Question Old to Nexus, New to Pixel, Help. - Google Pixel 7

Hi guys, it's been awhile.
As stated in the headline, I've been around awhile, not new to rooting, unlocking, flashing, but it's been 5+yrs since I've touched anything and I'm coming back fresh on a Pixel device (Panther), so I'm now completely oblivious, nothing is the same lol.
I've been trying to wrap my head around what's changed and I'm still in confusion, hell, I still don't understand how to navigate XDA properly with this new "look", what happened to the option to revert to the old XDA layout!?
To my question, would anyone be able to write me up, or point me to some helpful guides that could walk me through what's changed from Nexus to Pixel, recovery to these new A/B partitions, how to unlock, root, safely and effectively (god I hate that sentence lol) pass Safety Check for Google Pay ECT....I need to be taught like I'm a fool (but I'm not so much, maybe slightly).
IDK if I want to go to a custom ROM or kernel just yet, but I'd like to know I can, and can come back to stock(unlocked and rooted, once there).
Seems gone are the days of TWRP, Philz and custom recoveries....hell....how do you even go about making a full backup (assuming through adb to my PC now) and getting it back onto the phone
Thanks in advance for an old guy who's in new territory.

dirtyjersey856 said:
Hi guys, it's been awhile.
As stated in the headline, I've been around awhile, not new to rooting, unlocking, flashing, but it's been 5+yrs since I've touched anything and I'm coming back fresh on a Pixel device (Panther), so I'm now completely oblivious, nothing is the same lol.
I've been trying to wrap my head around what's changed and I'm still in confusion, hell, I still don't understand how to navigate XDA properly with this new "look", what happened to the option to revert to the old XDA layout!?
To my question, would anyone be able to write me up, or point me to some helpful guides that could walk me through what's changed from Nexus to Pixel, recovery to these new A/B partitions, how to unlock, root, safely and effectively (god I hate that sentence lol) pass Safety Check for Google Pay ECT....I need to be taught like I'm a fool (but I'm not so much, maybe slightly).
IDK if I want to go to a custom ROM or kernel just yet, but I'd like to know I can, and can come back to stock(unlocked and rooted, once there).
Seems gone are the days of TWRP, Philz and custom recoveries....hell....how do you even go about making a full backup (assuming through adb to my PC now) and getting it back onto the phone
Thanks in advance for an old guy who's in new territory.
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Here's a Pixel 7 Pro guide. The principles remain the same.

Rooting is a little different than old school nexus twrp days. You can't just flash a zip for root. On the p7 you have to extract the init_boot.img from the factory image, patch it using magisk, and fastboot flash it. (There may be other solutions, but this works for sure.)
Here is a guide... https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/rooted-my-pixel-7.4505525/
And this is a good kernel to try if you want to go that route - once you are rooted you can flash it through a kernel manager app and it will retain root... https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...-2023-03-16-unified-pixel7-pixel7pro.4543551/
Have fun!

dirtyjersey856 said:
Hi guys, it's been awhile.
As stated in the headline, I've been around awhile, not new to rooting, unlocking, flashing, but it's been 5+yrs since I've touched anything and I'm coming back fresh on a Pixel device (Panther), so I'm now completely oblivious, nothing is the same lol.
I've been trying to wrap my head around what's changed and I'm still in confusion, hell, I still don't understand how to navigate XDA properly with this new "look", what happened to the option to revert to the old XDA layout!?
To my question, would anyone be able to write me up, or point me to some helpful guides that could walk me through what's changed from Nexus to Pixel, recovery to these new A/B partitions, how to unlock, root, safely and effectively (god I hate that sentence lol) pass Safety Check for Google Pay ECT....I need to be taught like I'm a fool (but I'm not so much, maybe slightly).
IDK if I want to go to a custom ROM or kernel just yet, but I'd like to know I can, and can come back to stock(unlocked and rooted, once there).
Seems gone are the days of TWRP, Philz and custom recoveries....hell....how do you even go about making a full backup (assuming through adb to my PC now) and getting it back onto the phone
Thanks in advance for an old guy who's in new territory.
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The thread in the quoted post directly below this sentence is the premiere guide to all the major points of going off stock experience for the Pixel 7's. It will answer much, if not all, of your questions...
Lughnasadh said:
Here's a Pixel 7 Pro guide. The principles remain the same.
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O.J. Simpson said:
And this is a good kernel to try if you want to go that route - once you are rooted you can flash it through a kernel manager app and it will retain root... https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...-2023-03-16-unified-pixel7-pixel7pro.4543551/
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One caveat you should know about flashing a custom kernel on the Pixel 7's is that you have to disable verity & verification -- which will require you to wipe your device, just for the first time -- but you will also have to put into the command to disable verity and verification every time you update through a Full Factory image.
You'll definitely be told this, so I'll be the first to tell you that using badabing2003's PixelFlasher is a GUI that will automate almost anything you'd wish to flash & do for your Pixel -- from unlocking, to firmware updating, to rooting, to custom kernals, to custom ROMs, to OTAs, and more. If you ever feel overwhelmed or want a simpler method with an interface, that is your best bet.
*Although he and I would suggest you going over roirraW "edor" ehT's guide to familiarize yourself with the methods and reasonings behind what he put a GUI to automate & do...
Happy hunting!

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Nexus 6 is horrible

I have a nexus 6. The sound quality is horrible with headphones and the speakers. I unlocked the bootloader, rooted the nexus 6. A lot of the custom roms I have tried freeze during installation and soft brick the phone. The only rom that works is the stock rom.
alucke
That's a rather non-descript post. Who's your carrier, what Rom's are you talking about, any custom kernels, did you perform a wipe before installing? As far as the Audio goes, I've got no complaints from the speakers nor using headphones (both hardwired and BT headphones). You do realize that the first boot after installing a fresh Rom can take several minutes, some as long as 8 minutes while everything is set in place. More info so that we can help, please.
alucke said:
I have a nexus 6. The sound quality is horrible with headphones and the speakers. I unlocked the bootloader, rooted the nexus 6. A lot of the custom roms I have tried freeze during installation and soft brick the phone. The only rom that works is the stock rom.
alucke
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lol your doing something wrong.
i have flashed most of the available roms, in total hundreds of times, never failed to boot, not even once.
i know i say this often, but ill say it again(even if im wrong this time).. i bet you used used a toolkit to root your device. too bad that you learn absolutely nothing from a toolkit. what you should do is put your phone down, and not touch it until you do some serious research into your device. how you do things properly, what can you flash, etc. these are things that you have to do before you ever root your device.
Is this a rant or are you asking for help? This is a development forum, so not really the place to rant. If you want help, please ask specific questions whilst supplying relevant information
Need education
simms22 said:
i know i say this often, but ill say it again(even if im wrong this time).. i bet you used used a toolkit to root your device. too bad that you learn absolutely nothing from a toolkit. what you should do is put your phone down, and not touch it until you do some serious research into your device. how you do things properly, what can you flash, etc. these are things that you have to do before you ever root your device.
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You are correct. Where do I go for help and advice upon this phone OS? I am willing to learn but know of no courses or clubs to join. I am taking lessons online at the Google developers site. This is a start but slow go. As an update, my soft bricked Nexus6 is back in order. I some how managed to use the Root Tool Kit and "pushed" the factory to the phone. I assume this restored my ABD and debug thereby establishing USB connection between PC and phone. I then wiped Cache, system and Dvalick. and loaded Cyanogen Mod 12.1 and Gapps. For a while there I lost debug and was never able to open the phone and enable it.
Still,I would like to know the alternate way such as sideload ABD and commands, Fastboot, Bootloader, etc.. Thank you.
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simms22 said:
i know i say this often, but ill say it again(even if im wrong this time).. i bet you used used a toolkit to root your device. too bad that you learn absolutely nothing from a toolkit. what you should do is put your phone down, and not touch it until you do some serious research into your device. how you do things properly, what can you flash, etc. these are things that you have to do before you ever root your device.
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You are correct. Where do I go for help and advice upon this Android phone OS? I am willing to learn but know of no courses or clubs to join. I am taking lessons online by self at the Google developers site. This is a start but slow go. As an update, my soft bricked Nexus 6 is back in order. I some how managed to use the Root Tool Kit v2.0.4 and "pushed" the factory, I downloaded from Google, to the phone. I assume this restored my ABD allowing debug thereby establishing USB connection between PC and Nexus 6, I then wiped Cache, system and Dvalick. and loaded Cyanogen Mod 12.1 and Gapps. For a while there I lost debug and was never able to open the Nexus 6 bootloader or Fastboot.
Still,I would like to know the alternate way such as sideload ABD and commands, Fastboot, Bootloader, etc.. Thank you.
This is the most idiotic post I've seen here all day. Seriously sell your nexus 6 and go buy a different phone if you don't like the phone or face the fact that you either don't know how to use a nexus device or you have a defective phone. But I'm almost entirely convinced this is 100% user error
Sent from my Nexus 6 using XDA Free mobile app
ray6279 said:
You are correct. Where do I go for help and advice upon this phone OS? I am willing to learn but know of no courses or clubs to join. I am taking lessons online at the Google developers site. This is a start but slow go. As an update, my soft bricked Nexus6 is back in order. I some how managed to use the Root Tool Kit and "pushed" the factory to the phone. I assume this restored my ABD and debug thereby establishing USB connection between PC and phone. I then wiped Cache, system and Dvalick. and loaded Cyanogen Mod 12.1 and Gapps. For a while there I lost debug and was never able to open the phone and enable it.
Still,I would like to know the alternate way such as sideload ABD and commands, Fastboot, Bootloader, etc.. Thank you.
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here is a good place to start
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/general/how-to-nexus-6-one-beginners-guide-t2948481
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/general/noob-read-adb-fastboot-how-help-t3006500
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/general/guide-flash-factory-images-nexus-6shamu-t2954008
good luck!
Android documentation is kinda lacking
Its not terrible... Its just not entirely coherent, well organized or complete. A lot of poking around and learn by doing, patching together threads that document how things work ect...
Here is my suggestion:
Follow the second link posted by simms22 above, this one here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/general/noob-read-adb-fastboot-how-help-t3006500
Go here: https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images?hl=en
And download the latest image for your phone (shamu, the images at the bottom of the list are most recent. All carriers currently use same build, unless your on tmobile or Fi)
Use some kind of unzipping program (not sure if winrar can do .tgz, if not just google "Windows .tgz") to decompress the image you download. This will have a few .img files in it and a .zip Unzip the .zip for the rest of the partition images for the phone.
With these you can use fastboot to re-format partition to stock.
Here is an older guide, while devices may vary a little... and things have changed since 2011, were still mostly talking about system, boot, recovery, data....
http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile...plained-boot-system-recovery-data-cache-misc/
I would say read through the above guides thoroughly, then manually update your phone to stock.
You will notice the stock flash-all script will
Code:
fastboot flash bootloader bootloader-shamu-moto-apq8084-71.10.img
fastboot reboot-bootloader
ping -n 5 127.0.0.1 >nul
fastboot flash radio radio-shamu-d4.0-9625-02.101.img
fastboot reboot-bootloader
ping -n 5 127.0.0.1 >nul
fastboot -w update image-shamu-lmy48m.zip
You probably don't want to do all this... You will notice the last command I showed is fastboot -w update image-shamu-lmy48m.zip (assuming you downloaded the lmy48m image)
We already unzipped this, so rather then flash it in bulk (flashing userdata.img will wipe device) lets flash everything but leave data in place.
So get fastboot working, go to bootloader, and as the script does
With fastboot:
Flash the bootloader
then use fastboot to reboot, to the bootloader
flash the radio
then use fastboot to reboot to the bootloader
then fasboot flash system, recovery, boot and cache images, skipping userdata to avoid wiping the sd card.
At this point reboot. It may take a while for the first boot as android sets itself up and optimizing applications. If things appear to be hung give it 10 minutes before forcing a reboot checking your images and trying again. Pay attention to the output of the commands and make sure there are no errors. If there are read them, and google them.
Now you should be able to boot, and you will be fully stock. This is what it takes to recover from almost any situation. Often you can just flash system to update. Boot will overwrite your kernel, so it is often skipped when custom kernels are used... particularly when not encrypted.
Now find the website for twrp and find the image for your device, then go back to bootloader mode and flash recovery, after flashing reboot directly to recovery.
Also find chainfire's website with the recovery flashable supersu (should be a .zip)
Make sure the supersu install zip is on your phone, and the recovery is on your computer.
Reboot to bootloader and fastboot flash twrp to your recovery partition, then immediately reboot to recovery mode to finish the install.
In recovery make a backup of your working stock system.
After that install supersu
Reboot, and you should be stock and rooted with a backup of your completely stock system.
From here if your want to install a rom reboot to recovery, wipe caches, system and data. On future upgrades backup first, and try only wiping system and caches, then flash the new version of the rom and you wont have to set anything back up. You will have to reinstall xposed if your use it, as well as supersu if your rom does not include it for some reason.
If you do all that, read those guides to the point where you understand each step, and read the thread or at least the last hand full of pages of any rom or utility that you use... Things should work pretty good.
It so easy for some to assume user error, the phone might be a defective I know hate the layout of mine, and out of 13 android phones currently this d*m thing is the only one that freezes on me and will not show up in Linux (two versions) or windows 7 and it still stock. I have hated the phone from day two and tried very hard to use it stock for as long i could. I finally said screw it and went back to my old lg g flex till just died.. I wish i could sell this...but I am stuck trying to make it work. still cant even make it show up in any os and that makes it a bit hard to do anything (and yes my USB ports and drivers and cables are fine i have checked)
And likewise to this post , useless as well
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nevermind
simms22 said:
nevermind
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:laugh: :laugh:
Was going to post, and had this thought also....
btw JJD loves his N6 and his speakers Rock!
#nuffsaid
Nexus 6 ftw!
disturb1 said:
It so easy for some to assume user error, the phone might be a defective I know hate the layout of mine, and out of 13 android phones currently this d*m thing is the only one that freezes on me and will not show up in Linux (two versions) or windows 7 and it still stock. I have hated the phone from day two and tried very hard to use it stock for as long i could. I finally said screw it and went back to my old lg g flex till just died.. I wish i could sell this...but I am stuck trying to make it work. still cant even make it show up in any os and that makes it a bit hard to do anything (and yes my USB ports and drivers and cables are fine i have checked)
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It is user error.
SOME hardware is bad... But people like to view their phones as these temperamental beasts that "need to settle" and "all have their own intricacies"
Its a computer. Is this the way we look at laptops?
Two, or two hundred version of linux... Doesn't really matter because linux is a kernel and MTP implementation is handled separately. Not Nexus' fault that you didn't configure linux correctly, or that you expected someone else to do it for you for free, and they didn't do it either.
What file manager do you use, and did you have gvfs-mtp or kio-mtp installed?
What utilities were you using to mount the mtp drive?
These instructions are for arch linux, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MTP#simple-mtpfs (I use simple mtpfs), adapt them to your distro, find your distros documentation.
But then you don't really need it to show up in the OS? Does fastboot recognize it? Have you installed udev rules for it?
ok, thanks for all the input. I will give the nexus 6 a try again, root it. Can anyone point me to a custom rom that is somewhat close to stock?
I like Pure Nexus
scryan said:
It is user error.
SOME hardware is bad... But people like to view their phones as these temperamental beasts that "need to settle" and "all have their own intricacies"
Its a computer. Is this the way we look at laptops?
Two, or two hundred version of linux... Doesn't really matter because linux is a kernel and MTP implementation is handled separately. Not Nexus' fault that you didn't configure linux correctly, or that you expected someone else to do it for you for free, and they didn't do it
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Not sure if I just have issues with lollipop or the hardware and lollipop
I have it rooted now and also still hate it I don't have the sound issues that some have but freezing was a constant with nexus T-Mobile stock ROM or maybe I have a lucky lemon ether way
I don't blame others or look to others to do my rooting rom installation or themes nor do I assume that it the phone every time all I am saying is we need to stop blaming every confused user as noob and assume people are not trying to learn
I been here 3 years but I lurk and learn and move on but I constantly see issues of flaming it is sad ...I see your reply and that fact that you offered help is what I like to see what I would offer if I knew an answer..
Honestly I am just not a fan of the phone but I made my bed and in it I must... hack at it till I am happy...

Need help rooting Nexus 6 on 6.0.0

I want to root my Nexus 6 running stock android 6.0.0 but not sure exactly how to do it. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
dbzturtle said:
I want to root my Nexus 6 running stock android 6.0.0 but not sure exactly how to do it. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
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Chainfire just released a new root for mm, http://www.xda-developers.com/chainfire-releases-root-for-android-6-0-without-modifying-system/
Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk
blueyes said:
Chainfire just released a new root for mm, http://www.xda-developers.com/chainfire-releases-root-for-android-6-0-without-modifying-system/
Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk
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It says that it's experimental and will likely have bugs. is there a stable way to root? If not I don't mind waiting until there is.
dbzturtle said:
It says that it's experimental and will likely have bugs. is there a stable way to root? If not I don't mind waiting until there is.
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Fastboot flash twrp, and then flash 2.52superuser.sip in recovery. Look up wugfresh Nexus root toolkit, it'll explain the process.
Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk
I rooted my N6 on Android 6.0 with 2.52 weeks ago and it's absolutely fine - I've seen no problems at all. The "experimental" mention is a disclaimer to cover Chainfire in case you have problems - a very sensible warning in my opinion, but in this case you can probably ignore it.
And I agree with blueyes - Nexus Root Toolkit is pretty much idiot-proof as long as you read the instructions and in particular choose the correct ROM.
dahawthorne said:
I rooted my N6 on Android 6.0 with 2.52 weeks ago and it's absolutely fine - I've seen no problems at all. The "experimental" mention is a disclaimer to cover Chainfire in case you have problems - a very sensible warning in my opinion, but in this case you can probably ignore it.
And I agree with blueyes - Nexus Root Toolkit is pretty much idiot-proof as long as you read the instructions and in particular choose the correct ROM.
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The problem with using toolkits when they are "idiot-proof" is that if you go into the process as an idiot, you leave the process still an idiot, so if something goes wrong with the device at a later date, the user has not got the skills to fix it, which becomes a problem on these forums as rather than telling someone how to fix it, we also have to teach the skills that should already have been learned.
Toolkits are great if you know what they're doing but if you dont, use fastboot the first time to get an understanding of it and also to ensure you know it is working on your computer correctly. It's easier to troubleshoot PC configurations when the device is fully working rather than waiting until it is "broken"
"you leave the process still an idiot"
I'll take that in the spirit I think you meant it...
Sure, point taken, but the problem with telling someone to start learning to use tools they don't understand is that this forum ends up with a flood of "I've bricked my device" posts. I agree that the manual way is useful for resolving problems, and I don't use NRT for everything - I'd say maybe 50% of the time for installing a brand new factory ROM, and the rest of the time using ADB/Fastboot for stuff I (think I) understand.
I just think that if someone has taken the time and trouble to give me the commands typed perfectly in the correct order and proven to work, why would I risk typing them in maybe in the wrong order or accidentally installing an image into the wrong partition? My own stupid fault, sure, but why take the long way round instead of the simple straight proven path?
Just sayin'...
dahawthorne said:
"you leave the process still an idiot"
I'll take that in the spirit I think you meant it...
Sure, point taken, but the problem with telling someone to start learning to use tools they don't understand is that this forum ends up with a flood of "I've bricked my device" posts. I agree that the manual way is useful for resolving problems, and I don't use NRT for everything - I'd say maybe 50% of the time for installing a brand new factory ROM, and the rest of the time using ADB/Fastboot for stuff I (think I) understand.
I just think that if someone has taken the time and trouble to give me the commands typed perfectly in the correct order and proven to work, why would I risk typing them in maybe in the wrong order or accidentally installing an image into the wrong partition? My own stupid fault, sure, but why take the long way round instead of the simple straight proven path?
Just sayin'...
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It's not really the long way round. Once everything is installed, its as quick if not quicker. And as I said, you need all this installed for ongoing maintenance anyway so may as well do this whilst your device is working.
You can't brick your device by flashing to the wrong partition so there are no floods of posts from people doing things manually at all. .if you flash to the wrong partition,.just flash to the right partition. It's not rocket science either. If you flash a radio, flash it to the radio partition. If you flash system, flash it to the system partition. ...and if you type something wrong, it won't do anything at all.
Fastboot is well documented (by me and others) in the general forum. People should feel free to nude toolkits once they have learned it, but noobs should definitely learn it and use it the first time for the reasons I have already mentioned.
To root is so simple.
1. In fastboot, use
"fastboot oem unlock"
2. In fastboot, flash a custom twrp recovery image
"fastboot flash recovery twrp.img "
3. If marshamallow, flash a custom boot.img to allow it to be rooted
"fastboot flash boot boot.img"
4. Copy SuperSU to sdcard
5. Flash SuperSU zip from recovery
Once these steps have been carried out, you've used fastboot, know how it works and also have proof your computer has working fastboot. That ticks essential boxes.that every root user needs to have ticked. Once they're ticked, use toolkits to your hearts desire.
The worst thing about noobs using toolkits is when we need them to use fastboot when helping with their issues, they don't know what it is and we have to teach them that. We also need to troubleshoot setting it up which can be extremely hard if their device is bricked or in a state of needing repair. 10 minutes learning now can help prevent hours of wasting our time later. Surely it's only being courteous to learn these things ?
Where can I find a custom boot image ? I'm asking because I'm rooted but every time I try to go into recovery it ask me for a password
getmoneygreen said:
Where can I find a custom boot image ? I'm asking because I'm rooted but every time I try to go into recovery it ask me for a password
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If you're encrypted, recovery will always ask you for a password. If you've set a password in android, you use that..if you have not set a password in android, you use the default twrp password.
I am an Android Noob! My first Android devices were the Nexus Player and the Nexus 6. (I came from iPhones and Apple TV) It did not take me long at all to learn how to use fastboot and adb. I manually flashed my Nexus 6 and Nexus Player to 6.0 before the OTAs were rolling out no problem. I have root on both of my devices.
My point is, if I can learn how to do this in a matter of a day (I have not had my Nexus 6 a full month yet) You can learn how to do it as well. There are tons of guides out there on how to do all of this. Google is your friend. You will feel awesome and have a sense of accomplishment if you take the time to learn this stuff. It is easy to learn, not hard at all! I come from a pretty extensive tech background so I was a step ahead, but anyone can do / learn this stuff.
There are toolkits that can do this stuff for you pretty much. I have not downloaded or used one myself. I don't trust someone else's code with my device. That's just me though. I like to feel in control when I flash stuff.
@danarama
"Surely it's only being courteous to learn these things ?"
I know that it's all too easy to be taken wrong when writing a post, so I'll say up front that I'm serious - thanks for posting those steps. I've watched the NRT run through its steps a number of times and it clearly does a lot more than this, which is why i'm glad that it's doing the typing for me
I have used your steps when flashing various things, I've just never used them for a ROM upgrade - except once when I was trying to recover a broken-radio N5 and was installing Chroma.
One value at least of the NRT for noobs is its help in setting up your PC's drivers - that alone is a good reason to look at it.
Just for interest, what would happen if I flashed recovery into the radio partition? Or the boot partition?
Seriously, thanks for these steps - I appreciate it.
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@danarama
"Surely it's only being courteous to learn these things ?"
I know that it's all too easy to be taken wrong when writing a post, so I'll say up front that I'm serious - thanks for posting those steps. I've watched the NRT run through its steps a number of times and it clearly does a lot more than this, which is why i'm glad that it's doing the typing for me
I have used your steps when flashing various things, I've just never used them for a ROM upgrade - except once when I was trying to recover a broken-radio N5 and was installing Chroma.
One value at least of the NRT for noobs is its help in setting up your PC's drivers - that alone is a good reason to look at it.
Just for interest, what would happen if I flashed recovery into the radio partition? Or the boot partition?
Seriously, thanks for these steps - I appreciate it.
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Radio may boot but won't connect to a network.
Boot is the kernel so it won't boot without it (bootloop)
Both can be fixed by flashing the correct image to the correct partition.
The images in the factory image are appropriately labelled too, so it would be difficult to flash to the wrong partition without realizing it was wrong.. Eg
"fastboot flash radio boot.img" looks wrong when you have radio.img too.
Thanks, danarama. I suppose that's the point I was trying to make at the top - that if you're a bit of a thicko then you could flash to the wrong partition, which a predefined script won't. As long as it's recoverable, no problem, but I remember the pumping heart and breathlessness as I watched my devices on several occasions sitting with the boot animation for 10-15 minutes and thinking "What the hell do I do now?"
I know I'm hijacking this thread (sorry...) but is there anything you can think of that would definitely hard-brick my device if I'm being thick or careless? I've never managed it, and maybe as Android progresses it's becoming harder to hard-brick, but is there ever a time when I need to think "There's no way back from this one"?
danarama said:
If you're encrypted, recovery will always ask you for a password. If you've set a password in android, you use that..if you have not set a password in android, you use the default twrp password.
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Thank for the heads up really appreciate that. BTW what is the default password for twrp
getmoneygreen said:
Thank for the heads up really appreciate that. BTW what is the default password for twrp
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Not sure, Im not encrypted. But its documented somewhere by twrp dev. Maybe on their site or in their thread

Issues after trying to Root : Bootloader Code 3 : Soft Bricked?

Using this guy's guide for the Nexus 5 I had no issues, bought a N6 today and was giddy to flash on Cataclysm for N6 and figured might as well use same person's guide for next phone up.
http://www.androidrootz.com/2014/12/how-to-root-nexus-6-windowsmaclinuxubun.html
Was able to unlock bootloader, then installed TWRP but now am getting the 'corrupt phone' message, however unlike others like I have read on XDA, am unable to boot up by just letting it sit. Screen turns off and that's that. Before beginning entire process I enabled "enable/allow oem unlocking". I'm assuming that when the phone factory resets after the bootloader unlock I need to go back in and recheck 'allow oem unlock' in dev options, but I didn't as I assume/ed that it wasn't necessary and the guide doesn't tell you to.
Tried relocking the bootloader to maybe get phone to open up, but terminal tells me that I need to have 'allow oem unlock' checked. Nice Catch-22 http://puu.sh/moOUf/d0f8fa9050.png
Tried formatting data from within TWRP and factory resetting/wiping everything but it tells me that it is unable to mount '/data'
Have since tried WugsToolkit and flashing to stock with 'softbricked' option enabled the shamu-mmb29k-fact....tgz image that I downloaded and imported myself into Wugs (was taking 10 minutes to dl 1%). That seemed to work and told me it was a success, however when I then went back to re-enable the bootloader via wugs it fails and reboots with the lock sign still open and boots again onto 'corruption' screen that then flashes off and turns phone off, left it for 30 minutes at one point and didn't boot so don't think I'm lucky enough to be able to sit if through like others who had that issue
Where to go from here? Really hoping I didn't brick this phone less that 3 hours after getting it. I can still boot and see the Google screen and can get onto the bootloader and used to be able to get into recovery (since wugs have been getting the android with red triangle)
Been rooting/rom'ing since day one that I've had androids. Had a Samsung Apollo with CM on it, same for the Nexus S, then the Galaxy Nexus, then the N5 and looks like my chain of no issues ended tonight
Anything you can do for guys would be greatly appreciated. No clue where to go from here....
So from what I gathered, I think you are in luck. It sounds like your bootloader is unlocked. This is a very good thing. Under no circumstances do you want to try to re lock it right now or do you ever when stuck not being able to boot or any issues like that. If you lock it while stuck, thats when you are soft bricked. If I remember correctly, I got myself in the same situation , although maybe with out a custom recovery installed. None of that matters though. The way to fix this is to reflash the the factory image. Here are the guides for that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_m6bYNKrXQ
This is the video I used the first time. A bit rough but, It did the job.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hao_Yf-gaw
Here is a bit of a nicer one. I used it the second time around.
and lastly here is an xda post http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/general/guide-flash-factory-images-nexus-6shamu-t2954008
I would recommend reading and watching all of these and maybe doing more research so you really knows whats going on. The flash-all script is not going to work from what I've read and I've always done it manual so go with that. It may also be a good idea to keep the custom recovery, so look into to keeping that. Maybe it is as simple as not erasing the recovery partition and not flashing the recovery image. This is what should save your nexus.
Now, I am fairly new to the Rooting and ROMming, really only started 2 months ago, so I would really appreciate if any of the more experienced guys on XDA can confirm what I said. Please don't try any of this without confirmation from another member here, I do not want to be responsible for sending your device past the point of no return. I recently had to order a new Nexus 6 as the screen is dead, so I know it's frustrating to have that loss. In your case, as long as that boot loader is unlocked, you should be safe. Best of luck to you.
DO NOT RELOCK THE BOOTLOADER!!!!! I cannot emphasize how critical it is that you do not relock the bootloader, given the position you are in. If you somehow manage to relock the bootloader and "enable OEM unlock" is toggled off and Android will not boot (even after attempting a factory reset), then you are 100% bricked with no way to fix your phone. Personally, I leave my bootloader unlocked 100% of the time so that I can fix anything that may go wrong with my phone. Additionally, I (as well as many other users on here) will always advise against using Wug's or any other toolkit in order to do stuff to your phone. While they do provide a nice GUI as well as an easy way to install the necessary drivers, using the regular platform-tools command line method isn't all that hard to figure out, and it allows you to know exactly what you have done to your phone. With Wug's and the like, you never really know what commands that they are running and exactly at what point in the process a flash may fail. Right now, I would advise you to read up on using the platform-tools method to flash stock images. After you have all of the necessary drivers, platform-tools, etc. working properly on your computer, I would strongly advise that you download MMB29S (the latest official update) from the Google Developer page and flash it using the platform-tools method, NOT with Wug's. And whatever you do, I repeat, DO NOT LOCK YOUR BOOTLOADER!
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So from what I gathered, I think you are in luck. It sounds like your bootloader is unlocked. This is a very good thing. Under no circumstances do you want to try to re lock it right now or do you ever when stuck not being able to boot or any issues like that. If you lock it while stuck, thats when you are soft bricked. If I remember correctly, I got myself in the same situation , although maybe with out a custom recovery installed. None of that matters though. The way to fix this is to reflash the the factory image. Here are the guides for that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_m6bYNKrXQ
This is the video I used the first time. A bit rough but, It did the job.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hao_Yf-gaw
Here is a bit of a nicer one. I used it the second time around.
and lastly here is an xda post http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/general/guide-flash-factory-images-nexus-6shamu-t2954008
I would recommend reading and watching all of these and maybe doing more research so you really knows whats going on. The flash-all script is not going to work from what I've read and I've always done it manual so go with that. It may also be a good idea to keep the custom recovery, so look into to keeping that. Maybe it is as simple as not erasing the recovery partition and not flashing the recovery image. This is what should save your nexus.
Now, I am fairly new to the Rooting and ROMming, really only started 2 months ago, so I would really appreciate if any of the more experienced guys on XDA can confirm what I said. Please don't try any of this without confirmation from another member here, I do not want to be responsible for sending your device past the point of no return. I recently had to order a new Nexus 6 as the screen is dead, so I know it's frustrating to have that loss. In your case, as long as that boot loader is unlocked, you should be safe. Best of luck to you.
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Regarding the flash-all script, my friend and I just used the script included with MMB29S and it worked fine. In addition, I was able to use the one with MMB29K, MRA58K and MRA58R, all of which worked fine. I'm not sure if these scripts always work for some users and never work for others, but I always recommend that people who are new to flashing simply try them, as they are quite convenient when they work. In addition, I have only been in the rooting and ROMing scene for about a month or two as well, but I would consider myself pretty seasoned by now considering all the different ROMs, rooting methods, etc. that I have tried. All the advice that you gave to the OP is excellent and I agree with it all.
matthew2926 said:
Regarding the flash-all script, my friend and I just used the script included with MMB29S and it worked fine. In addition, I was able to use the one with MMB29K, MRA58K and MRA58R, all of which worked fine. I'm not sure if these scripts always work for some users and never work for others, but I always recommend that people who are new to flashing simply try them, as they are quite convenient when they work. In addition, I have only been in the rooting and ROMing scene for about a month or two as well, but I would consider myself pretty seasoned by now considering all the different ROMs, rooting methods, etc. that I have tried. All the advice that you gave to the OP is excellent and I agree with it all.
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Thank you. I always wanted to try the flash-all script but, I ahve read a few places it wouldn't work and haven't had the chance to give it a try lately. When my new device arrives in a day or two, I'll give it a shot. Thanks for the confirmation, makes me feel good knowing I'm starting to get the hang of this stuff
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Thank you. I always wanted to try the flash-all script but, I ahve read a few places it wouldn't work and haven't had the chance to give it a try lately. When my new device arrives in a day or two, I'll give it a shot. Thanks for the confirmation, makes me feel good knowing I'm starting to get the hang of this stuff
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No problem! It's too bad to hear about your device but at least you got a new one on the way. There is really no harm to at least trying the flash-all script. It will either work and save you time or fail halfway through and force you to flash everything manually.
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Thank you. I always wanted to try the flash-all script but, I ahve read a few places it wouldn't work and haven't had the chance to give it a try lately. When my new device arrives in a day or two, I'll give it a shot. Thanks for the confirmation, makes me feel good knowing I'm starting to get the hang of this stuff
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Flash-all script is still broken, flash the img files individualy in fastboot.
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Flash-all script is still broken, flash the img files individualy in fastboot.
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You guys are life savers, thank you so much
Got it to work after I was getting ready to phone it in and bring it to a repair shop and eat whatever the charge might've been

Nexus 6 Rooted and Unlocked and now new Feb OTA - Pls guide

Nexus 6 Rooted and Unlocked and now new Feb OTA - Pls guide
Dear Friends,
I am currently having Nexus 6 with Build Number MMB29S which is rooted unlocked. Last time I had to wipe clean Nexus 6 just to update to this build. The nexus toolkit was somehow not working for me.
Now I see again that there is an OTA called Feb Security update for android 6.0.1.
I really don’t want to flash factory image bcz it will overwrite everything and erase all. Last time was a bad exp.
Kindly help.
Reformatting and again restoring is too much of pain.
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Have you tried WugFresh's Nexus Root Tool (NRT)? Backup your device via recovery, and save your backup in a safe location like your PC.
Then use NRT "no wipe' install.
I've rooted everything starting with the OG Droid and beyond; so now days I don't bother rooting by hand unless I have to, and if someone has a good tool I use it. I'm a big fan of Wug's NRT the only time it gave me any trouble was during the transition to M.
If the OP doesn't have the experience to be able to resolve problems that might crop up in the process of using a rootkit like the WugFresh tool like you apparently do, you shouldn't be recommending the rootkit tool to the OP. He should instead have a properly working ADB/Fastboot setup and issue the commands manually.
Assuming your bootloader is still unlocked, flashing from factory image should not wipe your data (just make sure you don't flash userdata.img). I don't use NRT, but I'm told it does have the option to flash factory image without wiping your data (again, assuming your bootloader is still unlocked).
If your bootloader is locked, you have no option but to unlock it (which will wipe your device). Bite the bullet and do it - and don't lock your bootloader after that. Mark it as a lesson learned
Edit: I'd urge you to learn using fastboot directly, instead of using the toolkit. That way, you'd know exactly what step does what. It really is not that hard - read the sticky threads about how to flash using fastboot. It is fairly straightforward, and more importantly, you'll know what you are doing.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=65136208&postcount=13
excellent thank you
however need help i last two steps
followd word by word
If it were me, I'd welcome the suggestion to use NRT, so I think he should be recommending the rootkit tool to the OP.
@aiiee: Seriously? Nexus phones are the easiest to root and modify, requiring nothing more than ADB, Fastboot, and the drivers for the device. Rootkits are complete rubbish for a Nexus device. All they do is automate a process that you can do yourself, simply by using your head, and a keyboard.
Since using a rootkit doesn't actually teach you how to root the device, if you encounter a problem using one, what will you do? Will you be like most everyone else who uses one and come to XDA begging for help because you couldn't be bothered to learn how to do it the right way? Or will you be a smart one and figure out the solution to the problem by doing research?
The best solution is to ask yourself first what root is and whether you really need it. If you determine to yourself that you do need root, then you start reading threads in the forum, and start learning about the proper root processes for this device. When you not only have read everything, but also have understood it, then and only then do you attempt the procedure yourself.
Under no circumstances should anyone be recommending a rootkit. Everyone should know how to use ADB and Fastboot to do the job. It doesn't take long and it's really simple to do.
meh, I just don't like your strident tone. And your argument doesn't hold any water. If I get in trouble with a rootkit, then I can learn what it does. To listen to you we should all build our own cars in case they break down. ehhh, not so much you know?
I know several people on this forum who would disagree with you regarding said argument not holding water. But frankly, what you think about me or my argument is irrelevant. Rooting is serious business, period. While it is possible to brick a device using either Fastboot or a rootkit, by learning everything you possibly can about how it's done through use of the tools Google provides, you have a chance of reviving your device. Otherwise, you're coming here to beg for help.
@Strephorn Alkaholi, not a fan of the "begging" comments, and frankly what you think of me or my argument is also irrelevant. Isn't that nice?
Not a fan of the begging comments? Too damn bad. This is XDA Developers, not XDA Help-me-because-I-can't-be-bothered-to-learn-how-to-properly-root-my-device.
I can dismiss your opinion because you provide no solid reasoning to back it up. Meanwhile, not only do I provide a reason, I provide methodology which happens to follow site rules, which happens to be "search before you post."
Don't bother replying, as you and another poster in this forum have reaffirmed my belief that humanity in general is a parasite that has become larger than the host.
wow

Boot-loader Flashing vs. using Flashfire

(originally posted in the flashfire threads, but it was suggested I post here)
My apologies if this has already been covered (I could not find an answer in searching)
I appreciate that it can be dangerous to use flashfire to flash the bootloader partition and that one should use fastboot. My question is:
If I download a FW package and the bootloader has changed, what happens if I flash to the kernel, system, cache, vendor etc... and do not flash to bootloader and radio? Will the flash fail; will the phone soft brick; will nothing happen and I can go merrily along?
The question derives from this: If the phone can become unusable with a mismatched bootload and radio to the rest of the images, it would require to unpack the package and check for a version prior to flashing other partitions (so I assume). If I go that far, would it not be easier to not use flashfire and simply manually flash the required files when updates are available?
Thanks
N6, unlocked and rooted (previously always updating latest patches and rerooting myself (using TWRP), but wishing to try flashire)
RLBL said:
(originally posted in the flashfire threads, but it was suggested I post here)
My apologies if this has already been covered (I could not find an answer in searching)
I appreciate that it can be dangerous to use flashfire to flash the bootloader partition and that one should use fastboot. My question is:
If I download a FW package and the bootloader has changed, what happens if I flash to the kernel, system, cache, vendor etc... and do not flash to bootloader and radio? Will the flash fail; will the phone soft brick; will nothing happen and I can go merrily along?
The question derives from this: If the phone can become unusable with a mismatched bootload and radio to the rest of the images, it would require to unpack the package and check for a version prior to flashing other partitions (so I assume). If I go that far, would it not be easier to not use flashfire and simply manually flash the required files when updates are available?
Thanks
N6, unlocked and rooted (previously always updating latest patches and rerooting myself (using TWRP), but wishing to try flashire)
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it is really rare that a bootloader flash is required, and a radio update is never required. if you dont flash them, then you just dont flash them, thats all.
I'd add that going to a major update you'll want to pay close attention. The bootloader probably will need updating. e.g. lollipop to MM, the bootloader had to be updated.
The radio is optional and often with trial and error, you'll find a particular one that for your hardware, in your area, you get the best signal. There is a thread with N6 flashable radios here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3066052.
Had you posted that you had an N6 in your original post, I'd have helped you, because that's what I use
ktmom said:
I'd add that going to a major update you'll want to pay close attention. The bootloader probably will need updating. e.g. lollipop to MM, the bootloader had to be updated.
The radio is optional and often with trial and error, you'll find a particular one that for your hardware, in your area, you get the best signal. There is a thread with N6 flashable radios.
Had you posted that you had an N6 in your original post, I'd have helped you, because that's what I use
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both mm a lollipop, i never updated my bootloader. i did update it after mm though.
ktmom said:
I'd add that going to a major update you'll want to pay close attention. The bootloader probably will need updating. e.g. lollipop to MM, the bootloader had to be updated.
The radio is optional and often with trial and error, you'll find a particular one that for your hardware, in your area, you get the best signal. There is a thread with N6 flashable radios here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3066052.
Had you posted that you had an N6 in your original post, I'd have helped you, because that's what I use
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Oh That looks interesting. My Cellular signal sucks even though I am supposedly close to some towers. I am going to try using flashfire with these (hope I don't brick myself lol)
So I assume that when N comes out officially and I need to change bootloaders, I would do so via fasboot, then afterwards I can the the updates via fashfire.
RLBL said:
Oh That looks interesting. My Cellular signal sucks even though I am supposedly close to some towers. I am going to try using flashfire with these (hope I don't brick myself lol)
So I assume that when N comes out officially and I need to change bootloaders, I would do so via fasboot, then afterwards I can the the updates via fashfire.
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all the radios, and bootloaders, are available in flashable zip for here on xda as well. to flash via twrp recovery
simms22 said:
all the radios, and bootloaders, are available in flashable zip for here on xda as well. to flash via twrp recovery
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Cool... But I only used TWRP to flash the SU binaries to root. Now that I am rooted, I figured I could simply go back to stock recovery* and use flashfire going forward.
* I figured that because I had no other use for for a custom recovery presently, I may as well stay completely stock and rooted. Furthermore, from my understanding (which can be wrong) I no longer need a custom recovery to flash/install anything, as flashfire can do it all. Of course that brings one to ask "why am I rooted if I am staying stock?". I root my device so I can simulate a power button press without cancelling smart lock operations (either through tasker shell keyevent, gravity screen, or nova prime swipe gesture). I like not having to use the buttons on my phone
Why get rid of custom recovery? Just leave it and keep a backup on hand, then when there is an issue with basically anything you can just restore your backup instead of freaking out and running here using caps and exclamation marks asking how to fix.
scryan said:
Why get rid of custom recovery? Just leave it and keep a backup on hand, then when there is an issue with basically anything you can just restore your backup instead of freaking out and running here using caps and exclamation marks asking how to fix.
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1 - why use a custom recovery if I do not need to (serious question, not being confrontational - see below)
2 - I totally know how to flash to whatever I want without using any toolkits (and ofc using a custom recovery)
3 - Why would one assume that one panics? (just because I have a low post count and admittedly an Android noob - N6 1st phone - does not mean I am an idiot)
4 - Considering I am not using custom ROMs and staying stock, I would think the likelihood of things going wrong is low (could be totally wrong there lol but I have done everything myself manually since the get go (never even taken an OTA for my upgrades), and never had 1 issue as of yet. This post was a general question in nature. It was not posted because I needed something to be fixed)
If I do not need it, why have it: I am experimenting to see if I can use FF completely stock (and rooted). Please provide some rationale as to why I should keep a custom recovery so I can evaluate (you may be 100% right). The point is: from my understanding one can use FF without a custom recovery so why not try... so far, so good.
On backups: be aware (not that you should care, but you did comment)... I have nothing on my phone that requires backing up at that... I can completely wipe the phone and it only takes time to do a google restore and I am back to where I am (been there, done that. Annoying for time though lol but I have no data on the phone safe from tasker profiles which are on my google drive and easily restored).
And what happens when you flash a bootloader and something screws up? You can't fix it from the stock recovery menu, now can you. So what not have something useful on the recovery partition for that 1 and 1000 chance something goes wrong.... Just my opinion, being I've been flashing phones since the first Android device was released on T-Mobile. The g1 (still have and still flash Roms
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RLBL said:
1 - why use a custom recovery if I do not need to (serious question, not being confrontational - see below)
2 - I totally know how to flash to whatever I want without using any toolkits (and ofc using a custom recovery)
3 - Why would one assume that one panics? (just because I have a low post count and admittedly an Android noob - N6 1st phone - does not mean I am an idiot)
4 - Considering I am not using custom ROMs and staying stock, I would think the likelihood of things going wrong is low (could be totally wrong there lol but I have done everything myself manually since the get go (never even taken an OTA for my upgrades), and never had 1 issue as of yet. This post was a general question in nature. It was not posted because I needed something to be fixed)
If I do not need it, why have it: I am experimenting to see if I can use FF completely stock (and rooted). Please provide some rationale as to why I should keep a custom recovery so I can evaluate (you may be 100% right). The point is: from my understanding one can use FF without a custom recovery so why not try... so far, so good.
On backups: be aware (not that you should care, but you did comment)... I have nothing on my phone that requires backing up at that... I can completely wipe the phone and it only takes time to do a google restore and I am back to where I am (been there, done that. Annoying for time though lol but I have no data on the phone safe from tasker profiles which are on my google drive and easily restored).
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1. the only one important thing about having twrp installed.. backups and restores. before dlashing or changing anything, i akways create a backup in twrp. if something doesnt work out, you can always restore your backup, as ive done many many times. its a quicky fix it.
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And what happens when you flash a bootloader and something screws up? You can't fix it from the stock recovery menu, now can you. So what not have something useful on the recovery partition for that 1 and 1000 chance something goes wrong.... Just my opinion, being I've been flashing phones since the first Android device was released on T-Mobile. The g1 (still have and still flash Roms
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I think that was the whole point of my post was it not? What happens if you DON'T flash a bootloader while using FF (but in the case where it did change)? And like I said, in the 1/1000 chance that something does go wrong and I did not have a backup: Flash the complete package via adb? Like I said, I have nothing to backup, thus nothing to recover. Not saying I shouldn't, just saying I don't. I only used TWRP to gain root access, nothing more (no custom ROMs, kernels, optimizations, anything on my phone...not even local app data saves - I am one of those old farts who uses their phone as a PDA with phone capabilities and that is it. All "data" is cloud based for calendar info etc.)
It was a relatively simple (general) question around some experimentation I am doing to see if it would work if one was completely stock (safe from root); did not think it would turn in an philosophical argument on whether or not one should use a stock recovery (which I have been using a custom up until yesterday, but was thinking about putting it back on this evening anyways, just because)
Anyways, got my answer... thx
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1. the only one important thing about having twrp installed.. backups and restores. before dlashing or changing anything, i akways create a backup in twrp. if something doesnt work out, you can always restore your backup, as ive done many many times. its a quicky fix it.
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Thanks!... Obviously when I do venture into more with the phone I will do that. Currently it is a work and personal device so the only thing I do is flash Google stock builds instead of waiting for OTAs. Not saying I should not have a backup, but I don't. Only once after the 1st flash I re-locked the bootloader (as per instructions). What I waste of time; but it did show me that in a non-efficient disaster recovery, I can get everything back to where I was.
A restore would have been efficient, but I have found that I really have nothing to back up.. yet.
I guess a (off-topic) question I have for you is: What and Why did things not work out? In my case where I am only flashing stock loads (not waiting for OTAs), what could one anticipate going wrong that a re-flash could not recover from, but a restore could? Example a write corruption of a partition and the only thing I can do is boot into recovery as my PC cannot see the phone via adb? Can something like that happen?
Backing up system is what saves your a**
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Backing up system is what saves your a**
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cool... but... what if you are stock? Save my ass from what? Will a (re)flash of stock binaries not suffice?
Look I appreciate I am sounding argumentative, but I am curious to understand what can happen and why. I can understand the "need" to do it if customizing a device etc... but I am very curious as to why if you are stock:
example:
A stock user unlocks his bootloader so they can flash files straight from google be it OTAs or the complete package. It is not listed anywhere to have a custom recovery in their instructions which would lead one to believe it is not required if flashing said files... I assume something could go wrong of course and the most efficient way is to do a restore from backup... but I also assume one could simply re-flash and start over.
I am not devaluating the merits of a custom recovery; I was just curious if one could use (easily) flash fire without one - and one can. The purpose of the question was two-fold:
- because I was flashing stock, then reflashing twrp to get root I found the process longer than it needed to be so I thought I could use flashfire and have it do it for me.
- then I realized that flashing re-roots as well so I did not need to flash the custom recovery to obtain root. I thought "hey what if I accidentally checked "recovery" and accidentally went back to stock. No harm done as I can move on and still be rooted.
Not sure my butt needs saving to ask. You may be doing something that having backups is a good and safe idea... what if you are not? No harm in still using a custom of course, but it was just a question (I ask such questions so I know in advance why something happened and what to do so I do not come running to forums in all caps as someone else said lol)
off topic: If one has nothing to backup, what is there to restore?
RLBL said:
cool... but... what if you are stock? Save my ass from what? Will a (re)flash of stock binaries not suffice?
Look I appreciate I am sounding argumentative, but I am curious to understand what can happen and why. I can understand the "need" to do it if customizing a device etc... but I am very curious as to why if you are stock:
example:
A stock user unlocks his bootloader so they can flash files straight from google be it OTAs or the complete package. It is not listed anywhere to have a custom recovery in their instructions which would lead one to believe it is not required if flashing said files... I assume something could go wrong of course and the most efficient way is to do a restore from backup... but I also assume one could simply re-flash and start over.
I am not devaluating the merits of a custom recovery; I was just curious if one could use (easily) flash fire without one - and one can. The purpose of the question was two-fold:
- because I was flashing stock, then reflashing twrp to get root I found the process longer than it needed to be so I thought I could use flashfire and have it do it for me.
- then I realized that flashing re-roots as well so I did not need to flash the custom recovery to obtain root. I thought "hey what if I accidentally checked "recovery" and accidentally went back to stock. No harm done as I can move on and still be rooted.
Not sure my butt needs saving to ask. You may be doing something that having backups is a good and safe idea... what if you are not? No harm in still using a custom of course, but it was just a question (I ask such questions so I know in advance why something happened and what to do so I do not come running to forums in all caps as someone else said lol)
off topic: If one has nothing to backup, what is there to restore?
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its all a matter of choice, period.
flashing stock, you dont need to do anything. flashing different mods, custom roms, gapps, or supersu, you need to use twrp recovery. you can even flash twrp to be permenant or flash twrp for a one time use. if you are flashing custom roms/mods regularly, its convieniant to have twrp, if your not it doesnt matter. but the one thing twrp is great for is backing up, in case. and you dont need many back ups, just one recent backup. so you can back up, then get rid of twrp until needed again. anyways, its all a personal choice, and thats all it is. for me, flashing twrp then leaving it makes sense, since ill never ever do anything stock. for you, you have your own needs and wants.
simms22 said:
its all a matter of choice, period.
flashing stock, you dont need to do anything. flashing different mods, custom roms, gapps, or supersu, you need to use twrp recovery. you can even flash twrp to be permenant or flash twrp for a one time use. if you are flashing custom roms/mods regularly, its convieniant to have twrp, if your not it doesnt matter. but the one thing twrp is great for is backing up, in case. and you dont need many back ups, just one recent backup. so you can back up, then get rid of twrp until needed again. anyways, its all a personal choice, and thats all it is. for me, flashing twrp then leaving it makes sense, since ill never ever do anything stock. for you, you have your own needs and wants.
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Thank you for answering the question.
I figure when this phone (or whichever phone) is not my daily driver and no longer linked to sensitive stuff I will start venturing into the domain of custom ROMs and Kernels.
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Thank you for answering the question.
I figure when this phone (or whichever phone) is not my daily driver and no longer linked to sensitive stuff I will start venturing into the domain of custom ROMs and Kernels.
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custom recoveries just make things easier for you, overall, to do stuff. but kernels, that could be the bomb. but you will need to learn about how to use governors/schedulers to make any kind of headways. for example, i use a completely different governor/scheduler(ondemand/deadline) than any other nexus kernel, and i feel that my way makes my phone much better/faster than any other setup. and thats whats important to me
Update: test passed (I knew it would)
With a stock recovery, I was able to use flashfire and upgrade to the latest update and re-root.

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