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Is the Diamond affected as is the Kaiser/TyTnii

With regard to video performance etc which HTC refuse to address?

No (filler)

Hi thanks....but what does (filler) mean?

pachjo said:
Hi thanks....but what does (filler) mean?
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hihi this means that he has to fill his sentense because the minimum lenght of a message is 6 (?) characters...
he also could have written: no my friend...

LOL thanks dude.
I am thinking about going against my better judgement and ditching the TyTnII and selling it then upgrading to a contract to get the diamond.
I like the HTC devices and would gladly keep the TyTnii but the performance is annoying me as I know although acceptable knowing it could do better ......
well ya know

Yeah sorry mate, could have been a bit politer. And it was to add more characters like he said. I think the minimum is 10.
Rory

lo no worries

I hope I'm not too late, because you'll regret it if you dump your Kaiser for the Diamond over video performance.
See this thread for benchmarking details:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=397478
Playing the same video, the Diamond was only able to match the HTC Touch's performance. The Touch has the same processor and video issues as the Kaiser. The diamond was almost 30% slower than a 3 year old 6700 running at 416mhz.
Edit: I was also told that this website had done prior benchmarking to verify that while the Diamond featured some video improvements over the Touch and Kaiser, they weren't significant overall.

I like the diamond, but I wouldn't ditch my tytn II for it just yet unless you have plenty of $$$, wait for the diamond pro and reconsider.
-mix

Thanks for the info! I was toying with the idea of getting a diamond as the tytnII perfromance does niggle me.
But I have been reading a lot on this site and am now being drawn to having a go at flashing my tytnII ..... after I have thoroughly read what I need to first of course!

The Touch Diamond doesn't seem to be even close to for example Samsung i780 video performance, so I'd say that it still has some sort of video performance issues, if not the same as the TyTN II has.
Although I like the Touch Diamond, I think that HTC rushed things with this unit and it DEFINETELY isn't the 530 EUR worth I paid for.
I bought a SE C902 for 350 EUR one week earlier and although this is no WM device and I can't install many third party programs(just java stuff), the performance and especially the camera of the C902 are really very very good. Yes, the Touch Diamond looks better but the C902 is even slightly thinner and less wide, not to forget about the mentioned absolutely GREAT picture quality/speed of the 5MP camera.

Don't forget the Diamond has four times the number of pixels to drive compared to the TyTN II...

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Don't forget the Diamond has four times the number of pixels to drive compared to the TyTN II...
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so? you still wouldn't get better performance out of it. Same driver issues.

HD or TD2?

Please Help.... HD or TD2.???
Which is faster?
user friendly??
What is the processor difference? (it is not the same)
Screen quality (not size)

chris2004 said:
Please Help.... HD or TD2.???
Which is faster?
user friendly??
What is the processor difference? (it is not the same)
Screen quality (not size)
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I own both , td2 is faster , most user friendly , better screen quality
processor differences ? just the VGA videorecorder , td2 has and hd no

stesa said:
I own both , td2 is faster , most user friendly , better screen quality
processor differences ? just the VGA videorecorder , td2 has and hd no
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So, the td2 had an improvement in the hardware lcd screen, right?If I m right the hd is more susceptive to brick? The assistence in Brazil is a hell and send to fix to htc international it will cost a lot of money since here there isn't a good place to do this.

chris2004 said:
Please Help.... HD or TD2.???
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I wish I knew - crucial question for me, too.
Brandon from pocketnow.com thinks the TD2 is the better deal, check out his video comparison.
I've checked with a few vendors, and indeed the HD is still more expensive.
Newer device, better WM integration from what I hear, definite WM6.5 upgrade for less bucks? I'm tempted ...
> user friendly??
I wonder about that, too. The HD is a bit awkward to handle due to its size, but then again, I think I really want the huge display. I'm thinking it could serve as an internet tablet replacement, couldn't it?
Xperia X1, by comparison, has WVGA display too, and that's just too small for my eyes (amazing pixel-per-inch though!).
Hmmmm ... HD: 3.8" ... TD2: 3.2" ... X1: 3" ...
TD2 owners, let's hear it!
N.

own both, and I really cannot make a choice. My HD runs Dutty's 3.2 ROM which means that they pretty much have the same software. I list the benefits of either over the other, as far as I am concerned. For me, I believe its a tie.
TD2:
- TF3D is much faster for some reason. (perhaps because it is running an official ROM?)
- Warmer screen colors
- Small and Pocketable, it actually feels like a phone
- Cheaper
- Zoom bar is a really useful addition, but I could live without it.
- VGA video, but I don't use it that much anyway. Haven't noticed any significant difference on photo quality.
HD:
- Slightly better battery Life.
- BIG SCREEN makes writing with the on-screen keyboard more comfortable. Browsing the web is pure bliss. Car navigation experience is also superior
- 3.5mm audio jack means that I don't have to worry about forgetting the ExtUSB adapter.

Thanks pangel83 - I'm thinking along those lines too.
BTW, for everyone, there seems to be pretty much the same thread here. Just thought I'd point that out here, since apparently the other thread was created earlier. Didn't find it sooner myself, now keeping track of both.
N.

The HD is much more expensive than the TD2 and the only real difference is the screen size and the 3,5mm jack. Since a converter costs a few dollars it's not that big of a deal (unless you always forget it) and the size of the HD is not always a pro.
I'd say look at the video comparison of pocketnow, all their videos were really helpful when I had to chose a new phone

Touch HD vs. Diamond 2

I understand that this may be a slightly biased place to ask the question but...
Touch HD vs. Diamond 2....
Specs, speed, software, features please.... I can't decide which one to get.

Bellers said:
I understand that this may be a slightly biased place to ask the question but...
Touch HD vs. Diamond 2....
Specs, speed, software, features please.... I can't decide which one to get.
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You are asking the impossible. Nobody from here can pick a device for you...
Try here ...
K

If you want an official upgrade to Winmo 6.5, and potentially Winmo 7, go for the TD2. Microsoft are christening 6.5 and beyond as "windows phone" rather than "windows mobile" and have specified that windows phones must have a flag button (and presumably other hardware stuff). Going forward, I wouldn't be surprised if the TD2 were to get a winmo 7 upgrade for a fee, but it's looking like the Touch HD will not get any official upgrades. There's always the unofficial ROMs on here, of course, but personally I like to keep to official ROMs for the phone I use for running my business.
Just a thought.

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Going forward, I wouldn't be surprised if the TD2 were to get a winmo 7 upgrade for a fee.
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Personally I'd be astounded. WM7 is a long way off really.

andyturner said:
Personally I'd be astounded. WM7 is a long way off really.
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It may be a long way off, but you have to look at Microsoft's roadmap. WM6.5 and WM7 are both on the same "path" - they are both "Windows Phone" operating systems. The new branding implies a new stance regarding OS updates, and it's this that makes me think upgrades will be offered to all "Windows Phone" owners. The TD2 and TP2 are the first "Windows Phones" on the market, and therefore stand a much better chance of receiving WM7 when it's available than the HD does.

Jim Coleman said:
It may be a long way off, but you have to look at Microsoft's roadmap. WM6.5 and WM7 are both on the same "path" - they are both "Windows Phone" operating systems. The new branding implies a new stance regarding OS updates, and it's this that makes me think upgrades will be offered to all "Windows Phone" owners. The TD2 and TP2 are the first "Windows Phones" on the market, and therefore stand a much better chance of receiving WM7 when it's available than the HD does.
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Nope They will not be upgradable to WM7. Not a single phone avalaible now meets the specs requirements of WM7.
WM7 Chassis 1 Specification
Core requirements:
Processor: ARM v6+, L2 Cache, VFP, Open GL ES 2.0 graphics HW (QCOM 8k, Nvidia AP15/16* and TI 3430 all meet spec)
Memory: 256MB+ DRAM, 1G+ Flash (at least 512MB fast flash – 5MB/s unbuffered read @4K block size)
Display: WVGA (800×480) or FWVGA (854×480) 3.5” or greater diagonal
Touch: Multi-touch required
Battery: Sufficient to meet Days of Use LTK requirements.
Controls: Start, Back, Send and End are required (soft controls allowed as long as they are always present).
Peripherals:
Camera: 3MP+, flash optional, 2nd camera optional (VGA resolution sufficient)
GPS: aGPS required
Sensors required: Light Sensor, Compass (3 axis, 5 degrees, 100 Hz sample rate), Accelerometer (3 axis, 2mg resolution, 100 Hz sample rate)
USB: High speed required, 20 MB/s transfer rate.
BlueTooth: BT2.1 required, must run MSFT BT stack, CSR BlueCore6 or later recommended.
Wi-Fi: 802.11B/G required, must run MSFT Native Wi-Fi stack, Atheros 6002 or Broadcomm 4325 recommended.
Connectors: Micro USB and 3.5mm Audio required.
Options:
FM tuner: If tuner HW is present it will be detected and supported by the Media application.
Haptics
SD Card (Micro SD recommended)
DPAD, qwerty or 12/20 key keyboards all optional
http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2752

MAK11 said:
Nope They will not be upgradable to WM7. Not a single phone avalaible now meets the specs requirements of WM7.
WM7 Chassis 1 Specification
Core requirements:
Processor: ARM v6+, L2 Cache, VFP, Open GL ES 2.0 graphics HW (QCOM 8k, Nvidia AP15/16* and TI 3430 all meet spec)
Memory: 256MB+ DRAM, 1G+ Flash (at least 512MB fast flash – 5MB/s unbuffered read @4K block size)
Display: WVGA (800×480) or FWVGA (854×480) 3.5” or greater diagonal
Touch: Multi-touch required
Battery: Sufficient to meet Days of Use LTK requirements.
Controls: Start, Back, Send and End are required (soft controls allowed as long as they are always present).
Peripherals:
Camera: 3MP+, flash optional, 2nd camera optional (VGA resolution sufficient)
GPS: aGPS required
Sensors required: Light Sensor, Compass (3 axis, 5 degrees, 100 Hz sample rate), Accelerometer (3 axis, 2mg resolution, 100 Hz sample rate)
USB: High speed required, 20 MB/s transfer rate.
BlueTooth: BT2.1 required, must run MSFT BT stack, CSR BlueCore6 or later recommended.
Wi-Fi: 802.11B/G required, must run MSFT Native Wi-Fi stack, Atheros 6002 or Broadcomm 4325 recommended.
Connectors: Micro USB and 3.5mm Audio required.
Options:
FM tuner: If tuner HW is present it will be detected and supported by the Media application.
Haptics
SD Card (Micro SD recommended)
DPAD, qwerty or 12/20 key keyboards all optional
http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2752
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Man I feel sucky already.....

Haha! Fair enough, I stand corrected, looks like a good excuse for a new phone an a year or so then :O)

MAK11 said:
Nope They will not be upgradable to WM7. Not a single phone avalaible now meets the specs requirements of WM7.
WM7 Chassis 1 Specification
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http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2752
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Did you even read the whole blog post? Here are a few snippets you forgot to mention.
Blog title
Could this be the hardware spec for Microsoft's Pink phone?
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First up: A list of what may or may not be the final specs for the Windows Mobile 7 Chassis 1. Chassis 1 seems to be the the heart of the rumored “Pink” Microsoft phone and possibly other Windows Mobile 7 phones made by Microsoft partners.
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Some caveats about this list: Microsoft officials won’t talk publicly about Pink or Windows Mobile 7 (and only selectively about Windows Mobile 6.5) at this point. This information also is at least a few months old and may have changed a bit.
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And then the information you posted. So number 1 its not official, and number 2 it may not even be talking about minimum specs for WM7 but new hardware from Microsoft themselves. In saying all that its extremely unlikely that an official upgrade to WM7 will ever appear for Current phones, or even upcoming ones like the Touch Pro 2, purely because by the time WM7 launches they will be too old.

Haha again! Rumour quoted as truth eh!
Truth is, I'd love a Microsoft phone, at least if there were any probs it'd be all Microsoft's fault - none of this manufacturer-blames-os-maker-and-vice-versa crap!

All this info doesnt help much guys. We need someone who had touch HD and bought TD2 and he is happy for this reasons or unhappy for other reasons.
I have HD and thinking to sacrifice his bigger screen for 1)a new device and a 2)smaller size which makes it look more like a phone
if someone has done this "phone switch" plz make a fast review

I had a HD and lost it two weeks ago. I had it for 6 month and just watched one houre movie at that time. When I bought a new phone I had both of them in my hands and played around to see the difference. First the d2 is quicker and runs smoother. Not even that, the upgrade had added some good functionality in the contacts tab. I really like that you can see all emails and sms you sent or received from a contact. On my HD I used iContact, but dont need that anymore.
The size is also positive. It feels more like a phone than the HD. Feels right in the hand.
The bad part is the loss of the 3,5mm. I had to buy a usb->3.5mm converter and that is big and clumsy. Not good at al. My other concern is that I cant reach thumbcal from a appointment on the today tab.
If I lose my phon again I go for the d2 again. I am very very happy with it, and I was very happy with my old HD.

switched from HD to TD2
Kill_bill said:
All this info doesnt help much guys. We need someone who had touch HD and bought TD2 and he is happy for this reasons or unhappy for other reasons.
I have HD and thinking to sacrifice his bigger screen for 1)a new device and a 2)smaller size which makes it look more like a phone
if someone has done this "phone switch" plz make a fast review
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Hi,
I had the TouchHD for 5 months until I sold it to get the new TD2.
My actual reason was the size, the TD2 is really more like a phone now, whereas the HD was more like a PDA.
- the hardware is exactly the same (some other processor model I think, but exactly the same speed so no changes here)
- actually I liked the all-black design from the HD better, but the TD2 still looks very nice and high-class. The build quality is pretty much very high on both devices but the metal finish of the TD2 simulates better grade of quality. (I personally think that the TD2 is a little bit better built)
- the shipped software is a major improvment on the TD2. I had to install tons of apps and finally flash some really good ROMs (Dutty's Ship V3.3) to get a decent user interface. on the TD2 it's all here...even without the flashing.
- official winmo 6.5 update was very important to me (of yourse, there are cooked 6.5 roms for the touchHD but most of them are still very buggy and bear in mind that winmo 6.5 isn't officially released yet!)
- I love the new "start" key (which is the reason why the HD won't get an official update to 6.5). It makes it so much easier to operate your phone with one hand.
And the 4 hardware keys are now illuminated, which makes it a lot easier when it's dark. (and it's a cool looking white light!)
- I like the new speaker position (on the side instead of on the back). makes it easer to hear when your phone is on a bed/couch...
- the stylus isn't magnetically put into place any more, but I barely use it, so actually I don't care.
- The TD2 is 1mm thicker (not really noticeable)
- I was thrilled about the 3,5mm jack of the HD but I actually didn't use it at all. (there is nothing like an ipod) so it was no downgrade for me.
- I feared that typing on the slightly smaller screen would be harder on the TD2 but you just have to get used to it! So for me there are no issues with the smaller sized screen...not with browsing (I do a lot), not for videos, not for tomtom nor anything else. (the screen was really huge on the HD, maybe a little bit too big for my taste...like I said...more PDA than phone)
And because of the smaller screen size but the same resolution, the images look a little bit crisper in comparison.
- I think that the background illumination is slightly higher on the TD2. In my opinion it's a little bit better to read from in bright daylight.
- It's a new device: nice to have a change and six more months warranty!
I think, I covered all my impressions after having the TD2 for about 2 weeks now. If you have any more questions PM me and I will be happy to answer.
...also see Brandon's comparison video @pocketnow.com

Diamond2 vs TP2

Having a really tough time deciding which to buy...
The TP2 does look very compelling in this video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz4TKMypIg4&feature=channel_page

Well... The Diamond 2 has a better camera...
It might be a little smaller... and cheaper
The TP2 has a keyboard, And it has some interesting features for business men
In my country I'd pay 150€ extra for it... Which I wouldn't do.
If you need it for business, Take the TP2, If you just want an excellent phone... Go with the Diamond 2

jeutie said:
Well... The Diamond 2 has a better camera...
It might be a little smaller... and cheaper
The TP2 has a keyboard, And it has some interesting features for business men
In my country I'd pay 150€ extra for it... Which I wouldn't do.
If you need it for business, Take the TP2, If you just want an excellent phone... Go with the Diamond 2
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Agreed. Main factor for me was the size: TD2 is perfect in that respect for my kind of use, and I do not miss keyboard (if I have large amount of text to type, I have a laptop or a workstation anyway). Keyboards had much too much bulk for the advantage they offer imho...
Design-wise, the only think I would change on the TD2 would be a slightly larger screen, if that is possible keeping the overall size exactly the same, and more physical controls (side wheel for scrolling, more remappable buttons). At a led flash, mainly for having flashlight always handy ;-)

IMO People should not be having trouble with this decision.
You either want a phone with a physical keypad and don't mind it being slightly larger OR you would rather have a smaller phone instead of a physical keypad.
There are other differences but they are small.
One thing though .... the TF3D interface is obsessed with scrolling. On the T2 this can be like having to win a game of Teeter to be allowed to call someone or select an application. The physical keypad on the P2 has direction keys. Maybe someone can comment on where (what parts of TF3D) these can be used in.
If you turned off TF3D (escape from Teeter) then this won't be an issue.

chch said:
IMO People should not be having trouble with this decision.
You either want a phone with a physical keypad and don't mind it being slightly larger OR you would rather have a smaller phone instead of a physical keypad.
There are other differences but they are small.
One thing though .... the TF3D interface is obsessed with scrolling. On the T2 this can be like having to win a game of Teeter to be allowed to call someone or select an application. The physical keypad on the P2 has direction keys. Maybe someone can comment on where (what parts of TF3D) these can be used in.
If you turned off TF3D (escape from Teeter) then this won't be an issue.
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I agree... not sure why people really have difficulty here....

Absolutely. Turning off TF3D is the best thing I ever did on my TD2. My word does it fly now! And no more stoopid scrolling through enormous lists!

Jim Coleman said:
Absolutely. Turning off TF3D is the best thing I ever did on my TD2. My word does it fly now! And no more stoopid scrolling through enormous lists!
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Hi Jim,
I'm also pretty annoyed by the endless scrolling of TF3D and thinking of replacing it. With which "Home-Plugin" did you replace TF3D?
Is there a way to start the HTC Music player without TF3D?
Thanks and regards,
JTGBDR

jtgbdr said:
Hi Jim,
I'm also pretty annoyed by the endless scrolling of TF3D and thinking of replacing it. With which "Home-Plugin" did you replace TF3D?
Is there a way to start the HTC Music player without TF3D?
Thanks and regards,
JTGBDR
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I use all the standard plugins plus WMP Status 1.0, TodayAgenda and Cash Organizer 2008.
I don't use any "Today replacement" plugins because I actually use the standard Today screen and think it's the best way of getting all the info I want on one screen.
The TF3D music player needs to have TF3D enabled. I use WMP, hence the WMP Status Today plugin.
TodayAgenda is the best thing since the news of Jacqui Smith's sacking.

Check out my new in-depth review of the Touch Pro2.
The review has everything from hardware and gps testing to video benchmarking and gaming:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgTjSbpFDhQ
A very detailed review with comparisons to the Touch Pro as well.
Part I: Build Quality, Qwerty Keyboard, Hardware, Speakerphone test
Part II: User interface, Camera, Gaming, GPS Navigation, Video Benchmark and Conclusion
-TheDudeLasse

thedudelasse said:
Check out my new in-depth review of the Touch Pro2.
The review has everything from hardware and gps testing to video benchmarking and gaming:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgTjSbpFDhQ
A very detailed review with comparisons to the Touch Pro as well.
Part I: Build Quality, Qwerty Keyboard, Hardware, Speakerphone test
Part II: User interface, Camera, Gaming, GPS Navigation, Video Benchmark and Conclusion
-TheDudeLasse
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awesome review

thedudelasse said:
Check out my new in-depth review of the Touch Pro2.
The review has everything from hardware and gps testing to video benchmarking and gaming:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgTjSbpFDhQ
A very detailed review with comparisons to the Touch Pro as well.
Part I: Build Quality, Qwerty Keyboard, Hardware, Speakerphone test
Part II: User interface, Camera, Gaming, GPS Navigation, Video Benchmark and Conclusion
-TheDudeLasse
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i couldn't decide wether to wait a month for the TP2 or go buy the TD2, congratulation you just convinced me to wait

Xperia x2 delay

hi i spoke to vodaphone and the xperia2 deliver date has been put back as they have software issues withit and they might even withdraw it

turnerhall said:
hi i spoke to vodaphone and the xperia2 deliver date has been put back as they have software issues withit and they might even withdraw it
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You can't be serious!
SE delaying a release, shocking!!!
I'm sorry for the sarcasm but SE has NEVER released a device on time, EVER.

who the hell cares
honstly i dont know why sony should bother. i for one dont really care anymore if it ever gets released
they did not bother fixing the the biggest issue with the x1 (the extremely poor performance). they just added more performance sucking features like the winmo 6.5, new applications/customization and 8,1 camera and kept the same slow driverless QC7200 528mhz chipset] just to guarantee that it will lag even more than the X1. after seeing the HD2 performance and comparing it to every "fast" 6.5 rom on the x1. it becomes evident that anything less than snapdragon is just not worth it anymore on highh-end phones
and then there is the problem of ~700euro price. please SE spare us your crap. the omnia pro has been available for several months now and it has better specs (AMOLED 3.5 screen,800MHZ, compass, samsung build quality (not the unproven mobinovva quality) and its less than 400euros
and dont even get me started on the lack of XDA-devs support which is probably probably the reason why i haven't regretted buying the X1
if i were you, id just use the X1 untill a suitable replacement like the tpro3 (i dont think SE will ever release the x3 since i dont expect them to do well with the x2). if you cant wait that long just get the hd2 now. i did not miss the HW keyboard with that 4.3" capacitive screen

yea dont go for the x2, its not worth it, or even for the tp2 for that matter. The only thing the new phones really have on the X1 is a bigger screen and accelerometer which to me isnt that big a deal. Not worth another 300- 500$ for a slightly upgraded device anyway...
I doubt that you will see any significant performance gains with any of the new WM devices from SE or HTC using the same MSM7200 ****. I plan on hanging onto my x1 another 5 months or so (or at least until the housing completely breaks) hoping something better rolls along, or I can get my hands on an X10.

1. who care when they can be ported to x1
2. what does this have to do with rom devolopment of xperia. if u wana post it, atleast do it in the right section....either xperia genereal or off-topic
cheers

I say this should be moved to xperia general subforum

Well, seems like they've had issues with all the newly released phones lately (as in Satio and Aino), so not surprising they'd have issues with X2.

their half hearted [email protected] entering the windows mobile market have failed miserably in my opinion. the X1 and x2 were delayed because of software (that no one really care about). almost all cooked roms have tf3d and most roms dont have any of SE unpracticle crap like the useless panels and the very untouch friendly interface.
i think sony may have a chance of not failing if they change the hardware to snapdragon but thats very unlikely because SE are simply not capable of doing such task at such short notice. i dont see the point of releasing x2 with the slow CPU even if they reduce the cost there is just not enough interest.

ipporek said:
Well, seems like they've had issues with all the newly released phones lately (as in Satio and Aino), so not surprising they'd have issues with X2.
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Played with Satio at the mall today, it was not up to my expectation.

looks like sony ericssons gonna lose a lot
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_aino_pulled_out_from_uk_stores_just_after_satio-news-1286.php

matthewpapa said:
yea dont go for the x2, its not worth it, or even for the tp2 for that matter. The only thing the new phones really have on the X1 is a bigger screen and accelerometer which to me isnt that big a deal. Not worth another 300- 500$ for a slightly upgraded device anyway...
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I disagree
May I ask: currently, which windows phone has the better camera of all ??
To me, and considering Rhodium's toyish 3.1 MegaPix camera, Diamond2/Topaz's bring-your-flishlite 5 MegaPix camera, and HD2's "viagra effect" 5 MegaPix camera, the X2's 8 megapixels camera alone is reason enough to upgrade from X1 to X2
Just my oppinons after 2 weeks using the X2 camera for a daily basis (my cybrshot is busy accumulating dust in my room)
PS: THIS FORUM NEEDS ACTIVE MODS. THIS THREAD SHOULD BE MOVED TO THE GENERAL SUB.
HEY WE DESERVE MODS TOO HERE @ HTC'S BASTARD SIBLING (kovsky) FORUMS !!

i will definitely buy the X2 if it is available now in local market ... and for lower price

Hd2 is a wonderfull phones, but have too many isuues, no tv-out, non videocall, really bad camera, price too hight, and ...its too big.. Xperia x2 have no one of this problems.. i will go for x2 if this one day will come..

sonyxperia2 said:
Hd2 is a wonderfull phones, but have too many isuues, no tv-out, non videocall, really bad camera, price too hight, and ...its too big.. Xperia x2 have no one of this problems.. i will go for x2 if this one day will come..
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i agree
for me as X1 user the X2 is an must-have.....
here my points why i want to have it:
1. CPU seems to have full power now and not throttled to 400MHz
2. camera (i would bet its the module from C905 so i expect great quality)
3. 3.2" display is absolute perfect size (big enough to use finger and not too big so i can reach the whole screen with one hand and thumb)
4. no dust-collecting edge on display
5. best battery lifetime of all WM devices like X1 before (with TP2 together strongest battery but smaller display)
6. stereo speaker with hopefully great sound quality (some people compared it with W995, Nokia 5800 ams Samsung i8910 (i also own the nokia and the samsung)
7. a much better keyboard than the X1 (but X1 keyboard was already very good for me)
8. Amazing, smooth animated tilewave panel i tested on my X1
9. panels are very useful for me (on the road, tilewave, WM Homescreen, SPB Mobile shell, Facebook i use very often) and damned fast now also on X1
10. the great continous support with 48h repair warranty
that are 10 reasons to by the X2 for me and these reasons are worth the 510€ in switzerland for me........
and to the "slow" CPU:
what do you expect from snapdragon???? only that start menu scrolling is smoother than with MSM7200????? damned guys think about it!!!! the only reason for snapdragon would be to play high res 3D games with iPhone graphics...... but when do you think such games will come????? the game developers have to spend more ressources in game developement like xtract which works perfectly with the 7200 hardware...... or what would you say if you have to buy a PC with a 1000€ CPU to play a game on PC doesn't support hardware accelleration????? and for alle other usages the X1 was already fast enough and if you use the Touch HD video converter from the Blackstone thread you can also watch 800x480 videos smooth on X1!!!!!
and a last thing:
the X2 is the inly actual device with this complete hardware bundle and qwerty keyboard and with SE quality on the market....... and these Omnia Pro ****???? i have the first omnia and its slower and more laggy than my 5800 nokia crap and the omnia 2????? i read some test reports and it is the same **** like the one before...... Samsung is too silly to make good wirking and useful software for its devices and SE does this much better almost on the 2nd run!!!!!
EDIT: ah sry for my bad english i'm from germany ;-)

I agree completely with Jerpelea and others who like the X2. I was thinking of going in for an HTC HD2 but am now not so sure. I need a keyboard and a good camera and enough real estate to read ebooks and browse the web comfortably. It seems the X2 will be able to do all these things well. As for Snapdragon, many reviews of the HTC HD2 have complained about the "lagging" and the terrible battery life. I guess it all boils down to what you want a device for.

in Italian shops x2 will arrive 7 december

sonyxperia2 said:
in Italian shops x2 will arrive 7 december
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hmm i talked to SE X2 support one our ago and they said the X2 is shipped to german sellers since middle of last week......
expansys switzerland and germany sais the date is today...... hmm pressing both thumbs.....