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The video created by Kaiser is terrible!
Look into the example in this thread. Those people were just walking, normally.
And the video result is really bad, blurry on movement.
Did I do something wrong?
maybe there is a configuration section where you can set it to 25/30 frames per second¿...
No, there is no configuration like that.
I can only choose "video mode" and resolution.
No frame per second setting.
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maybe there is a configuration section where you can set it to 25/30 frames per second¿...
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With what kind of device are you comparing it to?
Another cameraphone that performs better, or a real video camera?
I have zero expectations from any cameraphone. They all have abysmal quality, it's a fundamental reality with the compromises in optics and sensor size needed to keep the phone portable.
I think you do something wrong...
Show in THIS Thread and you will see what a Video can look like. The Video there are very ok to good in my opinion..
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Entropy512, I dont compare with other device and dont expect a very good quality. But I compared with the one created in this thread :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=328201
Like mentioned by SKSAustin.
As far as configuration, if you look into the camera, there is nothing special there, no fancy or detailed configuration.
You can only select resolution, which in this case I use 320x240.
So, I still cant figure out why the video was so bad.
It could be, because of the "indoor" situation, not enough light? Then the autofocus was not fast enough.
I have not tried outdoor btw (will do today).
But still, if that is the case, then it sucks!
something is wrong you have 3fps in that video
gogol said:
Entropy512, I dont compare with other device and dont expect a very good quality. But I compared with the one created in this thread :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=328201
Like mentioned by SKSAustin.
As far as configuration, if you look into the camera, there is nothing special there, no fancy or detailed configuration.
You can only select resolution, which in this case I use 320x240.
So, I still cant figure out why the video was so bad.
It could be, because of the "indoor" situation, not enough light? Then the autofocus was not fast enough.
I have not tried outdoor btw (will do today).
But still, if that is the case, then it sucks!
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Doesnt resolution = quality?
I tried a quick video last night (poor indoor lighting conditions) and i got exactly the same result - so hopefully it's merely because of the poor lighting.
I'll make some other vids and post them when i can!
This is very bad... but at the same time very funny to watch. They move like Akuma in Street Fighters...
This is very bad, but at the same time very funny to watch. They move like Akuma in Street Fighters...
Great, i can't open MP4s anymore! Quicktime comes up with:
-Error -2401: an invalid sample description was found in the movie.
lame!
Ok, I can confirm that this kind of bad video is caused by the indoor situation.
This morning, I created outdoor video something like in the other thread and it is nice.
See in the attachment.
Glad it was not a problem with hardware!
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This is very bad, but at the same time very funny to watch. They move like Akuma in Street Fighters...
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Yeah...that's great...
So, anyone with a little photographic background/experience could have thought up the explanation for your 3fps problem....: in low light the frame rate goes down like the shutterspeed on a regular photocamera would.
Sounds perfectly normal/plausible to me
Ihave the device and I would give the following scores to the camera:
Close up Mode : 9/10
Pictures :8/10
video : 8/10
mhg2000 said:
Ihave the device and I would give the following scores to the camera:
Close up Mode : 9/10
Pictures :8/10
video : 8/10
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Based on what?
I am visiting this forum looking for info on the TyTNII, as a replacement for my Nokia N95. I like the form factor of the TyTNII a lot, but things like the camera is really, really bad, when you are used to the N95.
The frame rate of the N95 is 30 fps in full vga resolution, meaning 4x the res of the TyTNII, and it doesn't drop to 3 fps just because of lower light levels. Besides, the still photos of the N95 is years ahead of the TyTNII, so if the latter one scores 8-9/10, I guess the N95 scores 20/10...
This is actually very sad for me, because I have been looking forward to the TyTNII since the first info was leaked, but now I am not so sure I want one after all, for this and a few other reasons. Hopefully a new ROM will fix some of these issues.
If you are going to tell me 'it's just a phone', then obviously you haven't tried the N95. It really goes a long way to replace your normal digicam. Nice to only have to carry a single device, and obviously the future.
you may want to check to make sure you do not have multiple other programs running when you go into video mode (memory crunch may slow performance)
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Based on what?
I am visiting this forum looking for info on the TyTNII, as a replacement for my Nokia N95. I like the form factor of the TyTNII a lot, but things like the camera is really, really bad, when you are used to the N95.
The frame rate of the N95 is 30 fps in full vga resolution, meaning 4x the res of the TyTNII, and it doesn't drop to 3 fps just because of lower light levels. Besides, the still photos of the N95 is years ahead of the TyTNII, so if the latter one scores 8-9/10, I guess the N95 scores 20/10...
This is actually very sad for me, because I have been looking forward to the TyTNII since the first info was leaked, but now I am not so sure I want one after all, for this and a few other reasons. Hopefully a new ROM will fix some of these issues.
If you are going to tell me 'it's just a phone', then obviously you haven't tried the N95. It really goes a long way to replace your normal digicam. Nice to only have to carry a single device, and obviously the future.
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I think the N95 took great pics too, but do you think it's fair to compare the two? I think it's more fair to compare the E90 to the Tytn 2 as I think these two devices have more relations, than a multimedia device like the N95
Certainly, TyTn II is not for you
I have not and will not try N95, even though the camera and video might be better (obviously, because N95 is 5 MP), because simply Symbian is not my preferred Mobile OS.
Oh btw, I cant live without built-in qwerty keyboard ... that's all.
HBK said:
Based on what?
I am visiting this forum looking for info on the TyTNII, as a replacement for my Nokia N95. I like the form factor of the TyTNII a lot, but things like the camera is really, really bad, when you are used to the N95.
The frame rate of the N95 is 30 fps in full vga resolution, meaning 4x the res of the TyTNII, and it doesn't drop to 3 fps just because of lower light levels. Besides, the still photos of the N95 is years ahead of the TyTNII, so if the latter one scores 8-9/10, I guess the N95 scores 20/10...
This is actually very sad for me, because I have been looking forward to the TyTNII since the first info was leaked, but now I am not so sure I want one after all, for this and a few other reasons. Hopefully a new ROM will fix some of these issues.
If you are going to tell me 'it's just a phone', then obviously you haven't tried the N95. It really goes a long way to replace your normal digicam. Nice to only have to carry a single device, and obviously the future.
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1. The N95 really isn't a multimedia device. It's an advanced smartphone with extremely powerful hardware, but that label doesn't sell It does just about everything the TyTN II does, only lacking the qwerty and touch screen. Screen size is about the same and the resolution is identical. I prefer the Microsoft OS over S60, but that is my personal preference and I must admit that S60 have some very strong points over WM (and vice versa, of course).
2. I don't need the qwerty, but that doesn't mean that TyTN II isn't for me. Previously I have owned the Magician + a few MS smartphones and latest the Mio A701, so WM is by no means new to me. A few months back I got the feeling that it was time to replace the A701 and with TyTN II nowhere in sight, really I could see no WM device being a serious competition to the N95. So I got the Nokia, my first mobile of that brand for about 5 years
So, with the TyTN II now in the hands of normal users, I decided to have a look at this site for info and unfortunately it looks like even TyTN II can't compete evenly with the N95 on all points. All is not lost, though, if the compression algorithm is updated to something less destructive. I do believe the cam hardware of TyTN II is better than the current software, which can only be a positive thing. So HTC, bring on the first firmware update, please
Hello,
I wrote many posts about my disapointment on the Kaiser performances, but this one will surely be the last one, I'm gonna sell my Kaiser.
At first, I thought I had to just get used to it, but after about 20 days of use, I definitly just CANNOT get use to it !
It may be a good device for phone, email, GPS, all kind of serious work; but about the entertainment, it is a bad device from my point of view :
- it can't play VGA videos with a good frame rate : we all know the driver "not existing" problem. But when you pay the high price for this device, you also pay for the Qualcomm processor, wich in the case of the Kaiser does not give you all it should !!!
Also I noticed that displaying streaming videos from the web was slower than on my old HTC Universal (wich is one of the slower HTC machine about displaying videos because it is a VGA device with no hardware accelerator).
- games and emulators run slower than on my HTC Prophet device (wich is overclocked at 240 Mhz where my Kaiser runs at 380 Mhz !) : it's for real, I just tested again many games and emulators and the frame rate is better on the HTC Prophet.
- the pad isn't good for gaming (because of its shape) : the horizontal size of it is too big compared to the vertical size. So when you play fast action games, you need to move your finger from one side of the D-pad to the other side (on the horizontal side), you can't leave your finger on the D-pad. So you loose time when using the D-pad, I don't know if what I say is clear enough ... Also, in fast action games, when pressing the left side of the D-pad, if I press it too firmly, I can feel the screen moving a little bit, just like if I wanted to open the hardware keyboard.
The buttons around the pad are too small. Many times, when playing, I press two buttons at the same time instead of just one.
From my point of view, it is the worst Pocket PC I had to play games (I had a Casio EM505, Ipaq 1930, Dell Axim X50v, HTC Prophet ...).
To try to improve the performances, I tried many tweaks given by you guys on this forum (thanks for that), it worked for some things but only partially, unfortunatly not enough to make me think that my Kaiser has a decent speed.
I know the Kaiser is not a gaming machine, but it is hard to accept these performances problems when you know that most of the other HTC machines, with lower prices, run faster !!! It is really a shame that HTC didn't make any driver to just use the power of the Qualcomm processor, but they let us pay for it !!!
Along with these performances problems, I'm also disapointed about the overall finish quality of this device :
- the d-pad looseness : I hate to feel the buttons and the pad moving under my fingers.
- it's made of plastic, compared to my Prophet wich is made of metal, I feel the need to protect my Kaiser with a good cover, wich increase the size it takes in my pocket (where my Prophet just had no protection).
- the power on button is not in a good position : too close from the screen and not enough sticking, so many times I push the screen while pressing it, and I also need to always look at my Kaiser and search for the button to power it on or off. Someone in this forum gave a solution for that, where we put 3D paint on the button, but seriously, doing that on a device of this price, it's a shame again !
- the weight : the Kaiser is about twice heavier than my Prophet (well, it is my feeling). But it is hard to blame HTC on this because the Kaiser has so many things inside, could they do better ? I'm not sure.
- the micro-sd door make me feel like it could break very easily.
- the keyboard : all keys does not give the same feeling when pressing them, so I always have to look at the screen while typing to be sure the key I pressed is really pressed or is not pressed twice. I thought I could get use to it, but after 20 days of use, I just say "no !". I tried the keyboard of the TYTN (the old one, the TYTN 1) of one of my friend, and it is really better ! Also the space bar gives two clicks when you press it (strange feeling) where the TYTN space bar gives only one (wich is better).
- the camera : I took a few pictures, and as on many pocketpc/phone, from my point of view the quality just make me think it's a gadget again, but about that I don't really care because I just don't need it (but again, I paid for it).
Still there ? Did you read all I wrote ? How brave you are !
The only good part I like on the Kaiser is the GPS, it's working very well.
It may also be good as a phone, but I didn't use it yet so let's say it's good (everyone say so).
So I took the decision to sell it, and maybe wait for the "TYTN III"
But for the next one, I guess I'll wait more before buying it for other people to give a lot more opinions. Now I also have a 6GB micro-sd to sell (one week old !), I will lose money but that will make me feel happier !
How much do you want for thsi pile of trash?
dizzy33 said:
Still there ? Did you read all I wrote ? How brave you are !
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Sure I have and I also link to this really informative thread from the "official" threads.
CARD
how much for the card!
I posted something similar yesterday and I have moved it here:
I went from the i-mate JASJAM (TyTN) to the TyTN II, and below are part of something I posted on another site:
New annoyances with TyTN II, issues I didn't have with the JASJAM:
1. Playing MP4 videos in PMP10; sound and video out of sync.
2. Occasional sluggishness (CPU not enough?).
3. Screen sometimes doesn't react to tapping if screen tapping sounds are enabled or if using other apps which gives sound feedback, like Bubble Breaker.
4. Poor quality Bluetooth audio for handsfree phone calls, similar to what you get with two tin cans and a string.
5. If you're right-handed and slide out the keyboard, then need to use the stylus, you have to perform some minor acrobatics to get it out from the left side. Be careful not to drop the phone!!!
6. A GPS device with a transmissive screen? HTC hopes that everyone will be using the GPS indoors? JASJAM's screen was transflective but probably because of the lack of GPS
7. Night mode in the camera can not be switched on or off manually. The camera will decide when night mode is required, and this is the case even when strong fluorescent light is available, making it impossible to use the camera hand-held indoors.
8. The camera takes all photos in portrait mode. You have to hack the registry to make it switch to landscape mode.
Of the above points, I hope the first four could be solved if HTC would ever release ROM updates.
And HTC: WTF is "USB 2.0 Full Speed"??!?! You're trying to deceive customers? Full speed (12Mbps) is USB 1.1!!! USB 2.0 gives High Speed, which is 480Mbps, which of course the TyTN II doesn't support.
To add something positive about the TyTN II:
- Keyboard is much nicer. It gives more feeling of quality than the cheap metal dome calculator keys the JASJAM had. The TyTN II's keyboard is probably the same, but they have managed to improve the "feel".
- A2DP! Using my SE DS970 headset, sound quality is very good. Not with PMP10 though. I'm using PocketMusic which gives something similar to SE's MegaBass.
- I love the case! Mocha leather feel and that ultra-soft velcro flap gives an almost naughty feeling to it
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- The 3MP camera is very good, although the 2MP in the JASJAM was also very good (with the right settings) and the increase in megapixels doesn't give the corresponding increase in photo quality. TyTN II photos are just a little better.
I could perhaps recommend the TyTN II to new users. But I would definitely not recommend upgrading from TyTN (JASJAM). Better buy a Bluetooth GPS, if this functionality is what you miss on the TyTN. If you need faster than 1.8 Mbps HSDPA, then choose another phone. Maybe the E90?
Dizzy: You have posted a well structured critical posting for you opinions of the kaiser and I can only say that I am sorry it does not work out for you.
I have the T-Mobile version of the TyTN II and I do not have the problems you have with the keys moving about (its the only version that's different) the d-pad is the same size top,bottom, left and right and for most part i have not had any problems with the rendering of divx movies on my device (I use pocket divx encoder to convert the films (films are 250mb)) as for games I have a few 3d based games like tiger woods and need for speed and they seem to play better on the kaiser than they did on the wizard even when that was overclocked with omapclock.
For the rest of the niggles you and others have mentioned, your right that we should not have to put up with them but there is not too much of a problem to work round them (software or firmware) so in time I'm sure we will fix a lot of the problems that HTC should have fixed but have not.
It might be worth leaving it a while and see what happens and perhaps buy a UK T-Mobile one later when other things are fixed?
Russ
Deathace said:
Dizzy: You have posted a well structured critical posting for you opinions of the kaiser and I can only say that I am sorry it does not work out for you.
I have the T-Mobile version of the TyTN II and I do not have the problems you have with the keys moving about (its the only version that's different) the d-pad is the same size top,bottom, left and right and for most part i have not had any problems with the rendering of divx movies on my device (I use pocket divx encoder to convert the films (films are 250mb)) as for games I have a few 3d based games like tiger woods and need for speed and they seem to play better on the kaiser than they did on the wizard even when that was overclocked with omapclock.
For the rest of the niggles you and others have mentioned, your right that we should not have to put up with them but there is not too much of a problem to work round them (software or firmware) so in time I'm sure we will fix a lot of the problems that HTC should have fixed but have not.
It might be worth leaving it a while and see what happens and perhaps buy a UK T-Mobile one later when other things are fixed?
Russ
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About the DivX file reading, yes you can read them if you encoded it with pocketdivx, you're right. Actually, you can do that with any pocketpc on the market, even with the cheapest one. But my problem is that when you look at the Qualcomm capabilities, you see that it should read VGA videos, without the need to convert them (my good old Axim X50V could do that, and it is now about 4 years old !). It would be, from my point of view, a lot more interesting if we could directly put the divx file into the Kaiser without having to convert it to some format each time. As we know, it's all the fault of HTC wich did not make the drivers to give the Qualcomm capabilities to us, but, again, we paid for it !!!!!!!
Like you said, maybe I should give more time to my Kaiser, maybe someone (of course not an HTC people) will program the drivers for us, but it's all "maybe", and if I don't want to lose much money on my Kaiser, the sooner I sell it, the better it is.
I would really like to ear someone saying "hey, a driver to use the Qualcomm capabilities will be out soon", I would then really give more time to my Kaiser, but for now the only thing we have is the petition, and I guess HTC will not listen to us. Why would they ? So many people are using it only for its professionnal use (phone/GPS/emails etc...), I think they will not listen to 2000 people (if we are !), when the device is sold to something like dozens of thousand people, and I may be far from the real count.
I would definitly prefere to keep it, but it does not fit all my needs unfortunatly.
I would like to advise future buyers of this device that it is not as perfect as we can read in the reviews. If it's for a strictly professional use, it may be OK, but for entertainment, my advise would be "buy something else !".
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As we know, it's all the fault of HTC wich did not make the drivers to give the Qualcomm capabilities to us, but, again, we paid for it !!!!!!!
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This is the main reason that my next phone will not be a HTC phone. The obviously poor quality of the Video in a "premium" product means that when I am "able" to upgrade my handset, it wont be HTC.
Phones like the LG Viewty and even the iPhone put this pile-of-crap to shame not obly for video and audio, but in the case of the Viewty for Camera quality.
I gave up on using the camera on my Kaiser/VarioIII within a week. The usability of the camera is poor (to juddery)
Menneisyys said:
Sure I have and I also link to this really informative thread from the "official" threads.
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Thanks a lot !
Hey, if you think Kaiser is bad, then have a look at Eten X800. Check-out their forum, and then you'll find out what's really bad.
Bottom line is Kaiser is very usable, whereas the X800 is not usable at all, isn't that the first thing that counts, even before looking at feature and function?
I will also sell Kaiser ... once I got a similiar replacement (probably Imate Ultimate 9502?).
I agree, for entertainment, Kaiser is the worst HTC product!
I for one like this better than the TYTN. For one thing, spring-loaded keyboard sold me to it. I hated how the TYTN keyboard gets loose after several uses. I must've replaced it 3-4 times under warranty. All of them turned out the same and when i finally dropped the phone due to mishandling caused by the looseness of the keyboard, that was it.... My only main gripe is the power button that i wished they somewhat elevated and what everyone is complaining about and that is the video driver support. But i'll give it time since it just came out less than a month or 2 ago. Then the GPS, 3mp camera are just little extras that made me want it some more.
Thanks for this initial post...
I've come to the same conclusions WITHOUT even buying the kaiser which was supposed to become my first smartphone.
In a nutshell: I'm not buying anything Qualcomm...I'd rather wait for a google phone and I think I'd feel more comfortable if it had an nvidia goforce chip in it.
See you in Q3 2008 for these new htc phones and I guess I'll just get shoes for christmas
the-uki said:
Bottom line is Kaiser is very usable, whereas the X800 is not usable at all, isn't that the first thing that counts, even before looking at feature and function?
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Agreed. But Kaiser has so more untaped potential it's really frustrating HTC/Qualcomm gimped their hardware support.
It's also very shortsighted as HTC will be using the qualcomm platform for many products to come, and the kaiser "botch", when it will reach enough exposure, will certainly dent their sales.
coincoinlapin said:
Thanks for this initial post...
I've come to the same conclusions WITHOUT even buying the kaiser which was supposed to become my first smartphone.
In a nutshell: I'm not buying anything Qualcomm...I'd rather wait for a google phone and I think I'd feel more comfortable if it had an nvidia goforce chip in it.
See you in Q3 2008 for these new htc phones and I guess I'll just get shoes for christmas
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Hehe, the irony... The first Android phone (google phone) has a Qualcomm chip in it
it plays games?
the-uki said:
Hey, if you think Kaiser is bad, then have a look at Eten X800. Check-out their forum, and then you'll find out what's really bad.
Bottom line is Kaiser is very usable, whereas the X800 is not usable at all, isn't that the first thing that counts, even before looking at feature and function?
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I'm sorry but I don't care about the fact that some other devices are worst. This does not make me like more my own device. The Kaiser problems are still there.
The main gripe with the Kaiser is speed. I hope that some day soon a clever bunny writes an Omap type app that'll overclock the Qualcomm. This, I'm sure, will make the device very usable.
If only I was the clever bunny.
sounds like you want a PSP rather than a phone
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Hehe, the irony... The first Android phone (google phone) has a Qualcomm chip in it
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Do you already have specs for the first htc gphone??
Hi,
At work, we have about 15 Hermes (or SPV M3100) devices.
they are great and especially when we think about flashing them and working with application on it.
I was thinking to buy a TyTN II for my personal use, however as i do not know it so well (except was is on HTC web page), i would like to hear your experiences ?
if someone had also Hermes model before, it could be great to know comparison.
thx.
A.
If you are looking for a business device and don't want a PSP or DVD player in a phone...
Then this is the one...
ok, i've read those articles...
seems to be bad for HTC.
ok anyway i will not watch a movie on this PDA.
max, i will only read/write emails, use it as GPS tool, develop some applications, and for sure reflash ROM...
to take pictures or to use it for video conference is not the purpose...
but is it so bad for picture ?
i mean comparing to Hermes pda ?
thx.
the Camera is brilliant outdoors and in bright light. But low level lighting causes horribly low FPS, although saying that, if you take pictures in low level lighting, they are still quite clear, it's just difficult to take them becuase of the crap FPS on the viewfinder.
and what about the new WM7 ?
will it support it ?
I would imagine at some point one of the ROM chefs will bring out a WM7 ROM. They did with WM6 for the WM5 devices, but I have no idea how long that would be, or even if it would be possible.
From the write-ups I've seen, yes people go off about the video drivers, but those that use it for the purposes you (and I) want it for and have upgraded from the Hermes like the device. It has more memory and built in GPS. I came from the HTC Universal (XDA Exec, Orange never released a version I don't think) which is from the same era as the Hermes and the Tytn II is as good or better. I don't think you will regret the upgrade, but it's your money. PS it will play video's if you re-encode them to a smaller size / lower bitrate.
Should i wait for Touch pro or just get Diamond?
The specifcation for Touch pro is definately what i'm looking for except "keyboard" and "size"
However, Diamonds has no externmal memory, and flash.
Now i'm really confuse, wheter to wait for Tocuh pro to release or just get diamond now
Many review say this diamond is very interesting.
Thanks for the advice.
If you don't want the keyboard, or the bloated size, then the Diamond's the one to choose.
You can always manage files to keep within the 4gb. You can't leave half the Pro at home when you don't want the size issue.
Kevin
Yep. Get the Diamond. 4GB is more than enough for most people, and a lack of flash will just mean some of your pictures will be lower quality. Meanwhile the extra size and keyboard problems would be considerably harder to solve - you can't compress the phone, but you can compress files!
Keyboard vs no Keyboard should be the main deciding factor.
Memory would then be secondary as the TD DOES have 4gb still...
To be honest I'm gonna miss the qwerty keyboard on this device, but when I sum up the positive and negative sides from both pda's I personally think you're better off with the diamond if you're an avarage user. To sum my (most important) opinions:
Keyboard:
I think the keyboard is very handy, but I don't like the thickness of the Touch Pro. At the moment I have a MDA Vario (wizard). Great device (for it's time) but it's just too gigantic imo. When you look at the new software keyboard it looks like it works like a charm (by the way, does anyone have real experience with it?) and makes the keyboard look very depricated imo.
Memory/SD:
Yeah, upgradable can be very handy. But if you look at the Diamond specs.. I mean, 4 gig.. Isn't that just enough for a phone/pda?
By the way. It's mentioned nowhere that the Diamond has a better VGA screen. While the touch pro displays 65.536 colours, the diamond displays 262.144 colours. More the reason to choose the diamond for me!
Totally agree.
moving from Excalibur to Diamond was quite a challenge for me personaly.
I miss my easy texting on hardware qwerty keyboard I like new touchflo but as soon as Touch Pro is out, I will be switching to Rafael. Diamond is great though. Just not my cup of tea
WorldIRC said:
Keyboard vs no Keyboard should be the main deciding factor.
Memory would then be secondary as the TD DOES have 4gb still...
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I currently use Artemis,
Actually Touch pro size is not so different from Artemis
Touch Pro: 102 mm (L) X 51 mm (W) X 18.05 mm (T)
Artemis: 108 mm (L) X 58 mm (W) X 16.8 mm (T)
Only 1.25 MM. thicker
However, still i never used any keyboard phone
XDA Mini--> Atom--> Prophet --> Artemis ---> ???
Just wonder, if i keep on Diamond.. is will be the same feeling
I have no conclusion yet, Thanks
geeMc said:
By the way. It's mentioned nowhere that the Diamond has a better VGA screen. While the touch pro displays 65.536 colours, the diamond displays 262.144 colours. More the reason to choose the diamond for me!
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Where did you find this info? This and this state the opposite...
And then, this is like the fifth thread about that. Let's try to keep it all in one place. Anyways, my opinion...
demonizator said:
Where did you find this info? This and this state the opposite...
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I think your second 'this' was meant to be this.
And PDAdb has had inaccurate information in the past, so maybe... *crosses fingers in hope of better screen on Touch Diamond*
Dark Fire said:
I think your second 'this' was meant to be this.
And PDAdb has had inaccurate information in the past, so maybe... *crosses fingers in hope of better screen on Touch Diamond*
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Oops, sorry bout that.
Well since Diamond is already out can somebody confirm if it's a 65k or 262k? Although it's the first time I hear about this difference and afaik 262k is not native for WM devices.
is the Pro 288 MB RAM vs diamond 192MB RAM
I live with my hermes more than 2 years so the size is not the problem (IMO no phone could beat the hermes (Iphone, Kaiser...) but the Touch pro is the killer)
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Oops, sorry bout that.
Well since Diamond is already out can somebody confirm if it's a 65k or 262k? Although it's the first time I hear about this difference and afaik 262k is not native for WM devices.
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Well, I was kinda hoping that it would be true. I'll show you the sources:
http://www.gsmhelpdesk.nl/read.php?id=2917&ch=1 (newsarticle, in dutch)
http://www.gsmhelpdesk.nl/specs.php?id=2521 (spec page diamond)
http://www.gsmhelpdesk.nl/specs.php?id=2522 (spec page raphael)
I assumed these were the right specifications, but hey, you made me doubt myself .
Wouldn't count on that. I guess it's the only site stating that. Check this too. It's absolutely the same display.
http://samsungomnia.com/
Guys this thing is Diamond killer..
firstime911 said:
http://samsungomnia.com/
Guys this thing is Diamond killer..
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the moste important fact for me was the vga resolution on the diamond, the samsung has only a 240x400 resolution...
thats more like a killer armed with a watergun
I have to agree with chaos42. While the Samsung is a slick device, resolution is a HUGE deal. Once you go VGA, you can't go back. Of course, WVGA would be nice...
Also, it looks like the TD is somewhat significantly smaller... Also a huge deal. I love having a phone that does so much more than an iPhone AND is smaller...
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Meanwhile the extra size and keyboard problems would be considerably harder to solve - you can't compress the phone, but you can compress files!
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I'm only just getting onto the whole TP idea (afte considering an Xperia), but I'm currently on a Nokia N95 which is 99 x 53 x 21. The TP/Raphael is 102 x 51 x 18...so for me it'll be smaller!!
See, when you compare an N95, which although big, is a great device, yet still easy enough to put in one hand, you can see that the Pro really isn't huge...
And compared to the old HTC Universal, they're ALL teeny tiny. And compared to my truck - I could carry around a phone-booth and it would be small. I can't think of any phones that wouldn't "fit in a hand". The quest for ever-smaller devices is more about what fits in your pockets than your hand, and to that point - I have found that anything with a physical keyboard is going to be too big.
And my athena too It's tiny compared to that
hi i spoke to vodaphone and the xperia2 deliver date has been put back as they have software issues withit and they might even withdraw it
turnerhall said:
hi i spoke to vodaphone and the xperia2 deliver date has been put back as they have software issues withit and they might even withdraw it
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You can't be serious!
SE delaying a release, shocking!!!
I'm sorry for the sarcasm but SE has NEVER released a device on time, EVER.
who the hell cares
honstly i dont know why sony should bother. i for one dont really care anymore if it ever gets released
they did not bother fixing the the biggest issue with the x1 (the extremely poor performance). they just added more performance sucking features like the winmo 6.5, new applications/customization and 8,1 camera and kept the same slow driverless QC7200 528mhz chipset] just to guarantee that it will lag even more than the X1. after seeing the HD2 performance and comparing it to every "fast" 6.5 rom on the x1. it becomes evident that anything less than snapdragon is just not worth it anymore on highh-end phones
and then there is the problem of ~700euro price. please SE spare us your crap. the omnia pro has been available for several months now and it has better specs (AMOLED 3.5 screen,800MHZ, compass, samsung build quality (not the unproven mobinovva quality) and its less than 400euros
and dont even get me started on the lack of XDA-devs support which is probably probably the reason why i haven't regretted buying the X1
if i were you, id just use the X1 untill a suitable replacement like the tpro3 (i dont think SE will ever release the x3 since i dont expect them to do well with the x2). if you cant wait that long just get the hd2 now. i did not miss the HW keyboard with that 4.3" capacitive screen
yea dont go for the x2, its not worth it, or even for the tp2 for that matter. The only thing the new phones really have on the X1 is a bigger screen and accelerometer which to me isnt that big a deal. Not worth another 300- 500$ for a slightly upgraded device anyway...
I doubt that you will see any significant performance gains with any of the new WM devices from SE or HTC using the same MSM7200 ****. I plan on hanging onto my x1 another 5 months or so (or at least until the housing completely breaks) hoping something better rolls along, or I can get my hands on an X10.
1. who care when they can be ported to x1
2. what does this have to do with rom devolopment of xperia. if u wana post it, atleast do it in the right section....either xperia genereal or off-topic
cheers
I say this should be moved to xperia general subforum
Well, seems like they've had issues with all the newly released phones lately (as in Satio and Aino), so not surprising they'd have issues with X2.
their half hearted [email protected] entering the windows mobile market have failed miserably in my opinion. the X1 and x2 were delayed because of software (that no one really care about). almost all cooked roms have tf3d and most roms dont have any of SE unpracticle crap like the useless panels and the very untouch friendly interface.
i think sony may have a chance of not failing if they change the hardware to snapdragon but thats very unlikely because SE are simply not capable of doing such task at such short notice. i dont see the point of releasing x2 with the slow CPU even if they reduce the cost there is just not enough interest.
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Well, seems like they've had issues with all the newly released phones lately (as in Satio and Aino), so not surprising they'd have issues with X2.
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Played with Satio at the mall today, it was not up to my expectation.
looks like sony ericssons gonna lose a lot
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_aino_pulled_out_from_uk_stores_just_after_satio-news-1286.php
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yea dont go for the x2, its not worth it, or even for the tp2 for that matter. The only thing the new phones really have on the X1 is a bigger screen and accelerometer which to me isnt that big a deal. Not worth another 300- 500$ for a slightly upgraded device anyway...
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I disagree
May I ask: currently, which windows phone has the better camera of all ??
To me, and considering Rhodium's toyish 3.1 MegaPix camera, Diamond2/Topaz's bring-your-flishlite 5 MegaPix camera, and HD2's "viagra effect" 5 MegaPix camera, the X2's 8 megapixels camera alone is reason enough to upgrade from X1 to X2
Just my oppinons after 2 weeks using the X2 camera for a daily basis (my cybrshot is busy accumulating dust in my room)
PS: THIS FORUM NEEDS ACTIVE MODS. THIS THREAD SHOULD BE MOVED TO THE GENERAL SUB.
HEY WE DESERVE MODS TOO HERE @ HTC'S BASTARD SIBLING (kovsky) FORUMS !!
i will definitely buy the X2 if it is available now in local market ... and for lower price
Hd2 is a wonderfull phones, but have too many isuues, no tv-out, non videocall, really bad camera, price too hight, and ...its too big.. Xperia x2 have no one of this problems.. i will go for x2 if this one day will come..
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Hd2 is a wonderfull phones, but have too many isuues, no tv-out, non videocall, really bad camera, price too hight, and ...its too big.. Xperia x2 have no one of this problems.. i will go for x2 if this one day will come..
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i agree
for me as X1 user the X2 is an must-have.....
here my points why i want to have it:
1. CPU seems to have full power now and not throttled to 400MHz
2. camera (i would bet its the module from C905 so i expect great quality)
3. 3.2" display is absolute perfect size (big enough to use finger and not too big so i can reach the whole screen with one hand and thumb)
4. no dust-collecting edge on display
5. best battery lifetime of all WM devices like X1 before (with TP2 together strongest battery but smaller display)
6. stereo speaker with hopefully great sound quality (some people compared it with W995, Nokia 5800 ams Samsung i8910 (i also own the nokia and the samsung)
7. a much better keyboard than the X1 (but X1 keyboard was already very good for me)
8. Amazing, smooth animated tilewave panel i tested on my X1
9. panels are very useful for me (on the road, tilewave, WM Homescreen, SPB Mobile shell, Facebook i use very often) and damned fast now also on X1
10. the great continous support with 48h repair warranty
that are 10 reasons to by the X2 for me and these reasons are worth the 510€ in switzerland for me........
and to the "slow" CPU:
what do you expect from snapdragon???? only that start menu scrolling is smoother than with MSM7200????? damned guys think about it!!!! the only reason for snapdragon would be to play high res 3D games with iPhone graphics...... but when do you think such games will come????? the game developers have to spend more ressources in game developement like xtract which works perfectly with the 7200 hardware...... or what would you say if you have to buy a PC with a 1000€ CPU to play a game on PC doesn't support hardware accelleration????? and for alle other usages the X1 was already fast enough and if you use the Touch HD video converter from the Blackstone thread you can also watch 800x480 videos smooth on X1!!!!!
and a last thing:
the X2 is the inly actual device with this complete hardware bundle and qwerty keyboard and with SE quality on the market....... and these Omnia Pro ****???? i have the first omnia and its slower and more laggy than my 5800 nokia crap and the omnia 2????? i read some test reports and it is the same **** like the one before...... Samsung is too silly to make good wirking and useful software for its devices and SE does this much better almost on the 2nd run!!!!!
EDIT: ah sry for my bad english i'm from germany ;-)
I agree completely with Jerpelea and others who like the X2. I was thinking of going in for an HTC HD2 but am now not so sure. I need a keyboard and a good camera and enough real estate to read ebooks and browse the web comfortably. It seems the X2 will be able to do all these things well. As for Snapdragon, many reviews of the HTC HD2 have complained about the "lagging" and the terrible battery life. I guess it all boils down to what you want a device for.
in Italian shops x2 will arrive 7 december
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in Italian shops x2 will arrive 7 december
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hmm i talked to SE X2 support one our ago and they said the X2 is shipped to german sellers since middle of last week......
expansys switzerland and germany sais the date is today...... hmm pressing both thumbs.....