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what is cid-unlocking

Hey guys
I just dont understand what cid/sim unlocking is. Is all the phones locked and why do we need to unlock it . I am planning to upgrade my k-jam currently running wm 5.0 to wm 6.0, so should i unlock my phone and also how do we know the phone is locked or not.
can we downgrade to older rom once updated to newer rom.
plz help i am confused...

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chaksashi said:
Hey guys
I just dont understand what cid/sim unlocking is. Is all the phones locked and why do we need to unlock it . I am planning to upgrade my k-jam currently running wm 5.0 to wm 6.0, so should i unlock my phone and also how do we know the phone is locked or not.
can we downgrade to older rom once updated to newer rom.
plz help i am confused...
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If you got your phone from a carrier i.e. with a contract it is most likely locked to that carrier.
SIM lock means that you can only use SIM cards from the carrier you are locked to. If you SIM unlock your phone you will be able to use sim cards from other carriers or pay as you go plans without receiving the invalid sim message.
CID Lock means that your phones software is locked to your carrier. This means that you can only flash updates from that carrier. No custom flashing, no cross carrier flashing. Before you flash anything from this forum you will most likely need to be CID unlocked. Read the stickies to find out how to do this. Make sure you follow all the steps. The process works.
If you have not personally CID unlocked your device you must assume you ARE CID LOCKED. Even if someone before you unlocked your device it will not hurt to do it again. If you have any problems flashing your device this is the first question back that you will get when you ask for help.

god dammit. there is a wiki and nooooooo one reads it.
MODS, PLEASE ENVOKE A TRIAL PERIOD BEFORE 1ST POST.

Zzan said:
If you got your phone from a carrier i.e. with a contract it is most likely locked to that carrier.
SIM lock means that you can only use SIM cards from the carrier you are locked to. If you SIM unlock your phone you will be able to use sim cards from other carriers or pay as you go plans without receiving the invalid sim message.
CID Lock means that your phones software is locked to your carrier. This means that you can only flash updates from that carrier. No custom flashing, no cross carrier flashing. Before you flash anything from this forum you will most likely need to be CID unlocked. Read the stickies to find out how to do this. Make sure you follow all the steps. The process works.
If you have not personally CID unlocked your device you must assume you ARE CID LOCKED. Even if someone before you unlocked your device it will not hurt to do it again. If you have any problems flashing your device this is the first question back that you will get when you ask for help.
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Great advice and gently put....!
Asking questions is ok but do your research 1st! 90% of what you need to know has already been discussed, so the answers are here. If you don't find an answer, by all means ask...it is a forum.

hiimcliff said:
god dammit. there is a wiki and nooooooo one reads it.
MODS, PLEASE ENVOKE A TRIAL PERIOD BEFORE 1ST POST.
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I'm an experienced user and I never once thought to read the Wiki until I needed some quick answers so understand first time users. This is a forum

Zzan said:
If you got your phone from a carrier i.e. with a contract it is most likely locked to that carrier.
SIM lock means that you can only use SIM cards from the carrier you are locked to. If you SIM unlock your phone you will be able to use sim cards from other carriers or pay as you go plans without receiving the invalid sim message.
CID Lock means that your phones software is locked to your carrier. This means that you can only flash updates from that carrier. No custom flashing, no cross carrier flashing. Before you flash anything from this forum you will most likely need to be CID unlocked. Read the stickies to find out how to do this. Make sure you follow all the steps. The process works.
If you have not personally CID unlocked your device you must assume you ARE CID LOCKED. Even if someone before you unlocked your device it will not hurt to do it again. If you have any problems flashing your device this is the first question back that you will get when you ask for help.
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thanks for your help Zzan now i have understood the CID unlocking stuff

Cid Locked or Not ?

Hello :
My frind wizard is ipl /spl 2.16 ( no more numbers)
Its a g3 ?
Do i need to cid unlock to go to wm6 ?
Wich version of wm6 do you all recomend »?
Thnks a Lot

If you read the wiki you will know that your friend have a G3 device. and you can flash wm6 rom wether you have CID unlock or lock but we recommend you unlock it..

Thnks ! But how can i see if it is unlocked or locked ?
What is the rom with wm6 that you recomend ?
Thnks

The easiest way to say whether your device is locked or unlocked is by sticking in a SIM-card from a provider that did not come with your device.
If it accepts it, and you are able to make a call your friend's device is unlocked, if it says something similar to unrecognized SIMcard or please insert a different SIM, the device is locked.

but unlocking the CID Unlocked device will not harm your device..
just to make sure..

Ok.
SIM LOCKED is The SAME as CID LOCKED ?
Thnks a lot

no!..
its different..

sjolmers said:
The easiest way to say whether your device is locked or unlocked is by sticking in a SIM-card from a provider that did not come with your device.
If it accepts it, and you are able to make a call your friend's device is unlocked, if it says something similar to unrecognized SIMcard or please insert a different SIM, the device is locked.
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This just tests if your phone is SIM unlocked... doesn't prove that it's CID unlocked.
AFAIK, the only sure fire way to test if your phone is CID unlocked is to flash it with a different ROM that has ipl/spl. If you decide to do so though, I'd just recommend going through the g3 unlock procedure and know that it will be unlocked for sure.
Regarding which WM6 is recommended, just do a search or skim through the first few pages of threads... There have already been several polls regarding this. There is no "best" one... it all depends on what you are looking for. To start you off, some popular ones are: Most Beautiful Edition, PDAViet3, PDAViet4, Underground Edition and Orwell...

the best to do is not to check if you're a CID LOCK or UNLOCK..
just UNLOCK it even if its LOCK or UNLOCK..
atleast if you did.. you're so sure that now its unlock..

Thnks,
I will do.

Tsuioku said:
This just tests if your phone is SIM unlocked... doesn't prove that it's CID unlocked.
AFAIK, the only sure fire way to test if your phone is CID unlocked is to flash it with a different ROM that has ipl/spl. If you decide to do so though, I'd just recommend going through the g3 unlock procedure and know that it will be unlocked for sure.
Regarding which WM6 is recommended, just do a search or skim through the first few pages of threads... There have already been several polls regarding this. There is no "best" one... it all depends on what you are looking for. To start you off, some popular ones are: Most Beautiful Edition, PDAViet3, PDAViet4, Underground Edition and Orwell...
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Simple way to check CID is the type2 command in mtty
[I am currently @work, so I can't give the exact command]
If it returns SuperCID it means it's unlocked

Possible to CID "LOCK" Wizard?

Hey,
I was wondering if it was possible to undo the changes I made in Lokiwiz and actually "lock" my phone. I have never SIM unlocked it.
Thanks!

hpspec said:
Hey,
I was wondering if it was possible to undo the changes I made in Lokiwiz and actually "lock" my phone. I have never SIM unlocked it.
Thanks!
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Ya run the same tool again and select lock, not unlock!!!

can the CID-unlock also be relocked?
Hello,
I understand the fact that you can put the SIM-lock back again. But is there any posibility that also a CID-unlock can be locked again? My wizzard resets sometimes by himself so I have to send it for repair so now I need to know if I can put a CID-lock back on. Does anyone have an idea?
Tim

The answer is in the second post in this thread, right above yours.

when you CID unlock or SIM unlock your device, you're asked to backup your original lock files.Try to run Lokiwiiz again and restore your backup files.

Please help a noob - never upgraded a ROM before

Hi People
I am new to upgrading. Before I get the business of "you have not read the posts" I have read the posts. That's why I am writing here. The more I read, the more contradicting it is. I have the following:
T-Mobile MDA Unlocked SIM
IPL/SPL 2.26.0001
GSM 02.25.11
OS 2.26.10.2
I know this is a G4, but I have read that you can flash a ROM to an locked CID, but other areas say you cannot. I also have seen many different guides to flash, but some say the CID have to be unlocked others don't. I also have not seen whether the original ROM is saved in case you want or need to put it back. I have also read that you may have to input the GSM settings (I use Rogers in Canada). I bought this unit on eBay unlocked and all I had to do was put in my SIM card and it worked. Will the same happen if I upgrade the ROM? I find after reading so many threads it seems so confusing and was hoping someone here could help me out as you all seem to love flashing ROMs.
Thanks so much in advance,
Mike
Read some more and took a chance and it worked

Miker2006 said:
Hi People
I am new to upgrading. Before I get the business of "you have not read the posts" I have read the posts. That's why I am writing here. The more I read, the more contradicting it is. I have the following:
T-Mobile MDA Unlocked SIM
IPL/SPL 2.26.0001
GSM 02.25.11
OS 2.26.10.2
I know this is a G4, but I have read that you can flash a ROM to an locked CID, but other areas say you cannot. I also have seen many different guides to flash, but some say the CID have to be unlocked others don't. I also have not seen whether the original ROM is saved in case you want or need to put it back. I have also read that you may have to input the GSM settings (I use Rogers in Canada). I bought this unit on eBay unlocked and all I had to do was put in my SIM card and it worked. Will the same happen if I upgrade the ROM? I find after reading so many threads it seems so confusing and was hoping someone here could help me out as you all seem to love flashing ROMs.
Thanks so much in advance,
Mike
Read some more and took a chance and it worked
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hi,
ok,now let me try to explain in plain words,
1. U cannot for sure upgrade to a newer rom untill u r CID unlocked, now as u say u got ur wizzard from ebay.now it must have come with a pre-installed OS,plz check from which carrier it is from.If its Cid locked than it can only be upgraded with that official rom from which it came pre-installed with. But if u want to upgrade to some other wm6 cooked rom than u'll have to get it Cid unlocked.
now to upgrade,do the following:-
a)If u want to upgrade with official rom from which it came preinstalled,than visit the official site and download the official rom for ur exact device and upgrade without any Cid unlocking process ,its fairly self explanatory,how to upgrade with official rom as it comes with a self upgrade romutility.
b) if u want to upgrade to any other wm6 cooked rom,than i'am afraid u'll have to CID unlock ur device.As u say u have a G4 device there's a different procedure to Cid unlock it than G3.It's done with a utility tool called SHELLTOOL.search and read how to go about it.First download a tool "WST tool" by Mestrini ,install it and check if ur device is Cid locked or unlocked.If u find it locked than adopt the Cid unlock method through SHELL tool,if its already Cid unlocked than go ahead & flash with any wm6 rom.
As for ur question about sim unlocked,its different being from CID unlock.with sim unlocked u can put any carrier sim and use ur device.But with Cid unlock u can upgrade to any rom u desire.
Well, once SIM/CID unlocked it remains unlocked forever,unless u personelly don't lock SIM/CID.
Well,I believe if it came SIM unlocked, than it might be CID unlocked also.cuz all the carriers never give Sim unlocked.but than there might be some exceptions.therefore u must get it confirmed before any upgrade.
Hope I was able to clear some of ur doubts.goodluck

zabardast_1 said:
hi,
ok,now let me try to explain in plain words,
1. U cannot for sure upgrade to a newer rom untill u r CID unlocked, now as u say u got ur wizzard from ebay.now it must have come with a pre-installed OS,plz check from which carrier it is from.If its Cid locked than it can only be upgraded with that official rom from which it came pre-installed with. But if u want to upgrade to some other wm6 cooked rom than u'll have to get it Cid unlocked.
now to upgrade,do the following:-
a)If u want to upgrade with official rom from which it came preinstalled,than visit the official site and download the official rom for ur exact device and upgrade without any Cid unlocking process ,its fairly self explanatory,how to upgrade with official rom as it comes with a self upgrade romutility.
b) if u want to upgrade to any other wm6 cooked rom,than i'am afraid u'll have to CID unlock ur device.As u say u have a G4 device there's a different procedure to Cid unlock it than G3.It's done with a utility tool called SHELLTOOL.search and read how to go about it.First download a tool "WST tool" by Mestrini ,install it and check if ur device is Cid locked or unlocked.If u find it locked than adopt the Cid unlock method through SHELL tool,if its already Cid unlocked than go ahead & flash with any wm6 rom.
As for ur question about sim unlocked,its different being from CID unlock.with sim unlocked u can put any carrier sim and use ur device.But with Cid unlock u can upgrade to any rom u desire.
Well, once SIM/CID unlocked it remains unlocked forever,unless u personelly don't lock SIM/CID.
Well,I believe if it came SIM unlocked, than it might be CID unlocked also.cuz all the carriers never give Sim unlocked.but than there might be some exceptions.therefore u must get it confirmed before any upgrade.
Hope I was able to clear some of ur doubts.goodluck
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@zabardast_1 dude..
@Miker2006
Upgrading won't affect your Sim unlock status, it's permanent.
You don't NEED to CID unlock your phone to upgrade:
You can use Soft SPL to make the phone temporary think it's CID unlocked (while flashing).
Or you can semi-permanent let the phone think it's CID unlocked by Hard SPL.
This SPL will mimic a CID unlocked state, so you can flash all kinds of ROMs to your device.
BTW ShellTool WON'T cid unlock your device, Hard SPL is the closest you get to a Free CID unlock.
Best regards,
EquinoXe
PS. Read the stickies before Flashing, don't turn your wizard into a brick.

Actually it is a good show case that reading helps .. one day after his post Miker2006 did ..
Miker2006 said:
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Read some more and took a chance and it worked
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Sanity Check - Still CID Unlocked?

So I've upgrade my old 8125 successfully - got a new one due to a second USB port coming off main board. This new one is a slightly newer model - T2. Anywho - Was running Lokiwiz to CID and SIM unlock. Successfulyl Sim unlocked - also THOUGHT i successfully CID unlocked it (based on the progress of the program - all the way through auto hard reset),
but apparantly I didn't (as confirmed by the MTTY tool telling me I don't have sufficient privelages to create image of rom and an invalid Vendor ID error upon tmobile rom RUU). Also i get the familiar "fat format failure" message at the option screen when hard resetting.
So i can flash the heck out of the device with old and new Cingular roms as well as the TouchFlo and Touch Diamond roms but the only thing that changes after successful flashing is the splash screen and depending on the ROM the IPL/SPL number. The device remains frozen and hangs on the Boot Loader screen.
So in attempt to get this thing up and running i need a sanity check.
Mmy first question is
1) Based on info above would you agree the device is still CID unlocked?
2) Is there (cuz I can't find one) a utility besided IMEI unlock to get into the phone and CID unlock it through the RBG boot loader screen?
3) Since I UNSUCCESSFULLY CID unlocked the device using Lokiwiz in the first place - I still have the output file from Lokiwiz - is there a way that the IMEIUNLOCK progrogram from IMEI UK can read this binary file and unlock the device or do i just need to pony up the 40bucks and CID unlock this.
I can't think of another way to get back to a functioning device.

Additional Thoughts
I also had a thought - which is probably an impossibility - but is there any way if I get the IMEI unlock code from Cingular to somehow get it into the IMEI Unlock software or use some other program like MTTY to insert that code into the phone?
DAMN! - I still don't know how the CID unlock didn't go through the first time. -Maye it was because the rom didn't roll back.

BRoke Down
and purchased IMEI unlock - unlocked just fine. Now I was able to upgrade to the Tmobile rom- INstallation went through without a hitch- now I am stuck on the Tmobile Boot loader- WTF can't I get past the boot loader on any rom I use? This makes no sense. Anyone have any thoughts? IPl and SPL at this point both show 2.26. THis is really pissing me off.

Try using the SD method to create a OS ROM dump and restore it. Some people works with it.