I have a quick question, I know that Cingular is slowly rolling out their 3G network, for their new video service. My question is, is that hard wired into the phone or software driven. meaning, my 8125 has edge built in, when 3G hits my area, can it be enabled by a rom update, Or do you have to buy a phone that is made for 3G? Thanks!
Its a radio device built into the phone, So no you will not be able to use 3g with the wizard.
Sorry
3G is definitely hardware based, so you'll not be able to take advantage of the 3G speed with your Wizard. AFAIK the US 3G system is (surprise surprise!) incompatible with the rest of the world 3G system, so a Universal wouldn't even be able to be used on Cingular. I'm not sure if there is an HTC CDMA (rather than UTMS) based device available yet.
there's plenty of HTC CDMA devices. the 6700 (either sprint or verizon), the Treo 700w, or the craptacular motorola Q. all support eVDO (which apparently is 3G. and honestly, even $45 a month for "faster" internet is extremely ridiculous, i mean do u need the pages to load in a heatbeat? or do you really download songs directly to your phone? the only reason to get it would be if you used services like Orb or slingbox to stream media. i mean, does 3g add any better voice quality? or is it just internet? if its just internet, i'll pass, and i can keep the $45 a month for something else.
i think it's insane that it cost as much for 3g as it does for my cable at home...
From what I read, the reason HTC opened an office in the US is so they can release phones here the same time they're released overseas. We'll see how much bull that is when hermes comes out. (Hermes is basically a 3g UMTS version of the wizard)
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i mean, does 3g add any better voice quality?
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Well, there is video calling, which, although cool is basically just a gimmick at the moment (plus you've got to rely on the other person having a 3G phone also). Sure, 3G technology is cool and all, but until it becomes as affordable as a normal phone contract, then it's not gonna catch on as quick as the networks would like.
thats not adding better voice quality. so i'm gonna take that as a no. and thats a shame.
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thats not adding better voice quality. so i'm gonna take that as a no. and thats a shame.
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Correct, you're still using a GSM voice bearer and GSM codec for voice so regardless of the bandwidth you have you're limited to about 12kbps in a phone call.
That said, the VoIP services such as Skype *in theory* would benefit from the increased bandwidth as they use raw IP to make the call.
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Firstly, let me thank everyone who does all the SUPERB work on this site, developing software, ROMs, and tools that us normal users would otherwise never see...
Here's my problem:
I got a Kaiser with the shipping AT&T ROM on it - I'm in the US.
I wanted to get rid of the bloatware and other crap that AT&T puts on the device, and take it back to an HTC ROM.
The problem is, I can only connect to the EDGE network, and I'm only getting 40-60k transfers - I know that with my Samsung Sync (my previous phone) I was getting 1.3-1.5Mbps using the same site to test (http://text.dslreports.com/mspeed)
Is this a limitation within the HTC ROM? If so, does anyone know if newer HTC ROM's (perhaps even with WM6.1) will fix this problem, or do I HAVE to use an AT&T ROM to access the 3G (HSPDA) network in the US?
Thanks in advance for your time!!!
Do you see the icon 3G and it changes to H once you're accessing the internet? If no, you might want to check if you correctly config the connection.
I myself don't trust http://text.dslreports.com/mspeed when it runs on PIE web browser. I did the benchmark on 2 different types of connection, at&t HSDPA and Verizon FiOS* Wifi, and it comes up nearly the same speed 1.3-1.5Mbps.
*I have 15 Mbps download package.
Yes, it DOES do that (Mr President...lol)
What site do you prefer to test the speed of your 3G connection? I was hoping to use Speedtest.net, but doubt that they support mobile.
So, I guess that you're saying my connection is probably just fine, but that the site is problematic?
Thanks for the quick reply, btw!!
- Mark
I don't pay attention too much on speed. But, there are many ways to confirm that you're connected to 3G network.
If the answer is yes for any question below, then you're 3G.
a. Tethering internet via your PC on "internet sharing" mode and make a call at the same time.
b. Stream any audio broadcast with bitrate above 196Kbps.
Enjoy.
Um, where do you live? Pretty much only the major cities have 3G deployed, and even then, it's no guarantee. I live in Minneapolis where 3G was rolled out last November.
Lidberg said:
Um, where do you live? Pretty much only the major cities have 3G deployed, and even then, it's no guarantee. I live in Minneapolis where 3G was rolled out last November.
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I'm in Pittsburgh - I know for certain that I'm in 3G territory, as I just got the Kaiser a few weeks ago, and before that, was using a Samsung Sync tethered to my laptop, and getting 1.3 - 1.5 MBps....
UPDATE
Must have had a lousy signal where I was trying it before - I tried it again, using the same site, and was getting 500-600k - so I guess it's hitting the 3G network, but for some reason, changing the 3G icon to an H, presumably indicating HSPDA.
All's well...can one of the mod's please lock this thread? Thanks!
- Mark
Unfortunately bad news everyone. For some ungodly reason the Diamond is only showing G! Not even Edge! From what HTC is telling me they are only supporting 3G on the 2xxx Mhz band? That makes no sense whatsoever! I am willing to try things if anyone has a suggestion but so far not good! Which is weird because I previously reviewed the original Triband TYTN and that at least did get 3G on and off but always had Edge.
http://mobilitytoday.com/articles/htc_diamond_first_look.html
I don't know why you're not getting edge, thats a an extension of GPRS which works over GSM.
As for 3G/UMTS, it never said it suported anything but 900/2100. There's nothing you can do, HTC already said that there wasnt enough space in the phone for the extra antenna's required to support more frequencies.
isnt edge on 1900 ?
yup it is! I would be willing to look into the registry to see if there is a tweak? Any of you have an idea?
no idea my guess would be try forcing 1900 ?
beyond that i wouldnt know
try different area ?
Edge in the US in most areas is 850Mhz, which is the reason I held off on my purchase of the Diamond.
hmmm
interesting but i had bought a original touch in india and that works in most places that i go in the states and i recieve edge
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Edge in the US in most areas is 850Mhz, which is the reason I held off on my purchase of the Diamond.
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thats the answer ,,, non us versions of diamond don't operate on 850mhz
so dave did u get an hsdpa signal?
and im sorry u in jersey or nyc?
i forgot
sorry but is there a reg edit where he could force the device to look for 850?
just to see if its hidden..then we can find out if they really left out the radio or not...i really wanted to pick one up ...but if it doesnt have 850 its a no go for me...bummer
No HSDPA signal.. All GPRS!!! 7 hours!!! Call quality completely sucks too..
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No HSDPA signal.. All GPRS!!! 7 hours!!! Call quality completely sucks too..
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that blows sorry dave ....so how r u liking the ui any lag?
BTW dave if anyone has that rom of the diamond that was sent out to reviewers (that had the att bands) would be nice
Mine does show the 850Mhz band but thats not the problem the problem is that this phone ONLY supports 3G at the 900 and 2100mhz band.
The UI is very laggy so far. I am going to use it via Wifi and see if that improves the UI. BUT another weird thing is that I just popped my Tmobile sim in and now get Edge?
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Mine does show the 850Mhz band but thats not the problem the problem is that this phone ONLY supports 3G at the 900 and 2100mhz band.
The UI is very laggy so far. I am going to use it via Wifi and see if that improves the UI. BUT another weird thing is that I just popped my Tmobile sim in and now get Edge?
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Tmobile is 1900 only so their EDGE has to be on 1900.
my HSDPA in australia works like a treat and call quality is awesome!
For those who are interested I just posted my first day video feel free in checking it out..
At the begining of your video you say that while a GPRS connection is up your calls go to voicemail? Thats not normal behaviour:
Class A devices, which some new devices are, can make/receive calls without dropping the GPRS connection. Just to be clear, data can still be sent/received over GPRS while you're talkiing.
Class B devices, which all other devices are (except the first few GPRS devices made), can handle GSM and GPRS at the same time, but will drop the GPRS connection while a call comes in, or you make a call. They then resume the GPRS connection after the GSM channel is not in use.
Class C devices, can only handle GSM or GPRS one at a time, and you have to manually switch which mode you want. Only the first few devices ever made or Modem terminals are Class C.
Are you absolutly sure about that behaviour because its not a defined class for GPRS.
PS. best quality video so far. With that great lighting you can see exactly how the 'diamond' is on the back. I think the fact its brand new and super clean also helps
Also it seems significantly faster than the coolsmartphone review.. I guess the extra RAM makes a huge difference.
Has a date been tossed around yet for a possible US friendly version launch? Or is this just another one of those cool phones we won't get to use over here?
I am in the USA .. no phone with only GPRS or Edge can take a phone call while in a data connection.. Only 3G can do this in the USA..
Thank you very much for your kind comments about my video.. We try very hard to deliver a good review. I will continue posting more videos as I continue to use the Diamond.. So far for me this phone in the USA is a dudd..
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At the begining of your video you say that while a GPRS connection is up your calls go to voicemail? Thats not normal behaviour:
Class A devices, which some new devices are, can make/receive calls without dropping the GPRS connection. Just to be clear, data can still be sent/received over GPRS while you're talkiing.
Class B devices, which all other devices are (except the first few GPRS devices made), can handle GSM and GPRS at the same time, but will drop the GPRS connection while a call comes in, or you make a call. They then resume the GPRS connection after the GSM channel is not in use.
Class C devices, can only handle GSM or GPRS one at a time, and you have to manually switch which mode you want. Only the first few devices ever made or Modem terminals are Class C.
Are you absolutly sure about that behaviour because its not a defined class for GPRS.
PS. best quality video so far. With that great lighting you can see exactly how the 'diamond' is on the back. I think the fact its brand new and super clean also helps
Also it seems significantly faster than the coolsmartphone review.. I guess the extra RAM makes a huge difference.
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I am in the USA .. no phone with only GPRS or Edge can take a phone call while in a data connection.. Only 3G can do this in the USA..
Thank you very much for your kind comments about my video.. We try very hard to deliver a good review. I will continue posting more videos as I continue to use the Diamond.. So far for me this phone in the USA is a dudd..
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well i hate to say it but you should have read up on the specs before you bought it, the phone itself isnt a dud. The DIAM200 will work on 3G 850Mhz in the states and will be released in a few weeks
People are making a big deal about Verizon Iphone not having voice and data at the same time. I thought this was a common issue since I never get voice and data on my nexus one (Tmo) how about you guys? The only phone that gave me voice and data was the G1.
No problems here, but I'm on AT&T. I'm almost always browsing the web or doing something else when I'm talking to the wife...just don't tell her that.
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No problems here, but I'm on AT&T. I'm almost always browsing the web or doing something else when I'm talking to the wife...just don't tell her that.
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LOL what guys doesn't do that. I think it must be T-Mobile they been really unreliable lately in Los Angeles.
I can confirm that I can use data while on a call with US tmobile and yes it does matter (sometimes).
i believe it has something to do with the frequencies in use.
att can do data and voice simultaneously
the girlfriends nokia on tmo can not
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i believe it has something to do with the frequencies in use.
att can do data and voice simultaneously
the girlfriends nokia on tmo can not
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It has nothing to do with the frequency, and every 3G GSM network has the capability to do voice and data at the same time. I assume in your case it's just bad coverage or she's not on 3G.
if you are connected to 3g you can use voice and data at the same time. its been this way for years. if you are on EDGE then you cannot. att and tmobile both are the same in this regard.
3g HSDPA has always been better because of this over verizon and sprint.
I have been looking all over about this. I have the Thunderbolt but not happy with the HTC poor quality phone, and random reboots once in a blue.
So I am thinking in getting the Bionic.
Thanks.
You totally can talk and surf at the same time, I did it today and was surprised to see it worked very well.
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I have been looking all over about this. I have the Thunderbolt but not happy with the HTC poor quality phone, and random reboots once in a blue.
So I am thinking in getting the Bionic.
Thanks.
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*Only* on 4G. 3G simultaneous voice/data is not supported.
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*Only* on 4G. 3G simultaneous voice/data is not supported.
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Really? That's interesting... my Thunderbolt does voice & data on LTE or EVDO. From what I was told by my Verizon Business Data Specialist, it's actually not a limitation of the Verizon Network, it has to do with the antenna in the phone (which is strange, you would think they would have enabled it long ago on 3G).
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Really? That's interesting... my Thunderbolt does voice & data on LTE or EVDO. From what I was told by my Verizon Business Data Specialist, it's actually not a limitation of the Verizon Network, it has to do with the antenna in the phone (which is strange, you would think they would have enabled it long ago on 3G).
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I believe the thunderbolt has a separate "2g" radio and antenna that it can make voice calls on while using the 3g or 4g for data.
I'm not sure if the bionic is the same.
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I believe the thunderbolt has a separate "2g" radio and antenna that it can make voice calls on while using the 3g or 4g for data.
I'm not sure if the bionic is the same.
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This is true. The Thunderbolt doesn't actually do simultaneous 3G voice/data, it has voice over 1X on a different antenna, then data over 3G.
It is *most definitely* a limitation of the network, running EVDO Rev. A which doesn't support it. Rev. B does, but VZ decided to skip it and go straight to LTE.
Cool. Thanks everyone. This definitely makes me want to get it.
Share what your on tbolt, internet works when surfing and talking
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Share what your on tbolt, internet works when surfing and talking
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I think what you are asking "What data services work while you are talking on your Thunderbolt?" If so, everything that I have noticed... Email, Browser surfing, and SMS messaging. Not sure about Hotspot Tethering, but would have to assume it does.
To qualify my previous statement regarding simultaneous Voice and Data, I didn't mean to say that both Voice & Data were 3G and worked at the same time... What I meant to say was that while my Thunderbolt showed a 3G EvDo connection, I could talk and surf. If the voice is going over a 1X network, I wouldn't know because the voice quality was just as good as always. It is safe to say that voice doesn't require 3G EvDo connectivity to function well.
Furthermore, if they made separate antennas in the Tbolt that made this possible, then both Berzerker7 and I were correct... though there is a limitation on VZW 3G EvDo's network, if the phone manufacturer's had just made separate antennas, then there are a lot of phones that could have done Simultaneous Voice & Data.
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I just tested this myself and I am able to talk and surf at the same time with no problems but I was on 4g don't know what will happen when I am on 3g. Something else that I noticed what I think it is, is that voice is going over cdma and data is going over gsm. If you go to your dialpad and type this in *#*#4636#*#* and then go to phone information, you will see at the bottom it says gsm/cdma network auto. Here is where I found the code along with some other interesting info askvg.com/google-android-hidden-secret-codes Does anyone else have any info on this. Biggest question why isn't VZW advertising that you can talk and surf at the same time now...
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I just tested this myself and I am able to talk and surf at the same time with no problems but I was on 4g don't know what will happen when I am on 3g. Something else that I noticed what I think it is, is that voice is going over cdma and data is going over gsm. If you go to your dialpad and type this in *#*#4636#*#* and then go to phone information, you will see at the bottom it says gsm/cdma network auto. Here is where I found the code along with some other interesting info askvg.com/google-android-hidden-secret-codes Does anyone else have any info on this. Biggest question why isn't VZW advertising that you can talk and surf at the same time now...
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Does not work in 3G areas unfortunately... since my home is still 'out there'
Mark
If you get a call on 3G, the icon will disappear until your call is over. 4G only, not sure about wifi.
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If you get a call on 3G, the icon will disappear until your call is over. 4G only, not sure about wifi.
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If you're on wifi you can talk and surf, you've always been able to. That's not new.
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If you get a call on 3G, the icon will disappear until your call is over. 4G only, not sure about wifi.
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All android phones I have used allow simultaneous voice/data with a Wi-Fi connection.
The reason the Thunderbolt is the only LTE VZW phone that can do it, Qualcomm and HTC jumped through hoops to with the FCC to get them to allow the Thunderbolt. It has a total of 4 antennas and they do not exceed the legal limit imposed by the FCC. (This is probably an attribute, although not certain, of why the battery life sucks.) Therefore you can talk and surf on 3G and 4G. This antenna combo is not on any of the other LTE phones offered by VZW (They all are not HTCs the other ones), but i'm sure the next HTC 4G phone that comes out will be able to do it on 3G and 4G if it has the multiple antenna setup from Qualcomm.
One of the sources I've read, I can't find the one that I really liked though:
http://www.anandtech.com/Show/Index...erbolt-review-first-verizon-4g-lte-smartphone
On my m7 I was able to talk on the phone and continue to use my internet connection. I don't seem to have that functionality on this device. Every time a receive a phone call it drops LTE. I thought running on two simultaneous networks (CDMA + LTE) I could do both. Anyone experiencing the opposite? Did I mess something up? Or is that just how this particular device is? Any input would be deeply appreciated. Thanks.
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On my m7 I was able to talk on the phone and continue to use my internet connection. I don't seem to have that functionality on this device. Every time a receive a phone call it drops LTE. I thought running on two simultaneous networks (CDMA + LTE) I could do both. Anyone experiencing the opposite? Did I mess something up? Or is that just how this particular device is? Any input would be deeply appreciated. Thanks.
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well, lte is data only, calls cant go through lte. you need VoLTE to have voice over the lte network. and sprint doesnt offer volte, not yet at least. well, that or you need two radios in your device. the n6 only has one radio.
^This exactly. However, you can use WiFi, if available, and have the same functionality.
I completely understand what voice over LTE is and the fact that my phone uses CDMA for voice. My question was if my HTC one could use my LTE data and voice at the same time on the same network (even the same tower) why the heck can my n6 not do it? I'm actually disappointed with the lack of this functionality. I thought it was standard when sprint switched to LTE because it is essentially using two networks simultaneously.
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I completely understand what voice over LTE is and the fact that my phone uses CDMA for voice. My question was if my HTC one could use my LTE data and voice at the same time on the same network (even the same tower) why the heck can my n6 not do it? I'm actually disappointed with the lack of this functionality. I thought it was standard when sprint switched to LTE because it is essentially using two networks simultaneously.
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It sounds like you didn't read the memo when it came to spark enabled devices,let me explain. Since sprint is using spark (or for tech people, 800mhz, 1900mhz and 2.5ghz) the newer phones that are spark enable (our nexus 6 being one of them) in order to take advantage of the HD voice upgrade and higher speed data, everything basically goes through one channel instead of two (basically all the older lte enabled phones). So before you had a dedicated channel for lte and a dedicated channel for voice. Now when a voice call is initiated, it's all going through the one channel for HD voice (trust me, when you hear it, you'll know it) instead of being broken up into two. Referring to what you said, it's not a lack of functionality, just the way the phones work now until, like the other posters said, volte is enabled on sprint, which hopefully will be happening this year.
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Excellent. I didn't know that happened on spark. I knew it was triband and the data speed shows it. I was getting true 24mbps download speeds on msdn subscriber downloads. Thank you for the thorough explanation. Aren't we all giant nerds on XDA?