I want to modify my brodit car dock (Note 1) for my Note 2.
The first problem is, that the 619k resistor for tiggering car dock mode with fast charging (AC-Mode) isn´t recognized by the Note 2. Here ist the thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=820275&page=18
Okay, the fast charging-mode only (shown as "AC") can be triggered with pins D+ D- connected. But this isn't working too.
It seems, Samsung want Note 2-owners to buy original accessories only?
Frank2 said:
I want to modify my brodit car dock (Note 1) for my Note 2.
The first problem is, that the 619k resistor for tiggering car dock mode with fast charging (AC-Mode) isn´t recognized by the Note 2. Here ist the thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=820275&page=18
Okay, the fast charging-mode only (shown as "AC") can be triggered with pins D+ D- connected. But this isn't working too.
It seems, Samsung want Note 2-owners to buy original accessories only?
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What's the amperage of the adapter in mAh?
Frank2 said:
I want to modify my brodit car dock (Note 1) for my Note 2.
The first problem is, that the 619k resistor for tiggering car dock mode with fast charging (AC-Mode) isn´t recognized by the Note 2. Here ist the thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=820275&page=18
Okay, the fast charging-mode only (shown as "AC") can be triggered with pins D+ D- connected. But this isn't working too.
It seems, Samsung want Note 2-owners to buy original accessories only?
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FYI, on the S3 in the official jelly bean releases, car dock mode is totally broken, this may be the same for the note. car dock mode not triggered, charging not triggered and audio is not routed out of the car dock.
I have the Samsung Note 1 car dock.
It will charge the Note 2 but it will not put it into car mode. The usb connection is very slight between connected and not connected. It's not a perfect fit.
Frank2 said:
I want to modify my brodit car dock (Note 1) for my Note 2.
The first problem is, that the 619k resistor for tiggering car dock mode with fast charging (AC-Mode) isn´t recognized by the Note 2. Here ist the thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=820275&page=18
Okay, the fast charging-mode only (shown as "AC") can be triggered with pins D+ D- connected. But this isn't working too.
It seems, Samsung want Note 2-owners to buy original accessories only?
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Not exactly what you're asking, but I use Tasker in a similar situation to engage car dock mode. In my case, I'm using BT connection as a trigger (battery life is so good now I dont see the need to cut BT on and off as I did with Note1), instead of charging as a trigger. With Note1 I used charging as a trigger to cut BT on, the BT connection as a trigger for car dock mode (or absence of connection for 60 secs to turn BT back off). Bottom line, Tasker gives a lot more flexibility in creating scenarios than a hardwired solution, and with a lot less effort.
The Perseus kernel was updated recently, with this in its changelog, maybe you should give it a try?
Enabled OTG car dock, smart dock and music dock charging. Alternatively this can be triggered if you short pins 4 and 5 of the USB connector with a 40.2kΩ, 64.9kΩ or 619kΩ resistor.
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Hi hchxoom
That's an excellent idea. Just wondered if you were already doing this or is it just theoretical. Like others, when I use the original note car dock, it will charge but not route the speakers through the dock. I can plug the audio cable in to the headphone socket but that's fiddly and crappy sound. What you are saying is that I can force the audio to be redirected by using tasker to select dock mode?
Thanks
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nijinski said:
Hi hchxoom
That's an excellent idea. Just wondered if you were already doing this or is it just theoretical. Like others, when I use the original note car dock, it will charge but not route the speakers through the dock. I can plug the audio cable in to the headphone socket but that's fiddly and crappy sound. What you are saying is that I can force the audio to be redirected by using tasker to select dock mode?
Thanks
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Doing it now. Set it up a few weeks ago, or rather tweaked my Note1 setup. Still tweak it periodically as I find ways to improve it. I started down the nfc path briefly, and will experiment further, but havent yet found added asvantage.
The biggest difference btw current setup and Note1 setup is due to the phenomenal battery performance on Note2. On Note1 BT and GPS on all the time were killers, so my setup included scripts to turn them on and off, which complicated matters sifnificantly and, in the case of GPS, required root.
Now, I just leave BT and GPS on all the time (well, I also have tasker setup to begin cutting them off if not in use when batt hits 25%, but that is rarely triggered).
So, when I get in the car and turn it on, BT connects automatically. Tasker recognizes that change in connectivity and launches my CarMode actions. In my setting, it looks specifically for the connection with MY vehicle, not just any BT. The actions currently launched include: 1 turn on car mode, 2 turn off wifi (so I dont get offers to connect evry time I drive by McD's), 3 disable my lock screen (after first successful unlock), 4 load Ulysses Speedometer app (my preferred card dock base app), 5 /6/7 turn up BT volume, media volume , and incall volume to max (just in case I ever turned them down). IF charging (meaning I've also put it in my dock) it also disables screen sleep. Then end result of this is that I get my car setup every time I drive, even when I don't dock it... so it can stay in my pocket for a quick trip to the store and still have full features avail.
When the BT connection terminates (car off and exit), Tasker launches my exit actions, including: 1 car mode off, 2 turn on wifi, 3 go to home page of launcher, 4 reset my lockscreen password. I don't have to ask it to terminate the speedo app, bc that functionality is built into the app.
To make the above work (specifically lockscreen disable and reset) I also needed the SecureSettings plugin app.
Hope this helps.
Thanks for the info. I tried it out. Unfortunately just switching on car dock mode doesnt seem to output audio via the dock. All the other stuff seems to work well though. I just hope there is an official note 2 powered car dock in the not too distant future.
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nijinski said:
Thanks for the info. I tried it out. Unfortunately just switching on car dock mode doesnt seem to output audio via the dock. All the other stuff seems to work well though. I just hope there is an official note 2 powered car dock in the not too distant future.
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Worka fine for me via BT, but sounds like you're trying via usb... perhaps they changed the wiring a bit.
nijinski said:
Thanks for the info. I tried it out. Unfortunately just switching on car dock mode doesnt seem to output audio via the dock. All the other stuff seems to work well though. I just hope there is an official note 2 powered car dock in the not too distant future.
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All, we at iBOLT are working on finishing up the car-dock for the Note 2 with a release date around the 4 weeks from now. It will work with all cases too, including Otterbox Defender type. The big challenge is that there is no car-mode and no aux-out through the micro-usb in the latest Jellybean firmware version from Samsung for the Galaxy Note 2. Although anyone can still download and automatically start (using an NFC tag) any of the "vehicle interface" apps from the Google Play store, type applications like CarHome Ultra, it will not work as intended.
Without integrated car-mode support in the Jellybean firmware the "Car Home App" will not default as the new home screen. As a result pressing the "home" button will take the user back to the standard Samsung "home" screen instead of the "Car Home screen" from the app. A core value of car-mode, in our opinion, is that a user should be able to "toogle" between GPS Navigation apps, music players apps, camera, speed camera warning apps etc and any time press the "home" button on the phone and it should take the user back to the "car-home" interface. This is also how it has worked for the past few years and for reasons beyond anybody's understanding (including people working for Samsung) the latest Jellybean firmware does not have the great aux-out and car-mode functionality turned on.
If you want these features, help us out by contacting Samsung telling them to re-active these features in future upgrades.
Without integrated car-mode support in the Jellybean firmware the "Car Home App" will not default as the new home screen. As a result pressing the "home" button will take the user back to the standard Samsung "home" screen instead of the "Car Home screen" from the app. A core value of car-mode, in our opinion, is that a user should be able to "toogle" between GPS Navigation apps, music players apps, camera, speed camera warning apps etc and any time press the "home" button on the phone and it should take the user back to the "car-home" interface. This is also how it has worked for the past few years and for reasons beyond anybody's understanding (including people working for Samsung) the latest Jellybean firmware does not have the great aux-out and car-mode functionality turned on.
If you want these features, help us out by contacting Samsung telling them to re-active these features in future upgrades.
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Is it my understanding that the iBolt Hardware will support aux-out through the micro-usb once the firmware is updated? Also is it known if all firmware versions/ carrier models have this feature disabled?
MikaelPe said:
All, we at iBOLT are working on finishing up the car-dock for the Note 2 with a release date around the 4 weeks from now. It will work with all cases too, including Otterbox Defender type. The big challenge is that there is no car-mode and no aux-out through the micro-usb in the latest Jellybean firmware version from Samsung for the Galaxy Note 2. Although anyone can still download and automatically start (using an NFC tag) any of the "vehicle interface" apps from the Google Play store, type applications like CarHome Ultra, it will not work as intended.
Without integrated car-mode support in the Jellybean firmware the "Car Home App" will not default as the new home screen. As a result pressing the "home" button will take the user back to the standard Samsung "home" screen instead of the "Car Home screen" from the app. A core value of car-mode, in our opinion, is that a user should be able to "toogle" between GPS Navigation apps, music players apps, camera, speed camera warning apps etc and any time press the "home" button on the phone and it should take the user back to the "car-home" interface. This is also how it has worked for the past few years and for reasons beyond anybody's understanding (including people working for Samsung) the latest Jellybean firmware does not have the great aux-out and car-mode functionality turned on.
If you want these features, help us out by contacting Samsung telling them to re-active these features in future upgrades.
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but some people are reporting that USB Audio does work for the note 2?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1891086
or is this via OTG?
I contacted HTC support a couple of weeks ago by telephone concerning the removal of the configuration switch to allow the phone to stay awake when connected to external power.
They confirmed it was removed after version 1.29 but were confused as to why because, like me, they thought it was a bad move.
They asked me to do a written ticket via the support site, so I duly logged the query.
After a few messages back and forth as HTC collected information from me such as every version, serial, model number, telephone number, post code, hat size etc. I got a reply saying the configuration was removed to avoid screen burn.
I returned to them asking if this was an HTC One problem because my previous HTC HD phones had all been used on desktop docks and Car docks for extended times without screen burn. I also enquired why the CAR application was still on the One, as this application, like some music applications keeps the phone awake.
I was palmed off with hog wash replies but was tenacious asking for an answers to my points raised.
My audacity to request explanations appears to be unnaceptable and I received the following reply from HTC Technical Support..
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Thank you for contacting HTC.
As already said, the function has been removed on HTC One to prevent screen burn.
That is no if or but about that.
It is so.
That is a fact,.
If you want the function back, you have apps to download from Google Play.
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Translating from Englasia I think this basically means..
Listen Pin Head, stop bothering us for explanations, there is no if's or but's, now P*** off and annoy someone else.
Well I admit I was a bit unhappy with the resolution that was offered, however, having visited Google play I cannot find any applications that sense remote power to keep the phone awake.
So I am now even more dissappointed with my expensive HTC One that every day seems to do less than I hoped.
Has any one out there got screen burn on the One?
I would have though the extremely "contrasty" CAR application would be a definate candidate to leave Screen Burn as it does keep the display on, so maybe some one has experienced the problem?
Perhaps some one knows of an application that does keep the phne awake by sensing remote power?
Any suggestions gratefully received.
Regards
No screen burn on these displays, you can turn it back on with Sense 5 Toolbox, but requires xposed mod and root.
You might want to try Tasker to increase the display timeout when plugged in and decrease when unplugged.
BenPope said:
No screen burn on these displays, you can turn it back on with Sense 5 Toolbox, but requires xposed mod and root.
You might want to try Tasker to increase the display timeout when plugged in and decrease when unplugged.
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Hi,
I hesitate to go down the 'xposed mod and root' because I have not got the faintest idea what this is, and that shows that I do not have the technical capabilities to undertake the "rooting" stuff.
I will try the Tasker idea.
Thanks for your attention.
Regards
I ordered it over the weekend for my birthday -- was going to go through Best Buy but they were only going to offer me $40 trade in for my 256gb Tab S4 -- Samsung offered $300 plus a free set of Galaxy Buds2. So I took the deal.
Questions:
1) To root or not to root -- will rooting disrupt normal software upgrades? Any compelling reason to root (or not)? Are there guides to root the S8 Plus?
2) Are there any guides for debloating, even if this is just disabling bloatware?
3) Is there any real need to update accessories? I've got aa DVD/CD player, a HDMI + USB C hub, wireless mouse and keyboard, most other adaptors.
3A) What about power bricks? Most of my power bricks are either Samsung lightning chargers or USB C 20 Watt PD plugins.
4) Is there any way to optimize wireless transfer to shared drives on a PC? I usually use Solid Explorer; on the Tab S4 transfer speeds are really slow
5) I use Nova Launcher on my Tab S4. Is there any reason to switch to a different launcher?
6) With Nova Launcher Backup, I can easily get the app icons in the right places (assuming I keep Nova Launcher). Is there any way to backup your DEX desktop in a similar way?
7) Any other thoughts on the move from Tab S4 to S8 Plus?
Thanks,
Joe
Prepare yourself. WoT (Wall of Text) incoming.
drjoe1 said:
I ordered it over the weekend for my birthday
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First, Happy Birthday, whether it's late or soon.
drjoe1 said:
-- was going to go through Best Buy but they were only going to offer me $40 trade in for my 256gb Tab S4 -- Samsung offered $300 plus a free set of Galaxy Buds2. So I took the deal.
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Not bad at all. Awesome!
drjoe1 said:
1) To root or not to root --
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Root for me, always.
drjoe1 said:
will rooting disrupt normal software upgrades?
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Yes. Click the yellow "How To Guide" quick filter at the top of the list of threads in this section and you'll find a thread with directions on how to root in the first place and how to update while rooted. TL;DR: From memory, the process is nearly identical - one of the differences between first-time root of the device versus updating is flashing one particular file instead of another particular file.
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Any compelling reason to root (or not)? Are there guides to root the S8 Plus?
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See above answer for guide(s). It all depends on what you want out of root. I like full backups of every single app and app data including system apps. There are other things but I can't remember off the top of my head regarding root of Samsung devices - on my Pixel 6 Pro there are six or a dozen things I definitely like root for.
Edit: Just remember something else I like root for, but I'll cover that below (two questions down) in my answer to your accessories/hub question.
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2) Are there any guides for debloating, even if this is just disabling bloatware?
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I think I saw one also here you'd likely find in this section with either the "How To Guide" or "General" quick filter. I rarely debloat anymore, but my main mobile device being a Pixel I don't have any reason to want to debloat, and on my Samsung, I'd rather not micro-manage and take the chance I'll hinder some capability that I would normally have, and now I would have to troubleshoot what I debloated that I shouldn't have. Plus firmware/system apps change, and what's safe or not safe may change. It's just too much. I used to debloat like crazy, but I just don't anymore.
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3) Is there any real need to update accessories? I've got aa DVD/CD player, a HDMI + USB C hub, wireless mouse and keyboard, most other adaptors.
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No. If they're all USB-C or you have reliable adapters to use them with USB-C, then you're set. The only possible reason I could think is if you want a USB-C PD (Power Delivery) compatible hub that handles at least 45 watts so that you can externally power your hub and have the hub in turn charge your tablet at full power. I like the capability plus I wanted to be very minorly future-proof (no such thing) so I got a 100-watt GAN generation 3 three-port PD compatible charger, and a 100-watt USB-C hub where the hub's cable is a regular detachable USB-C <-> USB-C cable.
There's only one USB-C port on the tablet, so if you need to use a hub and charge the tablet at the same time, a PD-compatible charger and hub that support at least 45 watts would be ideal. Your mileage may vary with lower wattage of either.
Note that I treat my batteries relatively carefully. For all my devices, I try to not let go below 25%, I don't fast charge unless I really need to (so very rarely for my usage), and I only charge the device up to 75%.
Now for how this is related to root. I use something called ACC along with a GUI-front end app called AccA that allows you, using root, to turn off charging the device automatically when it reaches a top % you configure, and not charge the device until it's a low % you configure - more or less.
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3A) What about power bricks? Most of my power bricks are either Samsung lightning chargers or USB C 20 Watt PD plugins.
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See above. Tablet handles up to 45-watt, but you can use lower. I don't quick/fast charge my devices at all unless I really have a particular need to.
As you probably know, the tablet does not come with a charger. I don't even know if the USB-C cable it comes with handles 45-watt, or if it supports data speeds faster than USB 2.0. I have a surplus of previous plus new OEM and third-party cables.
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4) Is there any way to optimize wireless transfer to shared drives on a PC? I usually use Solid Explorer; on the Tab S4 transfer speeds are really slow
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Hmmmm. I don't have a great amount of experience with this. For heavy-duty (great quantity and/or size) transfers I only use cable. I've used X-plore File Manager's Wi-Fi mode to transfer wirelessly but only small files normally, and it's done fine. Maybe someone else has more experience.
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5) I use Nova Launcher on my Tab S4. Is there any reason to switch to a different launcher?
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Heck no. Nova Launcher (Prime) FTW and forever as far as I'm concerned. I used to try new devices' OEM launchers and other third-party ones, but I don't even bother anymore. I actually restored my phone's Nova Launcher (built-in app) backup to my tablet and will tweak from there when I have time. I like having the same things available at the same places on every device I use, and from old devices to new devices.
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6) With Nova Launcher Backup, I can easily get the app icons in the right places (assuming I keep Nova Launcher). Is there any way to backup your DEX desktop in a similar way?
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I haven't had any successful experience with DEX period, so I can't speak to that.
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7) Any other thoughts on the move from Tab S4 to S8 Plus?
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This is my first Samsung tablet, and only the second Android tablet I've ever bought for myself (and my wife). The other was back in 2014-2015 - the LG G-Pad 8.3.
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Thanks,
Joe
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You're welcome! Hope this helps and you enjoy whichever decision you make. Good luck!
WrT
Thanks a bunch. That was a lot to digest!
My birthday was yesterday (5/22). Another year older, thankfully not deeper in debt this year!
I started out with a Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 Edition, then a Tab S2, Tab S4 and now Tab S8 Plus. Climbing the ladder. For all people disparage Samsung, the Note 10.1 was a great productivity tool ten years ago; we are getting closer and closer to "laptop" as time goes by.
I've wanted an upgrade from the Tab S4 for a long time -- really missed a fingerprint reader, and feel the Tab S4 was really limited by only 4GB RAM. I played around for a while with DEX, but had multiple crashes related to too many apps open at one time. I really wish they would have opened up the Tab S8 Plus to a 16GB option. I just didn't want the size that goes with the Ultra.
I'll look over the guides; I haven't been active on XDA for a long time (since the Tab S4 was new), and the layout of the main page is different than it was. I see the guides for rooting and debloating.
Most of my accessories are either USB C, USB 3.0 or have adaptors/adaptor cables. My main hub is a UGREEN 70411 6-Port adaptor that claims it accepts up to 100W PD. It was necessary when using DEX on my TV -- with other hubs, I would lose power over time. But 20W PD on this hub was enough to the Tab S4at full charge. I'll look around for a 45W PD brick.
take care,
Joe
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Thanks a bunch. That was a lot to digest!
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You bet, you're welcome!
drjoe1 said:
My birthday was yesterday (5/22). Another year older, thankfully not deeper in debt this year!
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I hear that. Me too (not deeper in debt)!
drjoe1 said:
I started out with a Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 Edition, then a Tab S2, Tab S4 and now Tab S8 Plus. Climbing the ladder. For all people disparage Samsung, the Note 10.1 was a great productivity tool ten years ago; we are getting closer and closer to "laptop" as time goes by.
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I think Samsung makes great hardware, but I don't like their software anymore for my phone.
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I've wanted an upgrade from the Tab S4 for a long time -- really missed a fingerprint reader, and feel the Tab S4 was really limited by only 4GB RAM. I played around for a while with DEX, but had multiple crashes related to too many apps open at one time. I really wish they would have opened up the Tab S8 Plus to a 16GB option. I just didn't want the size that goes with the Ultra.
I'll look over the guides; I haven't been active on XDA for a long time (since the Tab S4 was new), and the layout of the main page is different than it was. I see the guides for rooting and debloating.
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XDA changed the software for their forum out of necessity roughly two years ago, maybe a little less, I don't recall exactly. I was an RC at the time and I, too, wasn't very active. Since I got my Pixel 1 in 2016 and was very satisfied with it, I spent less and less time until the Pixel 6 Pro with 512 GB of storage was announced last year. Right around the time for the pre-order of it was when I started being just as or even more active on XDA as I used to be.
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Most of my accessories are either USB C, USB 3.0 or have adaptors/adaptor cables. My main hub is a UGREEN 70411 6-Port adaptor that claims it accepts up to 100W PD. It was necessary when using DEX on my TV -- with other hubs, I would lose power over time. But 20W PD on this hub was enough to the Tab S4at full charge. I'll look around for a 45W PD brick.
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Very nice. If you don't know, the "GAN" technology used in some chargers the last few years makes chargers noticeably smaller, although it's not a requirement so it's just whatever your preference is. It's not specific to any one manufacturer, and the 3rd generation GAN that I referenced is even smaller than the 2nd generation was.
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take care,
Joe
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You too, see you around the forum!
WrT
Keep in mind rooting a new device will void whole warranty completely and it will trip KNOX permanently so apps like samsung pass, secret folder and so will stop working since they require working KNOX chip.
So I would never root a brand new device that has 1-2 years valid warranty since if the device decides to lay off or get issue with graphics or similar then warranty can cover it. But that won't be available if you have rooted because of bootloader is unlocked and has triggered the KNOX chip permanently.
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I ordered it over the weekend for my birthday -- was going to go through Best Buy but they were only going to offer me $40 trade in for my 256gb Tab S4 -- Samsung offered $300 plus a free set of Galaxy Buds2. So I took the deal.
Questions:
1) To root or not to root -- will rooting disrupt normal software upgrades? Any compelling reason to root (or not)? Are there guides to root the S8 Plus?
2) Are there any guides for debloating, even if this is just disabling bloatware?
3) Is there any real need to update accessories? I've got aa DVD/CD player, a HDMI + USB C hub, wireless mouse and keyboard, most other adaptors.
3A) What about power bricks? Most of my power bricks are either Samsung lightning chargers or USB C 20 Watt PD plugins.
4) Is there any way to optimize wireless transfer to shared drives on a PC? I usually use Solid Explorer; on the Tab S4 transfer speeds are really slow
5) I use Nova Launcher on my Tab S4. Is there any reason to switch to a different launcher?
6) With Nova Launcher Backup, I can easily get the app icons in the right places (assuming I keep Nova Launcher). Is there any way to backup your DEX desktop in a similar way?
7) Any other thoughts on the move from Tab S4 to S8 Plus?
Thanks,
Joe
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As roirraW has already respond with plenty of useful info, I won't go into AS much detail, but I'll still give some.
1. I personally root any device I have that can be rooted. Unless it can't be rooted, it's absolutely gonna get rooted. If your device is rooted and your device offers you a software update (which it shouldn't unless you somehow managed to make your device status show up as official) then allowing it to install will just fail. Even if you don't have a custom recovery installed, having a modified rom will not allow updates to be installed. You'll have to patch some newer firmware with Magisk and use Odin to flash the newer firmware. There is a guide to root the S8+, along with the S8 and S8U. Just use the "how to / guide" filter and it should be the first thing you see. Very easy to follow.
2. There is also a guide to debloat in the same "how to" section as the root guide. I've seen it, and while it's pretty lengthy, it's essential as there is quite a bit of bloatware.
3. There's only the one USB C port on the tablet, so I'd just plug em all in and see what works and what doesn't, but you shouldn't have much issue with it.
3a. Like roirraW said, the tablet supports fast charging up to 45W, but I personally use the Anker 65W charging brick as it's from a company I trust and is less expensive than the official Samsung ones.
4. Not really sure about this one. If you're referring to an FTP server than I'd recommend you to keep using Solid Explorer, as it's the one I use for wirelessly transfering files from one device to another.
5. I used to use Nova Launcher, and I'd still recommend it as it's super simple to use and offers a lot of customization. Even so, I really enjoy the OneUI Launcher, enough to where I've fully switched over to it. OneUI has gotten so much better over the years, and it feels great to not be basically required to use a 3rd party launcher to have a nice UI. So, I'd either use Nova or the stock OneUI launcher. Up to you though.
6. I used Nova Backup to get my apps in roughly the same positions as they were before, but there are bound to be some issues if not every single app you used on your previous device is present on your newer one. Regardless, the backup system works well and you can use it no worries. However, the same can't be said about Dex as you can't change your Dex launcher. You can't even open Nova in Dex last I checked.
7. I actually switched from the Tab S4 to the Tab S8+ (used the S7+ for a short time before upgrading), and it's night and day. I love this tablet so much, and I use it every day for all of my needs. Whether it be gaming, productivity, or anything that I used to do on my Tab S4, it's so much better on the Tab S8+. I even got the keyboard attachment that comes in two pieces; the magnetic back cover which protects the S-Pen, and the keyboard with the trackpad. The trackpad is on the lower-end side, so I'd just use a wireless (or wired) mouse instead, but the keyboard feels nice to type on, has sufficient spaces for your palms to rest on, and has the F1-F12 row that serves various, useful functions.
Here's another text wall for you to read. Hopefully this gives you some more useful info alongside roirraW's.
Thanks also for your thoughts.
Regarding file transfer: I have drive sharing enabled on hard drives attached to my windows 10 laptop. They are mapped in Solid Explorer as network drives. I've got my video library on them, as well as the backup for my eBook's library, my pictures library, music backup, documents archive, etc. Usually I download videos on my tablet and then transfer them to the video library on the laptop. Then I stream from the laptop to Chromecast on my TV, with the Tab S4, video conversion to allow Chromecast sometimes leads to choppy video when casting. Or I stream directly on my tablet. But anyhow, the transfer speed to the hard drives is very slow... Less than 20 Mb/s which means it takes a long time to transfer multi GB movies (or multiple episodes of a seasonal show, which can add up fast). Direct copying to/from the drives from the laptop is 100MB/s. What kind of wireless transfer speeds do you get?
The new tablet is supposed to be delivered tomorrow!
Take care,
Joe
@drjoe1 the Tab S4 10.5 (I assume is the same) used Samsung's UFS 2.1, and the Tab S8+ uses UFS 3.1. Here are speed differences listed. It could offer some improvement in speed if it was part of the bottleneck, although I'm not sure if it was. The "3 x enhancement" etc for 3.1 is probably with respect to 3.0, which I cut out of the quote.
UFS 2.1Following are features of UFS 2.1.
• Introduction year : 2017
• Memory options : 512 GB, 1 TB, Automotive versions
• Sequential Read (Mbps) : 860 Mbps ( with 512GB )
• Sequential Write (Mbps) : 255 Mbps ( with 512GB )
• Random Read (IOP/sec) : 42,000 ( with 512GB )
• Random Write (IOP/sec) : 40,000 ( with 512GB )
UFS 3.1Following are features of UFS 3.1.
• Introduction year : 2020
• Memory options : 256 GB, 512 GB
• Sequential Read (Mbps) : 2100 ( with 512GB )
• Sequential Write (Mbps) : 1200 Mbps (3 x enhancement) ( with 512GB )
• Random Read (IOP/sec) : 100,000 (1.6 x enhancement) ( with 512GB )
• Random Write (IOP/sec) : 70,000 (1.3 x enhancement) ( with 512GB )
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UFS 4.0 has been announced and speculated that the Galaxy S23 will use it.
I got my Tab S8 Plus yesterday!
First impressions:
1) It's big.
2) An inch or two extra in each direction compared to the Tab S4 is big. I can't imagine carrying an Ultra around. I'm sure I'll get used to the larger size, but maybe an S8 would have been a better size.
3) Transfer to the new tablet was smooth. Nova Launcher is awesome -- I restored the settings from my old tablet, and it put all the icons in the right places. Then tap on the icon to open Play Store, or side load the app and it is good to go. I used SmartSwitch to transfer contacts, messages, and home screen, and I was surprised that it didn't only copy the home screen images, but it copied the DEX desktop layout. I didn't run DEX until I had already reloaded all the aps, so I had nothing to do to set up the DEX desktop.
4) DEX is weird -- less options in the settings. I was fooled by one of the few -- it does screen mirroring by default If you plug in an HDMI cable & then turn on DEX -- The only way not to screen-mirror is to enable "start DEX on HDMI connection" -- in which case you get the TV in DEX and the tablet in Android.
5) Did I mention it is BIG?
Thanks all for your helpful information,
Joe
6) Trusted places no longer is an option I can find for unlocking the tablet. Not that unlock on 4 character pin + unlock on face recognition + unlock on thumbprint aren't options enough, but it was nice making my apartment a "safe place".
7) Also about face recognition -- so much better than iris recognition on the Tab S4! I wear strong prescription glasses, and had to remove them for iris recognition.. No more! I still have a problem with the location of the tablet /direction of the camera related to "where the camera points" and "where my face is" related to the tablet stand I use.... the angle and height of the tablet make my face half below the field of view of the camera
8) Apps not optimized for tablets are a much bigger problem (pun intended) on the Tab S8+ than on the Tab S4 if nothing else because of the bigger size of the tablet. I like Catan Classic, and it is close to un-playable on the Tab S8+.
9) DeX over PC -- I thought the Tab S4 couldn't do DeX over PC because it was too old... Turns out the Tab S8+ can't either. Samsung Tablets in general don't support DeX on PC. How stupid is that? Let's take the productivity platform and make it less productive! I tried for at least an hour to get the damn thing to connect before I found some references that tablets are left out. Rotten!
take care,
Joe
drjoe1 said:
6) Trusted places no longer is an option I can find for unlocking the tablet. Not that unlock on 4 character pin + unlock on face recognition + unlock on thumbprint aren't options enough, but it was nice making my apartment a "safe place".
7) Also about face recognition -- so much better than iris recognition on the Tab S4! I wear strong prescription glasses, and had to remove them for iris recognition.. No more! I still have a problem with the location of the tablet /direction of the camera related to "where the camera points" and "where my face is" related to the tablet stand I use.... the angle and height of the tablet make my face half below the field of view of the camera
8) Apps not optimized for tablets are a much bigger problem (pun intended) on the Tab S8+ than on the Tab S4 if nothing else because of the bigger size of the tablet. I like Catan Classic, and it is close to un-playable on the Tab S8+.
9) DeX over PC -- I thought the Tab S4 couldn't do DeX over PC because it was too old... Turns out the Tab S8+ can't either. Samsung Tablets in general don't support DeX on PC. How stupid is that? Let's take the productivity platform and make it less productive! I tried for at least an hour to get the damn thing to connect before I found some references that tablets are left out. Rotten!
take care,
Joe
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Face recognition isn't as safe as iris recognition. Since you can manipulate the face recognition and unlock the device easy. It even states a warning when setting upp face recognition that it is not as safe than password/pin is.
Jake.S said:
Face recognition isn't as safe as iris recognition. Since you can manipulate the face recognition and unlock the device easy. It even states a warning when setting upp face recognition that it is not as safe than password/pin is.
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Of course you are correct. But I don't expect an experienced hacker will ever try to break into my tablet. As far as I'm concerned, the security is there so someone can't pick up my tablet and have direct access to my file. If I leave it in a public place, or have it stolen, someone probably won't have my picture or know what I look like. I'm not particularly worried that a thief will take my picture then steal my tablet. I'm also not terribly worried about the FBI or law enforcement breaking into my phone -- I don't know why they would.
Face recognition is so much more convenient than iris recognition when you wear strong prescription glasses. By the time I take my glasses off, the camera has timed out and needs to be restarted.
I think for a casual tablet owner, it isn't such a risky thing. Of course, not so necessary when you have the fingerprint reader available.
Joe
drjoe1 said:
Of course you are correct. But I don't expect an experienced hacker will ever try to break into my tablet. As far as I'm concerned, the security is there so someone can't pick up my tablet and have direct access to my file. If I leave it in a public place, or have it stolen, someone probably won't have my picture or know what I look like. I'm not particularly worried that a thief will take my picture then steal my tablet. I'm also not terribly worried about the FBI or law enforcement breaking into my phone -- I don't know why they would.
Face recognition is so much more convenient than iris recognition when you wear strong prescription glasses. By the time I take my glasses off, the camera has timed out and needs to be restarted.
I think for a casual tablet owner, it isn't such a risky thing. Of course, not so necessary when you have the fingerprint reader available.
Joe
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You don't have to be experienced to fool face recognition which is why warning appears since it's quite easy to manipulate it. So anyone can do it without skills.
Another update and more impressions...
1) I followed Jake's advice and wiped face recognition. It really isn't needed with the thumbprint reader placed in easy access when holding the tablet in landscape orientation. Plus the feature that the four-digit PIN automatically unlocks after you put the correct four digits makes putting pin in very fast.
2) I love super fast charge. This is the first device I have with it (my phone is a Galaxy S10 Plus). It really is fast enough that you can charge the phone between planes in an airport terminal.
3) [Charging rant on] Charging is and has always been more mysterious than it should be. I found out that all cables were not the same back with my first tablet in 2014. And that you had to read the fine print to determine the gauge of the mini- and micro- USB cables. Then that chargers weren't the same. There is table at https://www.digitalcitizen.life/fast-charging-standards/ that has over TWENTY EIGHT different standards. And Samsung doesn't use the standard standards! My understanding is that Samsung Adaptive fast Charge was really a castrated version of Qualcomm Quick Charge 2! And now they have Samsung Super Fast 1.0 and 2.0 as separate standards again from PD! So how do you know if a brick supports Super fast 2.0? You'd think it would have gotten better with PD and USB C, but no! Samsung is still Samsung!
So I got an awesome charger that is also a power bank ( https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08DC99CB5 ), and I get the Super Fast Charge with it. But I still don't have a clue how the damn thing works. First, they rate the primary charge on the native 3.8V lithium ion batteries. 10,000 mAh. But the battery pack has to convert this (with losses) to a USB standard voltage. This used to be 5V, and they do still tell you the rating at 5V. 5,800mAh. But the PD (Power Delivery) standard uses 5V, 9V, 12V, 15V, and 20V. I have no idea what the battery rating is for the higher voltages. And then, the tablet has to take the 20V, 15V, 12V, 9V, and 5V and convert them with losses back to 4V to charge the internal battery. And if the internal battery is charged and you are maintaining the battery level, I don't know if it is powering the tablet directly (and at what voltage) or topping off the tablet battery at 4V as it discharges. And what the efficiency is. So how much charge do I get with a battery pack? I don't know!
And now there is more USB-C cable madness. Again, you have to figure the gauge of the cable! And it seems sometimes they rate cables by current rating not gauge. Sometimes they tell you descriptively it is for fast charging sometime they don't. And add to that the mysterious "Super Fast Charge 2.0" (not to be mixed up with "Fast Wireless Charging 2.0")! It seems you need a cable with an "E-Mark" chipset to run at currents over 5A. And maybe for 20V -- it isn't clear to me if E-Mark is related to "Super Fast Charge 2.0" kicks in. And I can't find any documentation for it except references on the S20 series phones ( https://www.samsung.com/global/galaxy/what-is/super-fast-charging/ ). The S20's seem to be 45W just like the Tab S8+. But other info on Super Fast Charge 2.0 suggests it is for 65W or 100W laptops.
So does "Super Fast Charging 2.0" exist on the Tab S8 series? I don't know. When does it kick in? I don't know. How much faster is it? I don't know. Why do they need to make this so confusing? I don't know. I have a PhD in Physics and work as an engineer in a semiconductor factory that makes wide band-gap chip products for chargers, and I don't know!
Hahaha.... [Charging rant off] Very frustrating. But liking the tablet. Still getting used to the size.
Joe