Bewildering information - no clear answer - MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading

OK, been trying to figure out this ROM update hotchpotch for a while now, and while I have some better knowledge, some of it still isn't clear.
Before you say use the search, I have, but as I say, it's all so random and all over the place it's unclear.
OK, so I have an M2000. I am running as follows:
Operator Version 5.12.1.139
ROM Versn 1.12.22 WWE
ROM date 09/27/04
Radio Versn 1.04.00
Protocol Versn 1337.35
ExtROM Versn 1.12.139.WWE
BT v1.0.0 Build 2200
Now looking at what versions are available, this seems pretty old, right.
Now as I understand it, the ExtROM can be updated by unlocking it, replacing the files from the 1.31 archive, re-locking and doing a hard reset - then once it's booted it'll go through the customisation procedure like it normally does, only with the updated ExtROM (which I can customise/cook to what updates I want).
OK, so I understand that much - however...then I have a mismatch between ExtROM and Normal ROM, right?
ROM would be 1.12.22 and the ExtRom would be 1.31.XX yes? Is this a problem?
How do I go about updating the main ROM to 1.31 also? The same goes for radio and bluetooth. I know full well that my bluetooth is well out of date - but there are so many versions, most of which are unhelpfully named. One I see said 1.00.3500, which is what I hear is what I want, but what are all the others about?
Can anyone help put it into plain english for me, without saying "Use the search" or posting a link to wiki?
Thanks.

If you have a look at this thread, it gives you a process you can follow. It is for an older set of updates. But if you have a look on the FTP site and pick full update files with the 1.31 CE rom and 1.06.02 Radio rom, you should be able to follow it through.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=16251&highlight=

OK, i had a look through, and it sorta makes more sense, but the problem is the updates are so different I don't get it :S
For example, the file names on the ftp are so cryptic it doesn't help.
I have downloaded 1.33.10WWE.rar which is apparently a CE ROM from the SX66....
...however, I am aware the SX66 doesn't have a camera - does this matter?
Furthermore, in the bat file, there was a reference to an ms_.nbf file - I cant find out what this is. Do I need it?
I'm assuming nk_.nbf is the ROM itself.
Also, with regards to the radio ROM I have downloaded Radio 1.06.02 Edited for German Tmobile MDAIII.rar
What does editing it for German T-Mobile do? Does this have an effect?
Basically I could probably figure it out if everything had standard names. So far I don't think I've seen any naming conventions for the files, so I'm at a loss as to what I need.

OK, just found a useful page here:
http://en.pdamobiz.com/en/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=154
that managed to explain it a bit better.
So, it seems that the ms_.nbf is essentially the extrom, yes?
So how can I take the ExtROM Orange_UK_SPVM2000_Ext_ROM_131124.zip
and use it as an ms_.nbf?
or have I got it all wrong?
I have just got that new O2 one that was released recently, but I don't want O2 stuff plastered all over my phone...

OK, as a starting point I just tried to update the radio rom to 1.06.02.
After getting a little stuck I managed it ok, and it seems to be working fine....
Now all I need help with is figuring out how to get the other 2 bits sorted. i'm not too worried about the nk file (although it would appear it needs a password, which I'm unsure where to obtain)
but this ms file has thrown me way off course. Would I need to say, use the O2 one, and then re-do my ExtROM folder with the Orange stuff?

Assuming your device has the 1.31 rom on it, and Radio 1.06.02 (as you say you have installed. Then it's pretty easy to update the ExtRom to the latest Orange one.
Install the Extended Rom Unlocker initially through normal methods, copy the cab and run - ftp://xda:[email protected]_1_22/Tools//xda-developers_Unlocker.CAB. Then under Programs/Extended Rom Tools, click uhide and unlock and do a soft reset.
Download the M2000 ExtRom from ftp://xda:[email protected]/BlueAngel/Extended_Roms/Orange_UK_SPVM2000_Ext_ROM_131124.zip
Go to the root of your device and into the 'Extended Rom' folder, delete the contents and replace with the contents of the zip file. Then Lock and Hide your extended rom and perform a hard reset.
If you haven't got 1.31 CE Rom, then you may wish to follow this method:-
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=95153&highlight=#95153

Perfect, brilliant. Will give it a try as soon as I have time!

Related

qtek_kpn_nk_1.22.00+extrom_1.22.731+radio_1.08.00

I have downloaded this, and I would like to upgrade my qtek to this release. Can I just run the BaUpgradeUT or is there additional work that I would need to do. I bought it in the UK and its SIM unlocked. I have already upgraded the Radio ROM to 1.08.
my devicedata.txt reads as follows
PH20B 0 B WWE E DANGA001 1.22.00 0 0 1.22.162 1.06.00 06.00
NOTE: This was just before the Radio 1.08 upgrade.
What I can't seem to understand is if I need to do some cooking especially considering that my device is a QTEK and is WWE
I would appreciate your responses.
Hi NinjaMan. Where did you get this update? Please let me know how I can get same update. Thank you for you help.
[email protected]
Please browse the forum, it's all here...
To the both of you, read my thread here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=18128
It's all in there...easy heh?
Frontpage, I downloaded it from the FTP site here, however there has been some problem were someone has accidentally/deliberately deleted most of the files. However I just tried uploading the file back but got an "Upload failed" error. Basically, I couldn't create a directory to upload to nor could I upload to an already created director. I wil try and figure out another way to get you the file.
HappyGoat, believe me, I have read that thread, and I have also read the wiki getting started, this is how I upgraded to the versions displayed in my signature. The reason why I asked the question is because I cannot see the answer in the WIKI getting started or in your thread. This could be because I am DIM, which I don't have a problem accepting. Nonetheless, I would appreciate some help even if it a yes or no to the question I originally posted.
If someone with more knowledge tells me if it is possible for me to just run the upgrade based on the information I have provided in my original post, the plan would be to install and give my feedback as to performance. I just don't want to do it unless I am confident it would work.
HappyGoat, if you know the answer then please share, if the answer is in the thread you posted perhaps you can point me specifically to its whereabouts in the thread. I can't see it
the complete kpn files are in the root of the ftp site
However i didn't manage to install using baupgrade.
There was a folder in extended roms with the extended rom files from kpn. With the util to unlock and unhide the extended rom directory on your pda you be able to delete the old files and replace the kpn extended rom files. After that you can do a hard reboot and you have the kpn version. However it is better to edit the extended rom files a bit if you are not using KPN telecom as provider because it has some setupfiles that auto setup to kpn as provider. GPRS and MMS.
Ok, now i need some help
I disassembled baupgrade.exe and RUU.dll
Anyone can help change it a bit so it stops checking language and provider ¿ I think only baupgrade needs to be changed because ruu.dll is th file that contain's the routines to upgrade and reboot and get pda info and place's it into bootloader mode.
Looks to me that the only real difference, is the Extended ROM version...and as you probably know, the Ext. ROM contains mostly files that are put there by the Telco's.
What is does read in the thread I gave you, is that MDAIIIuser pulled this complete package apart and we all agreed that the contents of the Ext. ROM version were not shockingly different to the one you have right now...
Additionally, you could end up with a phone with dutch settings, KPN spash, and other custom KPN/dutch things. So, in my point of view, it is not worth the trouble.
But technically, you should have no problem upgrading, as the KPN ROM is WWE as well.
Hope that helps.
And eh, what is a "DIM"...?
Thanks Vastloper and Thanks HapyGoat.
O.K if the Real difference is in the Extended ROM version, then you gusys are probably right - its not worth the trouble. I don't really have any issues with my current setup apart from some bluetooth problems.
One last question - Is it worth upgrading my bluetooth to 3900. What are your experiences with 3900
bluetooth
If your bluetooth headset is making crackling noise when it is away more then 20 cm from your device then it is worth upgrading.
You need the bt3900 upgrade
ftp://xda:[email protected]/BlueAngel/Bleutooth CABS/BroadcomCorp_BT1.0.0.3900.cab
After installing it you also need BA_OEM_AudioGW.CAB
http://forum.xda-developers.com/download.php?id=3320
this is for better audio.
Also, this is covered in several threads on this forum...the jury is still out as people experience different things for some reason.
Thanks Guys, appreciate your help. I do in fact experiencing the crackling noise, but I thought it could be to do with my BT Headset which is a cheap no name model.
I will give 3900 a go.
Thanks again guys

I'm really confused about what to upgrade to. Need help.

I have a PDA2K I bought from Expansys a couple months ago and I use it in the US with TMobile. I upgraded the BT to .0035 and last night upgraded the Radio to 1.10. I'd like to upgrade the ROM from 1.22.126 to 1.?. I've read every upgrade post in here and that is where I think I went wrong. I'm really confused on what I need to upgrade to now. Too much information.
Given the above information, can someone tell me what version is best for me? I looked on the FTP site and there was too many choices for this little newbie.
Thanks,
Tom
The highest is 1.40 with radio 1.12, there are 4 threads on the 1.40 and it seems a lot of people are going back to the 1.3x manich cooked or 1.31 arabic.
Its a free world, do what you feel is best.
Since I've seen your name all over the place, accompanied by very authoritative posts, can you "recommend" which one I should use? I'd like to go with the 1.4, but I'm not sure what file(s) exactly I need. I thought I did, but as I started reading more and more threads I got more confused. It seems like there are a couple different 1.4s out there. I already upgraded my BT and Radio, but I'm not sure if I need the ROM and/or the Extended ROM. I've looked at the various files on the FTP site and I get confused....my wife says it happens often with me.
While I've seen HOW to do it, I'm not sure WHICH one I need. Might you be kind enough to point out what I need?
Thanks,
Tom
Ce rom
On wiki download the qtec 1.40 type I CE Rom only file (avalible roms)
on wiki in the radio upgrade ->download the type I upgrade files
on wiki in getting started download the ->xda3nbtool.exe as welll as -> fix bat.
Put them all in the same dir, Fix and then flash the rom as per wiki.
EXt Rom
Now you need the ext rom 1.40.147 in the kitchen availble roms
on wiki download -> unlock tool in kitchen tools
Unlock, flush old, add new, add your cust cabs, lock Hard reset.
BT 1.39 is part of 1.40 rom so DONT cook those files in your ext rom.

Just upgraded to WM5

Hey guys, before anything please let me thank you for this amazing site. You have made a complete n00b to a power-user in 2 days flat. Please do allow me to tell you my story. 2 Days ago I got this thing called O2 XDA IIs (HTC Blueangel) and I got it for around 300US$ (Unlocked/New) was not so fond of Windows devices so intended to sell it off asap and get some other phone, was just doing a little R&D on the net to see what all is available for this thing. When I came across to your site, here's when I got so intregued by the capabilities of this thing.
First I intalled the latest ROM for my device, after getting little confidence I installed WM5 with my fingers crossed. Its all done now but have a few things to ask you guys.
1. When you mentioned about the EXTROM you said that you'll have to copy the files on the StorageCard\ExtRom when all I did was copy nk.nbf into the folder called WM5_Pack_V3 and ran the installer. I did run the batch file to get the oper_code from the DeviceData file. It was all done, I was really scared but now am worried did I do the right thing?
The Device Information TAB shows
ROM Version : 5.03.02WWE
ROM Date : 03/02/05
Radio Version : 1.12.00
Protocol Ver : 1337.42
ExtRom Ver : TuMa v1.3
2. It took me long enough to install this what all tweaks should I do to it so that it stays at the maximum bug-free current stage. (Hope you get me)
3. I need the starting screen to display something other then those scary 3 colored lines
Some things that I noticed after upgrading:
1. WM5 It's a little slow, but definately much better looking and show-off value.
2. I have a Wi-Fi enabled ADSL router at home by which I connect the O2 and other devices its working fine on.
Any help/suggestions/comments are welcome.
A brief intro for me would be have worked as a beta tester for many symbian application providers, was a complete S60 geek and am majorly into bikes & bike photography
Nothing said yet?
Im not sure I understand that whole Extrom deal, but what I can say is that the files that were in the extrom folder inside the upgrade pack must be put in the storage card in the same folder, but that is only if you want MMS and have a camera, if not, then there is nothing to do, unless you edit the Cfg.txt to load all your apps and settings after a hard reset. I guess that if you are able to use the device, you did everything ok as far as the flashing goes. it is a little slow, but its come a long way from the first versions, those were slow as hell, thanks to Mamaich and Tuatara and everyone else this version is running great!
as for the 3 color bar start up screen, there is nothing you can do about it...
Yeah I really forgot to thank Mamaich and Tuatara for their awesome work, now I am really scared as I dont like the slow response and am unable to downgrade. ActiveSync shuts down whenever I try to run the MaUpgradenoID.exe file activesync stops and it is giving errors in connecting, gets DC frequently. And moreover the Manufacturer supplied upgrade is also not working it gives a CountryCode error. Am really confused and scared now what to do?
Well I did not get any help but with loads of tinkering I got the thing done, I wanted to know why was WM5 so slow, otherwise the interface is loads better then the current CE I am using.
I have the Cingular version SX66 Blue Angel. I was able to update it without any problems. Usually speed is very different with those who flush the registry and with those who don't. Make sure you flush your registry after you completed the update.
Mine is faster and way more stable than the other version I had on it. Remember to follow all instructions exactly. if there is a link you need to check and make sure you do the format, change the ram size on the device, then upgrade.
There are no instructions on how to flush the registry can you enlighten me on this?
manav said:
There are no instructions on how to flush the registry can you enlighten me on this?
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During the flashing process, the wiki instructs the user to do a hard reset
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blueangel_WM5_HardReset
You should answer NO, YES, YES to the boot questions.
Hmm yeah, I did do that. And just am in the process of downgrading from the buggy WM5. It doesn't work out for me.
and THAT'S where I got problems!
in the manual, it says I have to download my latest favorite ROM version, and FROM that file i should copy the nk.nbf the "DOWNGRADE TO WM2003SE" folder..and that's what seems impossible to me, since the Rom-update i downloaded is an .exe application, and not a .zip or .rar archive..
so how should i get the nk.nbf file out of the Rom-update .exe file..?
help
well some were in the same documentaion it should also say use rar or zip to unpack it (being the exe file).
Pls spend some time in wiki you might find some other answers
yeah i had tried that already back then butthat didn't work either..when i try that it still just starts running the program.. :?
Try these instructions with your exe file:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=233903#233903

Incomplete DeviceData.Txt

So, what's it mean when you run GetDeviceData.Exe and all you get in your ../windows/devicedata.txt file is "PH20B" ?
Strange, huh? I've tried it a couple of times. Always the same... Nothing but "PH20B". I'm also having the "No GSM" in the boot screen problem, and can't upgrade (well, load AT ALL!) my radio stack. In my device info screen the OS and Extended info are right, but Protocal and Radio are both blank now. This has all happened after trying to do a ROM upgrade tonight.
1. What (exactly) device you own? What was DeviceData BEFORE first upgrade?
2. What ROM you had, and which one you tried to load?
3. How did you do that (what procedure)? Have you omitted any steps?
Lets say you really own PH20B (Blueangel) then if the radio is inactive the devicedata.txt will not output the info from it. Reflash radio only
Also this may happen if you have flashed PH20A (Harrier) and you flashed WM5, go back to WM2003 and all will work fine
jakubd said:
1. What (exactly) device you own? What was DeviceData BEFORE first upgrade?
2. What ROM you had, and which one you tried to load?
3. How did you do that (what procedure)? Have you omitted any steps?
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Answers:
1: It is a HTC BlueAngel. It's one of those with just "PocketPC" on the front. No cell provider branding. I bought it off ebay last year. Don't know what the file showed before. Never had a problem, so I never looked.
2: Was running a I-Mate ROM since I bought it. But the radio was really old. The radio version was like .9xx . Don't remember exactly what. SHould have written it down. But it was less than 1.00, I know that for sure. I was upgrading to the Siemens 1.33 ROM with the 1.15 radio added on.
3: Used MaUpgradUt_NoID. Never been able to use BaUpgradeUt. It's always given a country ID error, but Ma..NoID has always worked before.
xplode said:
Lets say you really own PH20B (Blueangel) then if the radio is inactive the devicedata.txt will not output the info from it. Reflash radio only
Also this may happen if you have flashed PH20A (Harrier) and you flashed WM5, go back to WM2003 and all will work fine
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Yes. It is a blue angel for sure. See my reply above.
It's always been WM2003, and all I get when I try to flash ANY radio rom version to it now is a country ID error.
flash with noid app
maupgradeut_noid.exe
Yep. Already tried that. In fact, that's the ONLY way I've been able to do any upgrades at all since I bought the phone. Never have found a ROM that would work with BAupgradeUt.exe. Strange thing is, I can load the OS and EXT ROM's no problem using Ma..NoID.exe... Just not the Radio ROM. Even using NoID when I try to load a Radio ROM, it dies with a country code error. I believe the error is N-N-50-50-50 if that means anything to anyone. Any more ideas? I've tried all the obvious things I could think of. I wonder if maybe I could use a null data field in editfix.bat? That is, instead of using real data values from devicedata.txt like you normally would, replace the "???" in the .bat file with " ". Anyone know if that's even possible? Or should I just try taking it up to WM5, then back to 2003?
Thanks for all the thought and effort so far folks.

how to to repartition the rom

Hi,
I'm trying to upgrade my radio rom. At first everything seems fine but after the upgrade process is at about 30%, I get error no. 114. I think that maybe a part of my rom is broken, so I'd like to change the allocation of my roms. I'd like to have the extented rom part as new radio rom and vice versa.
Is that possible? If yes, how is it done?
thx for your help
PECK
sorry to disappoint you, but no, that is not possible.
start the other way around, do not try to bypass a problem by creating a new one, try solving the problem first. why would the radio rom abort in the middle of the upgrade process?
- do you use the right upgrade tools?
- do you use the right radio rom?
- did you take care of everything else there is about upgrading a rom (bootloader, active sync kill...)?
- are you able to flash another os rom?
...whatever comes to mind when flashing roms, because this problem will not be any different after all.
@ chef_tony:
I've no problem with upgrading the OS or the extented rom! thats why i think that maybe the flash chip is broken!
I tried many different upgrading tools, even one of yours!
I don't know the current language id of my device! Originally it was a german XDA III! How can I check the current language id and how can I change it? is it possible that I have this problem because of a wrong language id?
thx in advance
PECK
i would guess it couldn't have anything to do with the country id, error 114 is radio rom update error.
btw, you get to see the inofficial country id everytime you soft reset the device, and in the bottom right corner it says something like WWE, or GER, for instance. or, when you connect the device and run getdevicedata.exe from the ruu folder, which is done before the upgrade, to show you the "from:" and "to:" numbers.
but: i just got another idea.
do you actually take out the sim card, before trying to upgrade the radio?
is your device sim unlocked?
have you played around with different bluetooth stacks?
have you performed a hard reset before trying to upgrade the radio?
have you tried upgrading the radio from the stock o2 rom wm2003?
ok, that was more than one idea, and downgrading seems like a lot of work, but it is worth a shot. if you spend days flashing (or trying to) over and over again anyways, you might as well try that, would mean 2 extra upgrading sessions, but what is that, like an hour?
oh, and what radio rom does the device have now, stock? or is it a newer one already?
and why do you think you need to upgrade the radio rom anyways? phone not working, maybe the problems lie deeper and that could be why the upgrade process can't work in the first place!
"don't confuse an original symptom with the sickness from the drugs we gave him" as dr. house, would say
hi,
the device is unlocked! there was no sim card inserted during the upgrade; i just tryed with one but I get the same error at 32% progress...
it doesn't work with the original rom, also!
it would be fine if the stock rom was installed, but unfortunately i don't have installed any radio rom whatsoever!
windows mobile device information says that i don't have a radio rom and no protocol installed!
oh, for pete's sake, i'm sorry.
when i asked you about the sim card being inserted, i thought of taking the card out, if you hadn't done before, should have written that. many people have problems when having a sim card or sd card inserted, i didn't want to suggest to put one in! that can never do good, either nothing happens or it gets worse, i really shouldn't have forgotten that.
it doesn't work with the original rom, also!
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yeah, but does the stock rom itself work? i mean, the stock rom is a so called baked rom, meaning it contains a rom, an extrom and a radio rom, while the cooked roms here only contain the actual rom, so the os. i mean, you could try and extract the radio from the stock rom and try and flash that. it would give you a radio back! or if that doesn't work either, try flashing the entire stock rom, if that works without problems and then you'd have a radio, it means that your issue is too strange to think about, but still you can delete the extrom again and flash another rom without harming the original radio.
wouldn't that be a step forward?
btw. what radio rom are you trying to flash?
if it is just one, you try over and over, are you absolutely certain, this is for the BA? which version is it? what was the original file name of the exe? where did you get it? have you tried re-downloading it, maybe the file is really broken!
hi,
i tryed many different rom versions, and i'm pretty sure they are for the blueangel!
do you know, where i can get a cooked rom for my xda 3?
first, to be clear about that, as mentioned before, cooked roms consist only of the operating system itself and contain neither a radio rom nor an extrom. so about every rom offered here is a cooked rom. but that won't solve your problem, since, as mentioned, there is no radio included. that is why i suggested for you to try the original radio from the shipped rom, and then the entire shipped rom, to determine, whether the radio rom flashes, when it comes after an nk.nbf rom, which would mean, that from now on, you'd have to "bake" roms yourself, by taking cooked roms and adding the radio, so to not lose it. when you can actually flash wm2003 you can also try flashing other radios with the original BAupgradeut, because in contrast to os roms, there should be no limitations to the radio roms, as far as i know.
Change WM german to english or spanish
Hi! I´m new in the forum, please i need some help, i have a qtek 9090 bought in germany so it has a windows mobile in German. Can you help me to change the ROM to an english or spanish version.
The info is:
ROM version: 1.40.01 GER
ROM datum:03/10/05
Radio version: 1.12.00
Protocol version 1337.42
Extended ROM version: 1.40.750 GER
Model: PH20B
Platform: PocketPC
IMEI 353030001525302
Can you explain me step by step or suggest me a page wuere i could find some instructions, i have another problem too, I don´t have a usb cable for it, please help me

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