen replaced or you can take it to AT&T and see what you can do This is only from my own experience and knowledge, however my S4 broke due to presumed heat (don't know how) and nothing on it, though AT&T refuses to rule that possibility out. Sorry if I couldn't help too much
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You helped do not worry! So I called samsung and when I explained how exactly the crack appeared, he told me that I could send it in and they can see what they can do (I was kinda nervous because I was rooted but I was able to odin it back to stock thank god its not hard at all to do even without what is viewable on the screen lol) The rep told me something along the lines of it could be either dead pixles is what I am seeing and not a crack. I kinda doubt thats why its like that but idk. He said that when samsung gets it they will do a hardware check and if they can determine if the crack was not made due to me dropping it then they will fix it. As for how true this is I have no idea! I never in my life had to use a warranty before so im scared to find out what they say!
blackguy101 said:
You helped do not worry! So I called samsung and when I explained how exactly the crack appeared, he told me that I could send it in and they can see what they can do (I was kinda nervous because I was rooted but I was able to odin it back to stock thank god its not hard at all to do even without what is viewable on the screen lol) The rep told me something along the lines of it could be either dead pixles is what I am seeing and not a crack. I kinda doubt thats why its like that but idk. He said that when samsung gets it they will do a hardware check and if they can determine if the crack was not made due to me dropping it then they will fix it. As for how true this is I have no idea! I never in my life had to use a warranty before so im scared to find out what they say!
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If you see the crack under the screen when it's off then I'm pretty sure that's not dead pixels, I would show you my S4 but my dad has it in custody to get it fixed and sell it sometime in the future... basically, everytime I rebooted the phone, more cracks came, and then they grew. I'm glad I could help though and I hope that the warranty covers it even with Odin flash, however root is within the system I believe so even a clean Odin flash may remove root but not all traces Hopefully they won't bother checking the entire system for traces, but if they do... thennnn you're kinda screwed sadly. Considering you're sending this to the actual manufacturer (Samsung) instead of the carrier (AT&T) then it is very likely that they will find out about the root. Whether they really care? (Which they probably do, screw your enterprising ways Samsung) That's up to them now. I wish you the best of luck!!!! Tell me how it goes
Hey guys bout to beat my head against a wall on this one.
A buddy of mine "tired" to replace his front glass on his Moto X and ended up destroying it. Apparently he cooked it pretty well with a hair dryer on high in the process of trying to the glass off and fried the LCD and digitizer and possibly more. Anyway he brought me over a bag of parts and asked if i could retrieve his data. He was running unrooted stock with a locked bootloader and I'm assuming debugging turned off but not sure.
So this is the part i start hitting my head against the wall. After reassembling it without the LCD/digitizer assembly pluged in, I pluged it in via USB and it installs it's self as a MOTOROLA PHONE, and seams to be using the USB INPUT and HID Compliant Vendor Defined Device drivers. I cant for the life of me get it to use the right drivers. I've installed Motorola's driver/device manager and run the Motorola driver installer but nothing is working.
Really don't know that much about the Moto X as I don't own one myself but i'd assume that it should install as a specific device and not a generic MOTOROLA PHONE as well as using MTP drivers instead of USB INPUT
Basically though, short of the driver issues, my main question is. Is there anyway of pulling data from a headless, bootloader locked, ADB disabled device? I personally don't think there is but just in case i thought i'd ask.
Would rather not buy a new LCD/Digitizer assembly for $70 if the main board got fried from the heat of the hairdryer, but might have to if there's no other way, at least then I could see what going on.
Have checked though the forms and didn't see any other similar topics on this, so if I missed it please link it.
Thanks ahead of time.
~Ninjaboy837
Ninjaboy837 said:
Hey guys bout to beat my head against a wall on this one.
A buddy of mine "tired" to replace his front glass on his Moto X and ended up destroying it. Apparently he cooked it pretty well with a hair dryer on high in the process of trying to the glass off and fried the LCD and digitizer and possibly more. Anyway he brought me over a bag of parts and asked if i could retrieve his data. He was running unrooted stock with a locked bootloader and I'm assuming debugging turned off but not sure.
So this is the part i start hitting my head against the wall. After reassembling it without the LCD/digitizer assembly pluged in, I pluged it in via USB and it installs it's self as a MOTOROLA PHONE, and seams to be using the USB INPUT and HID Compliant Vendor Defined Device drivers. I cant for the life of me get it to use the right drivers. I've installed Motorola's driver/device manager and run the Motorola driver installer but nothing is working.
Really don't know that much about the Moto X as I don't own one myself but i'd assume that it should install as a specific device and not a generic MOTOROLA PHONE as well as using MTP drivers instead of USB INPUT
Basically though, short of the driver issues, my main question is. Is there anyway of pulling data from a headless, bootloader locked, ADB disabled device? I personally don't think there is but just in case i thought i'd ask.
Would rather not buy a new LCD/Digitizer assembly for $70 if the main board got fried from the heat of the hairdryer, but might have to if there's no other way, at least then I could see what going on.
Have checked though the forms and didn't see any other similar topics on this, so if I missed it please link it.
Thanks ahead of time.
~Ninjaboy837
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Now , I'm not a hardware specialist or anything ,but , do you suppose you could somehow "Directly" access data from the NAND chip ?
Ref: " https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Motorola+Moto+X+Teardown/16867 "
I did a little research on the NAND chip, unfortunately there is an NDA in place, so you probably won't be able to find out what the pins are to access it. I have been wrong before. Problem with using the hair dryer on high is that heat=energy in motion, which can cause electron flow.
If your friend didn't take appropriate precautions, ie grounding himself, ESD pad, dry hands, it is possible he shorted the entire assembly, and all his data is destroyed, especially if he didn't disconnect the battery.
Finally, the bag of parts=sensitive electrical components in a heavily charged static bag. Chances are that could've killed any chance of getting data.
The reason that your computer is recognizing the device as a Motorola Phone and that is it is as a failsafe, the processor isn't completely dead and is doing what it can to help you, by trolling you.
Good Luck!
I picked up a 4.4.2 Moto X with a bad battery and a bad (broken panel, no display) screen assembly. It did the same as what you're describing when hooked up via USB. After installing a good battery and plugging in a working screen it booted right up without any trouble. Before the parts the phone would light a green LED in the earpiece when plugged into the charger. Unless he really super baked the crap out of it you can probably get it working with a screen and possibly a battery.
If you do need a screen I was looking at the $52 dollar option on ebay myself before I found another option, it's auction number 251892071870 .
I'd suggest trying this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2786395
You'd be able to run the recovery by pressing all three buttons when the device is off to get to the bootloader. Then when you guess that its loaded press volume down once, then volume up once. Then wait 10-30 seconds for recovery to load
tormin said:
I picked up a 4.4.2 Moto X with a bad battery and a bad (broken panel, no display) screen assembly. It did the same as what you're describing when hooked up via USB. After installing a good battery and plugging in a working screen it booted right up without any trouble. Before the parts the phone would light a green LED in the earpiece when plugged into the charger. Unless he really super baked the crap out of it you can probably get it working with a screen and possibly a battery.
If you do need a screen I was looking at the $52 dollar option on ebay myself before I found another option, it's auction number 251892071870 .
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I might just have to try that, i did notice with the battery out and connected via USB the phone shows up as a USB INPUT, but as soon as you plug in the battery and the X8 computing system then it switches to MOTOROLA PHONE.
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I did a little research on the NAND chip, unfortunately there is an NDA in place, so you probably won't be able to find out what the pins are to access it. I have been wrong before. Problem with using the hair dryer on high is that heat=energy in motion, which can cause electron flow.
If your friend didn't take appropriate precautions, ie grounding himself, ESD pad, dry hands, it is possible he shorted the entire assembly, and all his data is destroyed, especially if he didn't disconnect the battery.
Finally, the bag of parts=sensitive electrical components in a heavily charged static bag. Chances are that could've killed any chance of getting data.
The reason that your computer is recognizing the device as a Motorola Phone and that is it is as a failsafe, the processor isn't completely dead and is doing what it can to help you, by trolling you.
Good Luck!
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Yea, some people don't realize the big affects of not following little precautions.
Found a article on hackaday about reading NAND chips in place on the pcb might give that a try if all else fails.
http://hackaday.com/2010/12/24/reading-nand-flash-chips-without-removing-them/
http://www.uchobby.com/index.php/2007/05/05/read-embedded-flash-chips/
raddacle said:
I'd suggest trying this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2786395
You'd be able to run the recovery by pressing all three buttons when the device is off to get to the bootloader. Then when you guess that its loaded press volume down once, then volume up once. Then wait 10-30 seconds for recovery to load
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When booting in to the Moto X's recovery does it start ADB? I'm not sure if ADB is enabled or not, but it's worth a shot. I've gotten spoiled with My TWRP recovery auto enabling ADB on recovery boot.
ooo just saw this, there might be hope after all
Ricky Divjakovski said:
for people who dont have adb enabled, i suggest you contact a kernel developer to automatically enable it in the default.prop and sideload the kernel in recovery!
i broke my S3 on stock so nothing was enabled.
i enabled adb via the default.prop and compiled the kernel and flashed in recovery(sideload).
now i have full control over the device.
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Ninjaboy837 said:
When booting in to the Moto X's recovery does it start ADB? I'm not sure if ADB is enabled or not, but it's worth a shot. I've gotten spoiled with My TWRP recovery auto enabling ADB on recovery boot.
ooo just saw this, there might be hope after all
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Hmm you know what, you're right. It seems Nexus devices have adb on stock recovery- Moto's don't. Though what you found might be gold, I hope you can bust out a modified kernel- or know someone who does.
EDIT: Though I don't know how you're going to get the Update.zip on the phone to flash it. Worse comes to worse you could plug a mouse into the phone and play a guessing game of what you're clicking on