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HTC NEW GPS ROM - This is frustrating!

Hi,
Where is the new rom from HTC to enable our Trinitys with GPS capability? I know the Dopod rom is out but it has a lot of jargon attached to it. They said March and it came and no news.
Thanks,
Gilbert

Gilbert said:
Hi,
Where is the new rom from HTC to enable our Trinitys with GPS capability? I know the Dopod rom is out but it has a lot of jargon attached to it. They said March and it came and no news.
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I agree this is frustrating. The DOPOD ROM has been available for a month now and basically they are the same company. They don't seem to care too much for their European customers.

Answer from HTC last Week
I ask HTC last week, from where i can get an update, because i didn't bought the p3600 from a provider. This was the answer:
The HTC P3600 currently does not offer GPS Functionality. While we are aware that some other derivatives of the P3600 may have already released this update, HTC has not yet set a date on the final release of the ROM update, as other updates are being included in the release.
Please continue to check the www.europe.htc.com support section for an update section, which is to be included once ROM updates have been released.

i've given up waiting, just flashed mine with a GPS enabled rom

i think. they'll out in second half of march... be patient

gugus said:
...as other updates are being included in the release....
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Dude, that sounds hot! What if one of those other updates is WM6 or some really useful bug-fix?

There are a plethora of other bugs on this device that need fixing (camera driver issues, cpu/imageon compatibility issues, skype speaker issue). I for one will be happy to wait until the end of the month if we get fixes for other issues too.

I've got a Spanish Trinity and also made a question about the GPS ROM update to HTC, here is the answer:
Thank you for your enquiry concerning the HTC P3600 mobile device.
The HTC P3600 currently does not offer GPS Functionality. There is a possibility of an update to enable the GPS functions of the device at a future date, and we hope to be able to do this as soon as possible, but we cannot and do not guarantee this.? If you buy the P3600 for possible future GPS functionality, you do so entirely at your own risk.
I hope we have it shortly but I've got my doubts!!!

RXN said:
I've got a Spanish Trinity and also made a question about the GPS ROM update to HTC, here is the answer:
Thank you for your enquiry concerning the HTC P3600 mobile device.
The HTC P3600 currently does not offer GPS Functionality. There is a possibility of an update to enable the GPS functions of the device at a future date, and we hope to be able to do this as soon as possible, but we cannot and do not guarantee this.? If you buy the P3600 for possible future GPS functionality, you do so entirely at your own risk.
I hope we have it shortly but I've got my doubts!!!
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That's the same message they were sending in December. Obviously the support people can only feed you with canned responses when it comes to future products or enhancements.

Hello,
I have just bought P3600 except operator pack.
I know that Orange brought out a ROM with the GPS. Having an orange abo, that will happen if I put this rom? Has it a risk there of shooting my HTC?
Thx
bonjour,
je viens d'acheter un P3600 hors offre opérateur.
Je sais qu'Orange a sortie une ROM avec le GPS. Ayant un abo orange, que se passera t il si je mets cette rom? Y a t il un risque de shooter mon téléphone?
D'avance merci
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It really shoes that htc give a sh*** about their europoean costomers.
Here in germany already vodafone got the trinity with gps ans sells it under their brand. but you cant download the rom.
I'm going to try to get the rom at vodafone on the cebit in 2 weeks. But I don't think I'll be successfull. I think theys will tell me "You cant get the rom because you don't own a original vodafone product" or stuff like that.
I'll never buy an htc pda again this supoort is joke! They're sending the same messages for month. I guess they think: "Hey this guy already baught our product, so why should we take care of if he gets gps on it."

to be honnest, all the gps roms like the one from dopod and orange still have bugs in them.
no bass, touchdcreenslowdown etc;
i'd rather wait a bit longer for an htc rom if that means those bugs are fixed awell

I mean it would be ok if htc says that they realse it in april or even in may. But they say nothing, so it's possible too that they never release a gps update for the htc P3600.

You are right guys, it would be better if HTC would tell us at least the month they will realease their Rom update but nothing. I bought a product which costs more than my salary here in tunsia an got a product which would be perfect if the bugs would be fixed, but theres no reaction which can help us out of this problem, I would wait until june or even july. After the HTC Magician, HTC just sold gargabe, Im not contently with the support of HTC, I think thats the last time I´ve bought something of them.

Spoke to the HTC Boogers in London to ask them when they are releasing their rom upgrade with GPS enabled and they said they still don't know yet and they acknowledged that a rom is in the cooking but they cannot confirm if the GPS or WM6 will be included but they said that they are addressing all the errors and bugs found in the earlier rom to be fixed in the new rom. They mentioned something like two to three months for the new rom release. BIZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Next time I will buy a bloody Dopod and live with their network jargon on the device

Gilbert said:
Next time I will buy a bloody Dopod
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Next time I might buy an HP. At least they have a good record in terms of providing bug fixes and updates. It doesn't make sense to buy the most feature rich device if it takes ages to fix bugs and deliver full functionality.
The "busy signal through loudspeaker" bug is just ridiculous. They should have fixed it months ago.

Ranting!
I dont understand your ranting. This device is marvelous. You can get GPS if you use other roms. I do not have a touchscreen issue and with my Bluetooth headset sound is okay. There is no device on the market with all this (working!) features AND this smart design and form factor. I had an Dell Axim x51v before and support was a nightmare!

anonimo said:
Next time I might buy an HP. At least they have a good record in terms of providing bug fixes and updates.
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buhahahahahahahahahahahaha sorry no offense but you MUST be clueless

saminegm said:
I dont understand your ranting. This device is marvelous. You can get GPS if you use other roms. I do not have a touchscreen issue and with my Bluetooth headset sound is okay. There is no device on the market with all this (working!) features AND this smart design and form factor. I had an Dell Axim x51v before and support was a nightmare!
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I agree. After upgrading to the Dopod rom, installing SPB Mobile Shell instead of SPB PocketPlus and upgrading to Navigon 6.1 gps software, this device works fast and very stable. It is much better than I originally anticipated.

NLS said:
buhahahahahahahahahahahaha sorry no offense but you MUST be clueless
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I have never used HP PocketPC phones but I had three HP iPaq PocketPCs in the past (two of them were actually still branded Compaq) and for two of those three HP/Compaq provided an upgrade to the next OS release and generally for all of them they issued at least 10 updates/patches/improvements. You can check the HP site and find these updates yourself.
On the other hand HTC/Qtek/Dopod have never ever offered OS upgrades and their response time in handling problems has always been awful. In fact I own a Qtek S200 bought on Expansys and to this date I would not have access to any correction at all if it wasn't for this site. I would not be able to use my stereo bluetooth headset with that phone because there is no OFFICIAL way to enable A2DP on that phone even if we all know that it is technically possible and I have used the "home-made" solution for months.
Honestly it just stinks that we must rely on this site and patch products costing 400 pounds with unofficial software to make them work correctly. And I see this as HTC's fault.
SO: no, I am not clueless and I am reporting my specific personal experience. On the other hand you have just sent a meaningless message without any substance as to why I would be "clueless".

Htc Replies to Video Driver problem!

But it does not look good for us. I think we're going to have to rely on developers to release drivers for us, not HTC
"HTC believes the overall value of its devices based on their combination of functionality and connectivity exceeds their ability to play or render high-resolution video. These devices do still provide a rich multimedia experience comparable to that of most smartphones and enable a variety of audio and video file formats," reads the official response, in part. Furthermore, the company has officially confirmed that Imageon drivers are not in use on the affected devices, but that it "plans to include video acceleration hardware in future video-centric devices that will enable high-resolution video support."
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Link

Then its final. no more HTC for me as this will be my last HTC device.

HTC you ruined my day. . . Well, I think that means they want a huge money donation to enable them. . .

Yeah no more HTC for me. Everyone who wanted the driver issues fix should agree that when they buy their next PPC make sure it's not an HTC

Fantastic. Perfect. Top notch. [/sarcasm]
So, in light of problems being fixed as they should be, the new issue is with what to replace the Kaiser?
Where oh where is the M8??

What they basically said is that "yea, we know there is no hardware acceleration, but if you really want it you are going to have to give us even more money by buying our next gen handset, bc we aren't fixing it in this one".
I used to rave about my 8125 to everyone. It's too bad HTC is taking the position they are. Never again will I buy a product from HTC or recommend them to anyone else. My next handset will be from i-mate.

yeah i-mate I never thought of them. I wonder if they have anything with touch screen and a full keyboard

Okay, so whos up for a nice class action lawsuit? I'm totally willing to try running HTC into the ground with one.

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yeah i-mate I never thought of them. I wonder if they have anything with touch screen and a full keyboard
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i-mate just annoced last week that they are going back to HTC as the ODM of their phones. I-mate had tried (or was trying with) some other ODMs and it didn't pan out, so they are going back to HTC. If you don't want HTC, then don't buy any future i-mates either....
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/palm-i-mate-others-moving-manufacturing-contracts-back-to-htc/

I think we now need a sticky thread stating "Dont buy HTC products unless you've had your brain removed"
Certainly depending upon who commented to Engadget, we dont know how seriously to take this. But it does look bleak
We all know the existing drivers suck, the phone is buggy
and more to the point for a "premium" product, it doesnt fulfill some functions its predecessors could (its slower than my 3 yr old Wizard at scrolling, camera and opening/closing)

The standard, 'we already got your money response'...
Maybe it would be prudent for a written complaint to the carriers now, if they blow this off on this handset, what makes you think there won't be anything wrong with the next? Maybe they are making a promise on the next? Any takers?
?Glitch

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yeah i-mate I never thought of them. I wonder if they have anything with touch screen and a full keyboard
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That they do. they are actually releasing a kaiser killer very soon - the Ultimate 9502
It uses the exact same chipset as the Kaiser, but I'm guessing it has drivers for hardware acceleration too. It has the same specs as the kaiser (GPS, HSDPA, etc, etc) and features a VGA screen.

Beat me to the 9502. Link - http://www.imate.com/product.aspx?product=ultimate9502

snif...
ah well, here's looking forward to the
toshiba g920
http://www.slashphone.com/111/9012.html
or the imate 9502
http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2007/10/imate_9502_handson.html
or whenever the he77 apple gets a 3g stick out of their a$$.

smittyofdhs said:
i-mate just annoced last week that they are going back to HTC as the ODM of their phones. I-mate had tried (or was trying with) some other ODMs and it didn't pan out, so they are going back to HTC. If you don't want HTC, then don't buy any future i-mates either....
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/palm-i-mate-others-moving-manufacturing-contracts-back-to-htc/
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ah, craptastic.
well, maybe the linux-palm? or go retro and ditch the convergence altogether?

" In response to recent customer complaints about poor video performance on HTC devices based on the latest Qualcomm MSM7xxx chipsets, HTC is providing the following statement.
HTC is committed to delivering a portfolio of devices that offer a wide variety of communication, connectivity and entertainment functionality. HTC does not offer dedicated or optimized multimedia devices and can confirm that its Qualcomm MSM7xxx-based devices do not use ATI’s Imageon video acceleration hardware.
HTC believes the overall value of its devices based on their combination of functionality and connectivity exceeds their ability to play or render high-resolution video. These devices do still provide a rich multimedia experience comparable to that of most smart phones and enable a variety of audio and video file formats.
HTC values its customers and the overall online community of mobile device enthusiasts and fans. HTC plans to include video acceleration hardware in future video-centric devices that will enable high-resolution video support. "
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this whole statement is very ambiguous and does not state that support for imageon drivers aren't possible on current devices. i think its a pr statement and doesn't reflect what their software team is doing. its very opened ended and we could have support for acceleration but we couldn't as well. this statement doesn't tell us that.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=361580
So htc said that the devices with the latest qualcomm chipsets would have 3d acceleration, but they dont. Has anyone pointed this out before. Im not a tytn ii owner, but ive been following the news, since i wanted one for myself.
But, is this false advertising, saying it will have hardware acceleration and then not giving it, and saying it will never be given in an update.
I think the 9502 is where im going too, we just need a forum on XDA for it.
Rory

Back to palm for me!!!

Guilf said:
Beat me to the 9502. Link - http://www.imate.com/product.aspx?product=ultimate9502
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I wonder if the keyboard is comfortable.
Also, let's say I purchase this phone in March. Would HTC get any of that profit?

I agree with BlueCop, and why is everyone getting so worked up about this? Where there's a demand, drivers will follow - their source is just unclear at the moment.

WinMo 7

My question is this..(I have never had a Winmo device so excuse my ignorance)
Will this phone be able to support WinMo7 when it is released?
Also, will HTC support it with a new touchflo thing?
or will it mean Id have to buy a new phone within a year?

Considering that WinMo 6.1 is only just being released with this phone - I doubt anyone could tell you whether the next OS is going to be supported on it or not with any certainty - it's not finalised yet!
That said, if any phone is going to be WinMo 7 compatible, this will - it's the most advanced phone to date and has every feature possible.

"or will it mean Id have to buy a new phone within a year?"
most reports seem to indicate that even when wm7 is released around Q2 2009
older devices with wm6.1 will continue to function
and not spontaneous combust

I dont't think any current phone will be able to run WinMo7 as it will support (or even require) multi-touch.
TDO

TDO said:
I dont't think any current phone will be able to run WinMo7 as it will support (or even require) multi-touch.
TDO
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Hmmm. But Microsoft can virtualise multi-touch.

Of course this is pure speculation but given their pattern, If HTC sells as many Diamonds as they are expecting, I can see them putting some effort into a Windows Mobile 7 upgrade rom as they did with upgrading the original touch over other more recent devices. With that really depends on what kind of upgrade path Microsoft makes for the devices and if it's even doable, if Windows Mobile 7 lives upto what everyone is saying about it, may need to upgrade to a device specifically designed for it.
For me the Touch Diamond is the last step to reaching the perfect device. Has everything I've wanted, small form factor, good amount of program memory, all the necessary features, better screen with VGA. Only thing that could make it better is an even better (capacitive) screen with a higher resolution and of course, a much better more updated front end operating system, ala Windows Mobile 7.

i think this device will not support winmo7 bcoz have new technologies.. and honestly, this device IS NOT SUPERB. just a faster processor, a lot of memory and gps stuff. the same thing as older ones

who knows maybe ms will only make wm 7 pro for atom based cpu's rather then arms
which may then be used as wm7 std with no touchscreen?
naaah prob not

Rudegar said:
who knows maybe ms will only make wm 7 pro for atom based cpu's rather then arms
which may then be used as wm7 std with no touchscreen?
naaah prob not
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that would be suicide for them if they did. I heard a rumor that WinMo7 will be multitouch also !

M$ has stated in 2009 they will come out with Window$ Mobile 6.5. I think that only devices that were shipped from the orginal launch date with 6.1 will be upgradable to 6.5 free from Sprint perhaps. Much in the same way that the Touch went from 6.0 to 6.1. I do not think the touch will get 6.5 as it was shipped from launch with 6.0.

My views:
- yes, the next step is 6.5, not 7, so no need to be doing plans on wm7 for the Touch Diamond at the moment.
- Which 'touch' are you talking about? If it's the Touch Diamond, it has been released from the very beginning with 6.1 on it, not 6.0.
- It's hard to say whether or not HTC will provide us with an official upgrade to 6.5, their policy is so unpredictable and not always sensible...
(remember what happened to European users of P3600...)
- I don't see any reason (except a processor major change as hinted in the post above) why Diamond would not be compatible.
- as far as I know, wm7 is designed to provide old phones with as many new features as possible.
Example: they even think of a work around for phones without accelerometr to sense motions using the built in camera.
- this doesn't mean old phones will be able to get the most out of wm7 new technologies, such as multitouch. But they will be using what their hardware allow them to.

will windows mobile 6.5 be officially for tytn 2

will windows mobile 6.5 be released officially for tytn2

what makes you think it will for the tytn ii

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what makes you think it will for the tytn ii
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He didn't say it will be, he asked if it will be, as if anyone around here would know that.

sorry missread that thanks for pulling me up

doesn't matter, we'll rip it out of another device that updates first or get a good leaked version anyway. That's how it always seems to work at XDA.

and that seems a dam good way for xda to work and keep us all happy

Before this thread gets locked for being pointless. Micro$oft just releases WM 6.5. It is not written for any phone or with any phone or manufacturer in mind. It is HTC that decides which phones they will write new roms for, and whether or not they will include WM 6.5 in the new rom.
And it is the carriers that decide whether to ask HTC to write a new rom for them that includes 6.5 . Micro$oft can release 6.5, HTC can write a rom with it included, then ultimately, in my case , it is AT$T who decides whether it will ever see a Tilt.
Most of those descisions are based on the fact that AT$T wants you to buy a new phone, this does not happen if they keep supporting old phones.

Good job, denco7, that should answer the question.

Anyway, WM 6.5 is too buggy for the moment, and I really do not like the beehive interface. We currently have PIE 6 and M2D and works fine on Kaiser.
HTC will not care to dedicate one minute to such and old device. They have released several models after Kaiser and will be announcing more models this week at MWC. They are following the old policy of "if you want a better or fixed firmware, purchase a new device".

i agree the copy of wm 6.5 is a bit buggy but when the final is released i am sure cookers will make great roms out of it

6.5 is too buggy ? Where did you get a copy to test ? The cooked roms here have a leaked kernel which they are using as the base of a cooked Kaiser rom. It makes me laugh when people get " leaked " versions or " hacked " versions and then come out with an overall asessment of the product.
Final versions of things usually have a lot of security around them, preproduction or discontinued projects do not. These are the ones that usually get " leaked. "
It would be like if Ferarri dropped a little 4cyl motor in a predroduction car just to be able to drive it in to the wind tunnel for testing, then some one leaks out " oh my, the new Ferrari's suck, they are way under powered with only 4cyl engines ....."
While we have been conditioned not to expect much from Micro$oft, I don't think the 6.5 we have is the 6.5 we are going to get as an official release.

denco7 said:
Before this thread gets locked for being pointless. Micro$oft just releases WM 6.5. It is not written for any phone or with any phone or manufacturer in mind. It is HTC that decides which phones they will write new roms for, and whether or not they will include WM 6.5 in the new rom.
And it is the carriers that decide whether to ask HTC to write a new rom for them that includes 6.5 . Micro$oft can release 6.5, HTC can write a rom with it included, then ultimately, in my case , it is AT$T who decides whether it will ever see a Tilt.
Most of those descisions are based on the fact that AT$T wants you to buy a new phone, this does not happen if they keep supporting old phones.
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HTC’s Touch Diamond 2 and Touch Pro 2, announced today, will be upgradeable to Windows Mobile 6.5. New enhanced contact integration combined with new Internet capabilities deliver a people-centric approach to mobile communication. HTC’s Touch Diamond 2 features TouchFLO 3D, a sleek and compact design with a large 3.2-inch high-resolution wide-screen display, while HTC Touch Pro 2 introduces one of the best-ever mobile productivity experiences on a phone highlighted by HTC’s new Straight Talk technology, an integrated e-mail, voice and speakerphone experience.

maybe this thread was written before mine and I just didn't see it... oops. Ok, so htc probably won't make one for the tilt and really don't like that, but there's always really great, reliable roms on here so I'm sure it will be fine. Besides, not buying a new phone any time soon. I don't have any money and plus the stupid phone that htc made to replace the tilt (help me here guys?) took a step backwards and lost any form of tilt functionality, which if ya ask me, was a huge advantage over other devices. So yea.

I believe the HTC Touch Pro2 (which they just announced at MWC) tilts. and is sexy mcsexy.

A.B.C. said:
I believe the HTC Touch Pro2 (which they just announced at MWC) tilts. and is sexy mcsexy.
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Yes it tilts. In all sense and purpose it seems to be the successor to the Kaiser.

azuka said:
Yes it tilts. In all sense and purpose it seems to be the successor to the Kaiser.
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lol, yea. I saw that a few hours after I wrote that! lol.

WM 6.5 is not planned to be released for any currently available device.
engadgetmobile.com[/URL] said:
Microsoft Announces Windows Mobile 6.5
With an endless chain of leaks dating back several months, the suspense factor might not be there that Microsoft had been hoping for -- but for what it's worth, Windows Mobile 6.5 is now official. The latest rendition of Microsoft's mobile platform puts an emphasis on touch-friendliness with a honeycomb-style main menu that the company says is easier to finger than a traditional grid layout; a new lock screen that can be slid on different alerts to automatically call up texts, voicemails, and so on; a thoroughly-restyled cut of Internet Explorer Mobile that features a touchable zoom slider and frequently-used commands; redesigned menus that don't need a stylus to actuate; fingerable home and contacts screens, and more. It's not the thorough gutting of the platform many were hoping for, but for anyone thinking that Windows Mobile 6.1 can stand another facelift without ending up looking like Joan Rivers, 6.5's clearly your baby. Sadly, Microsoft's saying that no devices in the market today will receive official 6.5 updates, but don't pull out your wallets just yet, though -- the first devices with Windows Mobile 6.5 preinstalled should be available in the fourth quarter of the year.
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MS Sucks! Unfortunately!
Even Apple which is quite money grubbing gave out the iphone upgrade to the original iphone buyers. Why - good public relations: Give the software, but say "Sorry, the best stuff won't work unless you buy the NEW phone".
People who get the upgrade will say "That's nice of Apple. Next time I upgrade, I'll stick with the iPhone!"
The TyTN II is not an ancient phone (not new, but not ancient). C'mon MS - if the great guys here at xda-developers can make your software work on the TyTN II, then it surely shouldn't be so difficult for you.
You really need to encourage people to stick with you otherwise - Hello Blackberry, iPhone and Pre! (yea the last one really rocks!)

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Even Apple which is quite money grubbing gave out the iphone upgrade to the original iphone buyers. Why - good public relations: Give the software, but say "Sorry, the best stuff won't work unless you buy the NEW phone".
People who get the upgrade will say "That's nice of Apple. Next time I upgrade, I'll stick with the iPhone!"
The TyTN II is not an ancient phone (not new, but not ancient). C'mon MS - if the great guys here at xda-developers can make your software work on the TyTN II, then it surely shouldn't be so difficult for you.
You really need to encourage people to stick with you otherwise - Hello Blackberry, iPhone and Pre! (yea the last one really rocks!)
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It's called "Forced Progress Through Planned Obsolecence". For all intents and purposes Windows 2000 Professional Edition is plenty adequate for today's needs, and XP RTM was just basically W2k SP2+Luna+newer device support. Windows 2000, while perfectly adequate for 99.9% of needs, (OK, no directX 9c or 10.1), has reached EoL, and is no longer supported by MS. Windows XP will soon meet a similar fate, even though it is adequate for most businuss and conusumer needs. I have personally installed XP on a P1 166 o/ced to 200Mhz with 256MB of RAM. It worked fine as a workstation OS on such limited hardware, but forget about gaming. Try to install Vista on a computer with less then a 1Ghz processor and 1GB of RAM, and you're going to be wishing you never heard of Vista. Vista isn't even truly "usable" unless you have a reletivly modern machine. (2.0Ghz+ processor, 2GB+ PC3200 DDR RAM, 7200RPM HDD with at least 30GB available for OS+basic applications.
Yes, I do realize that XP Home was a significant improvment over Win9x; which most consumers were using at that time. Still the jump from Windows 2000 Professional SP2 to Windows XP Professional RTM was a miniscule improvement at best. Heck, Windows XP (even SP1), isn't very secure. All you need is a Win2k installation CD, and you can get administrator access to Windows XP RTM and SP1 just by booting into the recovery console and simply pressing enter when it asks for the administrative password. BTW, Windows XP will reach EoL for mainstream support during of April 2009, and new security patches will be issued until April 2014. After that date, Windows XP will reach EoL, even though it will remain a perfectly usable OS. It has always been the driving force behind the commercial IT industry, and it will continue to be for the forseeable future.

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It's called "Forced Progress Through Planned Obsolecence". For all intents and purposes Windows 2000 Professional Edition is plenty adequate for today's needs, and XP RTM was just basically W2k SP2+Luna+newer device support. Windows 2000, while perfectly adequate for 99.9% of needs, (OK, no directX 9c or 10.1), has reached EoL, and is no longer supported by MS. Windows XP will soon meet a similar fate, even though it is adequate for most businuss and conusumer needs. I have personally installed XP on a P1 166 o/ced to 200Mhz with 256MB of RAM. It worked fine as a workstation OS on such limited hardware, but forget about gaming. Try to install Vista on a computer with less then a 1Ghz processor and 1GB of RAM, and you're going to be wishing you never heard of Vista. Vista isn't even truly "usable" unless you have a reletivly modern machine. (2.0Ghz+ processor, 2GB+ PC3200 DDR RAM, 7200RPM HDD with at least 30GB available for OS+basic applications.
Yes, I do realize that XP Home was a significant improvment over Win9x; which most consumers were using at that time. Still the jump from Windows 2000 Professional SP2 to Windows XP Professional RTM was a miniscule improvement at best. Heck, Windows XP (even SP1), isn't very secure. All you need is a Win2k installation CD, and you can get administrator access to Windows XP RTM and SP1 just by booting into the recovery console and simply pressing enter when it asks for the administrative password. BTW, Windows XP will reach EoL for mainstream support during of April 2009, and new security patches will be issued until April 2014. After that date, Windows XP will reach EoL, even though it will remain a perfectly usable OS. It has always been the driving force behind the commercial IT industry, and it will continue to be for the forseeable future.
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^ I agree. However this is only after maybe 2 years, maybe, and is only being done out of stubborn greed and douche baggery.

WM 6.5 - Would be nice for Kaiser

Windows Mobile 6.5 which is due out in the 4th quarter of this year will be available to some WM 6.0 and WM 6.1 phones. Sure hope htc gets on the band wagon and upgrades our Kaisers. (Doubtful though).
http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/news/show/92572/windows-mobile-6-5-screen-shot-walk-through.html
Jim

It's already been announced by MS that there will be no upgrades to WM6.5 for current phones.
Anyway, there are a few decent WM6.5 roms out in the ROM Dev forum...

im using wm 6.5 and i dont like it. too much bug and very slow. stick to wm 6.1 unless wm 7 comes out.

My hope, a cooked WM6.5 liked original config. has (icons, feature, applications) and they are working well
If it's a lite version, then just be as original graphics has..
Ah, it's just a dream..

6.5 isnt that great.

peterfnet said:
It's already been announced by MS that there will be no upgrades to WM6.5 for current phones.
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Actually according to this post at engadget mobile, in the last paragraph, it says that Microsoft will now, at the discretion of the device manufacturer, provide a 6.5 upgrade to any device with at least a 400MHz processor and 128MB ram. I still doubt that we'll get an official upgrade since HTC wants us to buy new phones from them. Here's the text for anybody who's interested:
Finally, Microsoft's issued a clarification regarding upgrades from 6.1 to 6.5: devices that are already out in the marketplace with a minimum of 128MB of RAM and a 400MHz processor or better are theoretically capable of being upgraded -- it's all up to licensees to decide whether they want to go to the trouble of offering the upgrades to their customers
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Here's Pocketnow.com's interpretation:
According to Engadget Mobile, Microsoft is amending its upgrade policy for Windows Mobile 6.5. The company is now stating that if you own a Windows Mobile 6.1 device with at least a 400 MHz and 128 MB of RAM, it is up to the device maker to offer an upgrade path or force you to buy new hardware. Can we see a Touch Fuze on AT&T with Windows Mobile 6.5? The "Home" button instead of the "Start" button that was previously required for Windows Mobile 6.5 will surely save some people a few hundred on new hardware.
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Dave

DaveTheTytnIIGuy said:
Actually according to this post at engadget mobile, in the last paragraph, it says that Microsoft will now, at the discretion of the device manufacturer, provide a 6.5 upgrade to any device with at least a 400MHz processor and 128MB ram. I still doubt that we'll get an official upgrade since HTC wants us to buy new phones from them.
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Glad to hear better news about that, thanks.

peterfnet said:
Glad to hear better news about that, thanks.
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I am pretty sure that is the way it went from 6.0 to 6.1. HTC said yes to some models and no to others. MS doesn't care who replaces one phone with another newer one, they sell a license either way.