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Camera improvment

Hi Guys, is there any software available to improve the quality of the camera in the XDA 2i, its rather poor even with the res turned right up. I am running 1.11.00.we, pugs 1.11.162 and radio 1.04.00 thanks Phill

The best software to improve the quality of the camera is CoolCamera at www.ateksoft.com
Thanks

Alpine Camera Quality
I upgraded to the PUG ROM with Camera fix, personally I didn't find any real improvement with the Coolcamera software, although it is a better designed interface. The real problem is the camera hardware, which is very poor and low grade and no software can fix that I'm afraid.
DAz

difference with Hermes model

Hi,
At work, we have about 15 Hermes (or SPV M3100) devices.
they are great and especially when we think about flashing them and working with application on it.
I was thinking to buy a TyTN II for my personal use, however as i do not know it so well (except was is on HTC web page), i would like to hear your experiences ?
if someone had also Hermes model before, it could be great to know comparison.
thx.
A.

If you are looking for a business device and don't want a PSP or DVD player in a phone...
Then this is the one...

ok, i've read those articles...
seems to be bad for HTC.
ok anyway i will not watch a movie on this PDA.
max, i will only read/write emails, use it as GPS tool, develop some applications, and for sure reflash ROM...
to take pictures or to use it for video conference is not the purpose...
but is it so bad for picture ?
i mean comparing to Hermes pda ?
thx.

the Camera is brilliant outdoors and in bright light. But low level lighting causes horribly low FPS, although saying that, if you take pictures in low level lighting, they are still quite clear, it's just difficult to take them becuase of the crap FPS on the viewfinder.

and what about the new WM7 ?
will it support it ?

I would imagine at some point one of the ROM chefs will bring out a WM7 ROM. They did with WM6 for the WM5 devices, but I have no idea how long that would be, or even if it would be possible.
From the write-ups I've seen, yes people go off about the video drivers, but those that use it for the purposes you (and I) want it for and have upgraded from the Hermes like the device. It has more memory and built in GPS. I came from the HTC Universal (XDA Exec, Orange never released a version I don't think) which is from the same era as the Hermes and the Tytn II is as good or better. I don't think you will regret the upgrade, but it's your money. PS it will play video's if you re-encode them to a smaller size / lower bitrate.

Is the Diamond affected as is the Kaiser/TyTnii

With regard to video performance etc which HTC refuse to address?

No (filler)

Hi thanks....but what does (filler) mean?

pachjo said:
Hi thanks....but what does (filler) mean?
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hihi this means that he has to fill his sentense because the minimum lenght of a message is 6 (?) characters...
he also could have written: no my friend...

LOL thanks dude.
I am thinking about going against my better judgement and ditching the TyTnII and selling it then upgrading to a contract to get the diamond.
I like the HTC devices and would gladly keep the TyTnii but the performance is annoying me as I know although acceptable knowing it could do better ......
well ya know

Yeah sorry mate, could have been a bit politer. And it was to add more characters like he said. I think the minimum is 10.
Rory

lo no worries

I hope I'm not too late, because you'll regret it if you dump your Kaiser for the Diamond over video performance.
See this thread for benchmarking details:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=397478
Playing the same video, the Diamond was only able to match the HTC Touch's performance. The Touch has the same processor and video issues as the Kaiser. The diamond was almost 30% slower than a 3 year old 6700 running at 416mhz.
Edit: I was also told that this website had done prior benchmarking to verify that while the Diamond featured some video improvements over the Touch and Kaiser, they weren't significant overall.

I like the diamond, but I wouldn't ditch my tytn II for it just yet unless you have plenty of $$$, wait for the diamond pro and reconsider.
-mix

Thanks for the info! I was toying with the idea of getting a diamond as the tytnII perfromance does niggle me.
But I have been reading a lot on this site and am now being drawn to having a go at flashing my tytnII ..... after I have thoroughly read what I need to first of course!

The Touch Diamond doesn't seem to be even close to for example Samsung i780 video performance, so I'd say that it still has some sort of video performance issues, if not the same as the TyTN II has.
Although I like the Touch Diamond, I think that HTC rushed things with this unit and it DEFINETELY isn't the 530 EUR worth I paid for.
I bought a SE C902 for 350 EUR one week earlier and although this is no WM device and I can't install many third party programs(just java stuff), the performance and especially the camera of the C902 are really very very good. Yes, the Touch Diamond looks better but the C902 is even slightly thinner and less wide, not to forget about the mentioned absolutely GREAT picture quality/speed of the 5MP camera.

Don't forget the Diamond has four times the number of pixels to drive compared to the TyTN II...

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Don't forget the Diamond has four times the number of pixels to drive compared to the TyTN II...
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so? you still wouldn't get better performance out of it. Same driver issues.

Diamond HTC CAMERA software will work on HTC ATHENA??

Hi all Could anybody please tell me whether CAMERA Software form HTC Diamond could work flawless on HTC X7500 Athena with WM6 (I know that Diamond has 3.2 Megapix and Athena 3.0) and if yes could also make a cab file to have an opportunity to install it on Athena (am besten newest version from Diamond ROM WM6.1)???
Athena's camera soft version 4.01 build 27598 makes unfortunately terrible pictures
Thaks for reply

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Hi all Could anybody please tell me whether CAMERA Software form HTC Diamond could work flawless on HTC X7500 Athena with WM6 (I know that Diamond has 3.2 Megapix and Athena 3.0) and if yes could also make a cab file to have an opportunity to install it on Athena (am besten newest version from Diamond ROM WM6.1)???
Athena's camera soft version 4.01 build 27598 makes unfortunately terrible pictures
Thaks for reply
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terrible pictures? you must be jocking!

Well if you like them its your opinion but compared to sony ericsson or Nokia they are terrible

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Well if you like them its your opinion but compared to sony ericsson or Nokia they are terrible
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The Diamond takes bad pictures too, no win situation here I'm afraid.
I also own the new SonyEricsson C902, this little thingie is a treat in the camera department.

And sony ericsson firmware updates (according to camera soft) almost always improve schutter speed, screen refresh rate (when you have camera lens open) and the quality actually Maybe HTC envy this sony ericsson in near future.
And HTC ATHENA has terrible screen refresh rate - when I move it to follow for Example something that I want to photograph, I can hardly say what is going on on Athena's screen

for photos i have a 7mp kodak. for video i have a jvc mini dvd.
i don't ask much from a PHONE camera. it's only a PHONE camera made for a quick snapshot in case of emergency. no artistic demands here. i don't buy a pda for his camera and i don't compare pda's by their camera.
it is like using yr DVD as a shovel or a hammer.

I agree with you but:
1. If it is possible to improve sth why not improving it and
2. People nowadays are looking for a phone (or sth else) with good and fast camera because thanks to that they have opportunity to make a picture when they want and of what they want because they have Mobile phone always with them. To have beautiful pictures I would use NIKON or CANON but sometimes I need to make picture immediately. And many new Nokias or Sony Ericssons are better than HTC and many People will change HTC to NOKIA or SE in the future if HTC not improves for example camera. Its a competition and the best will win

Touch HD vs. Diamond 2

I understand that this may be a slightly biased place to ask the question but...
Touch HD vs. Diamond 2....
Specs, speed, software, features please.... I can't decide which one to get.

Bellers said:
I understand that this may be a slightly biased place to ask the question but...
Touch HD vs. Diamond 2....
Specs, speed, software, features please.... I can't decide which one to get.
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You are asking the impossible. Nobody from here can pick a device for you...
Try here ...
K

If you want an official upgrade to Winmo 6.5, and potentially Winmo 7, go for the TD2. Microsoft are christening 6.5 and beyond as "windows phone" rather than "windows mobile" and have specified that windows phones must have a flag button (and presumably other hardware stuff). Going forward, I wouldn't be surprised if the TD2 were to get a winmo 7 upgrade for a fee, but it's looking like the Touch HD will not get any official upgrades. There's always the unofficial ROMs on here, of course, but personally I like to keep to official ROMs for the phone I use for running my business.
Just a thought.

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Going forward, I wouldn't be surprised if the TD2 were to get a winmo 7 upgrade for a fee.
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Personally I'd be astounded. WM7 is a long way off really.

andyturner said:
Personally I'd be astounded. WM7 is a long way off really.
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It may be a long way off, but you have to look at Microsoft's roadmap. WM6.5 and WM7 are both on the same "path" - they are both "Windows Phone" operating systems. The new branding implies a new stance regarding OS updates, and it's this that makes me think upgrades will be offered to all "Windows Phone" owners. The TD2 and TP2 are the first "Windows Phones" on the market, and therefore stand a much better chance of receiving WM7 when it's available than the HD does.

Jim Coleman said:
It may be a long way off, but you have to look at Microsoft's roadmap. WM6.5 and WM7 are both on the same "path" - they are both "Windows Phone" operating systems. The new branding implies a new stance regarding OS updates, and it's this that makes me think upgrades will be offered to all "Windows Phone" owners. The TD2 and TP2 are the first "Windows Phones" on the market, and therefore stand a much better chance of receiving WM7 when it's available than the HD does.
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Nope They will not be upgradable to WM7. Not a single phone avalaible now meets the specs requirements of WM7.
WM7 Chassis 1 Specification
Core requirements:
Processor: ARM v6+, L2 Cache, VFP, Open GL ES 2.0 graphics HW (QCOM 8k, Nvidia AP15/16* and TI 3430 all meet spec)
Memory: 256MB+ DRAM, 1G+ Flash (at least 512MB fast flash – 5MB/s unbuffered read @4K block size)
Display: WVGA (800×480) or FWVGA (854×480) 3.5” or greater diagonal
Touch: Multi-touch required
Battery: Sufficient to meet Days of Use LTK requirements.
Controls: Start, Back, Send and End are required (soft controls allowed as long as they are always present).
Peripherals:
Camera: 3MP+, flash optional, 2nd camera optional (VGA resolution sufficient)
GPS: aGPS required
Sensors required: Light Sensor, Compass (3 axis, 5 degrees, 100 Hz sample rate), Accelerometer (3 axis, 2mg resolution, 100 Hz sample rate)
USB: High speed required, 20 MB/s transfer rate.
BlueTooth: BT2.1 required, must run MSFT BT stack, CSR BlueCore6 or later recommended.
Wi-Fi: 802.11B/G required, must run MSFT Native Wi-Fi stack, Atheros 6002 or Broadcomm 4325 recommended.
Connectors: Micro USB and 3.5mm Audio required.
Options:
FM tuner: If tuner HW is present it will be detected and supported by the Media application.
Haptics
SD Card (Micro SD recommended)
DPAD, qwerty or 12/20 key keyboards all optional
http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2752

MAK11 said:
Nope They will not be upgradable to WM7. Not a single phone avalaible now meets the specs requirements of WM7.
WM7 Chassis 1 Specification
Core requirements:
Processor: ARM v6+, L2 Cache, VFP, Open GL ES 2.0 graphics HW (QCOM 8k, Nvidia AP15/16* and TI 3430 all meet spec)
Memory: 256MB+ DRAM, 1G+ Flash (at least 512MB fast flash – 5MB/s unbuffered read @4K block size)
Display: WVGA (800×480) or FWVGA (854×480) 3.5” or greater diagonal
Touch: Multi-touch required
Battery: Sufficient to meet Days of Use LTK requirements.
Controls: Start, Back, Send and End are required (soft controls allowed as long as they are always present).
Peripherals:
Camera: 3MP+, flash optional, 2nd camera optional (VGA resolution sufficient)
GPS: aGPS required
Sensors required: Light Sensor, Compass (3 axis, 5 degrees, 100 Hz sample rate), Accelerometer (3 axis, 2mg resolution, 100 Hz sample rate)
USB: High speed required, 20 MB/s transfer rate.
BlueTooth: BT2.1 required, must run MSFT BT stack, CSR BlueCore6 or later recommended.
Wi-Fi: 802.11B/G required, must run MSFT Native Wi-Fi stack, Atheros 6002 or Broadcomm 4325 recommended.
Connectors: Micro USB and 3.5mm Audio required.
Options:
FM tuner: If tuner HW is present it will be detected and supported by the Media application.
Haptics
SD Card (Micro SD recommended)
DPAD, qwerty or 12/20 key keyboards all optional
http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2752
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Man I feel sucky already.....

Haha! Fair enough, I stand corrected, looks like a good excuse for a new phone an a year or so then :O)

MAK11 said:
Nope They will not be upgradable to WM7. Not a single phone avalaible now meets the specs requirements of WM7.
WM7 Chassis 1 Specification
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http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2752
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Did you even read the whole blog post? Here are a few snippets you forgot to mention.
Blog title
Could this be the hardware spec for Microsoft's Pink phone?
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First up: A list of what may or may not be the final specs for the Windows Mobile 7 Chassis 1. Chassis 1 seems to be the the heart of the rumored “Pink” Microsoft phone and possibly other Windows Mobile 7 phones made by Microsoft partners.
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Some caveats about this list: Microsoft officials won’t talk publicly about Pink or Windows Mobile 7 (and only selectively about Windows Mobile 6.5) at this point. This information also is at least a few months old and may have changed a bit.
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And then the information you posted. So number 1 its not official, and number 2 it may not even be talking about minimum specs for WM7 but new hardware from Microsoft themselves. In saying all that its extremely unlikely that an official upgrade to WM7 will ever appear for Current phones, or even upcoming ones like the Touch Pro 2, purely because by the time WM7 launches they will be too old.

Haha again! Rumour quoted as truth eh!
Truth is, I'd love a Microsoft phone, at least if there were any probs it'd be all Microsoft's fault - none of this manufacturer-blames-os-maker-and-vice-versa crap!

All this info doesnt help much guys. We need someone who had touch HD and bought TD2 and he is happy for this reasons or unhappy for other reasons.
I have HD and thinking to sacrifice his bigger screen for 1)a new device and a 2)smaller size which makes it look more like a phone
if someone has done this "phone switch" plz make a fast review

I had a HD and lost it two weeks ago. I had it for 6 month and just watched one houre movie at that time. When I bought a new phone I had both of them in my hands and played around to see the difference. First the d2 is quicker and runs smoother. Not even that, the upgrade had added some good functionality in the contacts tab. I really like that you can see all emails and sms you sent or received from a contact. On my HD I used iContact, but dont need that anymore.
The size is also positive. It feels more like a phone than the HD. Feels right in the hand.
The bad part is the loss of the 3,5mm. I had to buy a usb->3.5mm converter and that is big and clumsy. Not good at al. My other concern is that I cant reach thumbcal from a appointment on the today tab.
If I lose my phon again I go for the d2 again. I am very very happy with it, and I was very happy with my old HD.

switched from HD to TD2
Kill_bill said:
All this info doesnt help much guys. We need someone who had touch HD and bought TD2 and he is happy for this reasons or unhappy for other reasons.
I have HD and thinking to sacrifice his bigger screen for 1)a new device and a 2)smaller size which makes it look more like a phone
if someone has done this "phone switch" plz make a fast review
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Hi,
I had the TouchHD for 5 months until I sold it to get the new TD2.
My actual reason was the size, the TD2 is really more like a phone now, whereas the HD was more like a PDA.
- the hardware is exactly the same (some other processor model I think, but exactly the same speed so no changes here)
- actually I liked the all-black design from the HD better, but the TD2 still looks very nice and high-class. The build quality is pretty much very high on both devices but the metal finish of the TD2 simulates better grade of quality. (I personally think that the TD2 is a little bit better built)
- the shipped software is a major improvment on the TD2. I had to install tons of apps and finally flash some really good ROMs (Dutty's Ship V3.3) to get a decent user interface. on the TD2 it's all here...even without the flashing.
- official winmo 6.5 update was very important to me (of yourse, there are cooked 6.5 roms for the touchHD but most of them are still very buggy and bear in mind that winmo 6.5 isn't officially released yet!)
- I love the new "start" key (which is the reason why the HD won't get an official update to 6.5). It makes it so much easier to operate your phone with one hand.
And the 4 hardware keys are now illuminated, which makes it a lot easier when it's dark. (and it's a cool looking white light!)
- I like the new speaker position (on the side instead of on the back). makes it easer to hear when your phone is on a bed/couch...
- the stylus isn't magnetically put into place any more, but I barely use it, so actually I don't care.
- The TD2 is 1mm thicker (not really noticeable)
- I was thrilled about the 3,5mm jack of the HD but I actually didn't use it at all. (there is nothing like an ipod) so it was no downgrade for me.
- I feared that typing on the slightly smaller screen would be harder on the TD2 but you just have to get used to it! So for me there are no issues with the smaller sized screen...not with browsing (I do a lot), not for videos, not for tomtom nor anything else. (the screen was really huge on the HD, maybe a little bit too big for my taste...like I said...more PDA than phone)
And because of the smaller screen size but the same resolution, the images look a little bit crisper in comparison.
- I think that the background illumination is slightly higher on the TD2. In my opinion it's a little bit better to read from in bright daylight.
- It's a new device: nice to have a change and six more months warranty!
I think, I covered all my impressions after having the TD2 for about 2 weeks now. If you have any more questions PM me and I will be happy to answer.
...also see Brandon's comparison video @pocketnow.com