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Hi,
Could everyone post their experiences of using different SD cards, please include any problems experienced and anythingelse that might be useful for a buyer, e.g. what you use the card for, as certain cards work fine but cause problems with some applications e.g. Tom Tom 5 and the fone dialer. Also please include the make, model, price, the where you bought the card and what you use the card for.
The reason for this topic is that, I read in the forums people have had problems with different cards and applications. All this information is spread across the forum. It would be really handy for a buyer (like me) to have a thread like this...
Many Thanks!
At the moment I use an "ADTEC" 256mb card, it works fine with TT3 and does not seem to crash my xda2i, But it is a couple of years old and i am about to get a 512mb card, So it will be interesting for me to see how this thread develops.
Transcend 80x 512MB.
Works perfectly with everything including TomTom.
yeah transend 80x ,but i do think any 80x will work ,but 1 person found the transend 80x worked so i think we all bought them as we were just glad we finally found a working sd card ,well i know i was
but it would be interesting to see what other can be used succesfully
I recently bought an Ebuyer own brand 1GB SD card for £32
When it arrived it was actually a Kingston branded card!
I'm not the only person this has happened to...check out the reviews on Ebuyer.
Anyway, I've only had it for about a week but I've had no problems with it so far.
Not really used it exstensively but I've currently got about 300MB worth of music on it.
Good price, Good product I think.
Cheers
Wayne
I have a Corsair 1GB 40x card. I haven't used it much, and I know virtually nothing about these things... But it works. ~£40 from dabs.com.
i dont have money to buy a new SD Card, so I take my brother camera SD Card. mine one just 256mb and the brand is NCP.
work fine for me.....lagging for 2 seconds when incoming call...after that its ok.....but i dont recommended to others!
Have A-Data 150x SD 2Gb card. Works fine. No delays or such, even on moves, even on incoming calls.
Transcend 80x 1GB........... No problem whatsoever... even when running TomTom Navigator 5
Take back what I previously said. I can't access the card on my PDA now - it simply doesn't show up
Not sure if it's the PDA or the card because I've only just realised and I don't have a card reader at work...will have to try when I get home and update then.
Cheers
Wayne
I'm sending the card back under warranty.
Also, it wasn't a Kingston...it was Viking branded card (not sure where I got the Kingston from )
Cheers
Wayne
what about pretec 133x 1gb? anyone tried it b4? Do we just judge the speed? if it is above 80x it would work fine?
thanks everyone for youre input. ive ordered a ridata 1GB SD card. its a 66x speed card. i read somewhere cant remember where now that tomtom needs a 10mbs card which is 66x speed which my main reason for buying the card will let you know how it goes when i receive the card.
Negative experience
Hi,
I bought a 1GB 66x BRAVO SD Card at Ebay.
Since then, my Alpine crashes over and over again.
I Soft reset it 5-10 times a day!
I guess it's the SD Card's fault as the device never crashes without the card.
Hi!
I have my XDA IIi for about 2 weeks now. So far I didn't have any problems with my SD-Cards.
I have a 256MB SD Card extrememory (no fancy speed...) that works quite well. I used it several days without problems and now have placed my rom backup on it.
The other SD Card I now use mainly for my XDA IIi is a 2GB Card from Transcent (150x). Until now I didn't had any strange problems with it (used it for about one and a half week).
I've finally found an SD card that works with Tomtom5 without crashing - it the Transcend 80x SD Card.
I've tried loads of others some better than others, but all crashed within minutes of starting TT5 except the Transcend.
Some other SD Cards were fine running Tomtom 3, but would not run Tomtom5 as all.
I've had the following cards that cause TT5 to crash:-
Kingston Ultimate 133x 512Mb
Kingston Elite 80x 512Mb
Scandisk 512Mb
The only other card that I've had that didn't cause TT5 to crash was :-
Compaq 128Mb (speed unknown as it came with an iPaq) but not big enough.
alinoorrahman said:
thanks everyone for youre input. ive ordered a ridata 1GB SD card. its a 66x speed card. i read somewhere cant remember where now that tomtom needs a 10mbs card which is 66x speed which my main reason for buying the card will let you know how it goes when i receive the card.
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Sorry alinoorahman - I fear I got to disappoint you :? I got a ridata card as well (256 MB, 66x). I also encounter the problem that it`s only available randomly.
Btw: 1GB extrememory won`t work neither :evil: big ****e
4gb sd card
wil a 4gb sd card work with an xda 11i or an exec??????
RE: SD Card with Alpine
Hi All,
I use a Zynet 1Gb 68x and my TomTom only has a problem with incoming calls. freezing to solve it, I turn my BT GPS on and off and this fixes it.
My friend is using a Qtek 2020i with Tomtom and a Transcend 1Gb 80x,
he has the same problem as me.
I don't know if the new 1.04 Radio version would help or not, when I get the energy I will upgrade my XDA IIi to this and test.
My opinion is that the Alpine has an internal power problem, as it only occurs with Bluetooth on, causing a power drain when a call is received thus your SD card briefly loses power. Its only a theory, the weight is towards some sort of design fault with the Alpine, otherwise one of the Carries etc would have sourced an answer by now, as the Alpine has been out long enough now. We cannot blame SD cards which work perfectly well with the majority of other electrical devices on the market.
hello..i got a 1 gb sandisk sd card which works fine in my qtek 2020i and i also use tom tom 5 with this and a 1gb pny sd card as well.
i never new there was all these problems with sd cards :shock:, saying that i always bought sandisk and they have not let me down before with this ppc phone or my past ppc phone like the spv m1000.
Hi there,
It looks like newer Transcend cards are not immune to the TomTom lock up issue.
I have an O2 branded XDA2i with PUGS rom etc. It runs TomTom5.21 fine with the first Transcend 1GB card I bought.
When I'm in the car, I have the phone connected to my car kit via bluetooth. When I make a call, TomTom continues to run, but shows the mute symbol. When I hang up the call, TomTom carries on as normal.
I decided to buy another Trancend card as a backup. This time, though whenever I make a call - TomTom locks up. As in other peoples posts, sometimes this can be cured by pulling the card and re-inserting, other times a soft reset is required.
I thought I'd got a faulty card, so bought another with the intention of returning the faulty one.
The new card shows the same problem.
All three cards were bought within two months of each other.
Anybody else seeing issues with new Transcend cards anfd TomTom?
Cheers,
Chris.
Could you have a look to how are your cards format?
32kb in fat32?
May be they are different...
It's interesting!
Hi there,
I used PocketMechanic to reformat the card to the same spec as the working card. Also tried many other combinations.
Dosn't make any difference on either of the two non working cards.
Perhaps my XDA is extra sensitive to power or speed of the card - but the two newer cards are definetly different.
Be warned all of you that think Transcend is the Holy Grail for SD cards.
Chris.
I have lockups using transcend 2gb 150x...tried several different format tools - it didn't help...
i don't know what to do with it...=(
I can't even listen to music because of pauses... I even tried a player which cashes songs into ram.... but what is strange - it didn't help...
but I think thats because of player didn't cash anything but said that did...
because I don't understand how can it stop playing for 1-2 seconds each minute with cash for 5mb or 5 minutes of music... =|
There is another post related to the same subject:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=240871#240871
I am experiencing the same problem.
I've bought the 1GB x80 TRANSCEND SD card a little less than a month ago because it was supposed to cure all QTEK2020i problems.
But in fact it hasn't changed ANYthing compared to the LEXAR x32 1GB I was using before.
So, I decided to upgrade my QTEK rom with PUGS rom while taking the risk of voiding the QTEK warranty.
Unfortunatly, it hasn't solved my problems either. It seemed more stable initialy, and has cured GPRS usage problems and brought slighlty better GSM quality, but that's all with my settings.
Someone has reported this week, that moving from SD to MMC has cured his TT5 problems.
I keep my fingers crossed hoping that this one will be the right fix.
For people who bought their PDA through EXPANSYS, I encourage you to join this support poll:
http://www.expansys.com/forumthread.asp?code=121444&thread=35&man=QTEK
And for those who bought the QTEK version of this PDA, I encourage you to complain about the lack of any suppoet on that product.
look at my solution here....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=43143
hope that will help..[/url]
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look at my solution here....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=43143
hope that will help..[/url]
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I am sorry Ice_mephi but I don't see any solution there, or I've mistunderstood your comments.
I understand that your SD card might have had errors and they got fixed with the StorageTools application, but I don't see any link between this problem and the TT5.21 freezes. Thanks anyway for mentionning this application.
Listening to music out of any SD card has never been a problem for me, and hans't ben reported as being one from polls I've read so far.
Have I mistunderstood anything ?
I've been using the Transcend 80x 1Gb card with Tom Tom 5.21 on my XDAIIi with absolutely no problems at all for at least a month now (including traffic updates via GPRS). I used tha card as supplied, without reformatting etc.
Andy R said:
I've been using the Transcend 80x 1Gb card with Tom Tom 5.21 on my XDAIIi with absolutely no problems at all for at least a month now (including traffic updates via GPRS). I used tha card as supplied, without reformatting etc.
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Hello Andy, also including POIS? Or only with the default installation.
Yes - I have POIs installed. It is set to remind me when I am near petrol stations and wi-fi hotspots (which I have set up myself).
I couldn't believe that the type of SD card would solve this, but it did, and I have never had a problem since!
Andy R said:
Yes - I have POIs installed. It is set to remind me when I am near petrol stations and wi-fi hotspots (which I have set up myself).
I couldn't believe that the type of SD card would solve this, but it did, and I have never had a problem since!
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SD? Another users say that the MMC is working better. :?
I have trascend SD 1Gb 80x, without pois it works perfect, but with them I have freezes... :?
From my experience, changing from a LEXAR x32 1GB to a TRANSCEND x80 1GB didn't solve the problem. Other persons mentionned that they got to the same conclusion with latest TRANSCEND SD cards.
Changing the SD formatting seems to have fixed most of TT5 issues with my TRANSCEND card but I haven't got on trip for hours to confirm it.
People who moved from SD to MMC seem to have got rid of any TT5 freezes.
EricD
MMC is the way ahead
I've tried all the stuff mentioned here, including getting a transcend sd card, and although it behaved for about an hour, it started freezing and locking regular after that. I now use a 1Gb TwinMOS MMC+ card, and after 400miles yesterday have not had a single problem. Take what you want from this, but my TT5.21 seems to prefer MMC.
MMC.... is the answer
Replaced my Transcend 1Gb & SanDisk Extreme III SD's for MMC and had no more lockups since
See this similiar post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=240871#240871
So... Yesterday I did one thing - and as the result - no lockups while listening to music today...
I have Qtek 2020i and trancsend 150x 2GB SD card.
What I did:
1) formatted my SD card using card reader.
2) than copied music to card with card reader too.
3) inserted card into ppc - tried to listen to music and got lots of lockups....
4) some days ago I found a tool for fixing errors SD card on ppc(format and defragment also): "Storage Tools 2.0". I tried to check sd card with it - and it found lots of errors on sd card.. (there were 2 kind of errors: "lost chains of files" and "2 files pointing same data").. so I runned it and it removed those errors...
5) today I listened to music almost all the day - and wow! there were no lockups!
I do belive that that lockups are caused by some harware fault while reading and writing data to SD card via ppc. but that program somehow corrects errors...don't know how..
but ! be carefull - I tried to format my card using that tool - but after that - my ppc and PC showed me that the card has no free space - I tried to reformat it via card reader and other tools - it didn't help.
but on transcend homepage I found util for correcting "free space issue" (that is that card's known issue i think..) and it saved my card...
and one more advice - when you'll check your cards for errors - set option to correct errors automaticly, or you will get thousands of messages asking fix or not each found error, and aborting checking won't help.. (I waited for 20 minutes after I pressed stop button - than just soft reseted ppc...)...
so here is that util:
http://www.softwinter.com/storagetools.html
you can use it without paying for it as I understood.
use at your own risk anyway...
That sounds like good news Ice.....
Lets see what others have to say, especially with TT5.
Well I still get the occasional TomTom lock up with my bog standard bought in Tesco's 256MB SD card, formatted to FAT32 2kb (about 1 lockup per 3 days, compared to 1 lockup per 30 mins before I switched to PUGS 1.11.162 and reformatted the card), so I just downloaded and tried this with some interesting results...
I analysed my storage card and it told me that there were errors. So I ran repair (manually clicking ok on each error) and I got a few lost file chains, but about 30 "Bad Directory Entry". When it finished, I ran the "Verify" again, and it told me there were still errors. Ran repair again, this time just 3 "Bad Directory Entry" errors.
Upshot, each time I check it with this tool it tells me there are errors, and doesn't seem to be able to fix them. Pocket Mechanic on the other hand tells me that my card is fine and that there are no errors.
Don't know which to believe.
hm...wes there any work with card between checks? if there were some write operations it could cause new errors.. if that util worked from sd card exspecially..
I have no other card to test it myself...but my seems to work fine..
while listening to music I had lockuos about every 5 minutes...it's gone..
now I am going to try installing some programs to card and more music and see what happens...
So I tried to add\remove some data from card - no errors appeared - and no lock ups still...
so now i think that formatting SD card clears only header of a card, and leaves some info on free space - which can cause such trouble when accessing new data....
Used StorageTools to reformat SD as FAT32, 2K cluster size
Downloaded TT5 maps and ran Scan with Repair option but still issues with TT 5.21 lockup!!
Tried with both 1Gb SanDisk Extreme III and 1Gb Transcend 80x
heh =|
btw, you all speak about tomtom lockup, do you have lockups when listening to music? because I never used tomtom - I just had problems with music....
I think the corrupted data on the cards is caused by momentary power losses which the card reader experiences (thanks to a fault in the Alpine hardware), if I remember past discussion on this forum correctly...
Also, is the Transcend SD card an MLC or SLC card? Because as far as I know, SLCs don't suffer from the data problems MLC cards suffer sometimes when used in Alpines.
Chris,
How can you find out if the Transcend SD is MLC or SLC ?
Would upgrading to a later ROM fix the problem?
If you search the forums for the threads discussing MLC Vs. SLC, I think you'll find out your answer.
Basically, I believe the only ways to tell if a card is SLC or MLC are to either have a program which will tell you (I don't know of one myself), or check the manufacturer's web site for technical information... Or ask someone who may know.
I don't believe upgrading the ROM will solve the problem, it's a hardware issue (the card readers are too sensitive to power fluctuations). It was previously assumed that the latest Transcend cards were immune from the problems with some other makes of SD card, but it seems from various user reports that they do indeed suffer - usually randomly - from similar problems.
Another user reported that after switching from SD cards to MMC cards, the problem was alleviated, and he went from experiencing quite a few lockups daily to absolutely no problems at all. Therefore, it may be worth your while sending back the Transcend card and buying an MMC (which you're quite entitled to do if you're a UK resident and you purchased the card recently from a UK retailer, thanks to the Distance Sale of Goods Act).
There are other posts related to the same subject:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=240871#240871
and
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=39122&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=25
Someone has reported last week, that moving from SD to MMC has cured his TT5 problems.
For people who bought their PDA through EXPANSYS, I encourage you to join this support poll:
http://www.expansys.com/forumthread.asp?code=121444&thread=35&man=QTEK
And for those who bought the QTEK version of this PDA, I encourage you to complain about the lack of any support on that product.
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christopherwoods said:
Another user reported that after switching from SD cards to MMC cards, the problem was alleviated, and he went from experiencing quite a few lockups daily to absolutely no problems at all.
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ericd91 said:
Someone has reported last week, that moving from SD to MMC has cured his TT5 problems.
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We're on the same wavelength
I had a 1Gb Sandisk, I had to buy a Transcend 80x 1Gb, and know do you think we have to buy another card (MMC)!!!??
Please QTEK!!!! Solve IT!!!!
Well, if you can't return the item for a refund, you could always flog it on eBay.
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Well, if you can't return the item for a refund, you could always flog it on eBay.
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I don't think the problem of TomTom lockups is caused by momentary power losses which the card reader experiences as stated by christopherwoods.
The card readers may be too sensitive to power fluctuations, but after doing the following testing, here is below the results I had:
1 - Transcend 2 Go SD card 150X (2Go) with QTEK 2020i using TOMTOM
5.21, but I took out the SIM card of my phone (so no more GSM signal)
I did not suffer any lockups with TOMTOM during many trips
2 - Transcend 2 Go SD card 150X (2Go) with QTEK 2020i using TOMTOM
5.21, but I put back the SIM card in my phone, and here are the
lockups back again.
I noticed that when my phone is searching for GSM signal (when moving from one cell to another, or in weak signal area), then it is precisly the time where TOMTOM lockup. Maybe it is when QTEK2020i search for GSM signal then there is power fluctuations on the card reader of the phone, which result with a lockup of TOMTOM or other applications (as stated by other people).
In this case, christopherwoods would be right.
Anyway, I have moved since more then one week to a Kingston 2Go MMC Plus Card, and I said goodbye to all the lockups problems, it works perfectly, and I'm very happy with my 2020i.
I can't say for sure, I've never experienced any problems like this on my 2i (but I have a fairly old 256mb SD card which JUST fits TT5 and the GB and NL plus maps, my largest SD card I use in my digital camera). All I mentioned in my previous post were things other people either took an educated guess at, or mentioned might be the cause of the problem. It seems that a fair few peoples' bug reports and diagnoses of their problems were quite similar though, which led me to believe that this is probably the cause.
It would fit, if the device needs to draw more power than available to boost the signal strength to handshake with a cell, I'd expect all the other interfaces to suffer as a result, the memory card unfortunately being particularly susceptible (especially with these newest, HUGE memory cards which I can only imagine are really sensitive to voltage change, being so tightly packed into the chip).
I don't think temporary power losses have anything to do with the problems we are facing.
TRANSCEND SD cards as most of FLASH cards assemblers work at 3.3V +/- 10 to 20%. For example the TRANSCEND 1GB x80 SL is given to work between 2.7V and 3.6V.
Also, the problems I have been having were the same with LEXAR 1GB x32 that used to be one of the reference cards for IPAQ2215, behaves the same way the TRANSCEND 1GB x80 does.
And TT5.21 freezes happen when the 2020i is plugged to the cigaret lighter adapter as well as being used on its onw battery.
A problem has been identified with TT5 when changing cell towers, and this might be still be the case even though TT5.21 was supposed to cure it.
I can reproduce the freezes 5min from home when entering a particular area, and changing cell tower migh have something to do with it.
When changing cell-phone tower I think it induces either higher data transfers between the radio module and the processor, or the opposite way keep it in hold for a pretty long time.
When looking at SD or MMC specs, I found out that several revisions of the MMC standard specifications have been released. So, I think the 2020i hardware or firmware version we are using, only supports a certain sets of this MMC/SD standards. The same issue was known on the IPAQ221x serie regarding BlueTooth.That PDA wasn't able to communicate properly with certain BT devices that implemented BT1.2 standard because of its hardware design. Also on that PDA certain SD cards weren't supported properly when running TT2 or 3. I found out at that time that running TT app & sound files out of RAM instead of SD was the cure to problems whatever SD card was used.
Unfortunatly, running TT5 and associated files out of SD or RAM doesn't change anything on the 2020i regarding freezes.
I think the problem is a hardware/firmware issue between cell-phone tower changes and SD card support.
Hope we'll figure out what the real issue is, and have a definitive fix for it.
So far, Bigdede's tip seems to be the one, unless other people than sybaseian have fix their problem when moving to newer ROM updates.
Hmm. Well, my old SD card is a PNY 256Mb, if that helps in diagnosis. I have the occasional problem with TT locking up if I try to load too many POI or display them on the map, you have to be patient with this SD card It's just got quite a slow access rate. That has to be one of the main reasons for this problem... Maybe the CPU just can't keep up with the fastest read/write rates of these new cards when it's having to think about loads of other stuff at the same time? Resulting in momentary data loss or corruption, just like WMP will sometimes stutter or crap out.
ericd91 said:
...I can reproduce the freezes 5min from home when entering a particular area, and changing cell tower migh have something to do with it...
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The same for me I can reproduce this lockup it in a particular point. But only when I have additional pois activated.
(I have trascend 1Gb 80x)
Without these pois, it works perfectly.
I broke my ipaq2490b which worked flawlessly with Wm6.1 and SDHC cards.
Now I have got this imate phone edition and from what every post has said, there are no rom images that supports sdhc (Ive tried most of them (which seem uniformly good in all other respects) listed in this forum over the last few days). I have also tried cab files etc for a number of other wm6.1 devices, all without success with either of my SDHC cards.
Now my question is, is there *anyone* out there that has had any luck getting a sdhc card to work, or could hopefully speculate on the problem as I am at my wits end, and theres a huge difference between 16MB SDHC and any card thats vanilla SD.
NB I do know you can format 4GB SDHC cards to Fat16 (therefore making them SD 4GB cards) but I kinda am hoping to get my 16GB card working.
no need for a seperate post, there has been no working edition of SDHC driver yet , all the ones you find will either wont work or will corrupt your existing SD drivers
Fair enough, I couldnt find anything (recent) that definitely stated that.
Any idea on what the problem is? If you have any leads on the matter I may go off and experiment on stuff, as I am reasonably brave in that regard, and the imate is pretty useless to me with only my smallish sd card anyway, its worth the effort..
NB thanks for the roms!
its the drivers, some have got them to work and some devices are still lying but we shouldnt let our hops down as we are running WM6.1 on a devices which recieved the last official WM2003 Upgrade in year 2004
Hello,
i've got a new (used) mteor, with the original operating system (WM5.0). I've put into it a 4gb micro SD, but the phone does not recognize it. The card came straight out of my TyTnII, and worked fine there.
Question: does the mteor have a size limit on card capacities?
thanks.
official SD driver in MTeoR doesn't support SDHC (4GB and higher) cards.
Moreover, WM5 is not designed for SDHC either.
SDHC support had been appeared with WM6. But special SD host driver comatible with SDHC should be supplied by manufacturer. HTC didn't that for MTeoR.
There is some SDHC package for MTeoR is floating around, but it's very buggy - SDHC card disappears after sleep and requires reinsertion.
In the meantime, i've wrote my own SDHC driver for MTeoR, but it's only for my personal use.
Thanks for the response.
If i understand correctly, in WM6.1 there is a chance that this memory card will work?
I've been thinking about putting another Rom on this phone, but am a bit hesitant. I've done it on several other phones (TytnII, Neo, etc.), but have become a bit hesitant. Sometimes the new Roms become "sticky", i.e. slow.
So the question for me is, are the available newer Roms for the mteor ok? Do they run without major issues? And, which one would you recommend for relatively stable running, not "playing", if you know what i mean?
I'm just asking for an opinion, nothing else.
You do not plan to share your driver with the community?