I'm receiving my Google Pixel 7 tomorrow. I'm coming from Pixel 6 and before coming from a Pixel 4. The last device I rooted was Oneplus 6T and was before the pixels I've got. So, my question is, does it worth root for this device? What would be the benefits nowadays? I've got the pixel 7 from Google unlocked. Thanks in advance
imrock666 said:
I'm receiving my Google Pixel 7 tomorrow. I'm coming from Pixel 6 and before coming from a Pixel 4. The last device I rooted was Oneplus 6T and was before the pixels I've got. So, my question is, does it worth root for this device? What would be the benefits nowadays? I've got the pixel 7 from Google unlocked. Thanks in advance
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To answer your question, I would say it's worth it. You can get system wide AdBlock. Some apps require it like audio mods. You can also get LSPosed and ASOPMods which will give you a bunch of tweaks on the stock rom without having to use a custom ROM, among other things, but in the end it's up to you
Thanks, for the reply. My bad about the miss understanding. The Google pay always it's patched and possibly to use? My question resides since I use it a lot
imrock666 said:
Thanks, for the reply. My bad about the miss understanding. The Google pay always it's patched and possibly to use? My question resides since I use it a lot
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Google Pay might be disabled when you root it though.
imrock666 said:
Thanks, for the reply. My bad about the miss understanding. The Google pay always it's patched and possibly to use? My question resides since I use it a lot
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Im rooted and I have no problem doing payments with the NFC
I think that the people that use XDA are likely to be in favor of rooting, after all they are mostly hackers anyway. I have to say I haven't rooted one of my phones in years, android has gotten so good that most of the features that rooting provided are available without rooting now.
That being said, I think you know the answer. If there is something you want on your phone that you can only get by rooting, then you should root. The Pixel series seems to be very well supported by the community.
Thank you guys for the reply. I've been far from the scene but i know what you say it's right. I'll take a look to the topics to see if I need something that worth root.
AdAway -that's why I root, and it's worth it. I hate ads and a system wide ad blocker is awesome. Also, the AOSP mods module (you can find it on XDA) helps customize a stock rooted device very well.
*But I don't use banking apps, so if you do - root may not be worth the hassle or the security risk.
O.J. Simpson said:
AdAway -that's why I root, and it's worth it. I hate ads and a system wide ad blocker is awesome. Also, the AOSP mods module (you can find it on XDA) helps customize a stock rooted device very well.
*But I don't use banking apps, so if you do - root may not be worth the hassle or the security risk.
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If ad blocking is your main reason to root, you should look into things that can be done via dns from your router to every device in your home no software required. That being said, unlocking the bootloader on my Samsung tablet and pixel experience gsi actually made me appreciate some of the pixels ui. Root doesn't really matter like it used to for me, but in principle I should be allowed admin privilege on a device I paid for.
Thanks, pal. I'm still thinking in rooting the pixel 7. I've just got it but in my opinion has everything you need out of the box. Times are changing now.
imrock666 said:
Thanks, pal. I'm still thinking in rooting the pixel 7. I've just got it but in my opinion has everything you need out of the box. Times are changing now.
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The nice thing regarding rooting are the possible extra functions you may want to add then using modules and apps. I tested many custom ROMs for the Pixel 6 and 7, but always went back to the stock ROM. With many custom ROMs I had problems, bugs and glitches. Now rooted stock plus a custom kernel is my setup of choice.
As you may know, root can be a serious security risk if you don't know what you do or if you f* up badly getting hacked or something like that. And maybe some banking apps and stuff like that won't work with a rooted device, but there's workarounds for that maybe.
I use latest stable Magisk, AdAway to block ads and tracking via systemless hosts file, and App Ops with Sui by Rikka. With App Ops you have advanced permission settings for apps, which is good for privacy.
Using App Ops and AdAway in hosts mode would not be possible without root, and for the Kirisakura Kernel a Magisk module is needed too. Swift backup, which I use for complete backups needs root too for some features.
App Ops and Swift Backup are not FOSS sadly. I wish they were and there are people saying that they can not be trusted if they are not open source. On the other side they are very well implemented apps which just work. So I use them.
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If ad blocking is your main reason to root, you should look into things that can be done via dns from your router to every device in your home no software required. That being said, unlocking the bootloader on my Samsung tablet and pixel experience gsi actually made me appreciate some of the pixels ui. Root doesn't really matter like it used to for me, but in principle I should be allowed admin privilege on a device I paid for.
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Ad blocking isn't my main reason, but thanks for the advice. I've been using AdAway for over a decade and it's a simple solution on the device side of things, and I like to keep things simple. I will look into your solution for my home Wifi network though.
But rooting allows you to add or delete features, so combined with AdAway, a custom kernel, and a few modifications on my stock pixel 7 rom - I have a device that performs better, does what I want when I want, and without obnoxious ads - regardless of the network I'm on
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Ad blocking isn't my main reason, but thanks for the advice. I've been using AdAway for over a decade and it's a simple solution on the device side of things, and I like to keep things simple. I will look into your solution for my home Wifi network though.
But rooting allows you to add or delete features, so combined with AdAway, a custom kernel, and a few modifications on my stock pixel 7 rom - I have a device that performs better, does what I want when I want, and without obnoxious ads - regardless of the network I'm on
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We are on the same page about root privilege. I just figured I'd mention there are other options available if anybody reading this actually is only rooting for ad control.
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We are on the same page about root privilege. I just figured I'd mention there are other options available if anybody reading this actually is only rooting for ad control.
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Sure, one can always stay unrooted and use the non-root mode of AdAway, use adguard DNS ( dns.adguard.com ) or personalDNSfilter e.g. ... During the last years I sometimes used adguard, atm using AdAway with root on my Pixel 7 but on my unrooted Nokia 8010 TV box I use personalDNSfilter (our GUI does not support Android TV very well, but it runs).
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Sure, one can always stay unrooted and use the non-root mode of AdAway, use adguard DNS ( dns.adguard.com ) or personalDNSfilter e.g. ... During the last years I sometimes used adguard, atm using AdAway with root on my Pixel 7 but on my unrooted Nokia 8010 TV box I use personalDNSfilter (our GUI does not support Android TV very well, but it runs).
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I definitely recommend to anybody rooted or not to look into setting up pi hole for network wide host list enforcement. I also recommend a 30 day trial on controld.com . Very versatile and I have been subscribed @4 dollars a month happily. Not trying to shill but I love what can be done with it. And it carries over to your cellular network when you aren't on wifi. Also there's nextdns and Adguard home which are great as well. Controld allows you to change you ip locale like a VPN, without being on VPN. If you do a trial you'll probably want to keep it. Word of warning
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We are on the same page about root privilege. I just figured I'd mention there are other options available if anybody reading this actually is only rooting for ad control.
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Much appreciated. And I guess that's the purpose of forums like this - public discourse and sharing of information.
Take care, homie
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Sure, one can always stay unrooted and use the non-root mode of AdAway, use adguard DNS ( dns.adguard.com ) or personalDNSfilter e.g. ... During the last years I sometimes used adguard, atm using AdAway with root on my Pixel 7 but on my unrooted Nokia 8010 TV box I use personalDNSfilter (our GUI does not support Android TV very well, but it runs).
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Presuming no Xposed framework will ever be available for Android N or later, what hardware would you buy today? I will not run an Android version without Xposed (due to the need for XPrivacy). Therefore, I seek opinions on the best available, future-proofed hardware to run Xposed. For example, it seems I should still be able to buy a new OnePlus 3T, nuke the Nougat it presumably ships with, and "upgrade" down to Android 6 w/ Xposed. I doubt that path will be an option with later hardware releases.
What's the best, cutting edge Xposed-compatible hardware—presuming I might still be running it 5 years from now?
None.
Also hardware isnt the issue. Software is.
A one plus will stipl run great after 5 years.
But probably new security issues will arise and there won't be bug fixes to those things from anyone.
Maybe there will be other alternatives to exposed, but personally speaking, my current nexus 6 wipl be my last smartphone.
I will either not use one in the future or simply continue using this phone until it dies.
Appart from being utterly disgusted by the regression of technology (removable batteries gone, headphone jacks gone, lack of support),
I also cant stand the privacy issues.
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hardware isnt the issue. Software is.
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I disagree, unless you were making a reference to Wirth's law. My Nexus 5 crawls today in comparison to how it ran years ago, and I'm constantly short on RAM when I wasn't in the past. Most of this is the bloat caused by apps. It will help, of course, that the OS wouldn't be upgraded.
A one plus will stipl run great after 5 years.
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I also perform the hardware repair on my N5 myself, so that's a factor. Things like battery replacement come into play after years of use.
But probably new security issues will arise and there won't be bug fixes to those things from anyone.
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That's effectively where I'm at now. The OTAs won't apply, and I don't care enough to go through the gyrations to update the OS with the patches.
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I disagree, unless you were making a reference to Wirth's law. My Nexus 5 crawls today in comparison to how it ran years ago, and I'm constantly short on RAM when I wasn't in the past. Most of this is the bloat caused by apps. It will help, of course, that the OS wouldn't be upgraded.
I also perform the hardware repair on my N5 myself, so that's a factor. Things like battery replacement come into play after years of use.
That's effectively where I'm at now. The OTAs won't apply, and I don't care enough to go through the gyrations to update the OS with the patches.
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Agreed I have Nexus 5, Redmi Note 3, Redmi Note 4, Moto G5 Plus, Mi5 at home
Nexus 5 feels ancient now though I love the form factor and the occasional times when it runs smooth off late
Im guessing EMMC might be degrading
Then I should buy more Android Phones, at least one for shopping, one for apps at sixes and sevens. I am in China and most of the apps don't want to obey the rules...
Plus: less pleasure for personalizing
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Please keep on topic and refrain from xposed lifespan assumptions , the OP is asking for a different opinion
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you pretty much already have my suggestion.... a OnePlus 3T. since you seem to need xposed (imho, just move on) all new phones will obviously be shipping with android 7.xx+, the 3T is the best phone to get. i doubt there will be an update to xposed so eventually you will need to update and its obvious that later android version will have superior memory management to make use of the 3T's memory.
if by chance, xposed does somehow live you will still be left with a great phone that is only further made better by whatever android version is available. a few weeks ago i helped several classmates switch ROM's. they all bought 3T's due to my recommendation. all are very happy. i suggest you get one while they are still available. i hope this helps! cheers!
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you pretty much already have my suggestion.... a OnePlus 3T.
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Thanks.
since you seem to need xposed (imho, just move on)
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Well, I *need* XPrivacy and not only is that dependent on Xposed but I subsequently found out that development likely won't support anything later than Marshmallow. So, that's where I'll be indefinitely until someone replicates that.
they all bought 3T's due to my recommendation. all are very happy. i suggest you get one while they are still available. i hope this helps! cheers!
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It does. Thanks. The largest concern is battery replacement, as it seems there are no genuine replacement batteries. Maybe that will change in a few years, though.
Well, I *need* XPrivacy.......
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well, if privacy is your concern their are many apps that can help. your familiari with AFWall+ so there's that. you could also use Island by Oasisfeng. i mostly use it to hide my friends titpics and my snapchat, kik accounts but the app will eventually be able to do so much more.
i dont know what type of privacy concerns you have but a firewall should be enough unless your either a spy or just paranoid.
The largest concern is battery replacement....
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you can find parts for this phone with an easy google search. i purchased a replacement screen for a friend that accidentally dropped her 3T from a balcony at school.
i truly suggest you move on to N. soon there O will be released and with it so many worthwhile features. if your lucky enough to get the chance to use it i suggest you do and not pass due to the lack of xposed. while i agree that xposed is great, its not worth passing over on updating to a better android release.
btw, now that there has been more info on the 1+5, i suggest you wait. give island a try and then i hope you go for the 1+5. cheers!
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well, if privacy is your concern their are many apps that can help. your familiari with AFWall+ so there's that.
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In addition to XPrivacy, I'm already using AFWall+, AppOps Xposed, and an always-on VPN.
you could also use Island by Oasisfeng. i mostly use it to hide my friends titpics and my snapchat, kik accounts but the app will eventually be able to do so much more.
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Cool, I'll check it out for consideration to be added it into the mix. Thanks.
i dont know what type of privacy concerns you have but a firewall should be enough unless your either a spy or just paranoid.
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A firewall is necessary but insufficient due to in-band privacy leaks. I require XPrivacy to intercept calls and feed apps fake data. There is really no substitute for Xposed for this type of approach; you may remember PDroid and how clunky that was.
you can find parts for this phone with an easy google search.
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Hm. I was unable to find a genuine OnePlus 3T battery. I found a few obviously counterfeit batteries from dodgy ebay vendors, but I would certainly appreciate it if you could point me to a source for a genuine new replacement battery for a 3T.
i truly suggest you move on to N. soon there O will be released and with it so many worthwhile features.
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Thanks for sharing your perspective, but I'd rather not have a smartphone than to go without XPrivacy or its equivalent. I certainly need XPrivacy a lot more than I need some new UX. I already disable all the "cool" creepy google **** like google now cards and I deny the google app access to my mic & location (well, location services is disabled altogether, but you get the point). My smartphone on MM does what I want it to do, and I really don't need it to do anything more—especially if it comes at the cost of losing the fine-grained control over apps one has via XPrivacy.
Hijacking the thread, since you posted some nice alternatives. What about us that can't live without Amplify and Greenify?
FenrirMX said:
Hijacking the thread, since you posted some nice alternatives. What about us that can't live without Amplify and Greenify?
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Greenify doesn't require Xposed to work, just for the "boost" features. It works just fine on my 6P running 7.1.2, which means I have no Xposed.
another thread hijack since someone mention xposed module alternatives
can someone create a thread specifically list down all the alternatives for xposed modules? I am switching to S8 which is nougat only so I need to find alternatives for my xposed modules
- app settings: no alt
- appopsxposed: no alt
- boot manager: no alt
- nekosms: samsung default messaging app block feature (although not as complete)
- rootcloak: magisk
- xtouchwiz: manually deal with csc xml
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another thread hijack since someone mention xposed module alternatives
can someone create a thread specifically list down all the alternatives for xposed modules? I am switching to S8 which is nougat only so I need to find alternatives for my xposed modules
- app settings: no alt
- appopsxposed: no alt
- boot manager: no alt
- nekosms: samsung default messaging app block feature (although not as complete)
- rootcloak: magisk
- xtouchwiz: manually deal with csc xml
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Does Magisk directly replace Rootcloak? Doesn't Magiskhide only hide Magisk, not root?
ldeveraux said:
Does Magisk directly replace Rootcloak? Doesn't Magiskhide only hide Magisk, not root?
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Magisk hides its root.
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Magisk hides its root.
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Right, not SuperSU though.
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Right, not SuperSU though.
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not sure but I thought magisk hide will also hide root from other apps
but you're correct, magisk hide needs magisksu and cannot work with supersu
I just replaced the Google Pixel 2 xl with Note 9
So far, I like this phone.
I'd like to ask you guys, if it would be worth to root the phone and install a custom ROM / kernel
I can't see a percentage for the brightness, which is annoying, and the clock is on the left, I'd like to have it centered or on the right
With a good kernel, would it help to improve the battery life?
Thank you very much, in advance, any advices are welcome
With Samsung once you root and trip Knox you can't go back to stock - ever. And some apps will not work anymore. This is actually my first phone where I haven't seen any need for root anyway.
Take a look at good lock, with it you can customize allmost everything, incl. clock postition.
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I just replaced the Google Pixel 2 xl with Note 9
So far, I like this phone.
I'd like to ask you guys, if it would be worth to root the phone and install a custom ROM / kernel
I can't see a percentage for the brightness, which is annoying, and the clock is on the left, I'd like to have it centered or on the right
With a good kernel, would it help to improve the battery life?
Thank you very much, in advance, any advices are welcome
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latest july build seems to have decent battery without the need to root.
also using samsung goodlock and its various components, you will be able to do a lot of stuff that were only possible on a rooted device. such as move clock position and much more UIwise.
for brightness % sorry never seen that.
so play around with all the goodlock addons 1st and see if its worthing staying on stock. as you know rooting will kill Spay...so
( i can never stay on stock since its much to fun to flash roms every now and then)
What exactly is good lock?
Where do can I find this app? @Bober, I always had a percentage on the brightness, on the Pixel 2 xl ( root / custom Rom)
There must be a way for this
Thank you, guys
LE : i never used an Android phone, with stock...
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What exactly is good lock?
Where do can I find this app? @Bober, I always had a percentage on the brightness, on the Pixel 2 xl ( root / custom Rom)
There must be a way for this
Thank you, guys
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goodlock can be found on the Samsung store.
there is also an alternative called nicelock in the guides forum.
basically goodlock in it self is nothing but a downloader/manager or various plugins. they are the ones that modd the system.
Thank you very much, bober
Do I have to remove the simcard, when I do this??
I'm from Europe - Germany
nex_t said:
Thank you very much, bober
Do I have to remove the simcard, when I do this??
I'm from Europe - Germany
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for what?
to install goodlock? if you dont see it in the samsung store then try:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...-nicelock-goodlock-2019-launcher-pie-t3908648
sometimes apps are available by region. so using nicelock should bypass this.
nex_t said:
What exactly is good lock?
Where do can I find this app? @Bober, I always had a percentage on the brightness, on the Pixel 2 xl ( root / custom Rom)
There must be a way for this
Thank you, guys
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Go to settings-Notifications-Status bar-Show battery percentage
Edit: sorry, misread that...not sure about brightness percentage!
Battery percentage?
Did you read exactly my post?!
LE : i installed NiceLock but when I try to install something from the menu, I can't
Not available in my country....
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Battery percentage?
Did you read exactly my post?!
LE : i installed NiceLock but when I try to install something from the menu, I can't
Not available in my country....
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really, i thought that was the purpous of nicelock, to bypasse that issue. post on the nice lock thread. sure someone has insight on that.
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NICELOCK
Good Lock 2019 Launcher
What is NiceLock?
This app is only an alternative to main Good Lock app for the regions that it is officially unavailable.
This app only acts as a launcher for modules.
That's why I asked about removing the SIM
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That's why I asked about removing the SIM
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try it i guess.
I tried but I can't install anything from NiceLock
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I tried but I can't install anything from NiceLock
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then i really dont know...did you post here for help?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...-nicelock-goodlock-2019-launcher-pie-t3908648
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That's why I asked about removing the SIM
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uninstall nicelock an try this method which worked for me.
1. remove the sim.
2. uninstall samsung store
3. restart the phone.
4 open the vpn app and select US .
5. open samsung store , download the app update and than install goodlock.
6. open goodlock and install the apps-plugins ( download all of them and later you can uninstall unwanted ones).
7. insert sim and restart .....
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nex_t said:
I just replaced the Google Pixel 2 xl with Note 9
So far, I like this phone.
I'd like to ask you guys, if it would be worth to root the phone and install a custom ROM / kernel
I can't see a percentage for the brightness, which is annoying, and the clock is on the left, I'd like to have it centered or on the right
With a good kernel, would it help to improve the battery life?
Thank you very much, in advance, any advices are welcome
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im dealing with theis question myself, i have a korean version - n960n and im having some network connection problems ( i live in midle east which has different bands), and the super late updates from samsung for this model, im still in April security update.
other than this i really dont see the need for root-custom rom for my phone.
i will wait till the end of this month and see.
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uninstall nicelock an try this method which worked for me.
1. remove the sim.
2. uninstall samsung store
3. restart the phone.
4 open the vpn app and select US .
5. open samsung store , download the app update and than install goodlock.
6. open goodlock and install the apps-plugins ( download all of them and later you can uninstall unwanted ones).
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im dealing with theis question myself, i have a korean version - n960n and im having some network connection problems ( i live in midle east which has different bands), and the super late updates from samsung for this model, im still in April security update.
other than this i really dont see the need for root-custom rom for my phone.
i will wait till the end of this month and see.
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you should be on may release. manually download it and flash it with Odin.
I'm in the same boat here and am quite surprised by it. I ALWAYS root my phone, first thing, asap. I specifically bought the exynos version of the N9 so I could root. But after playing with it I find myself wondering why I need root.
Ad blocking - kind of miss this but using Brave browser mostly fixes that.
Customization - GoodLock is AWESOME. Takes place of rom customizations and Tasker, which was a must have for me.
Call recording seems to work, which it didn't on my Pixel.
Get to keep Samsung pay, which is much better than Google pay. And secure folder is a lot better than the name suggests, since it provides doubles if apps allowing multiple active logins.
Someone convinced me why I need to root this phone??
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I'm in the same boat here and am quite surprised by it. I ALWAYS root my phone, first thing, asap. I specifically bought the exynos version of the N9 so I could root. But after playing with it I find myself wondering why I need root.
Ad blocking - kind of miss this but using Brave browser mostly fixes that.
Customization - GoodLock is AWESOME. Takes place of rom customizations and Tasker, which was a must have for me.
Call recording seems to work, which it didn't on my Pixel.
Get to keep Samsung pay, which is much better than Google pay. And secure folder is a lot better than the name suggests, since it provides doubles if apps allowing multiple active logins.
Someone convinced me why I need to root this phone??
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to have fun with it and try new things. ( i get bored fast and quickly want more)
if you want to use the phone within the allowed parameters and not want anything more than you already have, than don't root. because the 1st thing happens when you root is that knox fuse gets tripped and apps relying on the device's security integrity will stop trusting it and fail to work. but apart from S pay you can get prety much all apps working one way or an other on a rooted phone just as a stock one would.( lately secure folder was found to work! thx dr
.ketan). people have turned to google pay instead of S pay.
but i do understand that its like: why break what's not broken?
some of us like the freedom and ability to do more. its not essential but since we own the device i guess our though process is what can we do to get even more out of this device.( price is not cheap so we need a reason to justify having bought it guess and have our money's worth ! lol )
but it is true. with good lock the visual aspect that was once one of the big reasons of rooting is now less and less of a reason. same goes with themes as well. nice alternatives to the stock themes and store bought ones like the wonderfull app: #hex ( xda made! search for it here and on playstore) allows you to theme. it has slimmed the gap even more between the need to root and not having to.
one aspect though that is important is being able to remove content and aslo add content like unsupported region carrier specific features eg:CSC , i put canadian CSC on my n960n.( somewill argue rhat if i had bought the canadian variant i would not need to do this. but the other reasons outlined in this message outweighs this.)
all in all im happy with my decision. and i have no trouble understanding that you or others are also quite happy with not having rooted.
what is good is that rooting has put pressure and have given samsung and other device companies examples and insight on what the community wants. by rooting and modding the device we show exactly what we need/want. and the result ( goodlock and other additions) that are aosp inspired has really made the device shine and be an attractive experiance to the general public and rooted user alike.
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to have fun with it and try new things. ( i get bored fast and quickly want more)
if you want to use the phone within the allowed parameters and not want anything more than you already have, than don't root. because the 1st thing happens when you root is that knox fuse gets tripped and apps relying on the device's security integrity will stop trusting it and fail to work. but apart from S pay you can get prety much all apps working one way or an other on a rooted phone just as a stock one would.( lately secure folder was found to work! thx dr
.ketan). people have turned to google pay instead of S pay.
but i do understand that its like: why break what's not broken?
some of us like the freedom and ability to do more. its not essential but since we own the device i guess our though process is what can we do to get even more out of this device.( price is not cheap so we need a reason to justify having bought it guess and have our money's worth ! lol )
but it is true. with good lock the visual aspect that was once one of the big reasons of rooting is now less and less of a reason. same goes with themes as well. nice alternatives to the stock themes and store bought ones like the wonderfull app: #hex ( xda made! search for it here and on playstore) allows you to theme. it has slimmed the gap even more between the need to root and not having to.
one aspect though that is important is being able to remove content and aslo add content like unsupported region carrier specific features eg:CSC , i put canadian CSC on my n960n.( somewill argue rhat if i had bought the canadian variant i would not need to do this. but the other reasons outlined in this message outweighs this.)
all in all im happy with my decision. and i have no trouble understanding that you or others are also quite happy with not having rooted.
what is good is that rooting has put pressure and have given samsung and other device companies examples and insight on what the community wants. by rooting and modding the device we show exactly what we need/want. and the result ( goodlock and other additions) that are aosp inspired has really made the device shine and be an attractive experiance to the general public and rooted user alike.
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I've definitely rooted a bunch of phones. Every phone in my signature that could be rooted, and many friends phones etc. I've been a huge proponent of root. This phone just seems to not need it, at least not yet at this point. When sammy stops pushing updates in timely manner I will probably reconsider.
You are absolutely right that root, and the xda community in particular, has really pushed OEMs to make things better. Its great progress.
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goodlock can be found on the Samsung store.
there is also an alternative called nicelock in the guides forum.
basically goodlock in it self is nothing but a downloader/manager or various plugins. they are the ones that modd the system.
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What customizations are you using on your status bar?
Hey, I have not rooted a device since S5. Up till now I have not had a reaso too. So can someone please telm me the benefits of rooting the S10 5G on Android 10. I am on the fence right now.
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GastonC said:
Hey, I have not rooted a device since S5. Up till now I have not had a reaso too. So can someone please telm me the benefits of rooting the S10 5G on Android 10. I am on the fence right now.
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Hey mate, over the years the main benefits of root have become less and less... Important per say compared to the older days, but in saying that root does have the same benefit of complete control over the device. Some apps detect root and won't allow you to use them, bank apps, Pokemon go, Snapchat, google pay, but generally magisk hide, hiding the manager itself and some basic code editing in terminal for Google pays case is all that's needed as long as you don't very heavily modify the device, example Snapchat can work with magisk hide but if you use a edited services.jar is known to get detected regardless of magisk hide.
In saying that, unless your an enthusiast like myself who just loves tinkering just for the sake of it, or you don't care about warranty (country dependant), if you don't see any need/reason for root, then your answer is already answered.
I do hope others comment there opinions down below as this is just my own point of view.
Hi together,
I am wondering which benefits I can expect from rooting my device.
One thing that comes to my mind is having an option to use face unlock for older unlock APIs.
What do you guys think?
Tirade incoming...
I'm probably in the minority, but I won't buy a phone I cannot root. The idea that the phone that I paid $1000 for up front is under the control of other companies seems wrong to me. I have full control over my computers... my ISP doesn't tell me what I can run on it and can't force me to use their DNS; Microsoft doesn't tell me that I'm breaking a EULA by running admin programs; my bank's website doesn't refuse to load because I'm running a lot of browser extensions that can modify the page. Google says they respect that people want control over their phones but they also say they respect app creator's wanting to run on an unmodified device. I throw those companies to the wind and don't look back. If only Google would stop blocking access to things and requiring us to use root to gain them back. They give and take features almost constantly and it often feels like a losing battle.
Ideology aside, there are so many small things that can be done through rooting. The next best alternative is either awkward or non-existent. I could name them off, but each thing on their own is easily dismissable is about preference. But if I had to use a phone that had none of my modifications/tweaks, I would be fairly unhappy. I don't think you'll understand the difference until you're actually changing your phone significantly as a whole then have to consider going back. A lot of things you won't know you even wanted until you find that they're possible... and a lot of things you'll look at and not even care about, despite them being popular to other people. That's what rooting is to me. Choices and options... in a world where Apple and even Google think that less is more.
I think if you're willing to experiment and put a significant amount of time in doing so, you should dive in and find out what you like. But if you're on the ropes about it, then you might not get into it.
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Tirade incoming...
I'm probably in the minority, but I won't buy a phone I cannot root. The idea that the phone that I paid $1000 for up front is under the control of other companies seems wrong to me. I have full control over my computers... my ISP doesn't tell me what I can run on it and can't force me to use their DNS; Microsoft doesn't tell me that I'm breaking a EULA by running admin programs; my bank's website doesn't refuse to load because I'm running a lot of browser extensions that can modify the page. Google says they respect that people want control over their phones but they also say they respect app creator's wanting to run on an unmodified device. I throw those companies to the wind and don't look back. If only Google would stop blocking access to things and requiring us to use root to gain them back. They give and take features almost constantly and it often feels like a losing battle.
Ideology aside, there are so many small things that can be done through rooting. The next best alternative is either awkward or non-existent. I could name them off, but each thing on their own is easily dismissable is about preference. But if I had to use a phone that had none of my modifications/tweaks, I would be fairly unhappy. I don't think you'll understand the difference until you're actually changing your phone significantly as a whole then have to consider going back. A lot of things you won't know you even wanted until you find that they're possible... and a lot of things you'll look at and not even care about, despite them being popular to other people. That's what rooting is to me. Choices and options... in a world where Apple and even Google think that less is more.
I think if you're willing to experiment and put a significant amount of time in doing so, you should dive in and find out what you like. But if you're on the ropes about it, then you might not get into it.
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To make that clear. I rooted every android phone I owned up to now. There has been always a thing that bothered me about the stock ROM.
But this time I feel like everything is working out of the box. (Except face unlock for ing, which sux)
I get your point and you are totally right. But I'm not sure if I want to change so much and having to update on my own and other things is to much work for me.
SeppGoPro said:
To make that clear. I rooted every android phone I owned up to now. There has been always a thing that bothered me about the stock ROM.
But this time I feel like everything is working out of the box. (Except face unlock for ing, which sux)
I get your point and you are totally right. But I'm not sure if I want to change so much and having to update on my own and other things is to much work for me.
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I hear you. Rooting used to be fun and easy but it's more work than I want to deal with at this point.
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It takes me longer the download the stock image to do updates with than it takes me to re-root the phone after the update. I wonder why it seems like a lot of work to you.
PS. My broadband ISP is slow....
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It takes me longer the download the stock image to do updates with than it takes me to re-root the phone after the update. I wonder why it seems like a lot of work to you.
PS. My broadband ISP is slow....
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It takes more time, which you actively have to spend. It's not like ow there is an update. Ok install done.
You have to go through all steps. You have to e.g. change settings in build.prop again. Flash kernel or what ever.
One example with rooted and problems with apps I'm always unsure if it's due to root or due to the rom. Stuff like this.
I don't have to do either of those things. My build.prop changes are systemlessly handled by a Magisk module that just works as soon as I'm rooted again. YMMV.
I've spent more time writing in this thread than my monthly process takes. If you don't have that time, then fine. You've answered your own question?
I've rooted all my devices except the pixel ones. There's absolutely no need for me to root a pixel device, everything is working as I want out of the box. That's one reason that development for the pixel 4/xl is nearly non existent.
ROOT! #1 reason Fingerface for fingerprint only APIs, other than that I agree the Pixel phones don't need any modifications. I hope the Pixel 5 will bring back the FP, face unlock sucks with a mask!
dave5777 said:
ROOT! #1 reason Fingerface for fingerprint only APIs, other than that I agree the Pixel phones don't need any modifications. I hope the Pixel 5 will bring back the FP, face unlock sucks with a mask!
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Yes this would be the only reason for me.
first reason finger face
second reason motion sense..
now on android beta 2.5 not rooted
Why choose android if you are going to use a limited system?
If i could live without root i would just go iPhone way
fuarkgl3 said:
Why choose android if you are going to use a limited system?
If i could live without root i would just go iPhone way
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Cause the limited system will do what most people need it to do
dave5777 said:
ROOT! #1 reason Fingerface for fingerprint only APIs, other than that I agree the Pixel phones don't need any modifications. I hope the Pixel 5 will bring back the FP, face unlock sucks with a mask!
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Pull it down for half a sec.
Mackay53 said:
Cause the limited system will do what most people need it to do
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Again. If you are going to use a limited system why choose android over iOS?
I don't understand your reply
fuarkgl3 said:
Again. If you are going to use a limited system why choose android over iOS?
I don't understand your reply
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Because many people like what Android has to offer over iOS, simple. Rooting isn't as useful as what it used to be
Does google pay work currently root? Magisk hide?
Or is that out of the question now...
xtravbx said:
Does google pay work currently root? Magisk hide?
Or is that out of the question now...
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From what I've been reading it's going to be hard to get Google Pay to work with root. I only use root to bring back the 2 button gesture using a Magisk module. I don't know if it's worth it anymore.
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Does google pay work currently root? Magisk hide?
Or is that out of the question now...
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Google pay works right now for me and I'm rooted running 11 beta 2.5.
fr0st420 said:
From what I've been reading it's going to be hard to get Google Pay to work with root. I only use root to bring back the 2 button gesture using a Magisk module. I don't know if it's worth it anymore.
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I want to root so I can run ProtonVPN (or any VPN really) alongside Adguard. You can't run them side x side without root....
Admittedly a little sick of the whole big brother thing, so wouldn't mind obscuring my traffic a bit.
What's everyone's view of rooting the pixel unlocked version? What features won't work? I know knox for samsung trips when unlocking. Is it the same concept with Pixels? My last device similar was a nexus 6 so yeah..
jobhax said:
What's everyone's view of rooting the pixel unlocked version? What features won't work?
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Any feature that relies on Safetynet won't work and there is simply no way around that.
With Samsung, KNOX is a "fuse" that gets tripped so after you unlock the bootloader there's no going back. It'll forever know the bootloader has been unlocked at some point which messes with certain features (depending on make/model). With the Pixel phones you can flash the stock software and then re-lock the bootloader if you want. Once re-locked the OS sees the factory state and everything works as usual. Just make sure you've got the stock software flashed before you re-lock the bootloader or you risk bricking the device.
As a side note, with biometric security, make sure you've properly logged out of your Google account and removed all stored fingerprints or faces BEFORE you unlock. The unlocking process will wipe the device but your biometrics are still stored. If that happens you have to go through the setup process without biometrics and then perform a "proper" factory reset within the Android OS in order to get biometrics working again.
Of course the Pixel 5 is a new phone, so I'm giving this info based on currently released devices. There are always risks when you alter the factory state so be warned. There's a phrase my old boss used to use: "Pioneers take the arrows, settlers take the land." Not very PC but the underlying concept is sound.
I'll root asap. These days, I use it mainly for effective Adblock. The occasional app goes wonky, but it's a game of cat and mouse with safety-net.
YMMV etc
kboya said:
I'll root asap. These days, I use it mainly for effective Adblock. The occasional app goes wonky, but it's a game of cat and mouse with safety-net.
YMMV etc
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The cat and mouse game is over, Google won. With hardware backed encrypted key negotiation it is no longer possible or feasible to beat. TNMTV (There's No Mileage To Vary)
That doesn't mean you can't root, just that there are consequences. For me, those consequences far outweigh any perceived benefit of having root access. I won't be rooting any more phones.
SteveYoungs said:
The cat and mouse game is over, Google won. With hardware backed encrypted key negotiation it is no longer possible or feasible to beat. TNMTV (There's No Mileage To Vary)
That doesn't mean you can't root, just that there are consequences. For me, those consequences far outweigh any perceived benefit of having root access. I won't be rooting any more phones.
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What's the best adblocker for a non-rooted phone right now?
Guys, since Android 9 you don't have to root in order to adblock. Just use the private DNS option together with something like nextdns.io . It's also battery efficient, since it's not a VPN.
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The cat and mouse game is over, Google won. With hardware backed encrypted key negotiation it is no longer possible or feasible to beat. TNMTV (There's No Mileage To Vary)
That doesn't mean you can't root, just that there are consequences. For me, those consequences far outweigh any perceived benefit of having root access. I won't be rooting any more phones.
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We'll see what happens because, as you make clear when you include experiences, MAV (Mileage Always Varies).
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Nightwish1976 said:
Guys, since Android 9 you don't have to root in order to adblock. Just use the private DNS option together with something like nextdns.io . It's also battery efficient, since it's not a VPN.
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True, but when I tried that after 9's release it wasn't particularly effective or at least not as effective as Adaway w Magisk's systemless solution. Maybe I'll give it another go on the P5.
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What's the best adblocker for a non-rooted phone right now?
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Blockada, but download the App from the developer Website (play store Version doesnt get Updates Quick)
Pixel 5 will be the first device i dont plan to unlock+root, most benefits of rooting are gone in the last years because they got baked into Android. For adblocking there is Blockada which is as good as rooted adblock. I dont need a custom rom with stock clean Android and monthly Updates anymore. For debloating you dont need root, just a PC so i am going to deactivate most Google Apps.
Adblock so has a non-root version now.
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We'll see what happens because, as you make clear when you include experiences, MAV (Mileage Always Varies).
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Prediction: I'll eventually die of old age and you still won't be passing Safetynet. ☺
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The cat and mouse game is over, Google won. With hardware backed encrypted key negotiation it is no longer possible or feasible to beat. TNMTV (There's No Mileage To Vary)
That doesn't mean you can't root, just that there are consequences. For me, those consequences far outweigh any perceived benefit of having root access. I won't be rooting any more phones.
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If you know what you are doing there is no issues with Android 11, Magisk and safety net.
I can still use Google Pay and my banking apps without modules and nonsense coding. Just use Magisk and that is it. Oh of course you will need to hide a few apps in the Magisk settings.
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One thing to keep in mind is warranty and insurance (if you have insurance) claims.
If you have to use the warranty or insurance and you are unable to revert to factory default then warranty and insurance claims will be a huge pain.
vandyman said:
If you know what you are doing there is no issues with Android 11, Magisk and safety net.
I can still use Google Pay and my banking apps without modules and nonsense coding. Just use Magisk and that is it. Oh of course you will need to hide a few apps in the Magisk settings.
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Sorry, but no. See: https://www.xda-developers.com/safetynet-hardware-attestation-hide-root-magisk
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Sorry, but no. See: https://www.xda-developers.com/safetynet-hardware-attestation-hide-root-magisk
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Anything is possible, we go through this year after year with new updates to the software.
Google has always aloud its devices to have an unlocked boot loader and to be developed.
I personally don't see Google closing down its development. If they do, they will be out of the phone business. Most peeps buy the Google device for the freedom of development. I for one would buy something different if I could not root anymore.
Now for other manufacturers, it is a lot harder for them because they have there own software for their hardware and it is not compatible with the Google OS.
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vandyman said:
Anything is possible, we go through this year after year with new updates to the software.
Google has always aloud its devices to have an unlocked boot loader and to be developed.
I personally don't see Google closing down its development. If they do, they will be out of the phone business. Most peeps buy the Google device for the freedom of development. I for one would buy something different if I could not root anymore.
Now for other manufacturers, it is a lot harder for them because they have there own software for their hardware and it is not compatible with the Google OS.
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The Verizon versions of the Google Pixel 3Xl were locked down. I wouldn't say Giggle always allowed phones to be rooted. However, the ones sold by Google were rootable.
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Eudeferrer said:
The Verizon versions of the Google Pixel 3Xl were locked down. I wouldn't say Giggle always allowed phones to be rooted. However, the ones sold by Google were rootable.
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You are right. Verizon versions of Google devices will always be locked down.
If I remember correctly the last and only time that version allowed a Google unlocked device was a Samsung/Google Galaxy Nexus.
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Sorry, but no. See: https://www.xda-developers.com/safetynet-hardware-attestation-hide-root-magisk
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You said your not rooted right? You can still force basic key attestation (only needed for some devices), change device fingerprint, etc. Lots of things to do to pass safety net at the moment. Has worked fine for me ever since topjohnwu releaased that news.
vandyman said:
Anything is possible, we go through this year after year with new updates to the software.
Google has always aloud its devices to have an unlocked boot loader and to be developed.
I personally don't see Google closing down its development. If they do, they will be out of the phone business. Most peeps buy the Google device for the freedom of development. I for one would buy something different if I could not root anymore.
Now for other manufacturers, it is a lot harder for them because they have there own software for their hardware and it is not compatible with the Google OS.
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Hardware attestation does not prevent you from unlocking your boot loader, and it does not prevent you from rooting. What it does do is make passing Safetynet impossible if you are rooted, unlocked boot loader.
This is not something that will one day be worked around. The days of passing Safetynet on a rooted device are behind us.
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Hardware attestation does not prevent you from unlocking your boot loader, and it does not prevent you from rooting. What it does do is make passing Safetynet impossible if you are rooted, unlocked boot loader.
This is not something that will one day be worked around. The days of passing Safetynet on a rooted device are behind us.
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Nothing has changed yet! I still can use Gpay with Magisk and without any add on.
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