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Tytn II at The CLoud WIFI Hotspots in the UK

Hi All
My faithfull Trtn II works well at most hotspots, but I can't seem to connect to "The Cloud" hotspots in the UK. Has anyone manged to get thier Tytn to connect?
Ian

to connect to the cloud you will need to be a o2 customer with the wifi bolt on or a btcusomer or on of the others shown on the home page.
turn on wifi then go to a web site say google this will then bring up the cloud page.if you are a o2 customer with wifi then all u need to do is tap in your number.

o2xdaexec said:
to connect to the cloud you will need to be a o2 customer with the wifi bolt on or a btcusomer or on of the others shown on the home page.
turn on wifi then go to a web site say google this will then bring up the cloud page.if you are a o2 customer with wifi then all u need to do is tap in your number.
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Yes, I'm a BT Customer, but I can't hold the WIFI connection long enough to connect. It simply drops out. I have tried increasing the Power Mode to best performance, but it still drops out.
I don't have any problems at BTOpenzone or T-Mobile sites.
Ian

i work at wetherspoons and we have cloud and i connect without a problem with my vario 3
by the way wetherspoons unlimited wifi password is
user:SPONSORED
password:SERVICE
all caps i think dunno if it works at other cloud places but should be nationwide for spoons

Dial up Modem for Tilt 8925

Greetings everyone,
Is it possible to use the Tilt 8925 as a dial-up modem?
I've try the search function, but could not find anything.
I would like to connect my laptop to the phone and use it as a dial up modem. I was able to do that with my Nokia N70....and that phone is 4 years old. I would be surprise if a more advance phone (Tilt 8925) was unable to perform the said function.
Thanks

Yes you can use it as a modem, you can also connect it to your laptop using "Internet Sharing" Which I think is the better method, I get 1700kbps with it.

Thongvilay said:
Yes you can use it as a modem, you can also connect it to your laptop using "Internet Sharing" Which I think is the better method, I get 1700kbps with it.
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What are your settings?
I've tried USB and Bluetooth PAn as the "PC connection"
and My Connection 1 as the "Network Connection".
I clicked on the "connect button" in the internet sharing and nothing is happening.
It's dialing the dial up number using Celluar line. But it's not connecting at all. I get " Cannot Connect" widow with the following: The remote party has ended this connection.
Thanks

Install ICS if you have a tilt.. There is a cab floating around for it that is easy to use. Once it is in, it'll show up as a network connection in Winblows and work for bluetooth PAN.

According to what he said just above he already has it. I guess the connection settings must be wrong though. If you connect your "my connection 1" with the phone, can you get internet access on the phone itself?

I had the exact same problem, with ICS saying that the connection was denied by a third party. More specifically it was WMWifirouter trying to use ICS to bind my data connection to my wificard to create a wireless hot spot out of my phone (which is the coolest program I have ever used on my tilt).
Anyway, I fixed it by opening ICS and changing the Network Connection. I have ATT and they use 2 different connections. One is if you paid for tethering (AT&T ISP GPRS), the other is your data connection (MEdia Net). I am not 100% sure if this is the case, but it is my best guess.
I changed it from ATT ISP to MEdia Net, and it started working, because I presume, due to the fact that I do not have tethering on my data plan.
I am not sure if the carrier can detect I made this change, and somehow know to charge me the extra tethering charge. As far as they know I do not even have access to the ICS application..so we'll see.
So look in your ICS and see if your carrier uses more than one connection.

kilrah said:
According to what he said just above he already has it. I guess the connection settings must be wrong though. If you connect your "my connection 1" with the phone, can you get internet access on the phone itself?
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I dont have internet connection on the phone itself. I dont have any data plan. My provider is T-Mobile. Am I required to purchase the data plan before I can use the dial-up internet/ share internet feature?
I know on my NOkia N70 all I had was the basic wireless plan (39.99 from T-mobile) and was able to connect using dial up. I would connect my Nokia N70 to my laptop via USB or Bluetooth. Click the dial-up icon on my laptop. It would dial my local ISP provider...and connect.

khaytsus said:
Install ICS if you have a tilt.. There is a cab floating around for it that is easy to use. Once it is in, it'll show up as a network connection in Winblows and work for bluetooth PAN.
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I have this install...but still is not working.
Thanks for the input.
I think my setting are off.....but do not know how to correct it.

OK, it seems you actually want to do it the "old way" and have the phone dial a phone number to connect like a 56k modem... but in 9.6k here through GSM
There are 2 ways to do this, one where the phone has the connection and shares it with ICS (create a new connection on the phone, through cellular line, add number) which seems to be what you tried first and as I said would allow you to have the net on the phone itself too, which is why I was asking if that was working in the first place before going into the sharing thing.
Or, the second which must be more like what you had with the Nokia, where the phone is just a modem and all connection settings are on the PC. As you're having trouble with the first one, lets try the second one:
If you want your modem to work via the USB cable:
Settings -> Connections -> wireless modem, select USB, menu-> APN setting -> remove the tick ->done -> menu -> start.
THEN plug the USB port, the PC should find a serial port to which a modem is attached.
Or via Bluetooth:
Just pair your phone to the PC via BT, then on the PC go and browse the services on the phone where you should find "dial-up networking". Now it depends on your PC's BT stack, but on mine I would double-click on that, which would firstly install a bluetooth modem, then open a dialog where I can enter the phone number to dial. I'd then have a usual modem connection in the PC's control panel->connections folder.
But with that you won't be able to take advantage of the new ways to transfer data over the network and their incredibly higher speeds. Granted you won't need a data plan and will just pay like a regular call, but you'll be having a very slow connection. Which is why barely anybody ever uses that anymore and we didn't get it.
To take advantage of EDGE, 3G, HSDPA, you need a real packet data connection instead of a call, which in turn requires either a data plan or that you pay just the standard volume price for data.

um you all are making this a one big issue....no offense...wmwifirouter and a bluetooth dongle for your pc...nuff said

Edited previous post with what I had forgotten.

t-mobile internet sharing
i have a problem using my tilt as a modem as well, I also don't have a data plan, i use T-Mobile's 5.99 plan, can i use internet sharing with this plan? if so what do i need to do? thanks

Ok, for one I think you have to have a data plan for it to work, otherwise you will wind up with serious data charges ( in excess of 3-500 $ have been reported )
Back in the day you could use the voice side and dial out to aol or the likes, but im sure that cant be done anymore. ( I hope this isnt what youre asking about )
There are other alternatives to ICS built into the phone. Using bluetooth you can "tether" the computer to the phone and dial an access string. this is done by using a generic bluetooth serial port for data communications. Basically once your phone is paired, you should be able to go to the computer and set up a new connection using the serial port that was created when you paired. Then you will need the phone number, user name , and password for your provider. For ATT, I know you can still use "[email protected]" for the user name and "CINGULAR1" for the password. The APN ( or dial string) can be a few different things. Ive used apn.cingular.com on my WM phones as the phone number to dial, and also *99# as the number to dial. If you research your cellular carrier you will find the dial strings, user names, and passwords for them through google.
JUST REMEMBER THIS IS DATA INTENSIVE!!!!!!!
I hope this info helps a tad.
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Just found this. Looks helpful for T-Mobile
http://wiki.howardforums.com/index.php/GSM_tethering_with_Windows_XP

pyraxiate said:
Ok, for one I think you have to have a data plan for it to work, otherwise you will wind up with serious data charges ( in excess of 3-500 $ have been reported )
Back in the day you could use the voice side and dial out to aol or the likes, but im sure that cant be done anymore. ( I hope this isnt what youre asking about )
There are other alternatives to ICS built into the phone. Using bluetooth you can "tether" the computer to the phone and dial an access string. this is done by using a generic bluetooth serial port for data communications. Basically once your phone is paired, you should be able to go to the computer and set up a new connection using the serial port that was created when you paired. Then you will need the phone number, user name , and password for your provider. For ATT, I know you can still use "[email protected]" for the user name and "CINGULAR1" for the password. The APN ( or dial string) can be a few different things. Ive used apn.cingular.com on my WM phones as the phone number to dial, and also *99# as the number to dial. If you research your cellular carrier you will find the dial strings, user names, and passwords for them through google.
JUST REMEMBER THIS IS DATA INTENSIVE!!!!!!!
I hope this info helps a tad.
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Just found this. Looks helpful for T-Mobile
http://wiki.howardforums.com/index.php/GSM_tethering_with_Windows_XP[/QUO
i am still a little confused, i dont think t-mobile works the same way At&t does it does not charge by data use, i just want to know if it will work with the 5.99 plan, if there is a way to manipulate the phone the same way i use a proxy setting to connect to the internet?
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ljinsane said:
um you all are making this a one big issue....no offense...wmwifirouter and a bluetooth dongle for your pc...nuff said
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This reply is just not contributing in any way! Why not just help others out? This reply shows that you have no idea at all of the goal of this question!

GSM only

Hi, I was wondering if there was a way to make the kaiser only use gsm? I just want to use wifi for the internet connection and not have it try to connect to gprs or 3g or edge or anything, but I want to be able to send sms (text messages) still. is there a way? thank you.

yeah if you remove the grps settings in settings->connections-connections
called my isp or something like that or the name of your isp
then the device cant use phone data network and will not try to

will it still be able to send txt messages?

yes phones could send sms's long before there was anything called gprs which is what gsm internet is called

TyTnII - as (analogue) dial up modem? --**The final thread!?**--

Dear all,
After reading lots of threads on configuring the TyTnII as a USB-modem, things are still clear (at all...). Let's make this one the definitive "TyTnII USB-modem-thread". Is there anyone who knows if it is possible to use the TyTnII as a traditional dial-up modem given the following:
- PDA: TyTnII - WM6.1
connected via USB to:
- Computer: Microsoft Windows XP
Use:
- Windows internet explorer, on the laptop, connects to the internet using the PDA as a (usb) dial-up modem.
For those who want to know what the meaning is of all this: My laptopn, connected to my pda could be used for calling into a on-site modem, connected to a technical installation. So the "internet service provider's telephone number" is actually the number of this modem. Once a connection between the modem and my laptop (via PDA) had been established, I can have all the readings of the installation by using internet explorer. So basically, it's the same type of application as a dial-up internet connection.
What I am NOT looking for:
- Jet another explanation that the "modem" connection in WM5 has been replaced by"shared internet" in WM6. I am NOT using the phone its WiFi. I want the phone to act as a traditional analogue modem, calling an internet provider.
Before giving any comment without contributing to the solution: Rest assured, I've read them all & I'm not interested in non-contributing content!
Kind regards,
Gert Beckers
Belgium.

not really
What you want is possible but you're probably not going to find a carrier that will allow you to do it. You would need a feature on your wireless plan allowing circuit switched data, which to my knowledge hasn't really been offered for several years. Good luck

o.k.
o.k., another "is possible".
Does anyone actually know how to do this?

GertBeckers said:
o.k., another "is possible".
Does anyone actually know how to do this?
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Hi, I have had some limited sucess with this....
I included 'MODEMLINK' in my ROM as well as 'Internet Sharing'. Internet Sharing has always worked for me, however it only allows Internet access - i.e. the phone establishes a HSDPA/3G/GPRS connection to an APN on your carriers network, it then acts as a DHCP server and DNS Proxy as well as a NAT device. If you are using XP (and Vista?) then a new device automatically gets installed - 'Internet Sharing Device' and you can access the Internet over this connection. Apologies for repeating this but it's important to understand the differences.
I also integrated 'MODEMLINK' into my ROM. When this is activated a new, unknown device gets detected by XP. If you download and extract the 'HTC USB Modem' drivers and point XP to these when it asks a new COM Port and Modem gets installed - I have COM 4 and attached to this is a 'HTC USB Modem'. I can then open up Hyperterminal and configure it to talk to COM 4 directly. From here I can issue 'AT' commands to control the modem:
Code:
OK
ati
Microsoft Corporation AT Command Interpreter Settings...
E1 L0 M0 Q0 V1 X4 &C1 &D2
S00=000 S01=000 S02=043 S03=013 S04=010
S05=008 S06=002 S07=060 S08=002 S10=014
S12=050
OK
If I attempt to dial an analogue line (i.e. my home phone) using the AT string 'ATDT0123456789' it looks like it connects and then disconnects a second or so later:
Code:
atdt0123456789
CONNECT
NO CARRIER
However the phone doesn't ring. If I attempt to dial one of the Free ISP dialup numbers I do get a connection but I think it is because the call gets switched to an ISDN Primary Rate line at the ISP (not an analogue line like I have at home). I thought this might be the configuration of the 'CSD line type' in Connection Settings, but I have tried all combinations and I still can't get it to ring my home phone.
A few years ago I had a HP iPAQ 6300 with Windows Mobile 2003 and this allowed me to do dialup to analogue modems so it should be possible. It may be some AT command switches that need to be applied, however I gave up as I don't really use it. Have a search for 'HTC USB Modem AT commands' and see if anything turns up?
Andy

I thought I would just have another look at this and have now managed to get it to ring my home phone and when I answered I could hear the modem tones )
This is what I did.
1. I have BlackBerry Connect installed so I suspended this to start with as I could see the APN connection disconnecting and connecting a few times as I was playing around.
2. In Connection Settings I set the CSD Line Type to Data rate 9600 bps(v.32) and Connection element: Transparent
3. I then activated Modem Link with the Connection set to USB.
4. HTC USB Modem was already installed so I opened Hyperterminal and set it to talk directly to COM4 at 9600, 8-data bits, 1-stop bits, no parity and no flow-control.
5. Typed the AT command to dial my home phone (ATDT0123456789) which rang my phone. I haven't got a modem attached but I could hear the modem attempting to handshake.
6. I then dialed one of the free UK ISPs and got this:
Code:
atdt08447110494
CONNECT
*** WARNING *** WARNING *** WARNING *** WARNING ***
This computer system belongs to KCOM Group PLC.
It may be accessed and used only for official company business by
authorised personnel. If you are not explicitly authorised to access
this system disconnect now. Unauthorised access or use of this
computer system may subject violators to criminal, civil, and / or
disciplinary action.
You should have no explicit or implicit expectation of privacy. All
information on this computer system may be intercepted, monitored,
recorded, processed, audited, inspected, copied, and disclosed by and
to authorised personnel for official purposes including criminal
investigations.
Access or use of this computer system by any person whether
authorised or unauthorised constitutes consent to these terms.
*** WARNING *** WARNING *** WARNING *** WARNING ***
User Access Verification
Username:
I think the CSD Line Type is important - I assume either V32 or V34 will work as these are modem standards. V110 & V120 are ISDN standards so I don't think will work. The Connection element I assume also must be set to 'Transparent'. I also think my BlackBerry Connect software was conflicting so this is why I suspended it.
HTH
Andy

It looks like there's good progress being made on this one then
OK, just some theory for my 2p's worth...
I'm not sure wireless plans should pose too much of an issue, I know things might be different in Belgium but here in the UK I don't know of too many drastic issues using 'analogue' modems over GSM. Of course all digital cellular traffic is exactly that, but in a voice call there's A/D and D/A at each end - for the simple fact that when I call my mum, I say "Hello, Mum!" and not 1100110101011100110111101110111110010111 (I know I'm being daft, but you see my point). The element of CSD not being available on service plans would I guess only come into play if you wanted your cellular provider to be your access layer to a network, namely the internet - in that way your GSM device would use a WAP access number to 'dial modem(s)' at your cellular provider and connect it to the internet via their (computer) network. That of course is what's largely unavailable with cellular telcos these days, as of course GPRS and UMTS connectivity have replaced that.
What you're actually trying to achieve though is simply a point-to-point 'analogue' call. Picture this - you have two human beings, who happen to have the amazing talent of being able to speak 'faxish' - If person A dials person B's number and screeches down the phone, so long as person B can hear the screeching and is able to screech back down the line, there's no reason the two can't negotiate and use an 'analogue' modem (/fax) connection.
In simple terms the problem with CSD not being available leads to the remote device (your modem/handset etc) dialling a number to negotiate a connection with an 'analogue' modem which simply isn't there anymore. Of course that problem isn't evident in this scenario though - your plan isn't for the cellular provider to give you access to a data network, you simply want to use them as transport between your modem and a similar device elsewhere - both completely accessible by a 'voice' number.
So, so long as you can make voice calls on your cellular plan, there is no real reason for your cellular service to bring your plan to an abrupt end.
This is all backed up by the fact that the TAM company I'm a field engineer for uses GSM modems in some of its communication. In some situations we have a GSM device which is for all intents and purposes a GSM phone with 'automatic answer' enabled, with an 'analogue' modem on its mic and speaker (it's not exactly that in electrical terms - but that's a fair description of what happens in effect). We dial into its voice number from a modem in the office and we have a data connection for our own proprietary data-link. In other equipment, the same thing happens in reverse - we have a GSM communications box containing a modem that, each night, automatically dials out from a GSM device to what is essentially a voice number with a modem sat at the end waiting to negotiate a similar connection.
There are no special service plans involved - they use standard SIM cards with standard packages - the only special deal in our case is that the 'outbound dialling' remote devices are prevented from dialling any number other than our modem lines, but this is done by our request to the provider(s) - we have Vodafone and Orange SIMs in use in this way, but I've no reason to expect any other provider wouldn't be able to deliver the same.
So, it all comes down to the device itself - back in the WM2003 and WM5 days 'tethered internet' seemed simply to be the provision of a modem, and it was just the choice of specific modem commands that caused it to route to an active GPRS/UMTS session - via a virtual (my term, not HTCs) dial-up connection.
This is all just theory to help back up the HyperTerminal examples above. I can't help wondering what would happen if you just set-up a standard dial-up modem connection from within XP using the HTC USB modem as the selected device, dialling (for example) 0845 665 3000 - which is an 'open' dial-up number from http://www.adial.co.uk/ - I can't help thinking that you'd get a PPP TCP/IP connection without any headaches. If that's the case there's no reason you couldn't use the same method to dial any modem to negotiate a similar connection, or indeed HyperTerminal to do anything less 'standard'...
Regards,
Rob.

Unlocked Fuze wont connect to data

I have researched the site and have not found a answer for my situation.
I have an unlocked Fuze and a international sim chip from telestial with prepaid data.
http://www.telestial.com/view_product.php?PRODUCT_ID=MSIM-PPP2
The phone works fine, but I have a strange problem with the GPRS connection
When I manual connect to the GPRS, the sim connects to the pre-paid network. However, when I launch IE, Opera or any other data program, the sim disconnects and the program searches for a the pre install MEdia Net connection (which it obviously cant find) before disconnecting me and giving me the staple, "cant connect to network message".
I was told by telestial that HTC phones are sometimes "data locked".
Anyone have any ideas? I think I just need to change the connection being forced by the individual programs.