Please help me decide on the firmware. Not satisfied with the drain (MIUI 13.0.3.0, a device with 4GB. RAM) working with RAM - 3-4 applications are barely kept in the background, they are often rebooted. The situation is not critical if one of these applications is not a browser with at least 2-3 tabs. For example, I opened two pages in the browser, switched to the social network client, scrolled through the news, launched another application, if you want to return to the browser, restart; in general, everything is reloaded alternately after a short time. This is despite the fact that no heavy games are launched, I don't play on my smartphone at all. Only messengers, browser, reader, spotify and all sorts of little things.
I looked at PE13 and LineageOS 20 with microG. I have a successful experience with LOS in the past, I am inclined to it. Customization is not interesting.
mimosaimeis said:
Please help me decide on the firmware. Not satisfied with the drain (MIUI 13.0.3.0, a device with 4GB. RAM) working with RAM - 3-4 applications are barely kept in the background, they are often rebooted. The situation is not critical if one of these applications is not a browser with at least 2-3 tabs. For example, I opened two pages in the browser, switched to the social network client, scrolled through the news, launched another application, if you want to return to the browser, restart; in general, everything is reloaded alternately after a short time. This is despite the fact that no heavy games are launched, I don't play on my smartphone at all. Only messengers, browser, reader, spotify and all sorts of little things.
I looked at PE13 and LineageOS 20 with microG. I have a successful experience with LOS in the past, I am inclined to it. Customization is not interesting.
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PE13 is a lot better than stock ROM to save battery and RAM
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This has been pissing me off for quite some time. I hear Android's RAM is managed internally and that there's nothing to worry about - task killers are redundant.
I understand the logic, I understand the reasoning.
It just won't receive any of my understanding because this is frankly wasting too much time in the course of a day.
What happens due to this "internal management" is that programs I want to keep alive and return to in the state I left them isn't happening. Let's take Aldiko (or we could say the browser, pdf reader, music player, take your pick), the ebook reader; it can take up to 30 seconds to load a book, uses a lot of RAM, and opens at the page I was at.
Now imagine that I'm getting a phonecall, or an SMS, maybe even need to check the mail, or the bus-times, perhaps needing to use the browser. The RAM dips below the line and Android kills a process. 3 guesses to which process it killed to free RAM? You got it, Aldiko. The one that it took me 30 seconds to open. The one I was using, the one I actually cared about.
Checking the list of programs running I see that Aldiko's there, just not with an open book. What I also see is 987645984549 programs that I don't use, never activate, and serves absolutely no purpose on the phone, waiting for me to start them again for the second time in the phone's lifetime (which isn't happening). They're hogging RAM for some godforsaken reason, still sitting there doing nothing, not being used. Yet it killed Aldiko. Or any of the other processes I actually need, want and use.
Why does Android behave so ridiculously? How can I fix this? Installing a task killer helped somewhat, it keeps the stupid programs off so it doesn't close the ones I need all the time, yet the more frequently I run it (increasing the uptime for Aldiko), the harder it is on the battery because the programs keep popping up. Despite never being used.
Or maybe I want to use them at some point in the future, but not all the time. Not more than once a week. It doesn't matter. They shouldn't be allowed to interfere with the programs I actually use.
Is there some way for the android management to be a little less random, and a bit more like Windows Mobile, where a program stayed on as long as I wanted it to (unless there was a crash...)?
You could use Swap memory, if you REALLY want to fiddle (like what Windows/Linux/OSX does), and maybe tweak configs. It might be just possible to "swapon"
But the reason it's done is to provide quicker performance. Aldiko SHOULD be coded to remember the last book anyway, and does it REALLY take 30secs to open? That sounds like bull to me (I just tried it, and it took maybe 5 secs). Granted Aldiko could open the last book being read by default, but you could contact the aldiko developers for a setting to do that.
Either way, swap memory would be a prereq to doing this, because if you don't have enough RAM, apps will crash. So try that first
Hehe, yeah, it does take 30 secs. Maybe a big book or something. It was just an example. There's also the browser losing the pages it was on, music player losing place where played, pdf reader, and so on.
I'll check out out, but I'm not keen on rooting though.
Thanks for replying
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Question... I am noticing that basically every app i download is a little jerky in performance and does not mirror the flawless navigating experience the core os apps offer when it comes to smoothness... Is this a result from them being stored on the sd card? Or can it be from lack of optimization? Because if its the first, its quite dissapointing to see that this is gonna be the expected performance of most apps you download...
I currently have facebook, twitter, flixter movies, lazyworm twitter, xbox live extras, and a few others and i see hiccups in all of them when panning and scrolling compared to the browser, contacts, email, etc.
considering the sd card is integrated into the overall hard drive, I don't think it's that.
Maybe because it's the first round of apps for the OS.
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considering the sd card is integrated into the overall hard drive, I don't think it's that.
Maybe because it's the first round of apps for the OS.
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yea...eventually they would update them till they get them running smooth ...for example facebook app runs choppy
The hiccups seem to be occuring in these first-release un-optimized applications. They also seem to occur most often while the application is actively loading data and you are trying to use it.
Some apps work fine, and if you notice, most apps will work just fine once they have completely loaded any and all information on the screen. I find that after waiting a bit for Facebook to load everything, it pans and scrolls just as well as the underlying OS.
That being said, since I notice some apps can load data and run just fine, that its just more a developer side issue than the phone/OS. I'm sure as devs get the hang of programming and optimizing their apps we will see much better performing applications.
thanx for the replies guys!!! seems like this is the issue and not the memory card (thank goodness)
here is the article to prove it
http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/microsoft-blames-developers-for-poorly-performing-wp7-apps
i love my HD7 again
My experience of The Harvest was actually ruined by the lag/stuttering issue, especially when enemies were loading. I would think that this is probably caused by garbage collection issues in the .NET CF.
Why is my Captivate so laggy?!
It typically takes 3 seconds to get from my homescreen to the dial pad when I click phone and every other app takes at least 3 seconds as well. After the app has been launched, it doesn't take as long to bring it up next time as expected however, having too many apps up lags my phone like crazy and makes it lag even more when opening new apps. I always have at least 50 mb of RAM free. Closing apps and clearing my memory makes it go back to a 3 second open time.
I've used Serendipity 6.x, MIUI, and now I'm on Serendipity 7. Between the time I went from MIUI to Serendipity 7, I hard bricked my phone and got it completely wiped. Even after a fresh clean install, Serendipity continues to lag. EXT4 lagfix is on of course.
Even comparing it to my friend's Fascinate running 2.2, his Fascinate smokes my Captivate by a long shot!
Does anyone have any ideas?
Your memory is kinda low I avg 80mb free. What are you running on your phone? Widgets apps etc. Btw a better tittle would be recommended.
With Facebook, Google Voice, Aim, and Browser running in the background with 0% CPU usage, I have about 50 mb free. I also have 1 widget on every homescreen with 4 homescreens total. If I clear everything, I have about 120 mb free and things are slightly snappier (about 2-3 seConds to open an app) but after I open google voice and Facebook, things get Laggy again.
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With Facebook, Google Voice, Aim, and Browser running in the background with 0% CPU usage, I have about 50 mb free. I also have 1 widget on every homescreen with 4 homescreens total. If I clear everything, I have about 120 mb free and things are slightly snappier (about 2-3 seConds to open an app) but after I open google voice and Facebook, things get Laggy again.
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Theres no way you have all that running and 0% cpu usage. Especially if any of those widgets are live widgets or refresh at any time.
Read the following article on how android uses RAM and what could actually be slowing down your phone. I read this article a few weeks back and sacrificed a few liked (but obviously poorly coded) apps that resulted in me getting better battery life and a faster phone.
Heres the article: http://lifehacker.com/5650894/androi...uldnt-use-them
I don't like have Facebook running it tends to slow down my phone, I just keep the widget on. 80% of the times your phone is laggy or slow because you have alot of things running OR you are using poorly codded apps.
When was the last time u rebooted?
Sorry Facebook, aim, and etc were apps, not widgets. They are usually idle and use 0% if the CPU. As for widgets, I have some beautiful widgets and pure grid calendar widgets. My bad for not specifying. I'll also take a look at the article asap. I'm desperate for better performance lol.
They can't use 0% if u have background data on. Matter of fact, they can't use 0% period if there RUNNING
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They can't use 0% if u have background data on. Matter of fact, they can't use 0% period if there RUNNING
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This. If your phone is on your CPU is running. I mean, it has to process the information from whatever app you are using to view your CPU usage. Make sure to read the part about the CPU in the article and the watchdog app.
I've downloaded to my LG Optimus Black 30 apps til' now, I'm on Zeus V2.1
When I had the stock rom I had 100 apps!!
Does installing many apps necessarily slow down the phone? or It doesn't have to affect on the phone memory and speed?
On the one hand, I know that the phone is a lot faster when It has only few apps, and on the other hand, I have an Android Phone, Why not to have funny apps like lighter and games. What's your opinion?
Short answer: Mostly less is more...
Means: A lot of apps stay in memory and slow down ur phone, as u alread answered to urself, some even keep running in background and can keep the cpu from going to deep sleep mode, if they are not programmed well.
So yes, many apps slow down ur phone
Well, to describe it correctly, i would like you to explain that it's not the "numbers" of applications that matters.... I mean, we have a whole one GB of internal space, so we can easily afford 100+ applications.
So, it's actually the "type" of applications that give you a considerable effect on your device's performance.
# Example : i have installed TorrentFreak reader application. When i open it to read TF articles, it opens... when i exit it, it exits... shuts down completely. Now, i have installed UNO game from glu, which even if i don't open, it brings me advertisement notification.
So, the moral of story is, if i have installed hundreds of applications like TFreader, they won't cost me any RAM or any battery usage if i don't use it. But if i install just 10-15 apps like UNOgame of glu, they will use my data connection, RAM etc. in background even if i hardly use them.
So, always choose the application wisely, that's the point. Check their permissions, see if they add any "services" that may keep consuming your cpu cycles..... and you are good to go.
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I would like to clarify that I do not know how to create ROMs and I do not know how to write codes(anymore) but since our devices are aging, would be it great to send our Xperia SP off with a bang with an Android GO edition-like ROM? our devices cant handle newer apps and processes anymore but at least I think the Go edition ROM can still make our phones as usable as daily drivers either on Android Q or Pie.
please consider. thank you.
As far as i may concerned, LOW RAM optimisations are already implemented in the codebase for current active ROMs for Huashan. And, to the best of my knowledge, which i may be wrong, these optimisations are derived from Android GO itself. I vaguely remember that at one time this is a main topic said by Adrian the master himself.
Huashan is no longer capable to run modern apps that somewhat uses heavy resources (which i myself don't understand why Instagram needed such a computing power). Unfortunately neither do current Go phones. That is why PWA is a thing to all Go devices. I.e. Maps Go, Twitter Lite, etc.
Of course this is not an objection to your proposal. Just thinking of dropping my thoughts here
Android Oreo and Pie just doesn't cut it well for this phone.
Instead of shoving newer android versions down this phones throat expecting miracles. We should go back to one of Lollipop or marshmallow ROMs and realise how much lag free and usable it is. They're still pretty modern looking and does the job well.
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Android Oreo and Pie just doesn't cut it well for this phone.
Instead of shoving newer android versions down this phones throat expecting miracles. We should go back to one of Lollipop or marshmallow ROMs and realise how much lag free and usable it is. They're still pretty modern looking and does the job well.
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Free yourself from Google and then you'll see how smooth current ROMs are.
Not to mention that they offer battery times like 7-12 days.
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Free yourself from Google and then you'll see how smooth current ROMs are.
Not to mention that they offer battery times like 7-12 days.
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I don't use gapps on LOS 15.1. Knowing that they crap the phone out.
LOS 15.1 is good, we get latest security updates, better UI etc.. but hangs and stutters more with apps and multitasking.
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Android Oreo and Pie just doesn't cut it well for this phone.
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I don't agree with that, KaBombaBoom. I ran Oreo for a long time and recently upgraded to Pie. The phone is still surprisingly fast until some hungry app gobbles up all RAM and it starts running on swap.
That's what doesn't cut well for any phone in the long run, those apps that keep growing bigger and bigger and requiring more RAM though mostly or no new functionality is added.
Google Play Services itself is heavy, not to mention other google apps such as their mail, I open it from the browser these days. I'd love to get away without GApps but retaining the deep sleep wake that push notifications provide.
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Free yourself from Google and then you'll see how smooth current ROMs are.
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How is your experience with that emcom? Does your phone wakes up from deep sleep when you get IM?
That's the main reason I never tried android without GApps. That and the fact that all drivers are mostly proprietary anyways, so why bother
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I don't agree with that, KaBombaBoom. I ran Oreo for a long time and recently upgraded to Pie. The phone is still surprisingly fast until some hungry app gobbles up all RAM and it starts running on swap.
That's what doesn't cut well for any phone in the long run, those apps that keep growing bigger and bigger and requiring more RAM though mostly or no new functionality is added.
Google Play Services itself is heavy, not to mention other google apps such as their mail, I open it from the browser these days. I'd love to get away without GApps but retaining the deep sleep wake that push notifications provide.
How is your experience with that emcom? Does your phone wakes up from deep sleep when you get IM?
That's the main reason I never tried android without GApps. That and the fact that all drivers are mostly proprietary anyways, so why bother
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Of course it wakes up. I've been using it as my daily driver with WhatsApp for some time last year, and it was perfect. There was just one problem which I could not resolve : message backups. I mean, it was working perfectly when I made backups on the SD card, but if I wanted to have them somewhere in the cloud, the only option was the Google Drive - which is not working without Google services.
Btw. it's possible to use One Drive instead of Google Drive (eg. for photos backup in the cloud, but not WhatsApp - if you have maybe Office 365 subscription.
And it's possible to have anything else running without Google - contacts, messaging, even a lot of applications indicating they need Google on the phone - they are working without Google anyway. Thet's except for paid apps, of course.