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Hi all,
We developed software that suits well on 2020 and 2020i. Yesterday, I noticed that the Qtek 2020i isn't available anymore!
Now we are looking for an alternative device that has the same functionalities as the 2020i WITHOUT any fragile keyrboard.
What we need is:
- GSM / GPRS
- Bluetooth
- SD-cardslot
- 3,4 " screen
- Camera on board
What are alternative devices on the market??
Sam
Charmer, Prophet, Wizard are the HTC devices currently available, see http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_PhoneModels
The processors are < Alpine. I think Prophet is the only one with a full size sd. All are WM2005.
Or have a look at your local www.expansys.com site.
Hi Kevino,
kevino said:
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Charmer: only has 2.8" screen
Prophet: only has 2.8" screen
Wizard: only has 2.8" screen AND keyboard
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Or have a look at your local www.expansys.com site.
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I did this also and noticed E-ten, but they all have a 2.8" screen... :?
Any other suggestions?
Sam
Oops, diddnt notice the screen size
Don't Mio do a 'fullsized' one. The 701 has 2.7" but I thought there was another. Did a quick google but I couldn't find it.
[EDIT] Looking at http://www.mio-tech.be/products/ looks like if they did it is discontinued
i am also searching for an alternative. the alpine is almost 2 years old and the most companys just won´t to build in an 520mhz processor like in the alpine. so what is the improvement?? 3.2 inch display is also ver rare...
Has anyone of you got a device with less than 520mhz and uses powerful gps navigation like igo? what is your experience? is 400mhz (not to mention 200mhz) with windows mobile 6 enough?
I can´t belive that i have to pay 500 bugs to get a device with a new OS and LESS mhz!!!
by the way...the universal is much to big for me.
please post your opinions!!! thx.
I have the same opinion. I also don't want to buy slower device...
I have a Panda (P6300) on order. The specs are similar and the form factor nearly identical
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=735&id2=164
I'm not familiar with the Alpine, but a lot of reviewers are calling the Panda a throwback, or retro device and mentioning it in the same breath as the Alpine.
The Panda is only running at 400Mhz, but perhaps the reported speediness of WM6 might help to make up some of the difference in that regard, as compared to the Alpine's 520Mhz processor. It ships with WM5, but there is speculation that HTC will offer a WM6 upgrade.
panda?
hi, the panda seems to be a really good device.... where did you order it?? and how much?? thank you very much for further information!
I ordered mine from Dynamism. They don't carry them so it was a special order. It only took them 5 days to get it there, and they shipped it to me on Friday. I should have it Tuesday. I've seen them around from $629 - $749US. Mine was right in the middle, though I can't quote you an exact price as it was special order. You can call them to find out what they would charge you.
I hope it is good device. It is nothing fancy and has drawbacks, but it should serve me well so long as it does well what it is supposed to do.
Good Luck!
Why don't we try to get the WM 5.0 out of the panda and try it in our ALPINEs
Did any one try to do that ?
BT have a new one out aimed at the Corporate user who missed something similar to the XDA2i with its larger screen. Cant remember what it is called but it is the same form factor as the XDA2i just WM5 and a better camera. Made specially for them by HTC.
The new o2 one with a 3.5 inch screen is called the XDA Argon basically an updated XDA2i, think it came out in July
Hello all,
I have been a part of this forum since Mar 2005. This was about the time I got my Blue Angel and have to say have been a very very satisfied user. Apart from the occasional hiccups such as the stylus('s) falling off, a shaky sliding keyboard and the bluetooth issue, the Blue Angel has been a very faithful device and is still chugging away!
Having moved to the Asia Pacific region, I have work that takes me to countries such as Korea and Japan. Now herein lies the issue with the Blue Angel. No 3G access!
Given that, I guess its time to move on to a PDA that would support all of the Blue Angel capabilities (I loved the large screen) and at the same time be a natural upgrade.
I needed advice from the forum gurus here as to what would be a good candidate amongst all the phones. I would prefer to be in the XDA genre given the wealth of information and trouble shooting that the forum enables and assists with.
Any experiences (good and bad)
Deepak
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As to the new phone, you would have to specify some more. Would do exactly want to do with it? 3.5" or 2.8" screen?
Moving on
Hi all,
So these are features I would be looking for:
1. Large screen: - 3.5' is just fine
2. Bluetooth A2DP functionality and other profiles
3. Wifi
4. Keyboard
5. No loose stylus
6. Recharge capability from laptop
7. Not now, but Vista compatible
8. Good battery life
9. Extended support by the XDA family
and of course
10. 3G
I would expect this to be standard features in a lot of the new models coming out. Not sure though which would be a feasible one.
Only two devices do match all your requirements. HTC Universal and HTC Athena. Generally if you could live with a smaller 2,8'' screen, there are many choices then.
My question is this..(I have never had a Winmo device so excuse my ignorance)
Will this phone be able to support WinMo7 when it is released?
Also, will HTC support it with a new touchflo thing?
or will it mean Id have to buy a new phone within a year?
Considering that WinMo 6.1 is only just being released with this phone - I doubt anyone could tell you whether the next OS is going to be supported on it or not with any certainty - it's not finalised yet!
That said, if any phone is going to be WinMo 7 compatible, this will - it's the most advanced phone to date and has every feature possible.
"or will it mean Id have to buy a new phone within a year?"
most reports seem to indicate that even when wm7 is released around Q2 2009
older devices with wm6.1 will continue to function
and not spontaneous combust
I dont't think any current phone will be able to run WinMo7 as it will support (or even require) multi-touch.
TDO
TDO said:
I dont't think any current phone will be able to run WinMo7 as it will support (or even require) multi-touch.
TDO
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Hmmm. But Microsoft can virtualise multi-touch.
Of course this is pure speculation but given their pattern, If HTC sells as many Diamonds as they are expecting, I can see them putting some effort into a Windows Mobile 7 upgrade rom as they did with upgrading the original touch over other more recent devices. With that really depends on what kind of upgrade path Microsoft makes for the devices and if it's even doable, if Windows Mobile 7 lives upto what everyone is saying about it, may need to upgrade to a device specifically designed for it.
For me the Touch Diamond is the last step to reaching the perfect device. Has everything I've wanted, small form factor, good amount of program memory, all the necessary features, better screen with VGA. Only thing that could make it better is an even better (capacitive) screen with a higher resolution and of course, a much better more updated front end operating system, ala Windows Mobile 7.
i think this device will not support winmo7 bcoz have new technologies.. and honestly, this device IS NOT SUPERB. just a faster processor, a lot of memory and gps stuff. the same thing as older ones
who knows maybe ms will only make wm 7 pro for atom based cpu's rather then arms
which may then be used as wm7 std with no touchscreen?
naaah prob not
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who knows maybe ms will only make wm 7 pro for atom based cpu's rather then arms
which may then be used as wm7 std with no touchscreen?
naaah prob not
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that would be suicide for them if they did. I heard a rumor that WinMo7 will be multitouch also !
M$ has stated in 2009 they will come out with Window$ Mobile 6.5. I think that only devices that were shipped from the orginal launch date with 6.1 will be upgradable to 6.5 free from Sprint perhaps. Much in the same way that the Touch went from 6.0 to 6.1. I do not think the touch will get 6.5 as it was shipped from launch with 6.0.
My views:
- yes, the next step is 6.5, not 7, so no need to be doing plans on wm7 for the Touch Diamond at the moment.
- Which 'touch' are you talking about? If it's the Touch Diamond, it has been released from the very beginning with 6.1 on it, not 6.0.
- It's hard to say whether or not HTC will provide us with an official upgrade to 6.5, their policy is so unpredictable and not always sensible...
(remember what happened to European users of P3600...)
- I don't see any reason (except a processor major change as hinted in the post above) why Diamond would not be compatible.
- as far as I know, wm7 is designed to provide old phones with as many new features as possible.
Example: they even think of a work around for phones without accelerometr to sense motions using the built in camera.
- this doesn't mean old phones will be able to get the most out of wm7 new technologies, such as multitouch. But they will be using what their hardware allow them to.
I’d like to know if you’ll be able to upgrade your present phone from 6.1 to 6.5 and then later 7? I’ve just bought my Touch Diamond and will be using it for atleast 2 years, would be a shame if I couldnt upgrade the OS when it comes out…
Kind of like asking how long is a piece of string??? Considering no one really knows what hardware specification will be required to run either WinMo 6.5 or WinMo 7... IMHO I would say that WinMo 6.5 highly possible (Tread in Diamond ROM section with an apparently leaked version, although not for the Touch Diamond) , WinMo 7 only Micro$oft will be able to answer that one???
windows mobile is made for a specific phone... drivers, enhancements, everything. if they decide to provide us with an upgrade, we get an upgrade. if a device VERY similar to ours has it, we *might* be able to use it too. beyond that, you can't go to the store and buy it, so we're really at the mercy of everybody else involved.
According to some of the teaser details already released about Windows Mobile 7, it will likely require a capacitive screen, and the G1 is the only phone by HTC to use one so far.
We don't really know much about WM7 though. That teaser info that was released quite a while ago hinted at possible gesture recognition, multitouch, etc., but I think that release was as much marketing ploy as anything else.
I doubt that WM7 will require a capacitive screen, although I would expect that it will support them. There are a number of reasons not to ditch resistive screens. Fine detail can't be input on a capacitive screen, which causes numerous problems. Complex alphabets (Asian), legacy support for existing applications, cost... the list goes on, but requiring capacitive screens would essentially erase the entire foundation that WM is built on. I don't think MS wants to do that. The great thing about WM (and MS vs Apple in general) is that they don't tie you to one piece of hardware. You have much greater flexibility in terms of cost, features, form-factor, etc.
I was hoping for WM7 this year, but now that most announcements put WM6.5 devices at Q3-Q4, it seems highly doubtful we'll see a WM7 device until at least mid 2010. By that time I'll be ready for a new device anyway (Tegra, new Qualcomm/AMD chipset, who knows), so the issue is almost moot. I'm with you though, I'd still like to see WM7 on the Diamond/Pro/HD!
will windows mobile 6.5 be released officially for tytn2
what makes you think it will for the tytn ii
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what makes you think it will for the tytn ii
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He didn't say it will be, he asked if it will be, as if anyone around here would know that.
sorry missread that thanks for pulling me up
doesn't matter, we'll rip it out of another device that updates first or get a good leaked version anyway. That's how it always seems to work at XDA.
and that seems a dam good way for xda to work and keep us all happy
Before this thread gets locked for being pointless. Micro$oft just releases WM 6.5. It is not written for any phone or with any phone or manufacturer in mind. It is HTC that decides which phones they will write new roms for, and whether or not they will include WM 6.5 in the new rom.
And it is the carriers that decide whether to ask HTC to write a new rom for them that includes 6.5 . Micro$oft can release 6.5, HTC can write a rom with it included, then ultimately, in my case , it is AT$T who decides whether it will ever see a Tilt.
Most of those descisions are based on the fact that AT$T wants you to buy a new phone, this does not happen if they keep supporting old phones.
Good job, denco7, that should answer the question.
Anyway, WM 6.5 is too buggy for the moment, and I really do not like the beehive interface. We currently have PIE 6 and M2D and works fine on Kaiser.
HTC will not care to dedicate one minute to such and old device. They have released several models after Kaiser and will be announcing more models this week at MWC. They are following the old policy of "if you want a better or fixed firmware, purchase a new device".
i agree the copy of wm 6.5 is a bit buggy but when the final is released i am sure cookers will make great roms out of it
6.5 is too buggy ? Where did you get a copy to test ? The cooked roms here have a leaked kernel which they are using as the base of a cooked Kaiser rom. It makes me laugh when people get " leaked " versions or " hacked " versions and then come out with an overall asessment of the product.
Final versions of things usually have a lot of security around them, preproduction or discontinued projects do not. These are the ones that usually get " leaked. "
It would be like if Ferarri dropped a little 4cyl motor in a predroduction car just to be able to drive it in to the wind tunnel for testing, then some one leaks out " oh my, the new Ferrari's suck, they are way under powered with only 4cyl engines ....."
While we have been conditioned not to expect much from Micro$oft, I don't think the 6.5 we have is the 6.5 we are going to get as an official release.
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Before this thread gets locked for being pointless. Micro$oft just releases WM 6.5. It is not written for any phone or with any phone or manufacturer in mind. It is HTC that decides which phones they will write new roms for, and whether or not they will include WM 6.5 in the new rom.
And it is the carriers that decide whether to ask HTC to write a new rom for them that includes 6.5 . Micro$oft can release 6.5, HTC can write a rom with it included, then ultimately, in my case , it is AT$T who decides whether it will ever see a Tilt.
Most of those descisions are based on the fact that AT$T wants you to buy a new phone, this does not happen if they keep supporting old phones.
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HTC’s Touch Diamond 2 and Touch Pro 2, announced today, will be upgradeable to Windows Mobile 6.5. New enhanced contact integration combined with new Internet capabilities deliver a people-centric approach to mobile communication. HTC’s Touch Diamond 2 features TouchFLO 3D, a sleek and compact design with a large 3.2-inch high-resolution wide-screen display, while HTC Touch Pro 2 introduces one of the best-ever mobile productivity experiences on a phone highlighted by HTC’s new Straight Talk technology, an integrated e-mail, voice and speakerphone experience.
maybe this thread was written before mine and I just didn't see it... oops. Ok, so htc probably won't make one for the tilt and really don't like that, but there's always really great, reliable roms on here so I'm sure it will be fine. Besides, not buying a new phone any time soon. I don't have any money and plus the stupid phone that htc made to replace the tilt (help me here guys?) took a step backwards and lost any form of tilt functionality, which if ya ask me, was a huge advantage over other devices. So yea.
I believe the HTC Touch Pro2 (which they just announced at MWC) tilts. and is sexy mcsexy.
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I believe the HTC Touch Pro2 (which they just announced at MWC) tilts. and is sexy mcsexy.
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Yes it tilts. In all sense and purpose it seems to be the successor to the Kaiser.
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Yes it tilts. In all sense and purpose it seems to be the successor to the Kaiser.
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lol, yea. I saw that a few hours after I wrote that! lol.
WM 6.5 is not planned to be released for any currently available device.
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Microsoft Announces Windows Mobile 6.5
With an endless chain of leaks dating back several months, the suspense factor might not be there that Microsoft had been hoping for -- but for what it's worth, Windows Mobile 6.5 is now official. The latest rendition of Microsoft's mobile platform puts an emphasis on touch-friendliness with a honeycomb-style main menu that the company says is easier to finger than a traditional grid layout; a new lock screen that can be slid on different alerts to automatically call up texts, voicemails, and so on; a thoroughly-restyled cut of Internet Explorer Mobile that features a touchable zoom slider and frequently-used commands; redesigned menus that don't need a stylus to actuate; fingerable home and contacts screens, and more. It's not the thorough gutting of the platform many were hoping for, but for anyone thinking that Windows Mobile 6.1 can stand another facelift without ending up looking like Joan Rivers, 6.5's clearly your baby. Sadly, Microsoft's saying that no devices in the market today will receive official 6.5 updates, but don't pull out your wallets just yet, though -- the first devices with Windows Mobile 6.5 preinstalled should be available in the fourth quarter of the year.
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MS Sucks! Unfortunately!
Even Apple which is quite money grubbing gave out the iphone upgrade to the original iphone buyers. Why - good public relations: Give the software, but say "Sorry, the best stuff won't work unless you buy the NEW phone".
People who get the upgrade will say "That's nice of Apple. Next time I upgrade, I'll stick with the iPhone!"
The TyTN II is not an ancient phone (not new, but not ancient). C'mon MS - if the great guys here at xda-developers can make your software work on the TyTN II, then it surely shouldn't be so difficult for you.
You really need to encourage people to stick with you otherwise - Hello Blackberry, iPhone and Pre! (yea the last one really rocks!)
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Even Apple which is quite money grubbing gave out the iphone upgrade to the original iphone buyers. Why - good public relations: Give the software, but say "Sorry, the best stuff won't work unless you buy the NEW phone".
People who get the upgrade will say "That's nice of Apple. Next time I upgrade, I'll stick with the iPhone!"
The TyTN II is not an ancient phone (not new, but not ancient). C'mon MS - if the great guys here at xda-developers can make your software work on the TyTN II, then it surely shouldn't be so difficult for you.
You really need to encourage people to stick with you otherwise - Hello Blackberry, iPhone and Pre! (yea the last one really rocks!)
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It's called "Forced Progress Through Planned Obsolecence". For all intents and purposes Windows 2000 Professional Edition is plenty adequate for today's needs, and XP RTM was just basically W2k SP2+Luna+newer device support. Windows 2000, while perfectly adequate for 99.9% of needs, (OK, no directX 9c or 10.1), has reached EoL, and is no longer supported by MS. Windows XP will soon meet a similar fate, even though it is adequate for most businuss and conusumer needs. I have personally installed XP on a P1 166 o/ced to 200Mhz with 256MB of RAM. It worked fine as a workstation OS on such limited hardware, but forget about gaming. Try to install Vista on a computer with less then a 1Ghz processor and 1GB of RAM, and you're going to be wishing you never heard of Vista. Vista isn't even truly "usable" unless you have a reletivly modern machine. (2.0Ghz+ processor, 2GB+ PC3200 DDR RAM, 7200RPM HDD with at least 30GB available for OS+basic applications.
Yes, I do realize that XP Home was a significant improvment over Win9x; which most consumers were using at that time. Still the jump from Windows 2000 Professional SP2 to Windows XP Professional RTM was a miniscule improvement at best. Heck, Windows XP (even SP1), isn't very secure. All you need is a Win2k installation CD, and you can get administrator access to Windows XP RTM and SP1 just by booting into the recovery console and simply pressing enter when it asks for the administrative password. BTW, Windows XP will reach EoL for mainstream support during of April 2009, and new security patches will be issued until April 2014. After that date, Windows XP will reach EoL, even though it will remain a perfectly usable OS. It has always been the driving force behind the commercial IT industry, and it will continue to be for the forseeable future.
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It's called "Forced Progress Through Planned Obsolecence". For all intents and purposes Windows 2000 Professional Edition is plenty adequate for today's needs, and XP RTM was just basically W2k SP2+Luna+newer device support. Windows 2000, while perfectly adequate for 99.9% of needs, (OK, no directX 9c or 10.1), has reached EoL, and is no longer supported by MS. Windows XP will soon meet a similar fate, even though it is adequate for most businuss and conusumer needs. I have personally installed XP on a P1 166 o/ced to 200Mhz with 256MB of RAM. It worked fine as a workstation OS on such limited hardware, but forget about gaming. Try to install Vista on a computer with less then a 1Ghz processor and 1GB of RAM, and you're going to be wishing you never heard of Vista. Vista isn't even truly "usable" unless you have a reletivly modern machine. (2.0Ghz+ processor, 2GB+ PC3200 DDR RAM, 7200RPM HDD with at least 30GB available for OS+basic applications.
Yes, I do realize that XP Home was a significant improvment over Win9x; which most consumers were using at that time. Still the jump from Windows 2000 Professional SP2 to Windows XP Professional RTM was a miniscule improvement at best. Heck, Windows XP (even SP1), isn't very secure. All you need is a Win2k installation CD, and you can get administrator access to Windows XP RTM and SP1 just by booting into the recovery console and simply pressing enter when it asks for the administrative password. BTW, Windows XP will reach EoL for mainstream support during of April 2009, and new security patches will be issued until April 2014. After that date, Windows XP will reach EoL, even though it will remain a perfectly usable OS. It has always been the driving force behind the commercial IT industry, and it will continue to be for the forseeable future.
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^ I agree. However this is only after maybe 2 years, maybe, and is only being done out of stubborn greed and douche baggery.