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Here is an interesting observation. I have noticed the signal strength (HTC Kaiser branded, with the ATT carrier), for the most part has been averaging 2 to 3 bars. While at a local ATT store, I noticed the Tilt, 2 display models, were both displaying 4 bars, while mine, (HTC) branded only gave 2 bars. Now add another customer that also had a branded HTC Kaiser, his displayed the same as mine. Yet both ATT Tilts were (4) bars. The rep. indicted that all the ATT Tilts have been tweaked!. I called HTC and they had no clue. Has anyone been aware of this difference?
more bars in more places...even if it's only imaginary.
is the radio software reporting as the same?
Kaiser signal strength seems OK
Signal strength can also depend on what cell your phone is locked onto at the time. If the nearest cell is busy, your phone could be switched to a less busy nearby cell and thereby show less bars. My own observations are that the Kaiser (I have HTC TyTN II) is every bit as good as my previous Dopod 810 (Trinity) and my friends dedicated LG phone. Signal strength is not an issue for me and I spend every weekend in a very marginal area.
Actually I have noticed the same. On my unbranded HTC Tytn II I also only get 2 bars when the band is set to Auto under phone settings. Selecting network type GSM thus forcing off 3G I can get back to 4 bars so maybe the radio rom for the At&T is better?
On my Tilt I've gone back and forth between the ATT and HTC ROMs and I do get about one bar better on the ATT ROM average.
Well thank you all for the posts. I tried switching the system from auto to GSM, and there you go......full 4 bars. Maybe the Auto 3G limits the signal strength.
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Well thank you all for the posts. I tried switching the system from auto to GSM, and there you go......full 4 bars. Maybe the Auto 3G limits the signal strength.
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3G doesn't have as good as coverage as GSM, and may even be coming from a different mast to your GSM signal. 3G normally uses higher frequencies that will not penetrate so far into buildings and is transmitted at a lower power.
It is quite common that you will have a lower 3G signal than you would on GSM.
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Phil
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Hi Thanks for all the posts. I went to settings and phone and cannot see where to change the auto to gsm. I have the new ATT tilt. Help I really need a better signal or I will have to take my wonderful new toy back
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Whether you have one or five bars is unimportant. What's important:
Are your calls getting to you or going out with acceptable consistency?
Are you getting the data connection and speeds you desire?
Are able to get the messages you want?
Are you getting the battery life you're looking for?
Answer those questions and then decide whether or not to take the phone back. If it's "yes" to all of the above, then you really don't care if it shows 1/2 a bar - it's meeting the needs you've got.
Signal Strength.
Most everything is great except: When I place or receive a call, most of the time we cannot communicate. Everything cuts out. It is frustrating for me and whomever I am speaking with. I would love to change the settings to GSM only, but I don't seem to have that option on my att tilt 8925.
Signal Strength Fixed AT&T Tilt
Signal Strength Fixed AT&T Tilt
http://www.commmgrpro.com/jsp/main_frame.jsf
switch to Bandswitch tab from CommMgrPRO
download bandswitch zip file unzip should give you cab file.
install it in your TILT, run the program, change AUTO TO GSM
i used to have 2 bars NOW I HAVE 4 FULL BARS
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
jimzeeem said:
Signal Strength Fixed AT&T Tilt
http://www.commmgrpro.com/jsp/main_frame.jsf
switch to Bandswitch tab from CommMgrPRO
download bandswitch zip file unzip should give you cab file.
install it in your TILT, run the program, change AUTO TO GSM
i used to have 2 bars NOW I HAVE 4 FULL BARS
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
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Hi:
Sorry if this is a dumb question, but does this also disable 3G/hsdpa?
Thanks and MERRY CHRISTMAS to you too
fredm said:
Here is an interesting observation. I have noticed the signal strength (HTC Kaiser branded, with the ATT carrier), for the most part has been averaging 2 to 3 bars. While at a local ATT store, I noticed the Tilt, 2 display models, were both displaying 4 bars, while mine, (HTC) branded only gave 2 bars. Now add another customer that also had a branded HTC Kaiser, his displayed the same as mine. Yet both ATT Tilts were (4) bars. The rep. indicted that all the ATT Tilts have been tweaked!. I called HTC and they had no clue. Has anyone been aware of this difference?
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yep i have htc kaiser, same probelm, tried o2 simcard 2 bars same with 3g.Rang htc helpdesk they dont have a clue.many user generally one the net has this probelm.dont know what the fix is.
debu11 said:
yep i have htc kaiser, same probelm, tried o2 simcard 2 bars same with 3g.Rang htc helpdesk they dont have a clue.many user generally one the net has this probelm.dont know what the fix is.
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I too have tried 2 different SIM cards. I have also tried turning off 3G. Motorola V3xx shows 4 bars of service, while the Tilt (sitting in the same exact spot, at the same time), shows at most 2 bars, and sometimes even 0 bars.
My Treo 750 also always shows at least 2 bars, when the Tilt goes down to zero.
Very frustrating
cincy1020 said:
Hi:
Sorry if this is a dumb question, but does this also disable 3G/hsdpa?
Thanks and MERRY CHRISTMAS to you too
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I installed this, and before i had it i aways got hspda, now w/it intstalled i only get 3g, i still have hspda enabled via kaiser tweak, but it doesn't show up, i'm in a hspda city(st. louis) i've had it for about a month or so now and cant get it w/this program installed, any fix for this? on the upside i do get more signal strength w/it. I"m using att tilt w/the tilt rom.
tag for increasing signal strength program
In the Kaiser Upgrading forum I added my two cents about this in the Radios thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1783489&postcount=96
It's been my experience that 3G/HSDPA has much better throughput than EDGE at a lower signal strength. "2 bars" of 3G reception still beats even "4 bars" of EVDO/EDGE.
Of course, if you want I could tweak the radio .dll to report 4 bars if it will make you feel better -- It's still 2 bars of 3G though. To use a much less flattering analogy it's the equivalent of me peeing on your back and telling you it's raining.
rob.ocelot said:
In the Kaiser Upgrading forum I added my two cents about this in the Radios thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1783489&postcount=96
It's been my experience that 3G/HSDPA has much better throughput than EDGE at a lower signal strength. "2 bars" of 3G reception still beats even "4 bars" of EVDO/EDGE.
Of course, if you want I could tweak the radio .dll to report 4 bars if it will make you feel better -- It's still 2 bars of 3G though. To use a much less flattering analogy it's the equivalent of me peeing on your back and telling you it's raining.
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I think the actual problem isn't that not enough bars are shown, I think the problem (at least for me) is terrible reception. At times, my phone goes down to zero bars, and sends all calls to voicemail. During this exact time, I can have a Moto V3xx and a Treo 750 sitting right next to the Tilt, and both will have at least 2 bars, and good call quality.
PS: My reception seems about the same with 3G on or off. Although I have seen many reports of 3G interfering with reception (ie. when it switches over), in my case turning 3G off completely hasn't helped at all.
HTC Kaiser/TytnII/Tilt Reception sucks!
I had an Mpx220 up until October 2007, which is when I purchased the AT&T Tilt. The VOICE reception on this phone is terrible! I get very low reception at home when I used to get full reception on my Mpx220 before! Also, whenever I'm on the speakerphone, the person on the other line has trouble hearing me. I called AT&T and had them exchange my bad phone. Once I got the new phone... THE SAME PROBLEMS!!!! I went back to my Mpx220 and the reception was wonderful on my Mpx! What's up with the Tilt? Also, the camera has a high resolution, but it takes about 5-6 seconds to take the picture once the button is pressed. Oh, and whenever I lose reception/signal completely and go back to an area where there is good signal, the phone will take FOREVER to recognize it's on a new signal area! Sometimes it doesn't even recognize this and I have to restart the phone. It sucks! This phone, so far, has been good in EVERYTHING except as a phone!!! BEWARE!
My phone(XV6900 Verizon) recently decided it wanted nothing to do with 3G towers or connections. It also started burning through batteries twice as fast. The radio seems to be malfunctioning, 3G will show every once in a while....but just for a moment before it switched back to 1X or E. This all started randomly while running Myn's rls 5. Although it is pervasive and I get the exact same results even after flashing back to stock Verizon ROM and upgrading to 3.77.78 radio from 3.77.77 I was running. I have driven from Washington D.C. to Florida while streaming Pandora and never lost 3G signal. My town is fully covered and my house never used to have anything less than 3 bars of 3G signal.
What could be causing this sudden refusal to work with 3G?? I've been trying everything I could think of for a few weeks now. All sorts of flashing of ROMs and all have the same problem. Here's to hoping you guys have some insight....
I am near the DC area and have found that lately (past couple of weeks) I get more dead spots and/or Extended area coverage than I used to. My buddy that I carpool with has an Incredible and his overall coverage problems are not much better than mine (he just switched from an Eris, which also had these issues lately). That battery drain may most likely be from searching for 3G signal. I also recently drove from this area to southern VA and back using Pandora without problem. Hate to say it may be just Verizon mucking things up around here.
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I am near the DC area and have found that lately (past couple of weeks) I get more dead spots and/or Extended area coverage than I used to. My buddy that I carpool with has an Incredible and his overall coverage problems are not much better than mine (he just switched from an Eris, which also had these issues lately). That battery drain may most likely be from searching for 3G signal. I also recently drove from this area to southern VA and back using Pandora without problem. Hate to say it may be just Verizon mucking things up around here.
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My 3G isn't spotty, it's non-existent. When the phone finds a 3G tower and I force a data connection it will try and fail. Then it will eventually make a 1X connection.
I've had this problem with my Nexus One for as long as I could remember, but kinda ignored it - thought perhaps a new radio would fix it, or a new ROM...
But no, it still bugs me.
Basically, if the phone is on 'normal' 3G, I cannot receive any data. It just gets no connection. If I have HSDPA, or GPRS or EDGE - it all works fine.
But 3G? Nothing. And its EVERY time.
Travelling on the train every day, HSDPA isn't stable, so it often drops to 3G, but then it drops dead. I have to restrict the phone to 2G if I want to check things reliably.
I've tried every radio from every country from the original to the latest 5.12 leak.. yes, speeds increase, HSDPA engages more often, but as soon as I'm on normal 3G: Dead.
And I've tried all ROMs (original, MCR, Cyanogen, Desire, MIUI) - same.
Any build.prop tweaks I could find... same.
Now, I remember talks about this when the Nexus came out originally - but there doesn't seem to be any threads about it now, so do I just have a faulty Nexus One that I've put up with since Christmas last year?
Or have I missed something blatantly obvious that every else did to fix this problem?
Any help gratefully received
Pardon my grammar and spelling I'm typing from my phone without swype and its annoying. I had a similar problem. When on 3g I'd miss calls texts, etc...I had my boss call in my face and my phone didn't ring. It got so frustrating I turned off 3g for several months. Too make a long story short ....all those 3g problems went away when I 2.2 came out on xda I put a new radio and rom on. I can't tell u if it was the radio, 2.2, or if tmo had simply added new towers or improved signals from tmobile.
I'd call tmo see how your area looks and if there's any new towers.
I've been on 2.2.1, and 2.1, 2.2, and used all the radios that have been released.
All the same.
I'm in the UK and on Orange, and I have spoken, well, tried to speak to my network about it a couple of times, saying the fact that I've had this issue in the past with my HTC Hero, and I've tried every software update, radio, etc, but because the Nexus One isn't an Orange handset they blame that, Android, or the signal in my area. Yet, I can't believe its just 'Android', and it can't be all signal where-ever I go, so perhaps my phone does have a fault? I don't know!!
The common denominator between this and my Hero is the SIM card.. but convincing them the SIM is faulty is nigh impossible. I'm receiving calls and texts on 3G, and get data all the other times, so it can't be... can it?
Argh, as you can see, this is slowly driving me mad..!!!
Yours sound worst than mine. I used to have very reliable 3G data until upto mid October. After that period, there were numerous reports of Orange UK users struggling with data blaming (with high possibility) on merge plan with T-Mobile.
I tried SIM with my Hero and Nokia N82. All 3 phones suffer the same poor 3G connection and in places I spend my time mostly, all struggle to get any form of internet. Few months back on same places, all my mates were impressed by Orange's coverage.
Yesterday, out of nowhere I received a sms from Orange confirming that merged plan went well and customers are to benefit from all cell towers of both network. Couldn't stop smiling then tried to access XDA on N1's browser. Safeguard was ON and access denied. Tried to open few more, all same. Frustrated almost dialed 150 but couple hours later, all started as normal with H signal. No interruptions, no waitings and no error msg. Tested for almost 8 hours. Though still to confirm the reliability.
One more thing I noticed is that before I was using WM's AVS kernel. Almost always once in every 4 attempts, a msg would pop up on error connecting. Changed to SVS kernel and msg still would appear but very very rare. BTW, on latest Nightly.
Coming to end with orange contract and if problem continues, I'm moving to O2.
Try your SIM on other phones to see whether it's the issue with N1.
I might have the same problem. but this just came up 2 nights ago. while connected on data network, all is fine until it drops to 3G, app (opera mini) freezes and you will have to force close. restricted my network to 2G and all was fine. then a while ago i enabled again on 3G and all was fine again.
is this a sign that i may get your same problem soon?
I already posted about this problem but then I thought it was due to sleep mode.
So I still have signal problems with my One.
I saw that I had only one or two bars for the signal where I had a lot better reception with other phones.
I already put my sim card into a Galaxy S3 and a Galaxy Y, both of them have a far better reception than the One (4 to 5 bars).
My phone was already sent back for repair three times, they already swapped my motherboard two times, but it does not help.
The last time I got a bit angry in the shop so they took my phone in to test it out.
After four days they said they had no signal problems.
Last resort, another swap of the sim card card but now the signal is even worse.
I did notice when rebooting the phone it starts of with five bars and after two minutes or so it goes down to one or two.
When making a call with one bar it goes up when calling to four or five, some time after the call it goes down to one or two.
I already installed signal Guard Pro to check for effective signal loss and I had quite a lot durng the day as during the night.
I got the name of the customer service manager for the Benelux and France (Aernout Arends) but I do not have any contact information of this man apart from his linkedin.
So I sent him a Linked In invitation. If he responds I can ask him about this phenomenon.
Before the One I had a Sensation XE which I was very pleased with, since running on the One this problems started after a couple of months and since then it keeps on going.
I'd like to solve this since it was an expensive phone, apart from the signal loss I'm still very pleased with it but in the end a phone is used for calling and with a bad signal this is compromised.
I hope anyone out there can help me (or somebody at HTC), if not I need to buy another phone and I think I cannot sell this one since it isn't working properly.
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I already posted about this problem but then I thought it was due to sleep mode.
So I still have signal problems with my One.
I saw that I had only one or two bars for the signal where I had a lot better reception with other phones.
I already put my sim card into a Galaxy S3 and a Galaxy Y, both of them have a far better reception than the One (4 to 5 bars).
My phone was already sent back for repair three times, they already swapped my motherboard two times, but it does not help.
The last time I got a bit angry in the shop so they took my phone in to test it out.
After four days they said they had no signal problems.
Last resort, another swap of the sim card card but now the signal is even worse.
I did notice when rebooting the phone it starts of with five bars and after two minutes or so it goes down to one or two.
When making a call with one bar it goes up when calling to four or five, some time after the call it goes down to one or two.
I already installed signal Guard Pro to check for effective signal loss and I had quite a lot durng the day as during the night.
I got the name of the customer service manager for the Benelux and France (Aernout Arends) but I do not have any contact information of this man apart from his linkedin.
So I sent him a Linked In invitation. If he responds I can ask him about this phenomenon.
Before the One I had a Sensation XE which I was very pleased with, since running on the One this problems started after a couple of months and since then it keeps on going.
I'd like to solve this since it was an expensive phone, apart from the signal loss I'm still very pleased with it but in the end a phone is used for calling and with a bad signal this is compromised.
I hope anyone out there can help me (or somebody at HTC), if not I need to buy another phone and I think I cannot sell this one since it isn't working properly.
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is it switching networks (3g/4g LTE)? voice can't use LTE 4g, so it will drop back to 3g for calls and then go back to LTE 4g once the call is done.
signal bars are a really poor way to understand your signal strength. there are some apps that help (network signal info for example) which show your strength in a more efficient manner, as well as what network type you're connected to.
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is it switching networks (3g/4g LTE)? voice can't use LTE 4g, so it will drop back to 3g for calls and then go back to LTE 4g once the call is done.
signal bars are a really poor way to understand your signal strength. there are some apps that help (network signal info for example) which show your strength in a more efficient manner, as well as what network type you're connected to.
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I turned 3G/4D off, I only turn it on when necessary, so that won't be the cause.
I installed network signal info right now and when I have one bar signal, this app gives me -102 db to -105db and it's over haf of its bars here, this info seems to look like mi signal is a lot better than the one bar I got.
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I turned 3G/4D off, I only turn it on when necessary, so that won't be the cause.
I installed network signal info right now and when I have one bar signal, this app gives me -102 db to -105db and it's over haf of its bars here, this info seems to look like mi signal is a lot better than the one bar I got.
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you can set a value in your build prop that is specific to signal 'adjustments' from your particular provider. might then give you more realistic values along the lines of the Network Signal Info app.
I'm sorry I can't direct you to the link as I don't have it bookmarked.
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found it: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2594804
Hello.
I bought my phone just 3 days ago together with my gf.
She bought the exact same phone and same carrier as me on the same shop..
Around here we are supposed to have good 3g signals all over, but not inside our house, there we can only use GSM.
Her phone works perfectly, with 3-4 bars gsm signals inside house.
But i get nothing when entering house. NO bars what so ever, (even if i pick GSM ONLY from settings).
I got to service menu and read "0 db" on signal.
I tried everything, Clean sim, restart phone, factory settings, changing GSM/3g/4g priority etc, and even tried MY sim in HER phone.
Its defo a hardware/software issue on my phone.
My experiences from 3g and 4g with this phone is that 4g seem stable and good, while 3g (outside my house) seem to often go from max to none all the time. jumps up and down
and sometimes leave me with no signal for 5 minutes until they are back.
I contacted the carrier to check and everything seems fine over there.
Any suggestion? Could it be really possible that i got a faulty antenna? if im going with my phone to the store for a replace they would probably not belive me or take my reason for real
EDIT: Have to add that the past 12 hours of constant trying to figure out the problem i had a few cases with signals while i was trying to switch to "gsm only" but they lasted for 5 seconds and were gone again.
Had the same, send mine back, saw in the log of the repair department that you refreshed the software. But will check
if they have changed something. Comes back in a few days from now.